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:::It really isn't though, that may be an instance, but I am talking more about the broader concept. It isn't really [[WP:YOULOSE]] because I'm not complaining about any instance of situation in which consensus was against me. Just annoyed that a lot of editors seem to either not know the policies, not care about what they are, or interpret them vastly differently than I do. Big time sink to have to explain what should be basic NPOV policy. -[[User:Obsidi|Obsidi]] ([[User talk:Obsidi|talk]]) 02:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC) |
:::It really isn't though, that may be an instance, but I am talking more about the broader concept. It isn't really [[WP:YOULOSE]] because I'm not complaining about any instance of situation in which consensus was against me. Just annoyed that a lot of editors seem to either not know the policies, not care about what they are, or interpret them vastly differently than I do. Big time sink to have to explain what should be basic NPOV policy. -[[User:Obsidi|Obsidi]] ([[User talk:Obsidi|talk]]) 02:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC) |
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::::Hum... Maybe some kind of addition to [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ]] or an essay on the subject is in order. At least then I could just refer them to that and not have to repeat myself. -[[User:Obsidi|Obsidi]] ([[User talk:Obsidi|talk]]) 02:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC) |
::::Hum... Maybe some kind of addition to [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ]] or an essay on the subject is in order. At least then I could just refer them to that and not have to repeat myself. -[[User:Obsidi|Obsidi]] ([[User talk:Obsidi|talk]]) 02:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::I think you've missed the point of FRINGE. A [https://theconversation.com/how-many-people-actually-believe-in-astrology-71192 similar proportion] of population believes in horoscopes, and many RS do nothing to discourage this belief and even publish them, yet this all shouldn't preclude us from qualifying astrology in Wikipedia articles as anything but absolute bunk. FRINGE exists to veto such numbers-based validation of statements and theories. '''[[User:Daß Wölf|<span style="color: #da0000">Daß</span>]]<small> </small>[[User talk:Daß Wölf|<span style="color: #0044c3">Wölf</span>]]''' 02:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC) |
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Comparison of storm sizes
Jimbo, in the U.S. some news reporters now are comparing storm strength by hurricane-force area, rather than by windspeed of Category 1-5. In future Wikipedia coverage of storms, perhaps a page could show size diagrams, such as the rough circle diagrams shown at right (+sources). Another issue, when comparing storm severity, could be the population density, where the risk could be compared by impact on urban centers, such as the power failures where more buildings were connected to the regional power grid. Because 2018 Hurricane Michael made the Florida landfall west of the large wooded Apalachicola National Forest (see: roadmap), there were fewer homes in the region, although the broken tree limbs blocked hundreds of streets for a few days. In fact, within 5 days, most of the electric service was restored among about one million power outages, leaving "only" 180,000 without power on Monday night (15 Oct 2018) in the U.S. states of Florida and Georgia. See the live power-failure maps:
- Poweroutage.us Florida map (*live*)
- Poweroutage.us Georgia map (*live*)
Meanwhile, WP storm pages continue to compare storms by Category level, as if 15 years ago, such as calling the small Hurricane Michael as more "intense" than the gigantic Hurricane Ike (2008) in Texas, which is a sharp reversal of the reality of Ike covering 31 million acres (πr2 × 640 acres per sqmi) as it moved north across Galveston and Houston in 2008, with a storm surge of almost 25 feet (7.6 m).
Another risk of large hurricanes is time to evacuate the region, as extra hours to travel farther beyond the hurricane-force area. People who are unaware how they could out-run a small hurricane, within an extra hour, might be doomed to remain behind as deceived to stay for fear of no time to run from a "more intense" storm, which was actually 8x more tiny than feared (1252÷452). Hence, evacuees could drive either west or east to escape. Put this in a math class, as how simple arithmetic could save a life. Anyway, the good news is more reporters are comparing storms by size, to publish as wp:RS reliable sources. We are able now to tell readers tactics to survive hurricanes. -Wikid77 (talk) 04:35, fix typo 04:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the details. Wikipedia has a great opportunity to provide interesting and useful historical details about the storms which TV watchers never get. There's an expression, "the devil's in the details" but I'd say, "the most important/useful facts/information are in the details." Nocturnalnow (talk) 14:08, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- Graphed Hurricane Irma: Among the hurricane circle-graphs (above), I have added 2017 Hurricane Irma as it passed near Naples, Florida, last year, on September 10, 2017 at 110 mph (180 km/h) (+NHC source). The larger core size of Irma, as compared to the half-size smaller Hurricane Michael, could help explain why some people imagined there was no time to evacuate from the smaller storm, while remembering larger recent hurricanes such as Irma. Incidentally, 2005 Hurricane Katrina at Mississippi landfall would graph similar to 2008 Hurricane Ike (large orange circle above). More later. -Wikid77 (talk) 04:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Teamwork Barnstar | |
I just think you deserve a Teamwork Barnstar, nothing else. Calin LCC (talk) 19:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC) |
Sometimes it makes me want to scream how many people seem so mistaken as to NPOV policy when it comes to what is WP:FRINGE. When we have a poll saying as high as 74% of the population believe something is true (including hundreds of very prominent people), you would think this would be an easy case. This is but one instance, sadly it isn't an isolated one. It seems like a lot of people treat WP:FRINGE as "If I think it is reasonable point of view then it is not fringe," but if "I don't believe it to be true at all it is therefore fringe." It really shouldn't matter what any WP editor thinks of the topic, it should be purely based on how many people hold this view. Also, another variant you see on questions of fact often on WP is "How does a majority of RS handle this fact? We must have the article follow the RS in expressing this like the RS do." I mean really? If ANY RS expresses a contrary view, this should be a red light that this is opinion and not fact and we shouldn't be following how most of the RS express it. Sadly that seems to escape a lot of editors. Makes me sad, but thank you for being here for me to vent to. -Obsidi (talk) 00:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- A vague jeremiad on this page with no links to actual discussions... see WP:YOULOSE. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- The context is at Talk:Deep_state_in_the_United_States#Requested_move_16_October_2018. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- It really isn't though, that may be an instance, but I am talking more about the broader concept. It isn't really WP:YOULOSE because I'm not complaining about any instance of situation in which consensus was against me. Just annoyed that a lot of editors seem to either not know the policies, not care about what they are, or interpret them vastly differently than I do. Big time sink to have to explain what should be basic NPOV policy. -Obsidi (talk) 02:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hum... Maybe some kind of addition to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ or an essay on the subject is in order. At least then I could just refer them to that and not have to repeat myself. -Obsidi (talk) 02:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- I think you've missed the point of FRINGE. A similar proportion of population believes in horoscopes, and many RS do nothing to discourage this belief and even publish them, yet this all shouldn't preclude us from qualifying astrology in Wikipedia articles as anything but absolute bunk. FRINGE exists to veto such numbers-based validation of statements and theories. Daß Wölf 02:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Hum... Maybe some kind of addition to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ or an essay on the subject is in order. At least then I could just refer them to that and not have to repeat myself. -Obsidi (talk) 02:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- It really isn't though, that may be an instance, but I am talking more about the broader concept. It isn't really WP:YOULOSE because I'm not complaining about any instance of situation in which consensus was against me. Just annoyed that a lot of editors seem to either not know the policies, not care about what they are, or interpret them vastly differently than I do. Big time sink to have to explain what should be basic NPOV policy. -Obsidi (talk) 02:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- The context is at Talk:Deep_state_in_the_United_States#Requested_move_16_October_2018. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)