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As one editor put it "The only new users willing to commit themselves to the extra effort will be the determined, ideological POV-pushers". That is exactly what will happen. Given that new visitors or not paid or compelled to contribute if they bother to create an account they should at least be able to have the chance to contribute what they want and be given a chance immediately to prove their worth.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 13:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC) |
As one editor put it "The only new users willing to commit themselves to the extra effort will be the determined, ideological POV-pushers". That is exactly what will happen. Given that new visitors or not paid or compelled to contribute if they bother to create an account they should at least be able to have the chance to contribute what they want and be given a chance immediately to prove their worth.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#000">Dr. Blofeld</span>]] 13:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:My opinion is that I can't possibly have an opinion without empirical evidence. I think the community should send strong signals to the Foundation that we want them to test things, and that not every little change to Wikipedia requires a massive referendum, and that *especially* we have to let go of a culture that allows a tiny minority of people to block progressive change.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 21:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Indifference kills the cat?
Mr Wales. There's a small problem being discussed here. Have a look, if you have the time. I think it is an instructive illustration of apparent indifference to a difficulty being reported, and the almost fetishistic focus on interpretation of rules instead. I would imagine the problem itself could be resolved easily if someone with a command of Japanese could take a look. It seems to me to be an example of the kind of impersonal lack of care or regard for fellow Wikipedia users that may be a root causes for the much discussed declining editor numbers, for bad administrator reputations, and for a possibly corresponding rise in disrespect for Wikipedia codes of practice and conduct in general. regards — Peter S Strempel | Talk 12:14, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't really call it indifference, but I'd like to commend you. Your answer is likely to be the most helpful to the person asking, who wasn't really seeking a lecture on free licensing.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Better not be my cat Mr. Bigglesworth or there'll be trapdoor and piranha tank trouble in store..♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on this Jimmy? I think its a dreadful proposal and would do absolutely nothing to change the quality of new content. The obvious vandalism, attacks and non notable spam is almost always speedied anyway. I fear it would turn a massive number of people away from wanting to contribute to wikipedia. You certainly can't assess one editors abilities in 4 days and 10 edits.
As one editor put it "The only new users willing to commit themselves to the extra effort will be the determined, ideological POV-pushers". That is exactly what will happen. Given that new visitors or not paid or compelled to contribute if they bother to create an account they should at least be able to have the chance to contribute what they want and be given a chance immediately to prove their worth.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- My opinion is that I can't possibly have an opinion without empirical evidence. I think the community should send strong signals to the Foundation that we want them to test things, and that not every little change to Wikipedia requires a massive referendum, and that *especially* we have to let go of a culture that allows a tiny minority of people to block progressive change.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Feature idea
I don't know where the best place is to discuss features on-wiki before taking them to developers, so I'll put this here and figure someone will tell me where it should go.
This edit is minor vandalism of an article that I have on my watchlist. I corrected the vandalism today after an anon made a correction of some of it.
The vandalism was minor, but obvious. I would have caught it, had I seen it. However, on January 26th, the day of the vandalism, I did not edit Wikipedia.
A nice feature would be for edits to articles that I am watching to be on my watchlist (or a particular 'view' of my watchlist) until I view/accept them. An enhancement to that feature would be for me to be able to add some 'trusted editors' to the list, so that any edit or acceptance by them would remove them from my watchlist.
What I want to see on my watchlist are "edits by users I haven't explicitly trusted, to articles that I am watching, that I have not yet approved". The list should be sorted "oldest first" so that I can constantly work at any backlog. (Alternatively, the list could be sorted by some slightly clever algorithm for importance as measured by the age of the edit, the popularity of the page, how frequently I have edited the page myself, etc.)
With this feature, I might not have caught the vandalism on the 26th of January, but I would surely have caught it some time soon after.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 19:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- This would be awesome. I would love such a feature. The ability to "dismiss" an edit from my watchlist after I've looked at it would make checking the watchlist so much more efficient. 28bytes (talk) 19:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. With 4,400 pages on my watchlist, this would help me focus. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- Two issues here: a) flagging and b) scoring. The flagging issue could be a bit messy if done manually, since it would mean marking potentially thousands of diffs as read. But a simpler mechanism could just keep the entry highlighted until it's been loaded in the watchlist (but not reviewed), or move them to a 'missed' section (say for 7 days). As for scoring, why not have WP:CBNG or WP:STiki score watchlist edits for vandalism-likeliness the same way they do in their bot/review interface. That kind of data would be useful to all of us, and as they get better at scoring edits, we should try to integrate that data in more places. I wonder if User:Cobi or User:West.andrew.g or User:UncleDouggie has any ideas. Ocaasi c 20:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Article author lists
I think the “author list” at the end of an article should distinguish between who actually wrote the article, and who edited, patrolled, and goofed around with the article. This could be partially automated if the boxes to click were more specific on the type of edit being done, so that only actual authors and editors are encouraged. Also, I think the “how to” directions should not be a part of a selective scheme, because the public ought to be well-treated here. The directions should not say things like “go for it” and “have a blast editing” and “get them vandals.” As far as quality of the articles is concerned, I find any article with more than ten edits to be a madhouse.--Rhbsihvi (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean. Where can I see this? Also, all the evidence I have seen is that articles improve with edit count (as a general rule, not as a certainty of course), so the idea that articles with more than 10 edits are "a madhouse" doesn't really make sense to me. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)