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::For me the important thing is the content of Wikipedia - that it be neutral and high quality across all languages, including the languages of the countries directly involved. Whether we should engage in some symbolic gestures is an important question, and an interesting one, and I'll stay out of it. But the most powerful tool we have is to speak the plain truth of verifiable facts.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 17:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
::For me the important thing is the content of Wikipedia - that it be neutral and high quality across all languages, including the languages of the countries directly involved. Whether we should engage in some symbolic gestures is an important question, and an interesting one, and I'll stay out of it. But the most powerful tool we have is to speak the plain truth of verifiable facts.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 17:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Alright sounds good. The discussion is closed per [[WP:SNOW]] now anyways. I myself would certainly not mind if Wikipedia had changed its logo temporarily, however I knew that there would also be issues of making it seem like Wikipedia isn't truly neutral (which is indeed a concern that was mentioned in the oppose votes). ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545</sub> 19:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
:::Alright sounds good. The discussion is closed per [[WP:SNOW]] now anyways. I myself would certainly not mind if Wikipedia had changed its logo temporarily, however I knew that there would also be issues of making it seem like Wikipedia isn't truly neutral (which is indeed a concern that was mentioned in the oppose votes). ― [[User:Blaze Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545</sub> 19:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== From local to global, elements of context for the current Russian invasion of Ukraine - let us vibrate our humanism together and shake the world! == |
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Issue regarding the Taraškievica Belarusian Wikipedia (be-tarask)
Hey there! Thought I'd message you about some concerns of mine regarding the lack of neutrality on the be-tarask Wikipedia, and hopefully some other members of the community who know a bit more might weigh in on the issue. I ought to preface this with the fact I know the situation is politically volatile (especially given recent events), that I am in no way an expert in the subject area, and that my only desire is to seek neutrality on Wikipedia in all languages, however ambitious a goal this may seem at times.
Currently, its article on Alexander Lukashenko says in part:
- Alexander Lukashenko ... is the head of the Russian occupation administration, a puppet, pro-Russian, authoritarian leader of Belarus who holds power by rigging elections and terrorizing Belarusians with financial, military, and informational support from Russia. ... On April 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin mentioned Belarus in the context of an alleged FSB attempt to overthrow the Lukashenko regime as a Russian-controlled territory in which Russia would determine what was a coup and what was not.
(At least, according to Google Translate). A similar descriptor is given on the "Lukashenko regime" article (which also exists in Ukrainian, but seems to use more neutral language).
There also appears to be a "Russian occupation of Belarus" article (does not exist in any other language, including standard Belarusian), which says:
- The Russian occupation of Belarus is the de facto Russian occupation of Belarus, an open demonstration of which took place on February 24, 2022, when the Russian invasion of Ukraine took place, including from the territory of Belarus. The Russian occupation administration is a puppet regime of Lukashenko, its head is the proclaimed "president" Alexander Lukashenko. One of the main measures taken by the Russian authorities (the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation) and its occupation administrations at different times is the continuous violent Russification of Belarusians. The term "Russian occupation of Belarus" first appeared in the autumn of 1917.
This seems to be promoting false histories and original research: Lukashenko is pro-Russian and authoritarian, but it is not an "occupation" regime in the conventional sense (at least, this doesn't seem to be how RS refer to the country/leadership). The link to 1917 and Russification also appear novel.
These are just two that caught my eye. I don't know whether this is new information, i.e. are there known issues with that site? (Taraškievica is a standard for the Belarusian language which is usually used by the diaspora, so it's not inconceivable that it is likely to attract anti-regime editors). If so, is this limited to a few articles or a more ingrained issue of ideological bias on the Taraškievica wiki in a similar vein to the Croatian Wikipedia situation? —AFreshStart (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Interesting article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Very interesting indeed. As mentioned on the talk page of 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, apparently Roskomnadzor has threatened to ban Wikipedia due to the Russian Wikipedia article on the conflict (via zona.media, in Russian). How this effects editing on ruwiki in the future? Who knows. —AFreshStart (talk) 20:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- I hope that it doesn't affect it at all. That is to say, I recommend warmly to the Russian (and Ukranian) Wikipedians to be brave and be neutral - this is the most powerful way you can support the cause of justice and peace. In the Slate article, I see this quote from someone: "This is Russian Wikipedia and we must interpret events from a Russian point of view". I disagree and reject that view most strongly. This is all - all languages - Wikipedia, human Wikipedia, and we must interpret events from a human point of view.
- Of course that is often difficult, particularly in emotional contexts. But it is what Wikipedians know best how to do, and are best placed to do. It is our solemn role in the world to speak the plain truth about verifiable facts - and this will, I believe, be 10,000 times more powerful in the world than joining the ranks of bias and "information warfare".--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:34, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- In reading that article I got a feeling of that same common error: The Russian Wikipedia is a Wikipedia written in the Russian language, it is not a Wikipedia about or of the country of Russia - anymore than the English Wikipedia is a Wikipedia about or for England. — xaosflux Talk 17:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Changing Logo to support Ukraine
Hello Jimbo! On a similar topic to the above (Though not entirely related), Doc James has proposed Wikipedia change its logo to support Ukraine. I myself have stated that I am on the fence about this, however I'm notifying you since this seems like something you should be involved in or at least know about. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 23:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Remaining neutral by reporting the first draft of history in the making without expressing opinions about the events doesn't give Putin an easy excuse to shut down the Russian Wikipedia inside Russia. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- I am thinking and observing. I do not think this is the sort of issue where my leadership is required or needed. It would be unusual; these are unusual times.
- For me the important thing is the content of Wikipedia - that it be neutral and high quality across all languages, including the languages of the countries directly involved. Whether we should engage in some symbolic gestures is an important question, and an interesting one, and I'll stay out of it. But the most powerful tool we have is to speak the plain truth of verifiable facts.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Alright sounds good. The discussion is closed per WP:SNOW now anyways. I myself would certainly not mind if Wikipedia had changed its logo temporarily, however I knew that there would also be issues of making it seem like Wikipedia isn't truly neutral (which is indeed a concern that was mentioned in the oppose votes). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
From local to global, elements of context for the current Russian invasion of Ukraine - let us vibrate our humanism together and shake the world!
Bump, facing adversity, need support
Portal:Go_and_see,_my_love User:Maxorazon/sandbox/goandseemylove Maxorazon (talk) 08:52, 4 March 2022 (UTC)