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: Were these death threats directed at you, or were they ''your own'' well-known comments about fire? Because I'm with "incredibly sleazy" as a description of your behaviour here, re Peter Damian. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 00:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC) |
: Were these death threats directed at you, or were they ''your own'' well-known comments about fire? Because I'm with "incredibly sleazy" as a description of your behaviour here, re Peter Damian. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 00:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC) |
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::: Joking about setting people on fire has a cost. Part of that cost is that you lose the ability to ever again generate sympathy for receiving internet death threats. Live with it. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 00:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC) |
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Article: Alan Briskin
HI user:Ironholds. I've been working on this article to expand the content and make it less promotional. I think you had placed an alert on it because the content came across as overly promotional. I wondered if you would mind having a look now and seeing if you think it reads better. If there are aspects where you feel it still needs to be changed please do let me know. Thanks in advanceFbell74 (talk) 04:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Fbell74: thanks; much improved. The only additional thought I have is that it would be good to change "Briskin's published books, including The Stirring of Soul in the Workplace and The Power of Collective Wisdom, explore the role of meaning, purpose, and collective wisdom in the pursuit of socially responsible and life affirming work settings." to make it sound more neutral, and to rephrase the organisational theory section to make clear that this is Briskin's view, and not a statement of fact. Ironholds (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks @Ironholds: That's very helpful. I think you're right about changing the wording. I've rephrased as 'Briskin's published books, including The Stirring of Soul in the Workplace and The Power of Collective Wisdom, explore the role of meaning, purpose, and collective wisdom in the work environment.' In the Organizational theory section I've added in 'He has proposed' and 'In his view' to make it clear that these are views rather than facts. Fbell74 (talk) 02:40, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Incomplete DYK nomination
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Barnstar problem
I don't wanna brag about my awards but for some unknown to me reason at least a half of them just disappeared from my top row of my userpage. I checked for vandalism, but didn't find any missing yet the top row is half full. Can you see what went wrong? Thanks.--Mishae (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Next meetups in North England
Hello. Would you be interested in attending one of the next wikimeets in the north of England? They will take place in:
- Leeds on 12th April 2015
- Manchester on 26th April 2015
- Liverpool on 24th May 2015
If you can make them, please sign up on the relevant wikimeet page!
If you want to receive future notifications about these wikimeets, then please add your name to the notification list (or remove it if you're already on the list and you don't want to receive future notifications!)
Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- I mean, given that I'm 5,000 miles away, probably not. Where's the button for "don't want to receive these notifications and am not on the list"? Ironholds (talk) 21:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- OK, that's a good excuse for not attending. ;-) But if you are ever in the area again, then you'd be most welcome at one of these wikimeets! I'm sending around a special notification for these wikimeets to all past attendees (amongst other groups of potential attendees) in the hope that I can encourage more people to attend them; I'm not planning on routinely sending around these notifications to anyone that doesn't sign up for the linked notification link. Have a nice day! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
"validity of picture: In People's Name.jpg"
Hi Ironholds. I have question about validity of the picture: In People's Name.jpg. I think some rules of wikimedia for Uploading this picture have not been met. How can I make sure? Please help me? Best regards!ن.عامری (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- @ن.عامری: what rules? I'll be honest - I'm afraid I'm totally ignorant of the standards on the Arabic-language Wikipedia (and don't know what that image is). Ironholds (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Death threats?
Can you point me to death threats, please? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- No, because they were sent via email. They were exceedingly graphic, from a known banned user Damian (and many others!) willingly associate with, and from someone geographically proximate to me at the time. Ironholds (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- If Peter associates with them, I probably do. Was it a credible threat? Why not name them? As it stands, it looks like a pretty sleazy guilt-by-association slur aimed at attacking someone who has had the temerity to criticise you. If it really was a credible death threat, (1) did you advise the police? and (2) I'd very much like to know who was responsible because I won't rest until they're banned from WO. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:25, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes it was credible, yes I advised the lawyers and security people I had access to, no I didn't advise the police, because "someone threatens someone on the internet" was not something the Oakland PD took particularly seriously, and: good for you. You're really encouraging me to trust you and consider you a person of integrity, here, by calling my actions "incredibly sleazy". I'd be truly interested to know if you've ever had pseudonymous people on the internet threaten you to the point where you genuinely felt at risk, because absent that, I would again say "please consider the possibility that I may have a better idea of what this feels like and what's reasonable than you do". Ironholds (talk) 23:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- I said "pretty sleazy". Please name the person who sent it. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- You really didn't read....any of my message, clearly. That or you just utterly lack any sense of empathy. Ironholds (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think you're a bad person. I know you've been very hurt. I think you've been treated very unfairly at Wikipediocracy. Jim. He's a well-intentioned, if occasionally a bit rash and foolish (weren't we?) young man. Cut him some slack. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 00:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- You think I want a cookie for having shit thrown at me? I don't want you to recognise the fashion in which people interacted with and continue to interact with me, as justified as much of it was at the time. I want you to actually alter your behaviour having recognised that. "Please publicly discuss the person who has spent years of your life continuously hounding and threatening you" is not doing that. Ironholds (talk) 00:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Forgive me but I'm not totally sure I've understood the above. Are you saying you won't name the person who issued the death threat? If so, would you be willing to tell me privately? Or User:Stanistani, who is a moderator ar WO. If someone there is issuing credible death threats, I'm confident he'll have them banned. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 00:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- You think I want a cookie for having shit thrown at me? I don't want you to recognise the fashion in which people interacted with and continue to interact with me, as justified as much of it was at the time. I want you to actually alter your behaviour having recognised that. "Please publicly discuss the person who has spent years of your life continuously hounding and threatening you" is not doing that. Ironholds (talk) 00:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think you're a bad person. I know you've been very hurt. I think you've been treated very unfairly at Wikipediocracy. Jim. He's a well-intentioned, if occasionally a bit rash and foolish (weren't we?) young man. Cut him some slack. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 00:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- You really didn't read....any of my message, clearly. That or you just utterly lack any sense of empathy. Ironholds (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I said "pretty sleazy". Please name the person who sent it. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes it was credible, yes I advised the lawyers and security people I had access to, no I didn't advise the police, because "someone threatens someone on the internet" was not something the Oakland PD took particularly seriously, and: good for you. You're really encouraging me to trust you and consider you a person of integrity, here, by calling my actions "incredibly sleazy". I'd be truly interested to know if you've ever had pseudonymous people on the internet threaten you to the point where you genuinely felt at risk, because absent that, I would again say "please consider the possibility that I may have a better idea of what this feels like and what's reasonable than you do". Ironholds (talk) 23:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- If Peter associates with them, I probably do. Was it a credible threat? Why not name them? As it stands, it looks like a pretty sleazy guilt-by-association slur aimed at attacking someone who has had the temerity to criticise you. If it really was a credible death threat, (1) did you advise the police? and (2) I'd very much like to know who was responsible because I won't rest until they're banned from WO. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:25, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Were these death threats directed at you, or were they your own well-known comments about fire? Because I'm with "incredibly sleazy" as a description of your behaviour here, re Peter Damian. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- ...wow. Chalk up someone else in the "incapable of empathy" column. Ironholds (talk) 00:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Joking about setting people on fire has a cost. Part of that cost is that you lose the ability to ever again generate sympathy for receiving internet death threats. Live with it. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- ...wow. Chalk up someone else in the "incapable of empathy" column. Ironholds (talk) 00:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
It must be hard.
Begoon talk 23:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Given your insistence on being vile under a pseudonym in the present, rather than under your real name in the past, I don't expect you to actually know. Ironholds (talk) 23:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
My real name isn't a secret. Never has been. It's Jim Dunn. A blind man could find that with no effort. What's your point? I think you've behaved atrociously. You're welcome to think the same of me. We can compare, if you like. Begoon talk 23:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- I did behave atrociously. And you know what I did, after that? I recognised that I'd behaved atrociously, and then I started trying to do better. And I spent a long period of time trying to build more welcoming communities, and spending my energies doing my best to build a community here that is more welcoming to different people from different groups and different contexts. That is most of what I do, now - both as a form of atonement and because it's simply the right thing to do.
- I don't see any of that from you. Admissions that you have a chilling effect are couched in language of "I'm only willing to admit it if you're willing to admit you used to be hideous". I don't see contributions that seek to do anything to improve the tone and environment of this community, or any other community. All I see is you treating me as if I am the same person I was then, and will forever be that person. Ironholds (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Have you apologised to Keifer? have you apologised to the "throat" lady"? These are not rhetorical questions, Oliver. I'm closer to meeting my maker than you are, and you dismiss my perspective at your own risk. Begoon talk 00:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC) (that's Jim - I'm impressed)
- Given that Kiefer spent an extended period of time insinuating that I was a sexual abuser of children, which pissed me off into making the comment in the first place, and has continued saying hideous things about me since (something I have resisted reciprocating)? And, given that the "throat lady" was Cherie Blair in the context of a cut to legal aid? No. I'm not sure what your "perspective" here is: that people don't change? Ironholds (talk) 00:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Have you apologised to Keifer? have you apologised to the "throat" lady"? These are not rhetorical questions, Oliver. I'm closer to meeting my maker than you are, and you dismiss my perspective at your own risk. Begoon talk 00:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC) (that's Jim - I'm impressed)
Ok. I genuinely tried. Done now. Have a nice day. Begoon talk 00:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)