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Grant Chuggle socks blocked
I have extended his block to a week and blocked both socks. Daniel Case 19:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I blocked all the socks, then semi-protected Santo DiMera and Tony DiMera in case he tries to do it again (You can still edit those articles; he can't do it anonymously, and if he tries to set up a new account he'll have to wait four days). Hopefully he'll start getting bored of this at some point. Daniel Case 15:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I've blocked that sock (for a month now, as opposed to a week). I will be extending Grant's block again for a few more weeks, although my patience is running low, especially after my post and advice to him late last night. We usually don't block IPs indefinitely (unless they're open proxies) as they are usually reassigned to other users after some time, the vandals give up, and it wouldn't be fair to people who haven't done anything wrong to try to edit without an account and find that they can't. Right now there's got to be a few other customers of his ISP who've been inconvenienced because of the blocks I've had to make.
I don't, personally, have the authority to formally ban him (only Jimbo Wales can do that) ... it would be informal if I got to the point of blocking him indefinitely and no one else wanted to unblock him. I may set up a long-term abuse subpage, though, if this keeps going on. Daniel Case 15:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I blocked the latest socks and have reset his block to three months (as in, three months from today). I didn't go to indefinite yet because he wasn't trying to edit the same pages and took his time before coming back. Daniel Case 15:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I see Yamla lowered the boom finally. But I doubt this will be over. As I indicated on Yamla's talk page, if it continues we may have to request a community ban just to make this even more serious.
BTW, don't threaten a range block casually as you did on one of the sock talk pages. You're not an admin (yet ... think of it that way :-)), and even among admins it takes some skill to do it. And because of its effect on innocent bystanders (so to speak), it is not a move we take unless there is no alternative (that's why I protected those pages first). As Yamla has suggested, it might well be so in this case, but we would have to get some consensus. Daniel Case 16:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I modified it to what I meant for it to say. That I hope they ban all his IPs. I wasn't threatening in any way to do it, I think he knows I can't, but you're right, I should have phrased it differently. I do hope that all his IPs can one day be banned, and I'll keep reporting him everytime I see him, but I know, as he should, I don't have that power and hope you know I didn't mean it to come across in such a way. Again, apologies if it did. IrishLass0128 16:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The bitter end
Grant has called it quits. Daniel Case 14:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- If it's true, fantastic. But I'll keep a watchful eye on the pages just the same. IrishLass0128 13:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Colaatje5
Hmm. This is intriguing. The edit history does show a similar tendency to soap opera articles, and "Colaatje" sounds like it could be something in Afrikaans (we know Grant lives in South Africa).
The procedure you're thinking of does exist — it's called Request for CheckUser. The process of making it is very formal since only a limited number of people have been trusted with the authority to do it since privacy is very important to Wikipedia.
And it is so formal that an out-of-the-blue request won't be accepted. Not without first opening a case at suspected sockpuppets. If you want to open it go ahead ... I am going to be out most of the U.S. Eastern Daylight Time day, and I can either do it when I get back or look over a case you've started (remember, Colaatje and Grant will have to be notified to give them an opportunity to respond). I did this once before, and I will warn you it takes a while for some impartial admin to look it over and decide whether a CheckUser should be requested or not, or what to do otherwise. Daniel Case 15:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- I tried and just got confused. If you could do it, I would very much appreciate it. It is truly bothersome that nearly all their edits are marked with an M for minor when they are clearly not minor edits but in actuallity acts of vandalism.IrishLass0128 17:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- It's open. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Grant Chuggle. Daniel Case 05:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
MaryPoppins878
Hmm. This may be more suspicious. The account was opened after we started blocking Grant, and has shown some interest in South Africa-related subjects (Despite the outcome of the SSP, I still wonder. Grant began his editing during a break in the use of that account over the summer). Daniel Case 07:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Ever since I pointed out I had my suspicions about this user, they've slowed down. What I find awfully funny is that all the edits are to the Bold and the Beautiful pages and the Days pages and all are almost exactly like the ones Grant did. The adding of the age thing is the big one. Can we do anything about it? IrishLass0128 15:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- And in further developing news, new user M-townboy is making edits and if they are reverted MaryPoppins878 immediately changes them back. This is easy to do, using two different browsers, IE and Foxfire for example, you can log in to two different accounts. I did see the comments about MP being from South Africa. Can we get a sockpuppetry case going now?? I've also repeatedly warned both about their edits bordering on vandalism. IrishLass0128 17:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK, do you want me to go to SSP and open one up? (Sorry, I've been busy, but I see this situation is continuing).
And actually, what if Grant's a sock of Colaatje? Daniel Case 06:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, please, their edits are nearly 100% in line with Grants and they are only editing the articles Grant edited. As to Colaatje, they haven't editted in quite some time so I'm no longer concerned. If they pop up again, we'll address that. MaryPoppins, however, is editing actively unless they see me online, then they stop for a while. I do believe they are Grant, especially since they said they were from South Africa also they are adding ages to articles and that was his tell tale sign. Thanks again. IrishLass0128 13:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- This is getting utterly ridiculous. They are using the same comments Grant used to make and using the same sources Hen55 used to. When I remove ages per the Soap Project and per Writing about Fiction, they revert the edits and claim to have sources. On soaps ages change daily sometimes yet they, much, much, MUCH, like Grant refuse to adhere to that. Remember the Colleen Brady issues? It's the same thing all over again. Help! IrishLass0128 18:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, please, their edits are nearly 100% in line with Grants and they are only editing the articles Grant edited. As to Colaatje, they haven't editted in quite some time so I'm no longer concerned. If they pop up again, we'll address that. MaryPoppins, however, is editing actively unless they see me online, then they stop for a while. I do believe they are Grant, especially since they said they were from South Africa also they are adding ages to articles and that was his tell tale sign. Thanks again. IrishLass0128 13:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK, do you want me to go to SSP and open one up? (Sorry, I've been busy, but I see this situation is continuing).
- And in further developing news, new user M-townboy is making edits and if they are reverted MaryPoppins878 immediately changes them back. This is easy to do, using two different browsers, IE and Foxfire for example, you can log in to two different accounts. I did see the comments about MP being from South Africa. Can we get a sockpuppetry case going now?? I've also repeatedly warned both about their edits bordering on vandalism. IrishLass0128 17:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The end
In case you didn't already know, the entire Telekom SA range has been blocked. This should put an end to Grant and his sockpuppetry. Daniel Case (talk) 15:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Range blocks affect everyone from that IP, or at least within the designated range. They can be soft or hard like regular blocks. BUt yes, they would often mean that everyone from that area who wants to edit has to register, unless Telkom SA does something about Chuggles. There's one case like that already in the Houston area where Southwestern Bell has been unresponsive. Daniel Case (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
so
you have more than crap in your page history when you log in. ··coelacan 23:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
List
At this point I'd say to go back in the history, maybe copy it into your own userspace, and source it there. Then you can reinsert it when it's all sourced. I'm a bit busy with some interviews I'm doing, but if you need help with different areas, let me know. Mike H. Fierce! 20:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know who told you that you couldn't, but people routinely prepare articles in the space all the time for inclusion later...that way it doesn't clutter the article while that section is in flux. Mike H. Fierce! 20:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Re:Little FYI, no biggie
I removed the comment based on it had no reference. As for the show being cancelled, I've been hearing that a lot lately. It wouldn't surprise me, as the show only has a 3.9 rating every week. I'm just waiting for a reliable source to make it clear their cancelled, before putting it on the page. Yes, I just noticed Bleek's action, at least the user got blocked. Regards DJS--DJS24 (talk) 20:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Good luck
I saw the notice on your userpage. I hope you can check in now and again on the Garden Grove and PHS articles. Best of luck, Alanraywiki (talk) 17:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! If I have to I'll go to the local McDonald's or Panera Bread and use their internet. Hopefully I'll have something soon and at least be able to check in at lunch or something. Thanks for the well wishes. IrishLass (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Commas
Hi there. I wonder why you reverted my edit to Degrassi: The Next Generation, regarding the rempoval/insertion of commas in dates. If you are confused about the way in which to format dates, take a look at Wikipedia’s Manual of Style, and in particular WP:DATE. Formatting dates without a comma cause problems for those folk reading articles and who are not logged in. As for Wikipedians who are logged in, they will have set their preferences to their preferred formatting of dates, and so upon reading the article, the edits would not have been noticed. Reformatting dates, spelling and so on "just because" shouldn't happen - they should reflect the nationality of the entire article, or the first major contribution (that was me). Anyway, I'm considering re-formatting them to date-month-year format, which would correctly negate the use of a comma, as Canadian usage allows for either dd/mm/yyyy mm/dd/yyyy. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 21:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- Simply because, painful comment here because I don't like her, Robin was right and you were wrong. You are looking at the MOS but what you are not seeing is what happens when the commas are removed and the dates are butted against each other. She was right and it's how formatting of dates is prefered to be done. Any unnecessary characters (in this case a comma) should be removed. Also, do not assert ownership over articles, that is frowned upon. Additionally, you are incorrect in your assertion that it causes problems to those not logged it, that is simply not true but could be an issue with your personal browser. Sorry, but you most definitely wrong in this case.IrishLass (talk) 21:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, but Wikipedia:DATE#Full date formatting says "Commas are not required to be used in full format American dates, such as February 14, 1976. Their inclusion or exclusion is a stylistic and editorial preference. Either style is acceptable so long as articles are internally consistent. Editors should follow the method already established in an article, so that if the article has dates with commas, then the commas should be left alone and new dates added to the article should have commas. If the dates in the article do not have commas, then they should not be added to existing dates and new dates should not have them. Where there is disagreement or the article currently has a mix of commas and no commas, then the earliest format used should be respected and the article changed to be consistent with that format." If not vandalism, it was still disruptive as commas were only removed from a small section of a large article with established commas. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 21:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
7th Heaven
I wasn't the one who decided to put the DVDs alongside the episode listings. Go point the finger somewhere else please. I only changed the title to reflect both items. Robinepowell (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Get over yourself. You are the one who moved the page and that was the wrong thing to do. You just don't know how to edit and should try and learn. IrishLass (talk) 19:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Holding hands up.. I'm not sure if it was me that added the DVD information, or just set it out in a table the way it was. Anyway, there is an established format where LoEs do have that info included; see Featured Lists List of Carnivàle episodes, List of Lost episodes, List of The Simpsons episodes, List of Smallville episodes, List of The Sopranos episodes, List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, List of Desperate Housewives episodes and List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Are you going to be a constant annoyance? Do I need to show you the "just because other stuff exists" policy? And if you are incapable of using words, don't come here. I deplore annoying little abbreviations that only mean something to the person that typed them. IrishLass (talk) 20:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Of course not. I was just saying, it was me who did it. And I don't think WP:OSE, which is only an essay, not policy or guideline, is the same as following an established format. LoE meant List of Episodes. And hey, let's not argue. We've only just come across each other, and we're both trying to make the best of Wikipedia, so I hope we can continue to edit it without upsetting each other if we do come across each other again. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, you've come across me and annoyed me to no end. Established format? You have a link to the page that says "this is what "Lists of Episodes" must look like"? Really? I'd like to see that. Just because some pages have the DVD info doesn't mean they all do and there are thousands of television shows, not just the annoying few you listed including but not limited to "The Simpsons." IrishLass (talk) 20:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Of course not. I was just saying, it was me who did it. And I don't think WP:OSE, which is only an essay, not policy or guideline, is the same as following an established format. LoE meant List of Episodes. And hey, let's not argue. We've only just come across each other, and we're both trying to make the best of Wikipedia, so I hope we can continue to edit it without upsetting each other if we do come across each other again. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Are you going to be a constant annoyance? Do I need to show you the "just because other stuff exists" policy? And if you are incapable of using words, don't come here. I deplore annoying little abbreviations that only mean something to the person that typed them. IrishLass (talk) 20:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Holding hands up.. I'm not sure if it was me that added the DVD information, or just set it out in a table the way it was. Anyway, there is an established format where LoEs do have that info included; see Featured Lists List of Carnivàle episodes, List of Lost episodes, List of The Simpsons episodes, List of Smallville episodes, List of The Sopranos episodes, List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, List of Desperate Housewives episodes and List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Medium
What's it to you if I removed a reference that I added? I did because I changed it to one from the The Futon Critic, because that one not only list Rosanna Arquette and airdate but an actual title too. Again what's it to you? My reference, my business. Robinepowell (talk) 19:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)