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Seems they're back to it again. See article history for [[Judge Mathis]] and the latest discussion on their talk page: [[User talk:Harmony944#More edit warring after block]]. Not really sure what to do about them. I'll ping {{U|NeilN}} as well since he was the one who blocked them last. Hope you don't mind, Neil. [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] (<small>[[User talk:Amaury|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Amaury|contribs]]</small>) 16:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC) |
Seems they're back to it again. See article history for [[Judge Mathis]] and the latest discussion on their talk page: [[User talk:Harmony944#More edit warring after block]]. Not really sure what to do about them. I'll ping {{U|NeilN}} as well since he was the one who blocked them last. Hope you don't mind, Neil. [[User:Amaury|Amaury]] (<small>[[User talk:Amaury|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Amaury|contribs]]</small>) 16:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Amaury}} Edit war between two editors. Contrary to what the IP claims, variations on "removing fluff" are perfectly acceptable edit summaries. IP was also pretty quick to poison the well. {{u|Harmony944}} has used the talk page - let's see how the IP responds. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 16:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC) |
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Pinging Geraldo Perez – this is more a reminder to myself than to you, Geraldo: but the WP:SCOPE of List of films based on television programs looks like it needs to be (massively?) narrowed. Right now it's including a bunch of what are basically TV movies in the list (including some TV movies that basically aired as episodes of these series – e.g. I just removed Shake It Up: Made In Japan which should not have been included under any circumstances!). That list should be narrowed to just theatrically-released films that are based on TV series. FWIW. (And, again, this is more a reminder to myself...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- See also: List of television spin-offs to do the same. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- And: Lists of actors by television series is another cleanup job... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Bizaardvark update
Nothing official has been announced yet on Deadline Hollywood, et al., but this seems to indirectly confirm S3. I realize Just Jared is WP:NOTRS, but if you look here, the official—verified—Disney Channel PR Twitter retweeted it, so we may be able to use it? Pinging Geraldo Perez as well. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:19, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'd say no, as a "retweet" is weak evidence, IMO. BTW, can't say I'm thrilled that they're hiring such young actors to "replace" Dirk... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ironically, a person in my Twitter group just said that. They asked why Disney Channel keeps casting little kids with older leads because it doesn't fit well. Like taking Xander, Tiffany, and Jorge out of Bunk'd and replacing them with little kids. Although that's still not officially confirmed until S3 begins in June. They also said that if they want to go for a younger demographic, do it with new series and to stop touching the older series. In other words, if I understood them right, if they're going to cast younger with older, do it from the get-go rather than with already running series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I hope the Bunk'd casting rumors are just "rumors" – IMO, it would be pointless to bring that show back for a third season, but fire half the cast (esp. Xander). 16:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- There is this video of a live-taping, and those three aren't in there, but I don't think that necessarily confirms anything. I guess we'll see. (You can do a search on YouTube for "Bunk'd season 3" if you're curious on anything.) And yeah, that's what I said. Xander, like Lou, is also a counselor, so he should stay. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:37, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I hope the Bunk'd casting rumors are just "rumors" – IMO, it would be pointless to bring that show back for a third season, but fire half the cast (esp. Xander). 16:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ironically, a person in my Twitter group just said that. They asked why Disney Channel keeps casting little kids with older leads because it doesn't fit well. Like taking Xander, Tiffany, and Jorge out of Bunk'd and replacing them with little kids. Although that's still not officially confirmed until S3 begins in June. They also said that if they want to go for a younger demographic, do it with new series and to stop touching the older series. In other words, if I understood them right, if they're going to cast younger with older, do it from the get-go rather than with already running series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
This seems to be more telling on Bizaardvark, though the words renewed aren't specifically stated. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Did you ever see this? Still not sure what to do. It's evident, at least to me, that there's a third season coming, but there's still no official renewal announcement from Deadline Hollywood et alia. This wouldn't be the first time, though. When Stuck in the Middle's S3 renewal was officially announced, S3 was already being filmed. Disney Channel has been strange lately. Usually, renewals are announced sometime after the current season has wrapped production and is still airing on TV. Furthermore, filming doesn't begin until after the renewal announcement, at least that's how it usually goes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I think you can use that to say that a "new season" will premiere in summer/mid-2018 on Disney Channel. But I don't think you can use it say there's a "season 3" yet!! (My guess, is that you'll get a specific Disney press release about this soon, and will be able to use that...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
It's official now. I'll be updating the article shortly. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:44, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I'm not sure whether we should be adding the new names in the infobox or characters section yet (at Bunk'd). There is the reference, but it doesn't address the names of the characters - another source is needed for that. Also, the episodes with these new actors haven't started airing yet, and the order of their names in the credits will be in question until then. If the names are to be in the infobox and characters section, shouldn't that tweet be tied to them, too (until the season premiere)? MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'm with MPFitz – leave them out of the cast list and the infobox for now. They can be mentioned under Production/Casting, but I'd wait until episodes actually air for the rest... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:50, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Disney ABC Press has the photo [1] - that's also in the tweet - under which they give the character names played by the new actors - Matteo, Destiny, and Finn (who is Lou's cousin) ... but not which actor goes with which character at this point. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
New Bizaardvark cast confirmed. At 10:27 on this video from Disney Channel's official YouTube on May 12, 2018. Add: And at 23:17, we see the new Bunk'd cast. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:34, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've also just seen a promo on Disney Channel for season #3 Bunk'd – it looks like they've taken an already marginal show and taken it completely out of my demographic...
--IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:37, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
- On a site note, poor Ethan broke his leg as seen in that video. :( I wonder how he did that. As that was back in May and we don't how long he was already in that cast, though, it's probably healed by now, or, at the very least, he's out of the cast. Makes me curious how, if at all, it affected his filming. I doubt he'd just be forever absent, so the only logical conclusion I can think of is that they incorporated his broken leg into the series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Is this a series you watched? If so, can you confirm the latest edits by Generale Lee with the addition to the Recurring section? Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- I just checked, and IMDb say that one was in 4 episodes, so while borderline, I'm not going to remove. I do question whether they were credited ahead of David Wilmot – I'm not sure there's an easy way I can check that though... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Take this with a grain of salt.
A lot of people are speculating cancellation, but even he didn't mention the word: https://twitter.com/nickandmore/status/1000065126375002112 Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:06, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- This seems odd – the ratings (and, by this, I mean the total viewership) that Star Falls has already generated doesn't seem so bad as to merit a permanent pulling from the air and a "burnoff" via streaming... I do take that with a grain of salt, and if it does happen, I've got to think there's something else going on here. (E.G. Has Nickelodeon had a change in upper management recently? – That has happened before: a new network head will come in, and will turf out all of the programming produced by the previous regime. It's a really stupid and short-sided practice, but I've seen it happen before...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:13, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't necessarily agree about the ratings being good—they've all been below 1M—however, yeah, totally. In fact, you've told me this before here: User talk:IJBall/Archive 8#Re: I Didn't Do It. In any case, to quote Stephanie Tanner if this is the case here, "How rude!" Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- What I meant was while the ratings are probably bad enough to guarantee ultimate cancellation, they don't seem bad enough to merit immediate "banishment" from the air – if the show was getting 400,000 viewers, I could easily imagine that happening. But 700,000–800,000 SAME DAY viewers in the current ratings environment doesn't seem disastrous enough to me to merit a full and immediate pulling off-the-air... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't necessarily agree about the ratings being good—they've all been below 1M—however, yeah, totally. In fact, you've told me this before here: User talk:IJBall/Archive 8#Re: I Didn't Do It. In any case, to quote Stephanie Tanner if this is the case here, "How rude!" Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Well, that solves that. Fingers crossed it's renewed. I mean, it's not doing that much worse than Knight Squad, and it's not doing too well itself, unless Nickelodeon is considering its numbers good given the general ratings decline plus that Nielsen's last sample update wasn't exactly on Nickelodeon's side. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:25, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- It also seems Nickelodeon has stopped roadblock airings—simulcasts on TeenNick and Nicktoons—so it's possible we may see higher numbers onward. The Thundermans finale marathon was advertised as simulcasting on TeenNick and Nicktoons, but that never happened. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
ABC spinoff in the works
Whoo! Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- I heard about this yesterday. My one comment at the time was that I hope they include Daniela Bobadilla in it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Chris Wood
Hi IJBall. I saw you reverted my edit on Chris Wood (actor) as 'unsourced', but I noticed at least this source that seems to confirm the statement. Trijnsteltalk 15:58, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Trijnstel: WP:NOTGOSSIP. This isn't a tabloid – it's an encyclopedia. The transient dating lives of celebrities is not our mission. If and when someone like this, say, gets engaged, then it's appropriate to add it to the article. But not before then. Also, that is not what {{Infobox person}}'s
partner
parameter is for either. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:00, 2 June 2018 (UTC)- Alright then. I thought the English Wikipedia was a bit more tolerant about this, which is why I accepted the edit from the anon, but I guess I was wrong. I've also removed the sentence here. Trijnsteltalk 16:12, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Trijnstel: Thank you!... Yeah, that latter one was particularly bad, as it was both WP:NOTGOSSIP and unsourced! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:13, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Alright then. I thought the English Wikipedia was a bit more tolerant about this, which is why I accepted the edit from the anon, but I guess I was wrong. I've also removed the sentence here. Trijnsteltalk 16:12, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Episode table template - headers
That's interesting. Looks like there was a change made as episode table headers now have a black border. Have a look at any of our watched TV series articles—you can't miss it. Previously, it was the same shade as the episode table body. I kind of like it. Perhaps it was done because the gray borders didn't look or contrast that well with most of the colors or shades used for the header—for example, yellow. Looks like it's coded as well depending on what color or shade the header is used. If you take a look at I Am Frankie and then compare it to, say, List of K.C. Undercover episodes, you should notice an obvious difference, particularly between each column with the header cells. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure I do like it, but not enough to object to it... [shrug] --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:16, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
https://deadline.com/2018/06/cyma-zarghami-departs-nickelodeon-1202403072/ Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Online leak notes
Ignoring the MOS:BOLD issue, do you think notes like this are trivial? Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- The bigger problem that that claim is unsourced – to verify "accidentally released", we'd need a secondary source stating that. So the notes should be removed. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Harmony944 reported by User:Amaury (Result: ). Thank you. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Amaury (and NeilN!)! I appreciate it!
--IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
The world as we know is over...
Proof. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:36, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
- The long-standing "TV universe" has been dead for about 5 years now. I'm not sure what they're going to need to do, but I can tell you that "Same Day" ratings are now completely useless. In fact, I kind of wonder why we on Wiki even still bother to report them for currently-airing TV series. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:21, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'm proud of The Thundermans. Given the times, it ended pretty decently. Sadly, we made history with a special for the first time not receiving 2M+, but still. Amazing how fast things change. Last year Nickelodeon was doing extremely well, even kicking Disney Channel's ass. Starting late last year is when things started changing for the worse, just like when things started changing for the worse on Disney Channel in late 2016. Hopefully Nielsen's algorithm update this summer improves both Nickelodeon and Disney Channel. Although I will say it seems ratings don't matter quite as much for Disney Channel, though they're still nice to have and nice to have high. I'm sure you've noticed that Disney Channel has its own commercials and the like. Add: But you know it's bad when even hit Henry Danger drops to the ratings it was at for April and May. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
- And here I thought things couldn't get any worse. Albeit not much under, Andi Mack has fallen below 1M. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
These additions probably need to be reviewed based on their number of guest star appearances. Also, unlike animation, I think you'll agree with me in this case that "portrayed by" is pointless. Add: For example, Omar is just a plant with no credit, similar to Jessie and Mr. Kipling, except it was only in a small amount of episodes and is only a plant, not an animal. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:17, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes "portrayed by" is pointless – that can definitely be removed. The additions... I'll have to look at – Evelyn Hall I think may qualify, but I'm not sure about the others. Omar the Plant should be probably be mentioned, but I'd put it inside Gooch's character summary, not as a separate entry. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Jillian Murray
Okay, I'm curious about something. If IMBD is not a WP:RS then why is a link to her IMBD in the External Links section? That's where I got the DOB from considering the link was already on her Wikipedia page. From my perspective that says the information it contains hasn't been challenged and is thereby accurate. So I assume that if it's not a RS then the link should be removed as well, right? Snickers2686 (talk) 20:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Snickers2686: IMDb can be used as an 'External link', but not as an inline source, and especially not for bio info at a WP:BLP. The details are covered at WP:RS/IMDb, WP:Citing IMDb, and WP:EL/P. In terms of Murray, I've looked for WP:RS that mention either a DOB or an age, and have so far found nothing... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:58, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi IJBall,
Just thought you should know the random ip address that your reverted is blocked for 31 hours due to personal attacks toward me. He or she has been disruptive editing various articles on Wikipedia. — Lbtocthtalk 14:50, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Harmony944
Seems they're back to it again. See article history for Judge Mathis and the latest discussion on their talk page: User talk:Harmony944#More edit warring after block. Not really sure what to do about them. I'll ping NeilN as well since he was the one who blocked them last. Hope you don't mind, Neil. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Amaury: Edit war between two editors. Contrary to what the IP claims, variations on "removing fluff" are perfectly acceptable edit summaries. IP was also pretty quick to poison the well. Harmony944 has used the talk page - let's see how the IP responds. --NeilN talk to me 16:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC)