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Stop harrassing me. My last post to your talk page was at 02:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC). Since then, you have edited my talk page four times admonishing me not to post to your talk page when I haven't. Stop or I will report your harrassment. And please don't bother to reply to this. —[[User:Hanuman Das|Hanuman Das]] 03:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
Stop harrassing me. My last post to your talk page was at 02:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC). Since then, you have edited my talk page four times admonishing me not to post to your talk page when I haven't. Stop or I will report your harrassment. And please don't bother to reply to this. —[[User:Hanuman Das|Hanuman Das]] 03:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:Hum, today is still the 21 September. I'm sure there is some logic (some where) in your statement, as I continue to thing you are basically rational. [[User:Timmy12|Timmy12]] 03:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
:Hum, today is still the 21 September. I'm sure there is some logic (some where) in your statement, as I continue to thing you are basically rational. [[User:Timmy12|Timmy12]] 03:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::You're a *****. UTC is Universal Time, i.e. Greenwich Time, i.e. the time in London. All signatures use it, including yours. I've reported your harrassment, now GO AWAY! —[[User:Hanuman Das|Hanuman Das]] 03:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Can't take your own mediicine == so go alhead and DELETE THIS! == |
== Can't take your own mediicine == so go alhead and DELETE THIS! == |
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This is the talk page for Hanuman Das. Please to the bottom of the page. Please note that I reserve the right to blank messages on this page for any reason, but most especially will certainly do so for any personal attacks or for communication with a third party on my talk page. If you have something to say to someone, use their talk page, not mine. If you do not agree with this policy, please don't post on this page, but rather contact me on the talk page of the article involved. Thank you. —Hanuman Das 13:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
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Sure thing. -999 (Talk) 14:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
New Patroller
Hi there HD!
I've just started patroling Buddhism pages.
I noticed you reverted edits on page 'Buddhism' eightfold path also known as middle way - I noticed these too. The editor who made them has also edited page 'Middle Way' which contained similar material, which I've removed (although they seemed to predate his current edits). They were also backed up with a Pali quote I'm not familiar with, but even if genuine, I feel that such teaching is far too advanced for the article.
The eightfold path also has a prominent assertion at its start that it's the same as the middle way - I think we're dealing with either a very thorough vandal or someone with a dogmatic axe to grind!
I've put a warning on his talk page, what do you think? Rentwa 14:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
PS I stared a zen collaboration (link on my user page) - if you'd like to vote/contribute, I'd be very grateful :) Rentwa 14:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll look into it. The western use is pretty much limited to the last five tattvas... -999 (Talk) 14:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Om Yoga Meditation article
Sections used with Permission
The deleted sections were used with the permission of the author of the sited ebook, Swami Nirmalananda. In my opinion, they should not be deleted, as they are important information regarding a very important and neglected subject in Wikipedia. As you know from the citations which you deleted, this is not a novel, created method, but is one one of long standing. Hence, it is not promotional of any specific organization. Further, the information is practical, that is, useable, rather than simply theoretical academic knowledge.
I further think that the article should stand as it is as a separate article, rather than being merged into the larger article regarding Om. Firstly, the article is primarily about a specific type of meditation, rather than primarily about Om. Secondly, if merged into a larger article it would of necessity need to be trimmed, i.e., diluted, and made insipid, impractical, and useless. If articles on meditation methods of less importance historically are permitted to stand separately, then this surely qualifies to remain as one.
Please consider these compelling arguements. Please forgive any neglect of other conventions due to ignorance. I will gladly conform to necessary standards. You could help by helping me find how to acknowledge permission granted for extended quotations such as is mentioned above. –Tarakananda 17:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Om Meditation
Thank you for your patient reply.
I ask for some patience (and perhaps some advice) regarding the Om Yoga meditation article. I still think that it can be salvaged as an independent article with some modifications as per your comments. I know from observation that some of the articles are closely guarded, and additions and modifications would probably be butchered. The meditation page discussion shows that additions to this would be difficult - even though merging some of the content this article are sorely needed to fill in a real void.
Perhaps by renaming the article "Om Meditation" -- descriptive rather than Om Yoga Meditation, which might seem proprietary -- would remove that roadblock.
As to copyright violation, this can be overcome by modifying the wording to preserve the meaning, though the author has no problem in doing whatever necessary to allow this aspect of the writing to become public domain -- in fact, he would prefer that it become so.
As to the instructions, this seems to be where I'll have to reluctantly acquiesce.
As I wrote earlier, the information seems to me to be too important to be lost in a shotgun blast of other information on Om or Meditation. From your background I'm sure you can see the historical importance (and the present day need) for this information. Please consider working with me to find a way to preserve the article in some form, or, baring that,add it to the Om and Meditation articles in a complete and meaningful way. I look forward to hearing from you.
Your as a newbie article poster, –Tarakananda 21:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks
I appreciate your co-operation and help on this! This weekend when I have more time I will polish the article, and perhaps expand it with acceptable material.
I hope you will let me keep in touch as I learn the ropes, and endeavor to provide relevant and helpful information to articles. –Tarakananda 15:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Pranva Meditation page revised
Hanuman Dasji,
I have thouroughly gone through the article on Pranava meditation, and have attempted to apply your suggestions. I have:
- supplied copious footnotes and references, attempting to be as accurate as possible
- reworked the section on Aum, renaming it "Rationale – mantra and Aum", rewording it and supplying additional info so as to avoid any copyright controversy (though, as I said, the author was not concerned)
- trimmed the section on the Upanishads
- changed the formatting to make it more readable
- added some external links
I hope that this satisfies any requirements, so that the notice regarding citations at the top may be removed.
Thank you for your co-operation in writing this article. –Tarakananda 20:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Hanuman Das,
I appreciate your attempts to bring articles into proper compliance with WP:LIVING, but some of them go too far. You removed some good links with V RS material[1] and added some superfluous fact-tags[2] to Andrew_Cohen#Criticism. Contrary to your edit summary, WP:LIVING doesn't take precedence over WP:NPOV. The policies are co-equal and we have to figure out how to harmonize them.
To the extent that you may desire to err on the side of avoiding criticism of gurus, remember the quote about Shri Hanumanji, who loved to "spot a tyrant and pull his beard". :-)
peace, Jim Butler(talk) 00:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Hanuman Das,
I must agree with Jim Butler's comments. We are not talking about mere celebrities here, or private citizens whose accomplishments have put them in the public domain. Applying your standards, a hypothetical wikipedia article on Jim Jones written in 1978 would have excluded critical information and have been totally imbalanced with potentially more disasterous consequences. It is not like these gurus do not have the resources to defend themselves and generate all sorts of source materialDseer 18:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC), rather, it is the critics who are at a disadvantage. The treatment of highly controversial gurus insulated from public scrutiny by authoritarian organizations and well funded advocacy organizations like Andrew Cohen and Adi Da Samraj, without lineage and whose claims of unique enlightenment were rejected by their own living teachers, must put a greater weight on NPOV than you desire. By virtue of what they claim, modern gurus heading authoritarian organizations claiming ego-less enlightenment must be held to a much higher standard that typical public figures. Ramana Maharshi, Nisagadatta, Anandamayi Ma and similiar figures lived openly and simply, did not care about unfounded criticism knowing it would fall of its own weight, and so one does not find these problems. You would be well advised to consider the advice of Vivekananda, who foresaw the dangers even in his own time when the West was just becoming open to Eastern spirituality. He wisely said that:
"There are still greater dangers in regard to the transmitter, the guru. There are many who though immersed in ignorance, yet, in the pride of their hearts, fancy they know everything, and not only do they stop there, but offer to take others on their shoulders; and thus the blind leading the blind both fall in the ditch.
Quote:
"Fools dwelling in darkness, wise in their own conceit, and puffed up with vain knowledge, go round and round staggering to and fro, like blind men led by the blind" (Katha Up. I ii 5)
"The World is full of these. Everyone wants to be a teacher, every beggar wants to make a gift of a million dollars! Just as these beggars are ridiculous, so are these teachers."
Dseer 18:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Dseer
Ann Hill
Dear Hanuman,
I'm not sure what the proper method of dealing with this is, but as far as I can tell there has never been anyone named Ann Hill booked as a speaker or performer (unless she was part of a group) at either the Starwood Festival or the WinterStar Symposium. Nothing on either of the Wiki pages "Ann Hill" or "Anne Hill" seems factual, cited, or referenced. As far as I can tell, everything in the listing is a garbled-grammar version of phrases from the interview in the book Modern Pagans, which is the only reference listed. The one citation leads right back to the Ann Hill page itself. Now, there is material on pages connected to Starhawk and Witchvox from which a real listing could be made, including info on books she's contributed to and a CD she has released, but the present page reads like a parody. I will delete the mention of Starwood and WinterStar, but I don't know who can or should go any further. Rosencomet 19:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
WP:LIVING violations, could you help?
I've run into you on several articles we both edit and you seem to be fair and understand WP policy. I've been trying to remove poorly sourced negative info from three article in the Tibetan Buddhist area, but Kt66 has violated 3RR to put the negative info back. He seems to be a failed student of one of these teachers... Anyway, I had to report him after his 4th revert. I know WP:LIVING reverts are exempt, but I'd rather not chance it, I've seen other people get blocked for it. Could you take a look at (and maybe put on your watch list): Dorje Shugden, Kelsang Gyatso, Michael Roach? I'd appreciate it... Ekajati 21:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Request for comment on Siddha Yoga
Hello there. I don't believe we've every chatted so this request may seem unusual.
I notice that you are active in maintaining articles about hinduism.
There's currently a discussion going on the SY discussion page in which a fairly new editor is unhappy with my edits and my activity on the page. I don't want to say too much, for fear of unjustly characterizing their concerns.
I know this is asking a lot. As a neutral party, would you consider reading some of the discussion and offering suggestions.
I would welcome it as I am perhaps too close to the material and the other editor might feel a little easier knowing that someone else was willing to read their concerns.
As I said, it's asking a lot and I would understand if you chose not to.
TheRingess 01:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm...I wasn't sure what to make of your statement.
I'm tempted to take it as a "no", if so, fair nuff. Thanks for getting back to me.
TheRingess 01:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Adi Da critical material belongs in lead section
Three times you've removed verified and notable material from the lead section[3][4][5], each time giving a vague reason that ignores WP:LEAD and my attempts to discuss on the talk page. Please engage appropriate Wikiquette (see WP:DR) and discuss at Talk:Adi Da before removing it again. thanks, Jim Butler(talk) 02:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
What's with you on your sockpuppet hangups and constant accusations?
Quote from you to me.
Sockpuppetry
Hello, Mattisse. Looks like I'll have to open another sockpuppetry case when I have time. Ciao. —Hanuman Das 13:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC) [edit]
Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (3rd) for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Hanuman Das 13:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Get a life! Your live in an obsessive fantasiy world. Don't you have something else to do? Thanks! And good luck! Timmy12 02:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I wish you would find something else to do with your time. Turely. You seem relatively competent, so why waste time on this? Don't get it. Hope you find your way out of this obsessive waste of time. Timmy12 02:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please dont't harass me with whatever you have to say to someone elsot to me.
Don't involve me with out people's problems. This is harassment and I will eventually complain, although that is not my style. I don't know what your problem is. but leave me out of it. You aare a major comtributor to the decreasing quality of life on Wikipedia. Surely that is not your goal. Timmy12 02:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
If you want me to stay off your talk page, then stay off of mine. You don't own this place although you act as if you do.
I can't account for your obsessions, but dont's send messages to other people on my talk page. Fortuanately, I am not so sensitive as to to have to delete your untowark remarks, umlike you. Timmy12 02:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
If you don't want me to respond on your talk pages then stop posting on mine!
Simple request and totally consistant with your express wishes. Thank! Timmy12 03:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
To Timmy12
Stop harrassing me. My last post to your talk page was at 02:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC). Since then, you have edited my talk page four times admonishing me not to post to your talk page when I haven't. Stop or I will report your harrassment. And please don't bother to reply to this. —Hanuman Das 03:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hum, today is still the 21 September. I'm sure there is some logic (some where) in your statement, as I continue to thing you are basically rational. Timmy12 03:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- You're a *****. UTC is Universal Time, i.e. Greenwich Time, i.e. the time in London. All signatures use it, including yours. I've reported your harrassment, now GO AWAY! —Hanuman Das 03:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Can't take your own mediicine == so go alhead and DELETE THIS!
Dish is out but can't take it. And I used to have a high opinion of you! Delete this now as to not offend your sensitive soul. Thanks! Timmy12 03:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)