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:All good. I did a few corrections to your edit. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC) |
:All good. I did a few corrections to your edit. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[Steyr AUG]] == |
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Per [[WP:REPEATLINK]], please stop adding multiple links to the same page within the article, as you are on [[Steyr AUG]]. Both of the links you just restored are not only redirects, but the actual articles have already been linked in this article. - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 23:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Hello again, as I mentioned in my edit summary, if you wish to use the word "cartrdige" in that way, then you need to make sure that you are using that same format throughout the entire article for uniformity. We cannot have some instances using one style of English and others using a different. - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 16:00, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Yeah I'm using the British English style for the AUG. Feel free to help along if I miss out on anything [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 16:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::I'm afraid I can't in good faith help with this, as I believe it is poor grammar, and can't find another instance of that wording on any other articles I have watched or just checked (including several British guns like the [[Pattern 1914 Enfield]], [[Ross rifle]], [[Bren light machine gun]], [[Webley Revolver]], and [[British Bull Dog revolver]], just to name a few of the ones I just checked)... the proper wording should either be "chambered in/for 556" or "chambered in/for *the* 556 cartridge". I can't find anywhere else a regular usage of "chambered in 556 cartridge", British English or not. I will not undo your changes to that wording on this article anymore, as that would verge on edit warring, but just a heads up if anyone else comes through to fix it in the future. Also, for uniformity, you need to change each and every instance in the entire article (the lede sentence and the "chambered in 9mm and 40" in the next sentence after your instance were my examples from the edit summary that I see you did not change), because we can't be choosing to be correct and incorrect in the same article just to save two instances of your version. - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 17:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::We can change it to 'chambered for the' [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 23:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=Warning icon]] Please stop. If you continue to add [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|unsourced or poorly sourced]] content, as you did at [[:Steyr AUG]], you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]. <!-- Template:uw-unsourced3 --> - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 00:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:P.S. "I'm going to add a ref later" fails [[WP:BURDEN]]... - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 00:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::BRUH how impatient are you. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 00:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Guns, please stop with the "bruh". We're all supposed to be grown-ups here. Please stop edit warring. Besides, please stop adding excessive hobbyist details to these articles. Only fetishists care about some lever on a rail or whatever. Thank you, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 00:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Please tread more carefully. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 00:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Then read what I said. I am adding the cited sources and yous two kept reverting edits. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 00:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::BE F PATIENT. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 00:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Word to the wise: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steyr_AUG&diff=prev&oldid=1153724151 this edit summary], "To avoid an edit war from happening, if you wish to remove any content, make sure to go over it and research what you're about to delete. Any uncited material will be given citations from me over time", shows the extent of your misunderstanding about what we do here and how we do it. For the while, I am skipping over all the yelling and cussing and insulting you did in edit summaries, and I'll just assume that the final "c" in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steyr_AUG&diff=prev&oldid=1153731312 this edit summary] was a typo. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 00:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2404:3C00:B05D:D000:0:0:0:0/64 Block evasion] is not a good strategy here. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color: #D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 02:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== May 2023 == |
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Note from another administator: [[WP:BURDEN]] is a subsection of [[WP:VERIFIABILITY]], which is a core content policy. Following that policy is mandatory and non-negotiable. Keep that at the front of your mind after your block expires. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 00:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Are you that high of yourself that you cannot accept the fact that that some of the edits that were reverted are correct. Pathetic. The AUG uses a 30, 42-round magazines [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:26, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::DO YOUR RESEARCH. https://www.steyr-arms.com/en/military-law-enforcement/assault-rifles/aug-a3/ |
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::for your reference. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::Proprietary to the AUG itself. Later A3 models are capable of accepting STANAG magazine. AUG A3 9mm also has those barrel lengths that were mentioned prior to it being removed and replaced. Visit the official website of Steyr Arms, AUG A3 - then proceed to the AUG A3 9mm variant. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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OK--your rude response to Cullen328, one of our most respected administrators, the nonsensical invective to "do your own research", and the block evasion, all that is enough for me to lengthen your block to a full week. As for that research, this is silly. You're blathering about some magazine or something, and now you drop a company link in here as if a. that is an acceptable secondary source and b. you had provided that source in the article already--which of course you didn't. One more time: when you insert information, source it. It's that simple. And when you get reverted multiple times by multiple editors, stop. Insulting administrators will get you nowhere. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 02:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WtOXbC4Yi8 - TFB TV AUG History |
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:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhEPHfvfqR4&t=423s - Forgotten Weapon's video on the AUG |
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:The Steyr AUG A1s, A2s, including the HBAR uses a proprietary polymer-translucent magazine. A3 variants later acquire an option to use Standard STANAG Magazines. So what you're telling me that any content displayed on the firearm's manufacturer's website is not credible? How silly is that. |
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:If you look at it or at least even have fired the rifle, which I have (F88 Austeyr) the Australian adopted variant you would realise that; yes it does use a proprietary polymer, translucent magazines. Available in either 30-,42-rounds. |
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:The SMG variants are also listed to have those barrel lengths that were mentioned. The cited source that only shows one barrel length is outdated or perhaps just didn't mention the other barrel lengths. I'm only trying to correct incorrect/misleading information. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::Youtube is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 02:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Correct by itself amounts to ''nothing'' on Wikipedia. Correct and properly referenced is wonderful. Allegedly correct and unreferenced is unacceptable, especially when your edits have been repeatedly challenged by multiple editors as unreferenced. Do the work and provide the references to reliable sources when you add content, or ''do not add the content''. It is really quite simple. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:49, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Yeah I was about to add those sources but I got other things to do. That's why I just left it on my laptop so I can work on it from time to time. When clicked saved, the newly reverted edit took place and couldn't saved the version of the article that I was working on. That's why I started reverting those edits back and cussing. Plus if you've noticed that way I edit, I'll edit through the whole day. I can't just sit on one sitting and make all of the edits. I edit when I have the time. And sometimes it does take a while to find those 'reliable sources'. I don't add/delete things if they're not valid or correct. Either that comes from a first-hand source or secondary source. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 03:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I gave up. Good luck. |
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:::Btw Forgotten Weapons is one of the most reliable channel when it comes to firearms. Detailed and precise. |
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:::The interview done by TFB TV is probably one of the most reliable videos that talks about the AUG's history. He interveiwed a representative from Steyr USA, that has worked with the AUG, had thousands of rounds fired of many AUG variants. He is far more reliable and credible compared to you or any of the editors that kept reverting my previous edits. |
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:::Answer me this, have you actually fired the AUG. Lay your hands on one? or simply just typing your way out of this. Get off your high horse mate. Yes I should of not been rude to anyone, that is my bad and I will apologise for that. I was frustrated as to how hard headed some of these editors are. Some of them, if not most haven't even fired a rifle. More specially the AUG. I have fired this rifle, the Australian variant (F88). I know for a FACT that the magazine used, is a proprietary magazine, that is translucent, and holds 30-round and an optinal 42-rounds. A3 models however have gain the ability to accept STANDARD NATO Mags. That is a fact, you can research it if you want and I'll guarantee you that I am right on this. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::To add; AUG 9mm variants have those 3 barrel length options. The cited source is an old promotional pdf from Steyr Arms and may just have not included the other barrel lengths. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::I am not here to discuss firearms. I am here to enforce a Wikipedia policy that applies to firearms, asteroids, butterflies, ancient Greek sculpture, wildflowers, sailboats and Saturn. And millions of other topics. Follow the policy or stop editing. You have no other choice. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Yeah I'll follow the policy. And you just said it there on your reply. You don't have any knowledge regarding firearms. I do, lift the edit-ban. Let me work on it. Then review it afterwards. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 03:03, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::Can you explain in your own words what WP:BURDEN says? - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 03:06, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::I have to provided the necessary reference for any uncited information. Which I was going to do. But not in one sitting. It will take me a whole day to provide those sources since, editing Wikipedia isn't the only thing I'm doing. It's merely a hobby and because I want to provide correct information when it comes to firearms. I have not once put anything that is incorrect on any firearms I've edited. And if I am wrong, I do acknwldege it just like when I moved the 'IWI Tavor' to 'IWI Tavor Tar'. I was wrong on that and have retracted my request to move the page. Most of you here, that's reverting my edits on the 'Steyr AUG' are so high up on yourselves that you think everything you do is pure gospel. I take accountability that I was rude, and I apologised for that. But I'm right regarding the barrel lengths for the AUG A3 9mm, the magazine used, the muzzle devices. And if you review my changes I even merged the F88 and F88 GLA. But nah just do quick reverts without reviewing it. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 03:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::[[WP:BURDEN]] doesn't say any of that... - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 03:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Yeah I really didn't read that page to be fair but after reading it, I understand what you mean. |
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::::::::::Those two YouTube links I've provided and the official website of Steyr Arms are the most reliable source you can find talking about the firearm's history, design and more. Watch those two videos then review the reverted edit. I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE that what I put on those barrel lengths and magazine are correct. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 03:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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{{undent}} So, this whole time that you have been arguing with multiple other users, after [[WP:BURDEN]] was very clearly pointed out to you as the reason your edits were being reverted, and you never even bothered to READ THE RULE YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT?!?!?! Yeah, I'm done... see you in a week... - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 03:25, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Literally no experienced Wikipedia editor cares that you think that {{tpq|I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE that what I put on those barrel lengths and magazine are correct.}} Hollering in ALL CAPS is not a persuasive debating tactic on Wikipedia. Pretty much the opposite. A reference to a reliable source is like a gold nugget on Wikipedia. Unreferenced content is equivalent to sawdust or rotting leaves or the stuff that you find on the floor of a poorly maintained stable. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::Do you have experience in firearm design, have you a shot a single bullet in your entire life? Most of you haven't even touched a rifle, let alone fired a round in you real life. I don't care if your admin here or an 'experienced wikipedia editot'. If you haven't had real life use of said firearms. your word isn't credible. One guy literally said he's not associated with editing firearms. Then why is he doing here. Go back to your Greek flowers and wildflowers. What are you even doing here? You have NO knowledge regarding firearms. Your word is irrelevant. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 04:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::First, I will answer yes, just to knock you off your high horse (and probably a lot more experience with them than you, considering some of the technical errors you have made). Second, luckily, none of that matters here, so long as a user is able to read and understand (and follow!) the policies and guidelines (rules) set in place for Wikipedia. - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 04:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::The reply was for Cullen. |
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::::Mistakes, elaborate/list them here then. |
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::::Okay, so you're saying that you have fired the AUG or at least variants of the AUG. Which one specifically? The semi-auto only ones that were imported to USA or select-fire variants that are adopted either by the Austrians or the Australian military. I have fired the F88 variant, select fire variant. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 04:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Even though the F88 has been slightly modified to meet the Australian Army's requirements it is still closely similar to the original AUG A1 design. When I say F88 I am referring to the first iteration of the rifle and not the later F88A2 variants. They use a proprietary polymer-translucent magazines that holds 30-rounds, and is compatible with the optional 42-round magazine. |
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:::::The AUG A3 9mm submachine gun has 3 different barrel lengths as well. [[User:Guns & Glory|Guns & Glory]] ([[User talk:Guns & Glory#top|talk]]) 04:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::My suggestion right now is to put down the [[WP:STICK]], read all the links that the other editors gave you, and maybe come back in a week a better editor? - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 04:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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{{od}}Yes, I have fired guns and slept with a firearm I owned next to my bed when I felt my life to be at risk. No, I am not an expert in this particular firearm. Yes, I know vastly more about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines than you do. No, I have zero interest in things like {{tpq|proprietary polymer-translucent magazines that holds 30-rounds}}, which you should not be discussing while blocked. Instead, you should have been discussing getting unblocked. Yes, I see that you are refusing to discuss Wikipedia policies and instead are fixated on your determination to add unreferenced firearms content to Wikipedia. No. I will not enable your fetish. Your talk page access has been revoked for the length of your block. If you return to disruptive editing after your block ends, the next block is likely to be indefinite. Read [[WP:UTRS]] for your unblock options. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Hello, I'm sorry I reverted your changes, I originally thought you had just clicked back one too many revisions. After I read your edit summaries, and the other articles and refs again, I semi-reverted myself. I was honestly just trying to make it a little more readable (understandable) for the average reader, I did not mean to step on any toes. - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:19, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- All good. I did a few corrections to your edit. Guns & Glory (talk) 02:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)