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- Thank you, but I don´t think I have anything to contribute at this point. Is it really ALL people that goes to hell in these books?Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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Please read my reply to your posting(s) today at the Talk:The Godfather page. No hard feelings I trust? Sincerely, Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 18:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
A desperate act from this user to placate you, don't be fooled. Him and Ring are continously backing each other up, look at Ring's history, a continous edit warrior. The discussion on Godfather is an old one (look at the talk archive) and was unresolved, I came back to it after a period of trying to put similar plot edits in other film articles, and opened an RFC so that others can see the behaviour of these two. To my amazement, though unsurprisingly, they now support the inclusions you were putting forward which I and darkwarriorblake tried to earlier, but this is again just to cosy up and prevent them from seeming obstructive. Look at how they responded to me on the talk page and the talk archive. --JTBX (talk) 18:24, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the beer, no hard feelings. Consider me placated. ;-) JTBX, I´m not a very passioned editor, and I choose not to comment further right now. Good luck. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- Cheers! All the best! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 18:40, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
No problem dude. --JTBX (talk) 20:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- That´s the best kind of problem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I didn't understand that...lol. Right now I'm assuming (perhaps foolishly) good faith towards Ring and GGJ despite their attacks against me for no reason other than trying to edit an article.--JTBX (talk) 22:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC) I would appreciate more of your input, but if you don't have the time, completely understandable, bye.--JTBX (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- @ Gråbergs Gråa Sång – Ha,ha! It is the best kind, isn't it? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 09:19, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind but your page is still on My watchlist and I paid your User page a visit following a revision today. Could not resist translating, "Ur Mattoidens sånger, 1914. Dikten tillhör de "nedanförmänskliga visor" som med ett ytterst avskalat formspråk vill uttrycka djurs, växters och, som här, urbergs innersta väsen. Dikten skrevs mot slutet av Frödings liv. På Wikipedia finns en artikel om Gråbergssång ... From Mattoidens songs, 1914. The poem belongs to the "below human ballads" that with an extremely stripped-down form language expresses animals, plants and, as here, primary rock essence. The poem was written towards the end of Fröding life. On Wikipedia there is an article about Waste rock song ..!"
I don't understand the "Waste rock" bit though. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 16:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
- Heh. Waste rock refers to Gangue, which is a possible translation of gråberg (that I was completely unaware of). In context though, Fröding is talking about This, i.e. grey mountains and stonehills. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you the two hyperlinks; very informative. Pretty photograph of the dry stone wall too. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 16:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
... and we like 'hearing' you. So don't stop! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 16:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Greetings!
- Your contribution this morning on my Talk page is splendid. Thank you very much.
May I say, "iechyd a lwc dda i chi ac yn eich blwyddyn annwyl nesaf." –
– Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:21, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- Your contribution this morning on my Talk page is splendid. Thank you very much.
- Wow, google translate really impresses sometimes. Health and good luck to you and your beloved next year as well! I should try to visit Wales sometime.
- Blackadder : Have you ever been to Wales Baldrick?
- Baldrick : No, but I've often thought I'd like to.
- Blackadder : Well don't, it's a ghastly place. Huge gangs of tough sinewy men roam the valleys terrorising people with their close-harmony singing. You need half a pint of phlegm in your throat just to pronounce the placenames. Never ask for directions in Wales Baldrick, you'll be washing spit out of your hair for a fortnight. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- By the way, have you seen this gem? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7702913.stm Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:32, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- You are priceless; the Blackadder quote had me laughing out loud ("lol") but the link is too much. My ribs still hurt from laughing. Thank you for such a gem. How did you find it? It is dated Friday, 31 October 2008.
Oh, you should come to Wales. It is so different from England.
Amazing, Friday, 31 October 2008 – would you mind if I gave my best pal on Wikipedia, Martin, a link to this strand? I would do it indirectly via "your contribution this morning on my Talk page".
Cheers! –
– Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 18:36, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- You are priceless; the Blackadder quote had me laughing out loud ("lol") but the link is too much. My ribs still hurt from laughing. Thank you for such a gem. How did you find it? It is dated Friday, 31 October 2008.
- Sharing is caring. I don´t remember when I read about the sign, but it´s hard to forget. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
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Check it out Wikipedia_talk:Userboxes/Ideas#Apocalypse. Regards Eduemoni↑talk↓ 17:37, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you! I´ve responded on that page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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Glad Påsk också!
Ja. Det var mitt sätt att säga: Det är inte den enda källan... In ictu oculi (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- Ah. Well done.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Why only Ghosts here ?
Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I wonder if you can reply me, why I find GHOSTS ONLY over here? No real names, real people, emotions? Can Ghosts run Wikipedia better than actual and real people ? Dr Muhammad Ali (talk) 15:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hello! And welcome to my talkpage. Well, there are plenty (but a minority) of people that use their own names, like Suzanne Olsson, or the fellow writing above on this page, Gareth Griffith-Jones. At least I think they do. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. I also think they are real people. My username is a line from a poem I´ve liked since highschool. I generally prefer anonymity when I post on different web-forums, there´s a kind of freedom (that I try not to abuse) in having such discussions in their own separate world, so to speak. Even if you dislike what I write, you won´t stop by and spraypaint my house. Or write mean things about me that my boss finds when he googles my name. Well, you still may, but at least it is a little harder. I, and I think a lot of people with me, would not edit Wikipedia if we were forced to register with our actual names. One can call that spineless or whatever, but I can live with that. I think Wikipedia (also democracy) benefits from allowing people to comment under alias.
- Emotions. Yes, I´ve heard of those (joke). Here´s how I see it. We (editors) are very very different, as are our motivations to be here. We are allowed to edit this quite amazing site on the agreement that we make it better. To do this we use rules and discussions, often about things we care GREATLY about (take a look at the discussions at Oxfordian theory of Shakespeare authorship for example), and sometimes consider more important than life itself (we also take offense for very different things). For these discussions to accomplish anything, it is often necessary to approach them in a cool and detached way. This may make some of us seem a bit like Vulcans (or just rude) at times, but it is, when all is said and done, often helpful. Many things need and should be said, but often Wikipedia is not the place for them. They belong in personal blogs, articles, books or other forums.
- Well. I think this is the longest text I´ve ever written on Wikipedia, so I hope I understood your question. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, we have not communicated before, so please do forgive my typing here. But I would mention that I read that in the last month a Wiki-user who used his real name and participated in an Afd received a letter from the attorney of the person whose page was deleted claiming various damages. The other Wikipedians who did not use their own names in the Afd received no letters. So there are good reasons. History2007 (talk) 20:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- This diskussion, right? And please feel forgiven ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- It is all over the web in fact, even the ACM website. I think he should have told them to call the official Wikipedian law firm - pretty well known firm in fact. And thank you for the forgiveness. History2007 (talk) 21:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I read that blogpost, interesting stuff! I hope they back off. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should get the official Wikipedian law firm to send them a letter to back off, or else... History2007 (talk) 22:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, So lively and so lovely a discussion. I now believe, it very much in order to work in cognito, at least as Editors on Wikipedia. (And I have learned how to 'indent') :-) . Regards , be well. Dr Muhammad Ali (talk) 04:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- You too! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Ah yes, perhaps a few days to late now, though :P Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Here is another interesting discussion concerning anonymity. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- And perhaps another one... History2007 (talk) 21:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- I confirm that I really am Gareth Griffith-Jones –
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- I confirm that I really am Gareth Griffith-Jones –
- Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, the french story is really bizarre. I thought it was an april fools thing first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but it was on April 7. Yet, it was funny in a way because they are now mentioned here. Reminiscent of you know who, of course... History2007 (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- And Pierre-sur-Haute military radio station is now available in 28 languages. Sweet! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- I have worked out the OBITUARY comment now ... see my Talk
Well done!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones|The Welsh Buzzard|—09:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have worked out the OBITUARY comment now ... see my Talk
Lena (actress)
Heya! I was interested in getting your thoughts on how Lena's name should read in the intro sentence. I changed it to Lena Kumar in the article per her request, but have also noticed that the name Lena Abhilash has much stronger sources and is used more frequently. Was thinking of something like: "Lena Abhilash, known professionally as Lena Kumar, or Lena, is..." ? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- That works for me, I looked at Martin Sheen to have something to compare to. I´m assuming that Lena Abhilash is her "legal" name, but I have no idea how that works in India. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, she claims that "My official name is Lena Kumar", so maybe that should be "Lena Kumar, or Lena (previously Lena Abhilash), is...". Then again, "official" can mean several things. It´s not crystal-clear, this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- It is puzzling, I agree. Lena Kumar, aka Lena Abhilash is documented to be married to Kumar Abhilash, but we're being asked to delete mentions of Kumar Abhilash. Reasonably speaking, if she came into notoriety as Lena Abhilash, and if the reliable sources support Abhilash, then maybe Lena Abhilash is a reasonable name to start the lead with? Alternatively, if we can find a birth name, it would also seem reasonable (a la Madonna (entertainer) or Roseanne Barr) that Lena's birth name be mentioned first, then her other names. "Lena Birthsurname (known professionally as Lena Abhilash, Lena Kumar, and Lena) is..." Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Today is a holiday, so why shouldn´t I spend some of it googling an Indian actress I never knew existed until yesterday? This strange willingness is what´s makes Wikipedia go round. From what I can see in the articles sources, "Lena" wins by far (and the one-name-thing seems fairly common among indian actresses), and one source call her "Lena Abhilash".
- Comparing google results for ""lena kumar" actress" and ""lena abhilash" actress" seems to STRONGLY favor the later, and keep in mind that our article calls her Kumar on the word of a wikipedia-user only, that´s not good. There is also a FB-page for Lena Abhilash that`s probably her. So we should not call her Kumar in our article for now, and not reinstate it until we have some WP:RS on it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Man, bummer holiday! I think you and I are on the same page on this. I saw your Talk Page note, as well. And now I shall take up no more of your holiday! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Dispute over Swedish royalty
Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång. This is from a recent report at WP:AN3. What do you make of this passage from Svenska Dagbladet: "Nu blir han en del av kungafamiljen, men om han även blir en del av kungahuset är ju inte klart. Titeln återstår att se, den meddelas enligt riksmarskalken först i samband med bröllopet, konstaterar Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg." I tried out the Google Translator, and it seemed to think that O'Neill's relationship to the 'kungahuset' was not yet clear. Is that what 'inte klart' is saying? You can probably read this better! Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- You are correct, but that has since then been made clear, see [1] (he´s not a part of kungahuset). The strange thing is though, Tarras-Wahlberg seems to be wrong about him becoming a part of the (extended) royal family. She was spokesperson for the royal family for a big part of my life, and I would normally take her word for it, but this [2] should be the best WP:RS source on the subject. It sounds strange that the kings son-in-law is not a member, but that´s how these things can work, it seems. Note for example that the kings sisters are royal family, but not their spouses. I hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:04, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- I´ve raised the question here [3] as well, since the swedish article says he IS a member of the royal family, unsourced though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- The quote above from Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg says "Nu blir han en del av kungafamiljen, men om han även blir en del av kungahuset är ju inte klart". If we can trust that, would you read her as having said he is definitely in 'kungafamiljen' but his status in 'kungahuset' is still not clear? EdJohnston (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- What she says is "Now he will become a part of kungafamiljen (called Current members and Extended family in Swedish Royal Family), but if he will also be a part of kungahuset (called Current members in Swedish Royal Family) is not clear."
- Yes, she is saying that he is definitely in kungafamiljen, and she should normally be trusted on this subject, but according to the website maintained by the court she is wrong (as in he is not mentioned as a member of kungafamiljen). Could be because a lack of updates, but that seems unlikely.
- Yes, she is saying that his status in kungahuset is still not clear, and that was true when she said it. It is no longer true since the court issued a pressrelease that made it clear (he´s out). Glad Midsommar! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- So, unless the court web site is updated, we should still not say he is in the kungafamiljen? EdJohnston (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- Right, we shouldn´t. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- So, unless the court web site is updated, we should still not say he is in the kungafamiljen? EdJohnston (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- What she says is "Now he will become a part of kungafamiljen (called Current members and Extended family in Swedish Royal Family), but if he will also be a part of kungahuset (called Current members in Swedish Royal Family) is not clear."
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Hi. Thanks for adding the infoformation about khat now being illegal in the UK to the Somalis in the United Kingdom article. I knew it was being made so, but the legislation had passed me by. I have restructured the section a bit to try to make it flow a bit better. I hope you don't mind, and please do feel free to make further edits or revert my changes if you don't agree. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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I haven't looked at that article for awhile. It seems more is afoot than mere puffery. I suggest we take the discussion to the relevant talkpage to inform interested editors.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Right. I've added a filmography, and eyed over the biography - there's a bit more in the French article, but it's uncited, and the only thing I can find mentioning it I think stole the Wikipedia content from the French article. The French article has more biography, but mainly because it uses the list in reference 5 as article text, and includes a summary of the sociology degree. One possibility might be to add the filmography to the biography section. (I've now done so) Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, Adam Cuerden! The current shape of the article seems much better to me, and it´s a positive surprise that so many of "her" movies are bluelinked. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:56, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- I think part of it was fixing up the structure of the French Wikipedia article once all the uncited or simply bad bits were removed. There's so much more material in the French article criticising her failed predictions; A lot of it seemed to be borderline original research or had no real prominence. I'm sure it's correct, mind, but it needed cut down. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
this is an interesting article -
Here: [4]. It's about the former boss of the person we were discussing. One may or may not use it to draw one's own conclusions about things. LavaBaron (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
African Americans
Please see the talk page. Reverting a third time would violate Wikipedia guidelines. Eodcarl (talk) 21:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
- Talkpage it is, Eodcarl. If you´re refering to WP:3RR you´re wrong, i reverted you once. You, however, didn´t follow the essay WP:BRD, and it´s often a good idea to do so. Happy editing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:36, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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Fixed it, thank you ! How does the overall report look ? Sagecandor (talk) 08:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sagecandor, it seems reasonable to me. Like in the very recent one (you should probably try to stay off AE for awhile after this one, advice worth every penny you paid for it) you´re generally short and to the point. I think your "TL;DR" summary gives a good explanation why you see this as a continuing problem. Editors with similar interests will run into each other on different topics, but nobody wants the feeling of being stalked. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:21, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed, thank you. Sagecandor (talk) 09:40, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Incidentally, by "stalking" you I´ve now learned of Rhinogradentia. Charming! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed, thank you. Sagecandor (talk) 09:40, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Logjammin' from The Big Lebowski ("The plot is ludicrous; you can imagine where it goes from here. -- He fixes the cable?") ZarhanFastfire (talk) 00:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- ZarhanFastfire Todays list-gem: List of planet killers. I´m very pleased, it had Futurama on it. And, of course, List of names for the biblical nameless. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- HOLY SHIT PETER STORMARE IN A PORNO!!! The universe just exploded. And there´s a t-shirt. [5] And it´s sourceable. [6] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:27, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- ZarhanFastfire Well, we´ll see if this sticks: [7]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- Honestly, the heading which defines the topic is going to need to be reworded at minimum to stay there or else it sounds like it's a whole other topic, and it invites a list of random fictional porn, which is beyond the scope of that article. It could stay there as long as you limit it to parodic references to the parody-porn genre in mainstream TV and film.
- Strictly yes, but since the article's topic is porn based on mainstream film/tv fiction, a subsection on mainstream film/tv fiction based on porn is not totally outlandish. I think all the current examples have pornparodies themselves, which also makes it a closer topic. And, should it swell with lots of good sourced material (needn´t happen, the section should be fairly small per UNDUE), then we have an article (or list, if that´s better). Finding sources for fictional porn is a small enough field as it is, finding sources for "parodic references to the parody-porn genre" will be next to impossible, i think. The Friends-cite doesn´t do that, for example. Though it´s obvious to many people, it´s OR territory. We´ll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- It seems far from certain that what Friends did counts as a parody btw: [8] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- Honestly, the heading which defines the topic is going to need to be reworded at minimum to stay there or else it sounds like it's a whole other topic, and it invites a list of random fictional porn, which is beyond the scope of that article. It could stay there as long as you limit it to parodic references to the parody-porn genre in mainstream TV and film.
German Occupied Territory
I completely agree with you: It´s a fine text, but if you add this to "Background" that section will be very France-heavy. " Thank you.Henia Perlman (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Is it possible, Henia Perlman, to post this at Talk:German-occupied Europe, which is I assume is the related article (as there is no German-occupied territory article) and has been part of an ongoing discussion about putting info about French North Africa / Tunisia there.
- That way, anyone following the article talk page can be part of the discussion. Thanks so much.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- I have a talkpage watcher!? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, and Carole is right. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:54, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
re Books on Trump
In case you weren´t aware of this early masterpiece ;-) [9] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:51, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion, but do you think that one is "notable" for Wikipedia's WP:GNG ? Sagecandor (talk) 02:54, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
- No, it´s not serious. The series of books had it´s fanbase, was even translated to swedish, but this one is pretty much forgotten. It´s in Donald Trump in popular culture though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
- Oh okay haha cute thanks. Sagecandor (talk) 15:54, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
- No, it´s not serious. The series of books had it´s fanbase, was even translated to swedish, but this one is pretty much forgotten. It´s in Donald Trump in popular culture though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
"Colourful" doesn't necessarily mean orange
Re this: Millions of articles, and you had to link to that one. RivertorchFIREWATER 15:32, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
- Rivertorch, thanks for a good chuckle. I didn´t make that connection, just thought "people will recognize this article". It´s not a bad look, but they need to work on templates at the bottom of the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:39, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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- Cullen328 You owe me bigtime, casting the deciding vote and all that. Congratulations, and please don´t leave the Teahouse. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:37, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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- Congratulations on your Barnstorm award. As a new editor, I certainly appreciate your help! Juliet Sabine (talk) 04:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Mediumship and Gustaf Fröding
Re [10]: yeah, we also have a substantial wikipedia article about mediumship. And you can buy medium ships on E-bay![11] Unusual to see a username from Fröding, btw! Bishonen | talk 11:02, 10 September 2017 (UTC).
- Mm, de flesta wikipedianer föredrar Geijer.[12] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:16, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello, How do I do an UNDO?
- Hello, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. On a page I'm working on, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liposuction, someone undid several hyperlinks I had added to help clarify some of the dangerous outcomes of liposuction; they used this code ~ WP:OVERLINK to explain their reason for the undo. Although the words are common, with regards to liposuction, they may not be benign. Bruising and bleeding, for example, can be life threatening due to these adipose removal procedures. In any case, I am learning about the over-links. I see on the liposuction page, several places that hyperlinks are used that seem superfluous to me and others I have spoken with about this. One is that the word French has a hyperlink. Another is that the word model also has a hyperlink. I would think it would serve to clean up and clarify a page by removing these tangential hyperlinks. Is this something I would bring up on the Talk page, or is this a minor edit, that I may do myself, with an explanation citing WP:OVERLINK?
- Also, I wonder if you might clarify for me this: are three small edits within a twenty-four hour period all that is allowed? Some day I have time to edit, and others I do not. It would be more time efficient to make more than three small edits in a day. Thank you so much, Juliet Sabine (talk) 21:00, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Juliet Sabine! WP is full of nuggets of wisdom like WP:OVERLINK, and as a new editor, you'll probably encounter even more. Let me give you another: Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Do as many small or big improvements to articles as you think is reasonable (only time will give you a feel for what is "reasonable" in different WP-areas), and if they stick, all is well and good. If you're reverted and disagree with that, slow down and talk. Large-ish changes to (for example) a medical topic can be a good idea to discuss beforehand. Being reverted is part of life on WP, even Jytdog gets reverted ;-) It´s important not to WP:EDITWAR, that´s where the "three edits", WP:3RR comes from.
- On the specific, go ahead and de-link as you judge is best. I agree on "french". "Model" is IMO more grey-area, in context it´s not useless, but far from essential. I considered changing it to "patient", but "model" hints at why it had an impact. To quote the sitcom Absolute Power: It´s my duty as a reporter to inform the public of this horrible new disease... especially if it´s started to affect celebrities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:47, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I'm sure I'll ask more as soon as I have time. Juliet Sabine (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi again, Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I have another question about editing. Here is the situation, I'm considering putting the following on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Liposuction page. I wanted to make sure that I'm following protocol as I am on a learning curve on Wikipedia. -- "There is a photo in the upper right hand corner of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liposuction page that is captioned, "Suction-assisted lipectomy of bilateral outer thighs." When people search "liposuction" on the internet, this photo shows up. The visual results shown are not typical of a spectrum of long-term results post-liposuction. The photos appear to be promotional and non-objective, put up by Otto Placik, who was banned from editing on Wikipedia. [1] Adipose tissue is an important endocrine organ. Animal studies have repeatedly shown that, among a wide variety of animals, the removal of fat in one depot results in both increased fat volume and number in other depots. It seems as though those who profit from these procedures ignore this data. A University of Colorado, well-respected study - [2]- confirmed this “weight redistribution” phenomena in 100% of the women. People commonly suffer from over-resection and uneven resection due to liposuction, which is documented. I propose we get a variety of photos that show a spectrum of results, including disfiguration and that long-term AT (Adipose Tissue) redistribution, since short-term results do not last. I propose these photos are taken down until this is discussed and resolved. Thank you." Juliet Sabine (talk) 00:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.dailydot.com/irl/wikipedia-plastic-surgery-otto-placik-labiaplasty/
- ^ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22539589 Hernandez TL, Kittelson JM, Law CK, Ketch LL, Stob NR, Lindstrom RC, Scherzinger A, Stamm ER, Eckel RH. Fat Redistribution Following Suction Lipectomy: Defense of Body Fat and Patterns of Restoration. Obesity. 2011 Jul 1;19(7):1388–95.
- Additionally, how do I get my references to show up as hyperlinks? Thanks again. Juliet Sabine (talk) 00:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- Goodmorning Juliet Sabine! Looks fine for talkpage to me. That particular image is the WP:LEADIMAGE. Articles don´t have to have one (can´t always), but the general sentiment is that it is nice if they do. You may guess from that link that what is a good/the best leadimage can be difficult to agree on. For example, WP-articles such as african-american used to have a collage of notables, but after long discussions editors decided that screw it, this is a waste of time, fiat MOS:NOETHNICGALLERIES. The leadimage at Muhammad also took a bit of discussion [13].
- These are extreme examples, most often it´s much easier (somebody is WP:BOLD and that´s that, or anything inbetween[14]), but a discussion about what is a "natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see" for Liposuction may take time and patience, and the result may be a disappointing no consensus = no change at this time (or of course, a consensus that the images are good enough/best available). But I say go for it, the WP:COI "angle" deserves to be looked at. If you have any images to suggest as replacement, that could help. If you like, you can put a "I started an image-discussion at Liposuction, I welcome your input." message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine as well.
- Your dailydot did turn in to hyperlink, but the software automagically puts it at the bottom of the page [Insert nov 22: now moved upward with a clever piece of code by PaleoNeonate]. On a talkpage you can just [15] or interesting article if you like, but we don´t put links like that in the text of an article. More at Help:Referencing for beginners and Help:Link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:09, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- And thanks for that article, interesting! I´ve put it on Wikipedia:Press coverage 2013 and Talk:Labiaplasty (This article has been mentioned by a media organization). Ah, 2013, the year of Pierre-sur-Haute_military_radio_station#Controversy_over_French-language_version_of_Wikipedia_article... Good times... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- One more thing, BTW, the animal studies. Unless you have a solid source that discuss/connects these animal studies to human liposuction, don´t bother with that part. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- I appreciate your help very much. Is it okay if I ask you more questions in the future? If so, should I start a new thread? I just added the link to the study so it shows up in the footnotes too. There are other images on the liposuction page that can be used. Since Otto's photo's have been deemed to be promotional on other pages and he was banned as an editor, would that not be reason to get have this photo removed from the page? Would it be reason to have it removed from the archives? Of the twenty-nine liposuction pages I found from around the world, Otto's photo is used on four of them. Juliet Sabine (talk) 05:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Another question, a few months ago the whole Liposuction Talk page was deleted. Do you know why this action would have been taken? It erased this discussions and objections that were up. Would that page be achieved anywhere? Who makes the decisions to erase the history? Juliet Sabine (talk) 06:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- You´re welcome to ask, if I have nothing to say, I´ll say that. WP:TEAHOUSE is a good place to ask, and you´re likely to get more input than just one editors opinion. New thread is good if it´s a new(-ish) topic. Either way works.
- WP:COI/WP:PAID/WP:ADVOCACY stuff is a bit complicated. It is, as the article you linked show (see Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia for many more examples) a BIG problem. But it´s not automatically forbidden per se, though there are a bunch of rules and restrictions involved. People like Otto can in theory add "good stuff" to WP, and he probably did to some extent, that´s why he could do it for so long. So, is this image mostly WP:PROMOTIONAL for Otto and others in the profession, or is it more a good WP:LEADIMAGE in an area where "free" images are rare and hard to come by? I have no idea. It can be a baby and bathwater thing. I´ll tell you this though, neither Doc James nor Jytdog are any friends of Otto´s actions. Read their userpages if you haven´t, they´re pretty interesting.
- Not deleted I think, archived per Help:Archiving a talk page. I´m guessing Jytdog (see the talkpages "view history" tab) saw the talkpage, thought "This should be archived" and did it. See the "Archives: 1" in the big yellow box on the talkpage? The "1" is a link to the current archive page. That talkpage is now archived automatically, threads without comment for 60 days will be archived. If you want to refer to old discussions again, you can of course do that, "As I noted at Talk:Liposuction/Archive_1#dangers..." or whatever. Some subjects are discussed more than others (Talk:Donald Trump). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I want to put a few phrases in brackets to show that I have new pages planned for each topic. I have seen that those words are then hyperlinked in red. What is the WP code that I write in the description of the changes to explain this action? For example, I plan to make a page for lidocaine toxicity, and another for post surgical weight gain, (that is due to liposuction), as currently there are no references for these terms. Thank you, Juliet Sabine (talk) 20:44, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hmm. A WP:REDLINK is meant to be read as "somebody should create this artcle, please do that", more or less. There is, as far as I know, no extracode to indicate "I intend to do this soon." In your case, I would read Wikipedia:Your first article, follow the directions to create a draft, and start writing. At some point you might want to ask for input, like "how does this look", Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine is a good place for that. You can also look at WP-articles on similar topics and try to "copy their style". Try to find WP:GA and WP:FA, they´re the best to "copy", though those articles are generally quite extensive. Getting your first WP-article accepted is a challenge. A little more on that here:Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_624#Article
- I note that while lidocaine toxicity doesn´t have article, lidocaine does. Perhaps you should start with writing a section in that article? Again, I know nothing about the subject, and from what I see at google books [16], WP:GNG shouldn´t be a problem for your article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Also, how do I approach, (on The Talk page, perhaps), an unsourced line that reads like a talking sales points of those who profit from the procedures? The whole line, (under Complications), reads,"Puncture of an internal organ: since the surgeon cannot see the cannula, sometimes it damages an internal organ, such as the intestines during abdominal liposuction. Such damage can be corrected surgically, although in rare cases it can be fatal. An experienced cosmetic surgeon is unlikely to puncture any internal organ." It is not, however, proven that an experienced cosmetic surgeon is unlikely to puncture any internal organ; this line misleads the public to trust a group of surgeons classified together only by sake of their longevity. Liposuction power tools increase risk for organ punctures, as do surgeons who are careless and unskillful, no matter how many years they have been in the field, or what their credentials are. The risky procedures rely on a surgeon using their "blind hand" to guide the cannula -- organ and viscera puncture is a clear and serious complication of this surgery, the quantifier of leading people to believe that some type of certificate protects them is incorrect and seems biased, not neutral. Also, while technically the cannula is the instrument that punctures it is the surgeon who does the puncturing -- it's worng to use the passive voice in this case. Juliet Sabine (talk) 21:37, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Here´s what I would do: Remove "An experienced cosmetic surgeon is unlikely to puncture any internal organ." with an editsummary like "This is unsourced, but it also seems like WP:OR and sounds like a salespitch making a statement on human health" If someone reverts, try to talk about it, but I don´t think anyone will. And I see that the leadimage has changed. Pinging Juliet Sabine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:57, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- I see one thing at Liposuction you can do if you like. Per WP:LEAD, the lead is meant to be a summary of the body of the article. Basically, nothing in the article should be only in the lead. You could move the bit about Dujarier from the lead to "History", or leave the lead as it is and expand on Dujarier in that section.
- Thank you, Gråbergs Gråa Sång, for your help and the links to pages that will serve my edits. I just made the edits that we spoke of above -- we'll see what happens now. There is much to improve on this page. I'm taking it slowly. And, yes, the leadimage has been changed. I don't know if I'm doing the right thing by alternating our conversation indents back and fourth or not; If I keep indenting further, that allows less and less space on each line for text Juliet Sabine (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
You´re welcome, Juliet Sabine. Indenting isn´t that important with just two people, but when multiple indenting becomes annoying you can always OUTDENT. One aspect of using indenting is that experienced wikipedians see it as professional and polite "good manners". Like all "cultures" we have a bunch of unspoken stuff (actually, much is written down somewhere, but where is impossible to know for a new arrival, learning by doing and asking is the way). Minor thing, you never need to "ping" someone on their own usertalkpage, the user get´s a notice just for the comment being made. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hi. I just moved a shorter a portion of text and from the Recovery section to the WP:LEAD section of the Liposuction page. I'd like to make sure the source is cited correctly. I can't see to get the paragraph I want to open up by clicking on edit source. Can you help me? The source is cited once in the Recovery section at the end of this last paragraph: "The suctioned fat cells are permanently gone, however, the study done at University of Colorado Denver entitled, "Following Suction Lipectomy: Defense of Body Fat and Patterns of Restoration," found that fat came back for all participants after it was suctioned out; it took some time, but it all returned despite maintaining the previous diet and exercise regimen. At 1-year out, overall body fat returned to the same level as before treatment. While the fat returned somewhat to the treated area, most of the increased fat occurred in the abdominal area. Visceral fat - the fat surrounding the internal organs - increased, and this condition has been linked to multiple life-shortening diseases such as diabetes, stroke, and heart attack." Thank you! Juliet Sabine (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- This seems a little moot now per [17] (but you know where the talkpage is). I think I agree with Jytdog here, the lead already states "Evidence does not support an effect on weight". As a crude rule of thumb, it´s often unnecessary to mention specific sources/studies in the lead. Actually, in a stable, well-developed article cites in lead are not mandatory per WP:LEADCITE, but Liposuction is not that, so don´t start removing them ;-). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:11, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
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For all the times you did not lose your patience and were kind and tried to help me as a new editor.
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For all your help on the Bible and violence article. I greatly appreciate it.Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Thank you, Jenhawk! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:35, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Need help removing and replacing a photo
Need help removing and replacing a picture
Hello, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I suggest removing the LEAD PHOTO from the Liposuction page that seems like WP:OR and a visual sales pitch as it doesn't show anything about liposuction. I suggest replacing it with the photo in the suture section of that page that shows the cannula inserted to what they say is 80%, which shows more of the process than a surgeon in goggles and scrubs. I don't know how to exchange pictures yet. Is this something you can help me with? Also on the breast reduction page, there are before and after photos that are promotional and misleading. I have taken a snapshot from a video of the procedure in process from that media section of that page and have it ready to replace the LEAD PHOTOS, but I also don't know how to do that. Thank you. Oh, I just this response!
- Pictures are normally just [[File:imagename.jpg]] links (that are turned into an inline display by the software), but there's some amount of magic when templates (or the <gallery> tag) are involved. I agree the top one is promotional, the one you suggest is a bit graphic. I'll comment further on the talk page. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- It seems you got help on the liposuction talkpage, Juliet Sabine. I've never in my wikilife added an image I didn´t find on Wikimedia Commons, so I´m the wrong person to ask about new images. You can start at Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials#Donating_your_photographs and/or Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. I do know, however, that WP is in most cases very very unwilling to use images that aren´t "free", that is, actually donated by the copyright owner or in the public domain. If you own the copyright to the video in question, such an image may be used (subject to the usual editorial consensus), otherwise I think wou´re wasting your time in the long run. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:24, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- BTW, when you copy power~enwiki's message like this (hyperlinks, date and all), it looks like they themself commented on this talkpage, this can lead to confusion (it confused me, I wanted to use "thank" on the view history-tab, and couldn't find their edit!). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, as always for the lessons that are adding up and helping me to navigate a bit on Wik. So sorry about the confusion with powrer-enwiki's message! It was late and I did it quickly, still very much learning how to nagative here. Juliet Sabine (talk) 18:27, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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I thought it possible you might be interested in knowing about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Jytdog_Ban_breaking/request_of_Enforcement_and_further_actions
So when do you think removing those tags will be appropriate--I mean--I'm not too excited or anything--maybe just a little... :-)Jenhawk777 (talk) 10:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- I often check ANI as a source of WP-entertainment. Generally wouldn´t go there myself unless I received a legal threat or something. I remember once when Jytdog was accused of ethnical insensivity for using the phrase "that´s greek to me", that was fun.
- Now, you seem to have this opinion that just because I, voluntarily, in a public forum, say that I will do something, I should actually do it!? Most unreasonable. Anyway, stay tuned. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:08, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Do you agree?
Jytdog is removing everything I've written. Do you agree it's bad?Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Well Jenhawk777, that was a bit like an angry diety rising from a golden box, wasn´t it? Good job on keeping your cool, I do like it when people stay polite [18].
- I don´t really know what to recommend, except time and patient editing/discussion. If you think it´s a good idea, per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle you could certainly reinstate all or some of the sections removed. I know you've reached out to people and noticeboards for more input on several occasions, but the response has sadly been pretty lukewarm. A regretful fact of life on WP, people will edit what they damn well please when they damn well please (actually, that can be helpful as well). I wish Aleph would participate but I think he sort of burned out on Exodus awhile back. Who knows, maybe later. I think others are watching and maybe some will be spurred into action. You and Jytdog (again, apparently) are currently the ones who cares, for good and bad. I have some interest in the parts I find interesting, but when I find this area to bothersome I'll happily edit Lucifer (TV series) or Saturday Night Live parodies of Donald Trump for a while and maybe come back later.
- About the stuff currently under Talk:The_Bible_and_violence#Moved_here_for_improvement. I find the "herem" bit rather interesting and on-topic, something like this should have a place in the article since there´s a lot of herem going on in it. My WP-radar asks "Who is Eric Siebert and why is he first in this?". Chamas and Shalom starts with long quotes from something, this is rarely good (and I noticed that "Non-violence and Shalom" as written is just one long quote). I have no knowledge about if the sources used are "to religous" or not. Jytdog may have a point or part of one, but here my ignorance kicks in. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Since you questioned those parts, I removed them, and then replaced those sections on the page. Definitions should be there and should represent the source material on them. A definition will be a definition will be a definition no matter the source but I told him I will change to his dictionary if he prefers. It won't matter I'm sure. If he reverts them again after my trying to cooperate, I will attempt posting an Rfc, but it will only help if third parties actually show up. I don't know how long I can endure the bullying no matter how much I care, but I will try. An angry god indeed... :-) One person showed up and asked 'Jytdog why are you so angry?' and after his response I doubt they will return. I know how they feel. And that's how he always gets his way. My sense of responsibility toward that is limited though.Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:12, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Please discuss article content at the article. Sidebars are not productive. Jytdog (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Jytdog, if we wish to discuss article-content on my talkpage we will do so. If there is reason, it can be brought to the attention of the relevant talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Of course people can use user talk pages all kinds of ways. Sidebars held there about article content are generally not productive as they lead to false sense of consensus, formation of GANGs, and otherizing, especially when "social media" chatting gets mixed in. Further, things that get worked out there are not part of the article talk page history, making it hard to figure out where consensus was developed for people who come to the article later. But sure people are free to do that. I just asked that you discuss content at the article. Jytdog (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- I don´t think you have to worry about false sense of consensus in this particular case. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:16, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Of course people can use user talk pages all kinds of ways. Sidebars held there about article content are generally not productive as they lead to false sense of consensus, formation of GANGs, and otherizing, especially when "social media" chatting gets mixed in. Further, things that get worked out there are not part of the article talk page history, making it hard to figure out where consensus was developed for people who come to the article later. But sure people are free to do that. I just asked that you discuss content at the article. Jytdog (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Jytdog, if we wish to discuss article-content on my talkpage we will do so. If there is reason, it can be brought to the attention of the relevant talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Please discuss article content at the article. Sidebars are not productive. Jytdog (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- Since you questioned those parts, I removed them, and then replaced those sections on the page. Definitions should be there and should represent the source material on them. A definition will be a definition will be a definition no matter the source but I told him I will change to his dictionary if he prefers. It won't matter I'm sure. If he reverts them again after my trying to cooperate, I will attempt posting an Rfc, but it will only help if third parties actually show up. I don't know how long I can endure the bullying no matter how much I care, but I will try. An angry god indeed... :-) One person showed up and asked 'Jytdog why are you so angry?' and after his response I doubt they will return. I know how they feel. And that's how he always gets his way. My sense of responsibility toward that is limited though.Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:12, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Hey Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Hate to seem persistent or annoying but just wanted to follow up regarding the discussion on Arne & Carlos' talk page. Once again, the article was originally a stub which I was tasked to update and now that the deletion review is over, I was hoping some of the changes on this draft could be implemented, or at the very least, have the article updated so it is no longer classified a stub. Please let me know if I provide you with anything to make this easier but your help would be much appreciated. Any advice would also be very helpful. Thank you. JacobMW (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- Hello JacobMW, there´s no harm in asking. I understand your position, but this is not my normal area of interest I won´t promise to do anything right now. They seem like nice guys though, for some reason the image makes me think of Anders Jacobsson and Sören Olsson. One thing I remember from the deletion-discussion (they survived that, that´s something), was that they´re supposedly on "permanent display" at National Museum of Art, Architecture and Design. If you can find a good source for that (not their webpage), I think it´s worth adding. If you haven´t, consider also asking for help at the talkpage of the norwegian WP-article (check the article-history too, BTW, perhaps there´s active editors to ask), and/or some fitting noticeboard there, perhaps Torget. Small thing, you don´t need to ping an editor on their own talkpage. Good luck och God Jul! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:12, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Rfc
Will you vote? Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:59, 15 December 2017 (UTC) Oh and--I did what you suggested. I posted it around. Thanx for the idea.Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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- Thank you *Treker, God Jul och Gott Nytt År to you too! No trouble from the DI-thugs I hope? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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- Men då så. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
- Nä, allt är bra. :) Tack.★Trekker (talk) 14:09, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you *Treker, God Jul och Gott Nytt År to you too! No trouble from the DI-thugs I hope? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks, Gareth! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:39, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
request review
If you get a chance--I made those changes, and now also have a decent Hebrew source--can you take a look? Just skim!! [[19]] Then I can get moving on the new references. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:47, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- It´s at Talk:The_Bible_and_violence#Survey. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:09, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
HNY
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- Thank you, PaleoNeonate, same to you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
attempt at closure
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Hi! I am responding to the note you put on the Bible and violence here instead of there because I am confused! You are asking for agreement that I should put that stuff back--but I already did! Was I supposed to do this first? Did I screw up? Should I quick go take it back out?!? I put out --like, a notice there, saying I was going to put it back based on the comments--that I had made all the changes everyone suggested and unless someone objected I was going to reinsert. I waited for a week or so, no one objected, so I did! It's there under Terms. Have you not looked at the article itself in awhile? Or am I misunderstanding? Is this about the headings I removed? I did that for Jytdog it was one of the things he criticized. I'm a little at sea here--help!Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Jenhawk777 I swear I´m not drunk, but somehow I missed that it was back in the article. Embarrassed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hah! :-) Okay quick--go erase that so no one else will know! It comforts me to know someone as competent as you can make mistakes like I do! So thank you for that--I'm sure you did it on purpose just to boost my confidence here because you are so kind--right? :-) Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Erased it, but they will know since I pinged them :P But this explains why I couldn´t find the text in your sandbox any longer. That should have been a clue. Oh well, live and learn. Even the Sun has spots. And if your confidence rose as much as mine sank, you´re on amphetamines right now. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- So you didn't read it for awhile--all that shows is you're not as OCD as I am. That's a virtue. To err is human--let yourself be human every now and then--otherwise I will start believing you are a robot--and then I'll know I'm inferior. :-) Hey do me a favor and send Alephb that video of Jean Luc and singing "make it so" will you? I used it on the talk page with him and he needs to hear it. He so deserved it too! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:49, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Besides--how many mistakes of mine have you caught by now? You don't bust a gut--you just tell me to fix it. Treat yourself as well as you treat others--please. You deserve that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Pionius
I think I have done what I can do there--have any ideas to move on to next? Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Humor/Humour in the Bible. I think there´s enough sources for at least a stub that meets WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I know you said you were interested in that, but I am unsure how it would be possible to research. I'll give it a go, see what turns up. I'm sorry I was unable to finish the Samuel references before getting banned on B&V. I should have done them immediately. It will be a good thing for me to be gone from there though. You can finish them or wait and see if I am brave enough to go back after a month. Or stupid enough... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I haven´t read every detail in that ruckus, but note that the "judgement" was mostly "a moderate headache on both your houses" and nobody has suggested block or topicban or anything like it, so take heart. Personally, I think a "Stop it. NOW." from an admin would have been sufficient, but as you may have noticed, our dear pedia is not perfect in all it´s aspects. We'll get there though, all that´s lacking is a Borg assimilation to aid consensus-building.
- If you´re interested in the more "esoteric" side, check out Unknown years of Jesus, Swoon theory and Roza Bal. And today I found Alcohol in the Bible. BTW, here´s the humour-sources I found earlier:[20]. The goal is to make a better article than at Conservapedia: [21]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- For your enjoyment, here´s a little biblical geekery: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2017_November_15#Breastplate. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Piomius?!? Did I do that? You not only made me feel better, you made me smile. I wish all good things for you! :-) I am not much interested in the unknown years of Jesus. I read up on it and wrote on it on Quora-- well now wait a minute, I may be too hasty there. It's mostly one guy's travel-log that started the whole hullabaloo, and it's got lots of controversy that eventually comes to nothing. But I could go a lot deeper on it. It could be done. It might be worthy of attention. The humor thing sounds great really and it looks like you have some decent sources--it seems like it would be more fun. I have also read and written a lot on swoon theory. It would be a pretty easy one. I don't know who Roza Bal is. Generally I like things I know nothing about--that's the most fun in my mind. Because, Yes, I am a geek! I like other geeks! Geeks rule! But not Conservapedia--they do not do quality work. Not what I have seen anyway. Thanx. This has me a bit down. It reminds me of grade school--submit to the bully or get in trouble with the teacher for fighting with him--either way you're screwed. Wiki is more like real life than we give it credit for. I should have remembered resistance is futile... You pick--any of those would be good. Start something and tell me where it is and I will work. Time will pass. Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:30, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- I´m not sure if you noticed that these were wikilinks (as in read/edit if interesting): Unknown years of Jesus, Swoon theory, Roza Bal, Alcohol in the Bible. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Piomius?!? Did I do that? You not only made me feel better, you made me smile. I wish all good things for you! :-) I am not much interested in the unknown years of Jesus. I read up on it and wrote on it on Quora-- well now wait a minute, I may be too hasty there. It's mostly one guy's travel-log that started the whole hullabaloo, and it's got lots of controversy that eventually comes to nothing. But I could go a lot deeper on it. It could be done. It might be worthy of attention. The humor thing sounds great really and it looks like you have some decent sources--it seems like it would be more fun. I have also read and written a lot on swoon theory. It would be a pretty easy one. I don't know who Roza Bal is. Generally I like things I know nothing about--that's the most fun in my mind. Because, Yes, I am a geek! I like other geeks! Geeks rule! But not Conservapedia--they do not do quality work. Not what I have seen anyway. Thanx. This has me a bit down. It reminds me of grade school--submit to the bully or get in trouble with the teacher for fighting with him--either way you're screwed. Wiki is more like real life than we give it credit for. I should have remembered resistance is futile... You pick--any of those would be good. Start something and tell me where it is and I will work. Time will pass. Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:30, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- I know you said you were interested in that, but I am unsure how it would be possible to research. I'll give it a go, see what turns up. I'm sorry I was unable to finish the Samuel references before getting banned on B&V. I should have done them immediately. It will be a good thing for me to be gone from there though. You can finish them or wait and see if I am brave enough to go back after a month. Or stupid enough... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I did look at those. The writer on the missing years did a reasonable job--that's about all the material available, we could only add a paragraph or two. Swoon theory is very mediocre--we could definitely improve that one. The other two look adequate--but I like humor in the Bible. I also like humour in the Bible. :-) Let's do that--start her up mate! I will begin reading. And thank you for 'lamest edit wars'--that has helped more than anything! Jenhawk777 (talk) 00:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think I have come to the conclusion that all edit wars are lame by definition. I will never do it again. Period. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:14, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- That´s mostly the case... But sometimes people are just wrong. Still, one must pick ones battles, choose which particular hill to die on etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes--but in the talk page from now on! That worked so much better the last time--well it worked! When nothing else before had worked at all. So no revert wars--talk page battles only--and only over what is worth fighting for. I may be a slow learner--about some things--but I eventually get it. I've been on Wiki for months now! Why don't I know everything yet?! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:12, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Does humor have a link yet? Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm still phlegmatic about it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:28, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha! after all this time I just saw this! Not that kind of humor! :-) Let's start on it! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Well, there´s a first. Coffee, which edit/edits of mine prompted you to leave this alert? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm, guessing from your recent edithistory, something of a carpet-bombing kind of thing? Or more directed? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- You'll notice in the message this doesn't mean you've done anything wrong, it is only because you have edited in the topic area and need to be aware of these. (But, yes... a carpet-bombing strategy of sorts to make sure no one is left out... I have to do this every once in a while.) — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- Good enough. I did notice that, I was aware of the DS and have seen these messages before (but not on my talkpage!!!). However, since I edit in the area from time to time, it still reads like I did something now that made you feel you had to warn me. Wikipedians can be subtle and quick to anger (you probably know that). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- You'll notice in the message this doesn't mean you've done anything wrong, it is only because you have edited in the topic area and need to be aware of these. (But, yes... a carpet-bombing strategy of sorts to make sure no one is left out... I have to do this every once in a while.) — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
MOS on names
Hey! Remember when you went and asked about whether or not to include "Historian Joe Shmo" or just to say Joe Shmo? I tried to go retrieve it and it's either gone or I was looking in the wrong place. Someone is giving me grief saying it's wrong to include names in the text at all, and I wanted to use that discussion to talk about it with them. Do you think you can direct me or is it long gone. Was it on the MOS talk page? Should I look at history? I am just finishing up something and will be available to be serious about humor soon. Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:52, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- Easy enough: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_199#People_we_quote_and_paraphrase. Stuff tend to get archived sooner or later, and then the "frontpage" link won´t work anymore, but you can get helpful clues from it. If one knows where the discussion was one can check recent archives (if it was a recent discussion), perhaps do some ctrl-f:ing, or use the "search archives" for the archive if there is one, like on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style. In this case you could have copypasted and searched "Gråbergs" in that field, that would have led you right. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- Copy paste and search for you in the archive?Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ja, in this case that would get you [22]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- How cool is that! I did not know you could do that! Can you do that on anything with anyone? Whoa! That's sort of 'big brother-ish'! 1984!! Creepy!
- Have we started the humor article yet? Is there a link? Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not being very quick about it, have some scribbles in userspace, but if you or aleph want to start it, that´s fine. The reward is getting to decide spelling of "humor".
- Ja, in this case that would get you [22]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- Copy paste and search for you in the archive?Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- WP is is very open for everybody about everything apart from a few things only admins can see, if you´re so inclined you can "stalk" other editors to great extent, something that is sometimes abused. See the "User contributions" link on the left, under the WP-logo? Check that. Here you see (almost) all my edits, and if you click "diff" you see exactly what I did in each edit. You can check that on anybody. If you check the bottom of that page, you see a link for "Edit count". Check that. See also WikiScanner, Wikipediocracy. There´s more. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:54, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- BTW, you know about Help:Watchlist, right? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- I do know about watchlist, thanks--I did not know about the other things. So I saw your addition to Aleph's lengthy article on Arabella. Is there ever any time scholars don't disagree on dating? That's like the default mode--there should be some kind of shorthand for it: standard date disagreement-SDD--or some such thing that we could just type in without having to state it in every article as though it were unusual! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:12, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Jytdog, I wonder if I may have your opinion on something. A sentence added by me [23] is under discussion here Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Tom_Cable. Do you agree that it violates WP:OUTING? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:24, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
There´s now been some redactions, so you can´t see the sources anymore, but the sentence is still there on the noticeboard, at "Yes, if consensus is that"... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Tom Cable
I have removed any references to the name of the Wikipedia account which is alleged to be Cable's wife, including links to off-wiki sites which include the same information. Such references, including links to off-wiki pages which include the personal information of an editor who hasn't disclosed it on-wiki, are violations of the outing and harassment policies. Wikipedia operates on the principle that every contributor has the right to remain completely anonymous. Wikipedia's privacy policy is to protect the privacy of every user, including you. Persistently adding personal information about other contributors may result in you being blocked from editing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- While I understand the aspect of the username-thing, suppressing links to reliable sources like The Wall Street Journal even in talkpage-discussions seems against the spirit of WP to me. Oh well, it´s a somewhat complex situation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Outing is something which generally gets a strong strong reaction as can have the effect of severely chilling the editing environment for everyone. So, generally (there are exceptions), any page or link which connects a Wikipedia editor with an identity will be removed and suppressed. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:10, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- I´m good with that when it´s blogs, forums , Daily Mail and whatever. In the WSJ case? Seems wrong to me. Not using it per UNDUE is a valid position, but redacting the links themselves is just weird. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- FWIW, you may note that I removed the username from the article myself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- However, the requirement is that editors are not linked to an identity unless they do it themselves. Given that, it doesn't matter which page is being linked to, the content of the page matters. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- Still weird, principles clash. In this particular case there was also a sort-of off-WP disclosure in sources.
- However, the requirement is that editors are not linked to an identity unless they do it themselves. Given that, it doesn't matter which page is being linked to, the content of the page matters. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
- However, for completeness sake, there's still "This article has been mentioned by a media organization" and Wikipedia:Press coverage 2018. If we're going dark, let's go dark. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:56, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello, thanks so much for responding to my message about Naveen Jain. The suggestion of discussing the issue with the other editor at the article's talkpage is problematic, the editor won't engage with "less experienced" editors such as myself (I'm more experienced than my new login makes me look I'm afraid), please look at the talkpage... It would be great if any experienced editors could have a look at the page (compare it to any other page about tech entrepreneurs, I'm sure this will highlight the problem!). Thanks for your time and hope you don't mind me reaching out to you. Trufflegoblin (talk) 17:43, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- There's no harm in asking! I pretty much agree with what MPS1992 said at their talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Humor
Have you started Humor yet? Are we gonna huh? Do I get to play too? Are you already done? What's happening? Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- Down, puppy! I shall put something up in the coming week. Not a lot of WP-time right now. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:59, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha! That's my new nickname from now on--I am not the almighty dog--I am puppy! :-) What -- you have a life?! Did wiki give you permission for that? Okay! Next week--ping me--errr--ping puppy! Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
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I take it you wish I was more didactic in my research. Fair enough.Julio P. 07:10, 10 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julio Puentes (talk • contribs)
Bible and humor
I started putting some material up there and I got worried--it's still a draft isn't it? Because I didn't put the stuff I wrote in my sandbox and clean it up before putting it in the article. It's not ready to be submitted yet, so if that article is out there, I should probably go take that back out and work on it some more. You were right btw--there's lots out there and it's interesting and worth an article. There are multiple books available.Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:05, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Jenhawk777. No, it´s a mainspace article. But now I understand your edits better. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oh jeez! Why'd you dump it out there so fast?!? I hadn't put anything in and you knew I was going to! Criminittly!! Great. Just great. This does not make me happy! I will go remove what I added into my sandbox. Do you still want me to work on this? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:14, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Well, now you´re a little hard to please, I think. And of course I do. But I am a little relieved. When I saw your quote-attack earlier today I wondered WTF..? Maybe a work-in-progress kind of thing..? Or is she drunk..? I'll just wait and see. Ok, movie-time, talk to you later! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oh jeez! Why'd you dump it out there so fast?!? I hadn't put anything in and you knew I was going to! Criminittly!! Great. Just great. This does not make me happy! I will go remove what I added into my sandbox. Do you still want me to work on this? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:14, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hard to please?!? Hard to please!!! In the future, Swedish borgs must put all potential joint articles into a draft space where they can be worked on until it is agreed they are actually ready to be submitted! Puppy is growling! If I claim I was drunk would it be less humiliating? I thought it looked different than Alephb's... Jeez--nevermind--I'm an idiot... what movie? Here I am--sweating over your article--and there you are off having fun... Sigh... Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Careful, I have a rolled-up newspaper and know how to use it. Darkest Hour, it was pretty good. And as a Wikipedian there´s the added pleasure of editing the article afterwards. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- BTW, here´s an interesting BLOA: Muhammad in the Bible. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:08, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks - assuming I’ve posted this to the right place!
making this article suitable for Wikipedia. I hope I will get to return the favour.
I need to sleep now but will get on to some more sophisticated referencing tomorrow...Dylanpops Dylanpops (talk) 23:30, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- You got it right! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 00:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Cat misquotes Shakespeare?
This appears to be WP:OR written by a now-banned IPA. The Cat Empire's lyrics you removed appear to be adapted from a line from that speech but I can't find any reliable source indicating this association. Ideally one would want a source where Felix Riebl (the track's writer) discusses the Shakespearean allusion(s) of this track.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:08, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks shaidar cuebiyar, appreciate it! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
The Bible and humor
(with no 'u' in it). Hi! I got a notification in my email you had written, and I couldn't take the guilt, so I have added some to our article. If you like it I can keep on. Thank you for thinking of me. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jenhawk, hope you are well. Guilt, huh? I'll remember that for the future. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
- Guilt for abandoning you-- and a rolled up newspaper... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:06, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
- Alright, here's a Jenhawk-snack: [24]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
- I am still smiling. Who wouldn't get a lift from Gilbert and Sullivan? I love everything they wrote! And Star Trek Gen. combined? It was awesome! How do you find these things? Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
- Alright, here's a Jenhawk-snack: [24]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
- Guilt for abandoning you-- and a rolled up newspaper... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:06, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: So no front page? Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:10, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
- So I saw the changes Onceinawhile made and really like it. I answered there--the suggestion about getting rid of the history is not a good one however--it's based on not knowing what is actually said on this topic--but I will follow your lead in this. I also saw it says "expanded five times by Gråbergs Gråa Sång". Is that because you created the article in the first place? It doesn't really matter though right? No one is actually keeping track right? Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Okay--have now followed. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Jenhawk777 On the 5x, I noticed that before and wondered about it, but I think it should be read "5x expanded [as in grounds for DYK-nomination, there are a few] by Gråbergs Gråa Sång [Nominator, but not necessarily creator or expander]. Self-nominated [But he was also creator, the self-promoting hog]". Compare for example Template:Did you know nominations/Gerberding Hall where "Created" is short for "newly created". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:32, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- I guess this makes you a member of the Five-Timers Club. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:14, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- On not keeping track: Weeeelllll... Some editors really like to create new articles and have them become DYK:s, and then mark it on their userpage. Prestige, possibly. Harsh words have been used. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:10, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- There's a club? Do we get t-shirts? You deserve all the credit you can get. There would be no article if not for you--twice over--because not only did you create it, but I would not have come back and Arbela'ed it if not for you. So thank you doubly, and for sharing the credit. This time I cared. I do have a question though. Onceinawhile suggested that Alt1 and I had this idea it was going to be the lead into the article--I'm thinking now that was wrong, that it's just the Dyk sentence. Do you know? :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- And thank you for all your work. I'm so happy with what Onceinawhile did to the lead, it makes so much more WP-sense. I wanted the content, just not there. There is nothing that says that the DYK-hook and the WP:LEAD should be one and the same. I'd say quite the opposite, nothing in WP:LEAD says it should be "hooky" (well not very much, anyway). Dry, dusty and bland, that's us. In moderation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- If you like Stephen Fry (and everybody should), you may enjoy this video[25]. Comic genius. Still disapointed he never was on House, they had 8 bloody years to do that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- There's a club? Do we get t-shirts? You deserve all the credit you can get. There would be no article if not for you--twice over--because not only did you create it, but I would not have come back and Arbela'ed it if not for you. So thank you doubly, and for sharing the credit. This time I cared. I do have a question though. Onceinawhile suggested that Alt1 and I had this idea it was going to be the lead into the article--I'm thinking now that was wrong, that it's just the Dyk sentence. Do you know? :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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- Laban (Bible) it is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Re: Wikipedia:Press coverage 2018
Gråbergs Gråa Sång, thank you for adding the article from Southern Poverty Law Center. I used to donate to that organization but received too much collateral in the mail. I am always interested to find out what they are doing. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:21, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
- No problem! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Nice work! I was worried about the grammar of the month-old edit by User talk:62.7.74.180 regarding the David/Walter switch - and you properly realized that the switch itself should not be mentioned until a later paragraph! Thank you. Jmg38 (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
- Jmg38. Huh, I got more comments on that than I expected. I really thought I was on common-sense territory. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:44, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
help please
how does one tag an article for bias?Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- Any/some of these? Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup#Neutrality_and_factual_accuracy Just put the {{whatever}} at the top of the article. It may also be good to make a comment on talk or at least an explanatory editsummary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- BTW, This edit [26] made me wonder: Do you know you can use the "New section" link at the top of a talkpage? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- No, of course I didn't know that! I thought it was one of those rules that everything had to go next in line at the bottom. Jeez this place makes me feel stupid sometimes! If you say maybe that proves something I will not laugh at it! Okay maybe a little... :-) So, your answer to my question is just do it? I'll go dig around. I am trying to explain things more on the talk page before and after doing anything at a new place. Jenhawk777 (talk) 12:59, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- Do it, be prepared for disagreement/revert. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- I think I will wait till there is no other option. Thanx. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:14, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Do it, be prepared for disagreement/revert. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- No, of course I didn't know that! I thought it was one of those rules that everything had to go next in line at the bottom. Jeez this place makes me feel stupid sometimes! If you say maybe that proves something I will not laugh at it! Okay maybe a little... :-) So, your answer to my question is just do it? I'll go dig around. I am trying to explain things more on the talk page before and after doing anything at a new place. Jenhawk777 (talk) 12:59, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- I am probably going to leave this alone. Someone there has added a little more in and that's probably as good as it will get. The fact that to me it reads like a blog advocating drinking the Kool-aid is really completely beside the point, right? That's allowed for some weird reason I cannot fathom. C'est la vie on Wiki. Hey--btw--I contacted Aleph. He says he's not coming back but wished us both well. Sigh.Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:39, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- Pity about Aleph, he was so good to have around. Perhaps he'll be back, who knows. And now I'm going to template you per Wikipedia:Don't abbreviate "Wikipedia" as "Wiki"! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- I am probably going to leave this alone. Someone there has added a little more in and that's probably as good as it will get. The fact that to me it reads like a blog advocating drinking the Kool-aid is really completely beside the point, right? That's allowed for some weird reason I cannot fathom. C'est la vie on Wiki. Hey--btw--I contacted Aleph. He says he's not coming back but wished us both well. Sigh.Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:39, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- He was, and you are too--and don't fuss at me about using wiki--just because it proves I am too damn lazy to type the whole word does not mean you can make me stop using it in my personal correspondence. Are there templates for stubbornness? Send me one! I have decided it's a requirement for working on...wait for it...wiki! :-) Now that I know it bugs you I will use it repeatedly you know...Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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- Epistle it is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for thanking my edit. Rock on. UnsungKing123 (talk) 16:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- Not quite unsung, eh? I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day! [27] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:24, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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- Thank you, WikiPro04! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
DYK nomination of The Bible and humor
Hello! Your submission of The Bible and humor at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for your guidance. But unfortunately, it was not a promotional thing. Anyway, I will keep in mind your guidance and improve my addition. Rahulbtrivedi (talk) 19:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
DYK for The Bible and humor
On 26 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Bible and humor, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that it has been proposed that there are more than 1,000 examples of humor in the Bible? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Bible and humor. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Bible and humor), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Gatoclass, thank you. This was my first attempt at a DYK, glad it came through at last. However, while I did create it, Jenhawk777 5x:d it, so will you please give her one of these too? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Most excellent. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:52, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- You're the sweetest thing! :-)Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:00, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
I added it to the stats ;) - thank you for sharing the credits! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- Well, Americans have guns, you know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- Also, she wrote 85% of the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:12, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Precious
humor and the bible
Thank you for quality article The Bible and humor, for adding precision with excellent edit summaries, for demanding better sources and adding them, for "Thanks for a good laugh" and "We shall make WP even greater!!" - Brian from Sweden, you are an awesome Wikipedian!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- Brian..? Ok, I think I get it. Thank you, kind stalker! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- Should we put it in quotation marks? - GA (my initials) are for Good article, - go for it. Look at Psalm 84 which recently made it (especially the longish review). I guess a few more sources wouldn't hurt, and - if there - a few more images, - first impression. From the cabal of the outcasts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- ps: did you see any hint at humor/irony regarding that psalm? At least one comment says that it was all written when the temple was destroyed, so praising the courts of the Lord is bitter irony. - I may go for FA eventually, but not for the next weeks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- (ec)Well, I say so on my userpage (damn you dig up stuff), so I can only blame myself. Thanks again! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- Never read it before, but I guess you could read it that way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Block quote
How do I do a block quote? I'm working on one of those articles you sent me to--it's as big a mess as Bible and violence was when we started work on it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:53, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- MOS:BLOCKQUOTE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- (watching:) I use {{quote}}, and wonder why it's mentioned first, but the example is with html "blockqute". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! I finally figured out the problem--I was forgetting that last /! It was screwing up everything! DUH! Stuff like this makes me feel stupid... We could advertise--If your pride gets out of hand, come to Wikipedia for awhile and learn the true meaning of humility... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Not the worst idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:12, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! I finally figured out the problem--I was forgetting that last /! It was screwing up everything! DUH! Stuff like this makes me feel stupid... We could advertise--If your pride gets out of hand, come to Wikipedia for awhile and learn the true meaning of humility... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Women
Time for us to move on to the next project I am thinking. There's only the floor-sweeping left to do on humor--the clean-up--which I think you have already done pretty brilliantly, and if it isn't perfect I can't tell. But I have moved on to Women as you have discovered and I would dearly love for you to come work there with me as well. You are so much better than I at all the technical details! I am pretty much rewriting the whole article! So I thought you'd get a kick out of that. No one has shown up to bash me for it yet! We'll see what happens. OH! BTW--it wasn't Aleph who fixed the contractions. It was someone else. He sounds really well and happy though. Being off Wik-PEDIA is good for him apparently. It's possible it could be good for all of us. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I'll stop by as inspiration strikes me, it's not a topic I've given much thought (granted, that doesn't seem to stop me[28]). Good choice, this article could easily be as long as "Violence" so you have room to run. Consider what Onceinawhile did to the WP:LEAD at "Humor". As for Paleoneonate, he's done like 10 edits in the past two weeks, so he's not very active right now. Do you want to start the GA-thing anyway? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:21, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Today is Valborg, the traditional arrival of spring in Sweden.[29]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Yes my lead sucks, my lead always does at first. One of the reasons I need you around. And come on now--I know you're interested in women! It is going to be a bit long I'm thinking but it's going fast. I'm enjoying it so far. I AM interested in the topic. :-) I don't care --do you want to do it or do you think the article needs more? Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:27, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'll check that nun first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Yes my lead sucks, my lead always does at first. One of the reasons I need you around. And come on now--I know you're interested in women! It is going to be a bit long I'm thinking but it's going fast. I'm enjoying it so far. I AM interested in the topic. :-) I don't care --do you want to do it or do you think the article needs more? Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:27, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the video! That was lovely! What were they singing? Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:34, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Traditional 19th century spring-song. You can use g-translate on this [30], but the language is a bit poetic/arcaic and the machine doesn't quite get it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Women in the Bible made me remember this West Wing-classic: [31]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the video! That was lovely! What were they singing? Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:34, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- OMG that was hilarious! I never watched West wing when it was on--I may have to now!Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:42, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- It has occurred to me after the fact that I switched topics in mid-stream and it might be a little confusing! Do you genuinely think humor needs more--that's what I was asking. I kind of like the idea of others coming along behind us doing that. Thank you for those contributions to women--I love the pics--I would have guessed you would add a picture of a naked woman... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:42, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know that it needs more, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more good stuff to find. It seems to cover the topic fairly well as is. And of course everybody likes naked women. My hyphothesis is that Barenaked Ladies took their name so people would think "What will make this [whatever it is] better? Barenaked Ladies!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha ha! You are unarguably right of course--everyone likes naked women! What's up with that? I have finished the OT section there and an just beginning the Nt which will be longer in this case instead of shorter--weird huh? But I need editing you know! I really need you! My stuff is too long and too magazine article-ish until you come along and say clean this up, take that out!! I'm a mess without your support--does guilt work with you? It always works with me... :-) So Paleo answered--I didn't know there was formal evaluation involved for a GA--he says he's not qualified. So whatever. Maybe we'll ask someone else one day.Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know that it needs more, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more good stuff to find. It seems to cover the topic fairly well as is. And of course everybody likes naked women. My hyphothesis is that Barenaked Ladies took their name so people would think "What will make this [whatever it is] better? Barenaked Ladies!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Now your editing talk? Does this not concern you? :-)Jenhawk777 (talk) 13:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'll take a look, soon-ish. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:16, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Now your editing talk? Does this not concern you? :-)Jenhawk777 (talk) 13:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Gråbergs I'm ragging on you for being obsessive. You moved things on this talk page--who cares what order it's in really? I'm making fun of you--and I didn't even mention your statement about using "consensus" in ordinary conversation... Now I have though... I am beginning to think everyone on Wiki--PEDIA is OCD! Including me. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- At least I'm doing it at my own talkpage ;-) Now, where did I put that newspaper..? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- :-)Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- You know, I hope, how much I appreciate your comments. I have calmed down a little from my feverish excitement and am attempting to actually create some balance. I have now written on five articles--wow I know--and I think I am figuring out that the less you know or care, the more likely you will actually do the job properly. It's very difficult, perhaps impossible, for human beings to care and be neutral at the same time. Neutral isn't the same as being fair. It's the first time I had read Tykva Frymer-Kensey and OMG! She is awesome--okay--deep breaths--she has such a positive attitude about everything! Okay that was my calm voice. I am now a big fan--which is now obvious since I basically quoted her whole book. So I am going back and putting in other views and removing some of her--but she really is great! :-) Thanks for putting up with me and for helping me like you have Gråbergs. I wouldn't still be here at all without you and Aleph. When I finish this one, I will find something I am totally disinterested in and know nothing about--I promise!Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- It can be a tricky balance. Passion makes you write stuff, so we need that, otherwise nothing happens. Too much, and all you get is brick walls. Classic double edged sword. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- You know, I hope, how much I appreciate your comments. I have calmed down a little from my feverish excitement and am attempting to actually create some balance. I have now written on five articles--wow I know--and I think I am figuring out that the less you know or care, the more likely you will actually do the job properly. It's very difficult, perhaps impossible, for human beings to care and be neutral at the same time. Neutral isn't the same as being fair. It's the first time I had read Tykva Frymer-Kensey and OMG! She is awesome--okay--deep breaths--she has such a positive attitude about everything! Okay that was my calm voice. I am now a big fan--which is now obvious since I basically quoted her whole book. So I am going back and putting in other views and removing some of her--but she really is great! :-) Thanks for putting up with me and for helping me like you have Gråbergs. I wouldn't still be here at all without you and Aleph. When I finish this one, I will find something I am totally disinterested in and know nothing about--I promise!Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- :-)Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- At least I'm doing it at my own talkpage ;-) Now, where did I put that newspaper..? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Gråbergs I'm ragging on you for being obsessive. You moved things on this talk page--who cares what order it's in really? I'm making fun of you--and I didn't even mention your statement about using "consensus" in ordinary conversation... Now I have though... I am beginning to think everyone on Wiki--PEDIA is OCD! Including me. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
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I think I have done what you suggested. Since I now have sections of history and a blurb on sex under NT do you think I am required to do that under the OT too? It's long, would it improve it? I have excluded lots of women of course but since there are hundreds I had no choice. I tried to be fair to the fundies but it's hard! :-) If you feel like another look over that would be cool but if you feel like you've had all you can stand--that's okay too. There isn't much left of the original article! It's longer--I hope it's better too! Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:59, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'll take a look later this week. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- You're a peach. (In the southern US that's our highest compliment.) :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- How do I add something to the Bible sidebar? Women in Judaism is missing but listed at the top of the article, and most of the authors I reference are not there. Listing feminist authors without including three of the leading names is an oversight. Ditto for a couple of the conservatives. I wanted to just add them and didn't find it under 'edit source'--so where the heck is it? Jeez. No matter how far I get there is always something else I don't know.Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, now we're into the deep mysteries of WP. These templates are technically their own pages. See the three tiny letters in the bottom right corner? Those are links, E is for edit. But I don't think these fit the Bible sidebar very well. Are we thinking about different sidebars? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- No that's it--but it's all spread out on the article page with everything under each category showing and I noted those items missing from the lists. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- No that's wrong! It's Christianity and gender--not the Bible!Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought that might be it. No opinion on the authors, but you can't really have Women in Judaism in the Christianity and gender sidebar, can you? Or maybe I missunderstood. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:42, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha! No--no you can't! Well maybe you could but it might need some explaining! I kept thinking of it as the Bible! Okay, I will add the authors and leave well enough alone! Hey I submitted my first article--a book review og McDonald's Early Christian Women. I'm guessing they will come back with suggestions but it will be a good learning experience for me. I did it all by myself. Puppy is growing up. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:00, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Cool! Excellent! Well done! McDonald's Early Christian Women... I saw that film with Michael Keaton, were any of them in that? ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:21, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha! No--no you can't! Well maybe you could but it might need some explaining! I kept thinking of it as the Bible! Okay, I will add the authors and leave well enough alone! Hey I submitted my first article--a book review og McDonald's Early Christian Women. I'm guessing they will come back with suggestions but it will be a good learning experience for me. I did it all by myself. Puppy is growing up. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:00, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought that might be it. No opinion on the authors, but you can't really have Women in Judaism in the Christianity and gender sidebar, can you? Or maybe I missunderstood. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:42, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- No that's wrong! It's Christianity and gender--not the Bible!Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- No that's it--but it's all spread out on the article page with everything under each category showing and I noted those items missing from the lists. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, now we're into the deep mysteries of WP. These templates are technically their own pages. See the three tiny letters in the bottom right corner? Those are links, E is for edit. But I don't think these fit the Bible sidebar very well. Are we thinking about different sidebars? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- How do I add something to the Bible sidebar? Women in Judaism is missing but listed at the top of the article, and most of the authors I reference are not there. Listing feminist authors without including three of the leading names is an oversight. Ditto for a couple of the conservatives. I wanted to just add them and didn't find it under 'edit source'--so where the heck is it? Jeez. No matter how far I get there is always something else I don't know.Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- You're a peach. (In the southern US that's our highest compliment.) :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha ha ha ha--laugh away--Margaret Y. McDonald--scholar--professor--she's probably a vegetarian and you just deeply offended her... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
first article
So this has been a tremendously great experience. My submission was declined at first--which turned out to be good--because one of their comments was "too essay like" which was something the big dog used to say which I didn't understand and he would not explain. This person took what I wrote and showed me exactly what they meant--moved a couple things up and down, added some headings, and vóila! Told me to resubmit! It was awesome! I want to send them flowers! It was so frikking helpful! I get it now! Now I want to go through and recheck the entire women in the Bible article and everything else I have ever written here! So don't bother to go look at it--I am going to work on it some more. This all makes me glad I came back here. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well I've been declined again. This time the reviewer said my quotes were too long, that I need to paraphrase long quotes instead of actually quoting. I can use short quotes without copyright violation but not long ones. I did not know that. He/she was really nice though, and sent me some encouragement saying if I looked at the history of many "good" articles I would see they had a rocky beginning just like this, and they encouraged me not to give up but just to fix it. I had no idea I could expect multiple rejections, but they said they had an article they had been working on for a year and a half. So maybe you submitting Bible and humor with four lines was actually smart!:-) Anyway, maybe I'll work on it later. I don't think I'll feel like it for awhile--but I will eventually.
- Hey! I went looking up women in the Bible in art and opera and Holy Crap Batman! There is a ton of stuff!! It should be its own article. Should we start one? Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:04, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- If you find a few good sources that discuss the topic "women in the Bible in art", not just 10 tons of examples of it, I see no problem. It wouldn't surprise me if there's several books on the topic. BIG topic though. "Women in Christian art" could be an alternative, somewhat smaller topic, but then there's no operas. Perhaps "women in the Bible in art" should be a category for stuff like Bathsheba (Memling). It would be a big category, and I have no idea how to create categories.
- The dear Aleph showed by example [32] that creating an article is dead easy. Just write Women in the Bible in art in the searchfield, search, click the redlink, write something and save. IMO, however, that one could just as easily have been deleted by a quick Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers, but he got lucky and it survived. So when I created "Humor" [33] my focus was that it should be something that could be accepted per WP:GNG. The next day, when it looked like this [34], a reviewer (Paleo) put their "ok" mark on it (not visible, but the creator gets a notification).
- Since then I've created two other articles, The Sandman: Overture and Norse Mythology (Neil Gaiman). Noone has reviewed Norse Mythology yet but I'm confident the sources are sufficient. So I think starting small can work well. I was thinking of creating another, discussion at Talk:Jameson Blake but got discouraged. The topic came up at Teahouse, and I got interested.
- Yeah, WP is real sensitive about copyright, and fair use is kept on a tight leash. For good reasons. Also beware Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Now review the review!
And please help Gerda Arendt add in section on "Women from the Bible in art and culture" or some such thing! I think I have properly formatted it all now. I think the lead and the introductory paragraphs reflect content--(I went through and made notes!)--I think, I hope, the entire discussion is a little tighter and better organized--and overall I actually think it's pretty good! I mentioned but did not hit as heavily on repeated references to the traditional views since they are well known, however, it's NOT the feminist view anymore--I hope! I have noted a few additions here and there so I hope that means you are ready and able to give any feedback you have. Please come and play with puppy! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! I can't say thank you enough. This article is better as much from your input as my typing. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:37, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Hey where are you? Should I come there too? :-) (So puppy-like...) I have reorganized-- AND the lead section is shorter and more of a summary without presenting arguments. I don't want to merge with the other article--it's crap. Sorry. I really think it would be a complete rewrite to bring it up to snuff--and although that is apparently becoming my specialty--I have no desire to make a duplicate of what I have already done here. (I know there are barnstars for little troll changes, but is there one for total rewrites--a big bulldozer maybe? A barge covered in trash heading off into the horizon? Ah well...) Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:21, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- So. I learned about blank and redirect. That was good. I'd read up on deleting but had never heard of this. So that's new. And I am trying to be cooperative with our old friend. I actually think he improved the sexuality section, but not the section on Eve, though I'm willing to let it go. He made some mistakes in some of his references and changes, but it is my goal to embrace an ability to work with anyone, so I just fixed them. He has removed the section on patriarchy entirely, and if egalitarianism is in, patriarchy should be there too, or it creates an inaccurate picture. That is not a mistake a professional encyclopedia would make--just giving one perspective. The church treated women well then badly and both should be mentioned. Perhaps he would like a 'historical views' section? I'm hoping he will respond at some point to my request to discuss that. I think he has accepted my explanation of scope, though he hasn't said so, he seems to have dropped that issue. It's weird and stressful for me. I think he's keeping tabs on me. It's kind of freaking me out. I know this isn't your problem, you were just helping me out with the page. But if you have any ideas--how does a person go about getting consensus with someone who won't discuss? I would appreciate input on that. Still learning wiki-ways--hey--do you know, ever since you fussed at me about using 'wiki' I have become aware of it everywhere! It's funny--even some of the instruction pages use it. I laugh now every time I see it. :-) So thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- I have not checked the latest discussions in detail, actually my initial reaction was "Ok, I'll go somewhere else for awhile". Which we both know won't last. I have no current opinion on patriarchy/egalitarianism. There are the usual wikiprojects to ask for more input (phlegmatic as we know they often are), but have you considered Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gender Studies and possibly Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's History? Can't hurt to try.
- About Jytdog keeping tabs on you. Can't be disproven, but AFAIK he hasn't tried to interact with you in quite awhile.
- Consider this possibility. Jytdog had Women in HB on his watchlist since 2015 (he edited it then). He noticed the discussion and tried to be helpful. The discussion naturally continued on "Women", but he's not very interested (he has A LOT of WP-interests), hasn't watchlisted and hasn't read your latest comments. Can't be proven, but in line with WP:AGF. It's also possible that he's ignoring you, in which case I think it would be more polite to say something like "I will not comment further/edit this article anymore" or whatever. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- I know--that's the reaction when people expect conflict. I like your explanation better than my paranoid one. It makes sense--I did not know he had edited the page back in the wayback. That explains it then. Please delete that vp reference you made. I do not want that out there. I was careful not to use names. It was supposed to be a discussion of policy not individuals. It was just a personal example. It's sometimes very difficult here for newcomers. I didn't actually ask for an opinion on egalitarianism/patriarchy so much as I stated mine--but it's okay if you have one. :-) And maybe you're right about why he isn't answering. You're assuming good and I am stressed and fearful, so I will hold to the idea that you are right and I am wrong. I have already said I won't do anything till I hear from him and I haven't. But I don't understand why it would be more polite for me to stop work altogether indefinitely. I will walk away if that's what you recommend as the best approach on Wikipedia, but I don't understand it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Jenhawk777, I meant that if he is ignoring you it would be more polite of him to say something like "I will not comment further/edit this article anymore" or whatever. FFS, you basically wrote the thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- I know--that's the reaction when people expect conflict. I like your explanation better than my paranoid one. It makes sense--I did not know he had edited the page back in the wayback. That explains it then. Please delete that vp reference you made. I do not want that out there. I was careful not to use names. It was supposed to be a discussion of policy not individuals. It was just a personal example. It's sometimes very difficult here for newcomers. I didn't actually ask for an opinion on egalitarianism/patriarchy so much as I stated mine--but it's okay if you have one. :-) And maybe you're right about why he isn't answering. You're assuming good and I am stressed and fearful, so I will hold to the idea that you are right and I am wrong. I have already said I won't do anything till I hear from him and I haven't. But I don't understand why it would be more polite for me to stop work altogether indefinitely. I will walk away if that's what you recommend as the best approach on Wikipedia, but I don't understand it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- OH! Okay--yeah--but it is my opinion that demonstrating polite concern is not really his "thing". If he has gone off on another project and isn't watching this one, he probably isn't thinking about me or my stress at all! It isn't intentional, like you said. I have pretty much rewritten the article from top to bottom and taken it to B quality--with a lot of input from you--without once insulting me. I would like very much to finish it. When he edits, his work is always dependably good--even allowing for a mistake here and there. I meant it when I said his help would improve the article. Correction, instruction, other points of view--even most reverts aren't what upsets me. It's the "hit and run" rewrites. There's no such thing as a polite hit and run. :-) At any rate, thanx for clarifying. I was confused! Puppy will be quivering under the table for awhile now, but I will see you again sometime down the road, I'm sure, as I am not running away this time. Thanx again for everything. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. And kindly, do not scare me like that again! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Numbers: [35] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- OH! Okay--yeah--but it is my opinion that demonstrating polite concern is not really his "thing". If he has gone off on another project and isn't watching this one, he probably isn't thinking about me or my stress at all! It isn't intentional, like you said. I have pretty much rewritten the article from top to bottom and taken it to B quality--with a lot of input from you--without once insulting me. I would like very much to finish it. When he edits, his work is always dependably good--even allowing for a mistake here and there. I meant it when I said his help would improve the article. Correction, instruction, other points of view--even most reverts aren't what upsets me. It's the "hit and run" rewrites. There's no such thing as a polite hit and run. :-) At any rate, thanx for clarifying. I was confused! Puppy will be quivering under the table for awhile now, but I will see you again sometime down the road, I'm sure, as I am not running away this time. Thanx again for everything. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- That is so totally cool! I have never seen that before--how do you find it? And what are you talking about scaring you?!? I didn't mean to--whatever I said! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- "Page information" at top-ish left on whatever page you're interested in. Scroll to the bottom, click "Revision history statistics". The "But I don't understand why it would be more polite for me to stop..." made my brain scream OMG I RAN OVER PUPPY WITH A TRUCK!!! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:03, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- That is so totally cool! I have never seen that before--how do you find it? And what are you talking about scaring you?!? I didn't mean to--whatever I said! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Well--puppy's tail only--but I understand stumped tails are "in"... :-) I'm okay--I was just momentarily confused. All is back right side up now. Compared to you disapproving the other problem paled by comparison--put it in perspective--so well done! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:04, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- Docking (dog) has been illegal in Sweden since 1989. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- I won't report you--it was an accident. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
No Show
Hey--would you have any knowledge of why, when searching for "Women in the Bible" the article I have been working on doesn't show up in the list at all? It seems weird. Shouldn't it? I think maybe I will also ask at the Teahouse. See what they say. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:20, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- You mean on google? No idea. Maybe it's to general a term for WP to have the usual impact. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- List of women in the Bible shows up.Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yup. We don't have a monopoly on google-hits, it just seem like we do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well I know that! But usually Wikipedia articles do show up on the front page. Don't you think it's odd? Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- It is, but I have no better guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha! Okay then! It's cool. I just wondered if it had something to do with me removing the flags that had been at the top of the article for years. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:41, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- It is, but I have no better guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well I know that! But usually Wikipedia articles do show up on the front page. Don't you think it's odd? Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yup. We don't have a monopoly on google-hits, it just seem like we do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- List of women in the Bible shows up.Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you to someone worth admiring
For going the extra mile, taking the extra time, and doing the extra work to help others learn how to bring your level of quality to Wikipedia.
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | |
It's not a singing Gorrillagram, and it's certainly less than the admiration and appreciation you deserve, but imagine step and kick, step and kick in your honor! You are an exceptional person and an even better editor! Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:20, 19 May 2018 (UTC)] |
- I wanted to send you three more of these but I was lucky to figure out how to do this one... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:23, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, that's a nice start of the (WP) day! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Suggest deletion of women in the Hebrew Bible
None of its content is usable. It's not worth saving. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Editing the Gospel of Judas
So you think you know something about the Gospel of Judas? How did you happen to notice my comment? You will have to explain to me how Gagne's know-nothing commentary is more pertinent than my informed one, given that his has even less to do with the Gospel of Judas. "His argument rests on the translation of the Greco-Coptic term "apophasis." Mine rests on the understanding of a true mystic, even if he is anonymous. (I didn't hide that fact.) The 'denial' is of the Logos, not a "declaration." The Logos is the Word, not a "declaration." Read John 1. He mistranslates the wrong part. Wiki doesn't need to be a mouthpiece for apologists, like this article is now. Gagne's comment should be removed, not mine. Sahansdal (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Answered at Talk:Gospel_of_Judas#Copied_from_my_userpage, since it's about that article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:02, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Draft of pagan opinion
I appreciate the input and I am okay with it--but it was put in by the first reviewer--not me. It is a kind of a summary lead sentence. Maybe we should leave it?? That reviewer also did not agree with the second review--there seems to be a great deal of variation and personal opinion involved in all of this. The second reviewer's complaint was that it was too "quote-y"--which I like since I am obsessive about accuracy and quotes are the best way to be sure of that. I accepted what they both said and have tried to follow through--both reviewers have been really nice and very encouraging. I will persevere. Replace the sentence or not as you see fit. I trust your judgment. Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Personally I would strike "universally" from the current version, but it's a minor quibble. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- Consider it done. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey You!
Haven't heard from you in awhile. Whatcha' been up to? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:54, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Are you mad? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hello! No, I've been enjoying Swedish weather rather than WP. We're having like the earliest and warmest summer in thirty years. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:07, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
That sounds lovely. Go back and forget I bothered you! :-) It's already hot as an oven here. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:33, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think I remember you saying you live in California? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:35, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- No I live on the Gulf of Mexico at the very center of the country right smack at the very bottom of it in Mobile, Alabama where we have Mardis gras in February and jazz and fresh seafood all year round. Drive due south from where I am and you will soon hit water and beautiful white sand beaches. The sand is so fine it looks like sugar. We are way--way--hotter than California. Texas is on the other side of the Gulf, then west of them is the American desert--but we get lots of rain on this side. I live in the semi-tropical land of palm trees, mildew and bugs. :-) It rains almost every afternoon but it doesn't cool it off, it just makes it humid. It's already in the 80's at night and almost 100 today. We have very little cold weather--maybe in January it gets to freezing--then we basically have three summers in a row, with the last one being the hottest. I stay in the air conditioning in August. Going outside will take your breath away it's so hot. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hey, quick question--what is the Wikipedia convention for writing "the seventies" or the "1970's" or is there one? Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- ...can't think of one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hey, quick question--what is the Wikipedia convention for writing "the seventies" or the "1970's" or is there one? Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry--made a mistake! Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- So. I've been traveling a lot lately--three trips in three weeks--and a couple of weeks ago I tried to use my husband's laptop and couldn't remember my password to log-in--I know, I know--so I attempted to simply change the password on my phone so I could then use it to log-in on the notebook. I must have tried five times and it kept saying error till it finally locked me out completely. So fast forward to two days ago, I try getting on Wiki on my phone and it tells me I am edit blocked! So I read up--come home and find I am not edit blocked on my computer at all--only my phone. So I try contacting people, it's a mess--then all of sudden with no notice or explanation--the block is gone! Everything works again! What the heck?!? Wikipedia is a strange place. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry--made a mistake! Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- If you are not too busy hanging out in the sun would you be willing to give me an opinion on Biblical criticism? I've been working there awhile now. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:25, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- And do you have any idea how to make your references show up in alphabetical order? Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:43, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am not inclined to read Biblical Critisism at the moment, maybe later. References show up in the order they appear in the article, why alphabetical order? But don't know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- No worries mate. I saw three articles with their references arrange alphabetically and thought it would make it easier to locate references at a later date. That's all. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am not inclined to read Biblical Critisism at the moment, maybe later. References show up in the order they appear in the article, why alphabetical order? But don't know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- And do you have any idea how to make your references show up in alphabetical order? Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:43, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
first article
My article got accepted!! My article got accepted!! WHOO--hoo!!! I am thrilled! I am sharing the joy! Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Bravo! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you friend. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Help with images please
My reviewer wants me to put tags on the images and I don't know where they go--besides the fact that they are huge and spread all across the page. Can you tell me where they are supposed to be placed? And are we supposed to do this with every picture?? I have never done it or seen it done. I thought pics from wikimedia commons were all public domain and didn't need what he's asking for. I am whining--I'm sorry--I am totally freaked out! Help! And thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, no idea. I also just put whatever I find on commons in the articles, just clicked that "Use this file on a wiki" and noone ever told me that was wrong. Is there some "correct" form somewhere you can copy in a monkey-see-monkey-do fashion? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:43, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, per Farangs latest explanation the tagging is done at Commons. Their example edit seems doable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am clearly mentally blocked on this--I went and looked at that example and I still could not tell exactly where to place the tag when I am typing it in. I know I'm going to feel really stupid when I finally figure this out--like placing the slash mark in back instead of in front screwing up my blockquotes--but that's what I need to know. All I have ever done was copy the file text and go--like you said--so what else needs doing--specifically??
- Also, it looks as though you have to go back and line off the changes you requested that I have done--he is not going to do it. He has lined off things around your comments and left all of yours alone. Where do I add the #*!!?## tag???
- This is quite a process. He's great, absolutely and doing a phenomenal job--but it's a little like the prep for a colonoscopy... :-) nice image there huh? :-)
- Thank you for your help and your comments and participation. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- I see you put links in the picture titles--was that it? I knew I'd feel stupid... Thank you. From your friend, the idiot... Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- No, that's unrelated. I'll get back to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I see you put links in the picture titles--was that it? I knew I'd feel stupid... Thank you. From your friend, the idiot... Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok Jenhawk777, I just did the "Title page of Richard Simon's "Critical History" image, here's how:
- Started at Biblical criticism.
- Clicked the image.
- Clicked the big blue "More details" button in the down-right corner. Note that we now left WP and arrived at commons, the "actual" home of this image.
- Added the tag Farang recommended here [36] to the "Licensing" section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ooooohhh!! You are amazing and brilliant and wonderful and kind and all things good and great!! You should write all of Wikipedia's instructions. That was clear! OMG! Thank you so much! You deserve another singing telegram. Really. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:05, 18 June 2018 (UTC
- I am genuinely grateful for all your suggestions and help, but I would like to ask --in this instance--that you not make any more changes to the text without asking or telling--me or Farang or just type in on the review what you did--or something so I can keep up!! I think I got lost on a couple of changes and didn't keep up with what's been going on. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I will not do anything major without noting it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- Cool. Have you looked at the things you suggested that I have done? I think I did them all--all the text and all the references now have no number conflict. That was a good idea by the way. A lot of trouble but the change is a definite improvement. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I thought that if I was a serious reader of the article it would annoy me greatly. It's what our customers pay us for ;-).
- Cool. Have you looked at the things you suggested that I have done? I think I did them all--all the text and all the references now have no number conflict. That was a good idea by the way. A lot of trouble but the change is a definite improvement. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I will not do anything major without noting it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am genuinely grateful for all your suggestions and help, but I would like to ask --in this instance--that you not make any more changes to the text without asking or telling--me or Farang or just type in on the review what you did--or something so I can keep up!! I think I got lost on a couple of changes and didn't keep up with what's been going on. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- Stuff stricken. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- DAMN this is a LONG article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- TELL me about it! And you made me go through all the references twice!!! It's a good thing puppies are devoted! :-) I am actually trying to come up with ways to shorten it and have started just cutting whole paragraphs and lines and words wherever I can. I am thinking the first section on "Background" really serves no real purpose that isn't also covered better in history--what about eliminating that whole section--after moving the references to appropriate places of course??? Give me your considered scholarly opinion... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- While I often applaud brevity, complex topics need some space, and I think we're in fairly gray area here. There's guidance at WP:TOOBIG. Using copypaste and wordcounter.net, I'm told there's about 56k characters of readable prose, which I'll assume is about the same as 56 kB. That's between "May need to be divided" and "Probably should be divided", but pretty far from "Almost certainly should be divided". So... do what you think is best.
- TELL me about it! And you made me go through all the references twice!!! It's a good thing puppies are devoted! :-) I am actually trying to come up with ways to shorten it and have started just cutting whole paragraphs and lines and words wherever I can. I am thinking the first section on "Background" really serves no real purpose that isn't also covered better in history--what about eliminating that whole section--after moving the references to appropriate places of course??? Give me your considered scholarly opinion... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- The "Background" section isn't spectacularly bad, but perhaps it's more "Overview"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
moved it into the lead rewrite Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
plagiarism
Guess what? It turns out this existing article I started editing on May 31st was almost entirely copied! The only parts that weren't are the parts I rewrote--or wrote. I didn't rewrite these others because they were good and didn't need it--BECAUSE THEY WERE COPIED!!! It's really easy to write well when you steal copy from a pro! Farang's being really nice--I think he thought I had done it at first--but I posted the dif showing those sections were in the article before I ever started on it. I never would have known if I hadn't tried for GA. It seemed like a good idea at the time... I am never doing this again. It makes one wonder how much of this is out there. I do real research. I know you do too. I am pretty sure whatever else one can say--Jytdog does as well. Are we it? This is a fine kettle of pickled herring... I'm working on redoing it. I'm more than halfway, but boy this is distressing. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:12, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- You might find this helpful in the future if you're looking for copied material. Alephb (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hello Alephb, hope you are well. Annoying, and to bad Farang didn't notice it earlier (he did write "No copyright violations" at one point), but he's obviously doing the best he can. WP has become better at detecting copyvios in new stuff, but the system isn't perfect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- This is completely inadequate recognition of the copious amount of weeping this produced--somebody say, "poor puppy! You have been very brave!"
- And thank you for the tool--I will use it in the future on EVERYTHING I work on. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Nevermind. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
writing group notes
Does a group note have to have its own reference or can the reference be part of the note? Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't understand the question, so you should probably ask someone else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Nevermind. Is everything okay? Are you mad? Did I say something stupid? You know sometimes I think I'm being funny and it comes across exactly the opposite. So give me a chance to apologize if that's it. Surely you know there is no one on Wikipedia I think more highly of than you. I even trusted you to go off and work with the big dog on "MY" article! :-) What greater compliment is there? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Don't worry. The weather has improved and I haven't felt like attempting to read through Biblical critisism again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Nevermind. Is everything okay? Are you mad? Did I say something stupid? You know sometimes I think I'm being funny and it comes across exactly the opposite. So give me a chance to apologize if that's it. Surely you know there is no one on Wikipedia I think more highly of than you. I even trusted you to go off and work with the big dog on "MY" article! :-) What greater compliment is there? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Shew! Puppy was piddling all over the carpet there for a minute! :-) LOL! No worries--it passed. Now I need a sentence for DYK--and you need to have the joyful experience of nominating one of yours for GA. I suggest the Bible and humor. It turned out pretty well--and at least you won't have to worry about copyright vio's... Enjoy the nice weather--do some of that Swedish dancing. Life is short. Later. Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- ...Did You Know that dead Germans are a big part of the subject of biblical critisism..?
- ...Did You Know that the word "theologian/s" occurs 24 times in this article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha ha! Did you know that you are a hoot? Those would have been great! I kept thinking about trying to write this article without including theologians... the whole time I was writing it. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- My "joe schmo" approach gave slightly silly results this time (still think it's the way to go though), I thought about a note at the top: "Unless otherwise stated, assume that a named person is a theologian." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- that's it! You need to go to the village pump and suggest a new template that says that! There could be one for medical articles--all kinds of things! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- My "joe schmo" approach gave slightly silly results this time (still think it's the way to go though), I thought about a note at the top: "Unless otherwise stated, assume that a named person is a theologian." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ha ha ha! Did you know that you are a hoot? Those would have been great! I kept thinking about trying to write this article without including theologians... the whole time I was writing it. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- Shew! Puppy was piddling all over the carpet there for a minute! :-) LOL! No worries--it passed. Now I need a sentence for DYK--and you need to have the joyful experience of nominating one of yours for GA. I suggest the Bible and humor. It turned out pretty well--and at least you won't have to worry about copyright vio's... Enjoy the nice weather--do some of that Swedish dancing. Life is short. Later. Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The fourth of July
It's Independence day here today! People are coming to the house--we have no traditional dances to do--but we will eat like crazy and shoot off fire works after dark. I am taking a break for a few minutes from getting ready. I have pinged Jytdog at his talk page twice asking him about coming back (to women in the Bible) but he's really busy. It's all been really civil. I think I am beginning to get past my hurt feelings and resultant pique and he's actually been nice. More experience has helped me see that--when you get past his insults--what he has to say is worth listening to. He is really rough on newcomers--and not just me. They really aggravate him! But thanx to you and Aleph--and you some more--I am beginning to understand a little better about Wikipedia (see how I typed Wiki out for you? :-)) than I did a year ago when I first showed up and ticked him off. Perhaps now I can avoid pissing him off so badly! I know he hasn't been back to Women since I left--I figure if I show up again he'll return. :-) I like the changes you have made there. When we finish with the body, we can redo the lead which does not really reflect what's in the article--as you both said. I'm thinking that whole second sentence should be removed. Anyway, I'm thinking of going back. The break was good, and it enabled me to tuck one success of my own under my belt, and that has helped me feel a little better able to cope with Jytdog's criticisms. It's okay if he doesn't like something, it can be fixed. If I come back, chances are he will too and be all bossy again, but I think maybe I can deal now. What I need from you is not to leave if things get difficult. Have an opinion that focuses on content, and say it--when you have an opinion of course. I will try to do the same and avoid personality issues. Deal? What do you think? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Is this asking too much? I'm a little scared and feel the need of back-up. I don't mean to put you on the spot--well wait--of course I do--but you have the right to refuse with impunity and no hard feelings, okay? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:41, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Glad fjärde juli! Firework after dark..? Strange people, the Floridians.
- I make no promises on involving myself (not saying I won't), though I have been idly thinking about adding some of the women I think are missing. One difference I see between you guys and myself is that you actually have read some of the scholars involved and have opinions about them. At least on this topic, I just look at what's in the article and comment on what seems reasonable to me. The article may still be wildly unbalanced without me clearly seeing it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- That's good enough for me. Go for it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:47, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Orrin hatch
Thanks for warning that vandal, but I suggest that in the future you not point out that the vandal got in the news, this only encourages vandalism. Tornado chaser (talk) 18:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- You're probably right. Fun story, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:04, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
In other news
I am shamed in the face of Neil Gaiman [37]. Well not really, I (so far) wrote very little of the plot-section, but still, Neil noticed an article I created and he had to see that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
FA nomination
Now underway for Biblical criticism. Wish me luck! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:52, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- Absolutely! Based on the previous discussions, you'll need it! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Notice
The next time you do something like this, you will be blocked or banned by Abecedare. wumbolo ^^^ 12:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)