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::Can I just say that I think changing other people's spelling anywhere other than in article space is a definite no-no! People will feel they're being policed if you change their Talk page or RfA etc spellings, and you should generally never change a User page at all (unless to do something like revert blatant vandalism or personal attacks). [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 16:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC) |
::Can I just say that I think changing other people's spelling anywhere other than in article space is a definite no-no! People will feel they're being policed if you change their Talk page or RfA etc spellings, and you should generally never change a User page at all (unless to do something like revert blatant vandalism or personal attacks). [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 16:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Per Frank [[User talk:Derild4921#Suggestion|here]] Gobbles, would you mind keeping conversations and questions here to have it in one place? I have this watchlisted so don't use talkback templates either. Thanks! [[User:Derild4921|<span style="color:green">Derild</span>]][[User talk:Derild4921|<span style="color:red">49</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Derild4921|<span style="color:blue">21</span>]][[User:Derild4921/Guestbook|<span style="color:orange">☼</span>]] 16:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC) |
:::Per Frank [[User talk:Derild4921#Suggestion|here]] Gobbles, would you mind keeping conversations and questions here to have it in one place? I have this watchlisted so don't use talkback templates either. Thanks! [[User:Derild4921|<span style="color:green">Derild</span>]][[User talk:Derild4921|<span style="color:red">49</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Derild4921|<span style="color:blue">21</span>]][[User:Derild4921/Guestbook|<span style="color:orange">☼</span>]] 16:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Seriously please try to listen to the advice from Boing!. It's only a matter of time before edits like this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noloop&diff=prev&oldid=376965492] get someone angry with you.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 17:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC) |
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Your talk page has been archived
Your talk page has been archived. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Maturity
This is a follow-up of this discussion.
I'd like to think I'm an extremely patient person; however, I don't like to be made fun of. I offered to adopt you, in order to help you to better understand the use of CSD tags and you accepted; however, you keep on tagging articles, as can easily be seen just taking a cursory look at your contributions.
I think there's a serious maturity issue, here: when you agree to something, you should do it, even if, later, you find yourself thinking it's a drag; so I'm terminating this adoption as of now. Clearly, you're always welcome on my talk page, if you need any help. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 12:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Archive
It looks like someone already took care of this! Sorry I couldn't get to it yesterday! sohmc (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- If you use
{{archives}}
instead of the manual archive box you are currently using, it will automatically add new archives to the box as they are created. Also, if you use{{talkarchivenav}}
at the top of your archive pages it adds a snazzy navigation bar that can be very handy as your archive pages add up. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:13, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Adoption and more
Regarding this request, please keep in mind that adoption is much more about you as the person being adopted than it is about the adopter. You must display a willingness to accept input from others and act on it. I can't speak for anyone else, but it looks to me like you have a very difficult time with this. For example, it has taken many, many requests to get you to stop putting CSD tags on articles. From there, you moved on to new articles, where you have inappropriately removed a new article template, such as these:
In all four of those cases, all you did was remove the {{New unreviewed article}} template; you didn't actually review the article, or if you did, you did so incorrectly. For example, just looking specifically at the last one, when you removed the template, what you left behind was an article that started out with New article name, which shows you aren't really familiar with the purpose of the template. In addition, Omnis Network doesn't appear to meet any criteria for inclusion in the encyclopedia, but of course that's a different story. I would expect any new article reviewer to either improve the article so that it appears to meet criteria, or else to nominate it for deletion (either WP:CSD, WP:PROD, or WP:AFD, as appropriate).
So, in summary, the best advice you can follow around here is the advice you've gotten most frequently since you showed up: look at what other people are doing and learn how Wikipedia works. That is the best way to contribute. Frank | talk 14:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Red links
Not all red links need to be removed. Please read Wikipedia:Red link. Frank | talk 00:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
"Strange comment"
Hi. The "strange comment" you just removed from this talk page appears to have been in response to a warning you gave to that IP editor (it could have been a different editor) on June 5 - see User talk:117.201.51.135. As a suggestion, if you get replies on your Talk page and you don't know what they're about, it can often be helpful to check the person's Talk page - responses often come in very late, and I often have to check things myself, because I can't always remember who I've been talking to. And having checked, I see that IP did indeed edit the article "Tongue" and you reverted his edit as vandalism, but it clearly wasn't vandalism - you really do need to be careful when you mark other people's edits as vandalism. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:35, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Adoption?
Umm..I'd be happy to adopt you but you have 13,241 edits, much more then the 2,604 I have. May I ask why you want to be adopted first? Derild4921☼ 18:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I have been advised to be adopted to improve my tagging pages skills.Gobbleswoggler (talk) 18:03, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I have read through some of your past conflicts with other users and adopters. As you commonly mention that you are only 12, I will now mention I am only 13. CSD is a tricky topic and you will see on my talk page two of taggins were also wrong. However, CSD is a tool to help get rid of the articles that are obviously not needed and should have almost no reason to keep. I need to know what you have read and do know about CSD tagging, what articles you have read and questions you have. However, I am willing to adopt you! :) Derild4921☼ 18:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I have read on how to tag pages more accurately.Would you consider nominating me for adminship?,Gobbleswoggler (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Dude, can you please knock it off with the adminship? Please? Don't even think about it for at least a year and a couple DYKs. Thank you. Tommy! [message] 18:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Gobble, you agreed not to pursue RFA for one year here [5]. Trying to get someone to nominate you is a violation of the spirit if not the letter of that promise. You need to get it through your head: adminship is not a trophy and with the number of warnings you have gotten lately you have zero chance of attaining it anytime in the next six months to a year anyway. Given your appalling lack of good judgement I have revoked your reviewer and rollback permissions. You are headed away from adminship, not towards it, with the course you are plotting for yourself. The community is a little more tolerant of incompetence when it comes from such a young person, but there comes a point when a user is doing more harm than good and needs to be shown the door. Wise up and actually listen to all the good advice that has been given to you on this page or you will find yourself at that point in the near future. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the above easily. You have agreed to back off from RFA for a year. Even if you did not, I would still not nominate you because I know after those 4 RFA's the community would quickly close the RFA with a case of WP:NOTNOW (again). Think about it this way, you are once again a new user trying to help out on Wikipedia. Would you go around tagging articlesfor CSD this recently? Would you run for adminship that recently. The obvious answers are no and no. For now read through WP:CSD and User:SoWhy/Ten Commandments for Speedy Deletion THOROUGHLY. I'm sure others have tried this method but I see no other way forward until you know the criteria inside out. Other articles to read include User:SoWhy/Common A7 mistakes, Wikipedia:Field guide to proper speedy deletion and Wikipedia:Concerns about Speedy Deleters. As for RFA, Beeblebrox is right, for the next year you need to concentrate on getting taggings right, stop bothering other for nominations and demonstrate you understand the core policies and that WP:Adminship is not a trophy. I have agreed to adopt and I will, but remember what frank has stated above, "adoption is much more about you as the person being adopted than it is about the adopter. You must display a willingness to accept input from others and act on it." Derild4921☼ 19:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Gobble, you agreed not to pursue RFA for one year here [5]. Trying to get someone to nominate you is a violation of the spirit if not the letter of that promise. You need to get it through your head: adminship is not a trophy and with the number of warnings you have gotten lately you have zero chance of attaining it anytime in the next six months to a year anyway. Given your appalling lack of good judgement I have revoked your reviewer and rollback permissions. You are headed away from adminship, not towards it, with the course you are plotting for yourself. The community is a little more tolerant of incompetence when it comes from such a young person, but there comes a point when a user is doing more harm than good and needs to be shown the door. Wise up and actually listen to all the good advice that has been given to you on this page or you will find yourself at that point in the near future. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Dude, can you please knock it off with the adminship? Please? Don't even think about it for at least a year and a couple DYKs. Thank you. Tommy! [message] 18:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I have read on how to tag pages more accurately.Would you consider nominating me for adminship?,Gobbleswoggler (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I have read through some of your past conflicts with other users and adopters. As you commonly mention that you are only 12, I will now mention I am only 13. CSD is a tricky topic and you will see on my talk page two of taggins were also wrong. However, CSD is a tool to help get rid of the articles that are obviously not needed and should have almost no reason to keep. I need to know what you have read and do know about CSD tagging, what articles you have read and questions you have. However, I am willing to adopt you! :) Derild4921☼ 18:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Your Wikipedia career
I want to add more to the discussions above, since you continue to seem focused on adminship. What's said above is true: you are moving further away from it with each phase of your time here. Asking someone to nominate you shows an appalling lack of knowledge of how Wikipedia works. In addition, you seem to think the only thing between you and adminship is that you've tagged articles at CSD incorrectly. Nothing can be further from the truth; that is simply one item on the list:
- You aren't reviewing new articles correctly (see above)
- You're not participating in very many community-related items such as AIV and AFD
- Your participation in WP:AIV is hit-or-miss; plenty of your AIV reports in the last two months were declined
- Your CSD tagging problems are documented in your talk archives
- You don't appear to know how to check user contribution histories or article histories
- You have only a passing knowledge of what a diff is or how to properly link one
- You have a major case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT
- You also have a pretty scorching case of WP:EDITCOUNTITIS
- You make edits without really checking what's going on, for example this one from just 30 minutes ago, with the edit summary "removed name" (on Fulham Academy). Perhaps you thought that removing the name Wayne Brown from that article was useful because it pointed to a disambiguation page, or perhaps because the likely Wayne Brown being referred to (Wayne Brown (midfielder) no longer plays for Fulham. If it's the former, you should have linked to the correct one. If it's the latter, you could have moved his name to the "now playing elsewhere" section of the article.
In short, it seems like every one of your choices regarding how to act around here is the exact opposite of what the community expects from its contributors. Until you get those things right, there's no point in discussing advanced privileges. You asked me recently if I think you're doing well for a 12-year-old. The short, direct answer is "no". I have nothing against 12-year-olds (I've raised several myself :-) ) but you're not distinguishing yourself by your behavior, regardless of age. Put it this way: if you were an adult, and didn't have the obvious problem of being only a kid (sorry if that sounds condescending), you would likely have already been blocked, possibly indefinitely. The fact that you claim to be 12 is granting you some additional leeway (also noted above) but that won't last forever either.
Right now, what's going on is you are bringing attention to yourself in a negative way. You have at least three editors that I have seen on your talk page recently who appear to be going through every one of your contributions with a fine-toothed comb to see if you're making mistakes. That is not the kind of attention you want or need, and it is likely to shorten your time around here if it doesn't stop soon. Frank | talk 20:34, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- Gobbleswoggler has once made himself 'famous' by doing a couple of failed RfAs. Since then he has been a helpdesk 'regular'. He has often asked whether he has done something wrong (though he usually does something wrong before asking). I think he is acting in good faith, only his mistakes in judgement has led to some misunderstanding. As long as he is more 'wiki-educated' I believe he can become a much better editor than he is now. BTW I'm 12 too. Kayau Voting IS evil 09:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Vandalism?
Why do you consider this vandalism? Have you read the book? Frank | talk 20:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I thought it was because it had the word bitch in it and I didn't know it said that in the book.Gobbleswoggler (talk) 20:56, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know if it says that in the book or not. But if you read the entire section it appears in, it doesn't seem so unreasonable given that she apparently killed Bellatrix in that fight. Whether or not the edit belongs in the article is another question, but it isn't vandalism and shouldn't be marked as such. Frank | talk 21:03, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- For clarification, it is in the book and that is an example of when to use Undo instead of marking it as vandalism. Derild4921☼ 22:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- More importantly, a swear word does not mean vandalism, part of the AGF guideline. Thanks Tommy! [message] 22:34, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- And on another point, not everything that breaks the rules is "vandalism" - vandalism is only when something is done in bad faith. I know it can be hard to tell sometimes, and I've got it wrong a few times myself, but it really is essential to assume good faith and not throw vandalism accusations at every edit that isn't perfect. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- More importantly, a swear word does not mean vandalism, part of the AGF guideline. Thanks Tommy! [message] 22:34, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- For clarification, it is in the book and that is an example of when to use Undo instead of marking it as vandalism. Derild4921☼ 22:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know if it says that in the book or not. But if you read the entire section it appears in, it doesn't seem so unreasonable given that she apparently killed Bellatrix in that fight. Whether or not the edit belongs in the article is another question, but it isn't vandalism and shouldn't be marked as such. Frank | talk 21:03, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Another "vandalism" problem
You just gave an IP a final warning (having only given them a level 2 previously) for this. Firstly, it's debatable whether it's vandalism at all (the editor may just be incorrect, but honest in their opinion). But even if it is vandalism, it's nowhere near a sufficiently egregious offence to bypass the standard 1-4 levels of warnings. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I think I'll adopt you.
I believe you're better off with a fellow 12-year-old as an adopter than a grown-up who cannot tolerate kids acting in a silly way. So I decided to send an adopt offer. Kayau Voting IS evil 09:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, Kayau, if you look on my talk page and on the thread above called Adoption? you'll you that I've agreed to adopt Gobbleswoggler. Now it's just up to him/her to decide who to have as an adopter. Derild4921☼ 12:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Which is wrong, because many people can have two adopters at the same time. For example, User:Mono and I have a common adoptee. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, really? I did not know that... So if Gobbleswoggler agrees should we do the same thing and share an adoptee? Derild4921☼ 12:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Hi folks, I think it's very good of both of you to offer adoption - and I think if you're careful, you could be quite complementary to each other. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- I'm reminded of the "ancient proverb": Man with one watch is always sure what time it is. Man with two watches is never sure. Frank | talk 14:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I'm pretty sure we're smarter than watches and if we give out conflicting advice we can also ask for a third opinion. Derild4921☼ 14:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not the point; the last thing Gobbleswoggler needs is a discussion about which instruction is correct. GS needs clear, concise, easy-to-understand (and implement!) guidance at all times. Ambiguity of any sort will make things worse. Frank | talk 14:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, you're right and I suppose the only way forward would be for Gobbleswoggler to choose his adopter. Unless you have something else in mind? Derild4921☼ 15:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- On second thought, yes, I think Frank is right. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, first order of business is for GS to agree to adoption. It's far from clear this will actually happen. Second is for GS to pick an adopter. After that, we'll see. I think it would be great for GS to spend time as an adoptee of one person, say a month or three, and then move to another adopter. Each could work on one or two specific areas of concern. Frank | talk 15:12, 2 August
- Well, you're right and I suppose the only way forward would be for Gobbleswoggler to choose his adopter. Unless you have something else in mind? Derild4921☼ 15:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not the point; the last thing Gobbleswoggler needs is a discussion about which instruction is correct. GS needs clear, concise, easy-to-understand (and implement!) guidance at all times. Ambiguity of any sort will make things worse. Frank | talk 14:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I'm pretty sure we're smarter than watches and if we give out conflicting advice we can also ask for a third opinion. Derild4921☼ 14:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- I'm reminded of the "ancient proverb": Man with one watch is always sure what time it is. Man with two watches is never sure. Frank | talk 14:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Hi folks, I think it's very good of both of you to offer adoption - and I think if you're careful, you could be quite complementary to each other. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, really? I did not know that... So if Gobbleswoggler agrees should we do the same thing and share an adoptee? Derild4921☼ 12:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Which is wrong, because many people can have two adopters at the same time. For example, User:Mono and I have a common adoptee. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... that seems that a great idea! Now let's just wai and see what GS agrees to then. Derild4921☼ 15:28, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
New Page Patrol isn't easy - not even for an old sod like me
One of the problems with New Page Patrol is that there are undoubtedly a bunch of kids that think it's a game. On the other hand, there's a bunch of kids who try very hard to take things seriously, but either they lack the confidence or the knowledge to get it right. I think Gobbleswoggler is in the second group. I helped him a lot a while back, but I do think he needs to concentrate more on the stuff he knows more about, such as footy, and leave the page patrolling up to others who have a bit more experience and sound judgement. There is always a danger that one day he might tread on the wrong toes and get himself blocked forever. Let's not forget that this is after all an encyclopedia, and there's an even bigger bunch of top knobs, Lords, Ladies, famous people, and one heck of a load of university professors who write stuff on here. I'm one of of those grumpy old professor sods, but I have had Gobbles on my watch list for a long time, and like to think I can jump in with a bit of help and advice when he needs it. Like now. And if anyone else needs any help before they step in the caca, they are welcome to come and sit in my talk page, grab a coke or a coffee, and have a natter. - but I'd love to see all these 12 & 13 year olds taking on some responsibility, and helping each other. None of you is going to make it to adminship yet - hmm.. they probably wouldn't even let me be one, but one of the days guys, you're going to have a couple of those shiny little Good Article icons on your page, and that's worth more than a million unreflected drive-by taggings!--Kudpung (talk) 14:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Hey thanks for the great lecture Kudpung! ;) Derild4921☼ 14:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Kudpung, I thought s** refers to a difficulty, not a person doing it. :P Thanks for the advice: it applies for me too. :) When I do NPP nowadays I only CSD blatant vandalism or copyright violation, because I'm too scared to risk another mistake. Everything else goes to AfD, which is not a pain in the neck because it's automated with Kissle. :D Kayau Voting IS evil 15:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Adopting
Ok, GS(Gobbleswoggler) has agreed for me to adopt him as shown on my talk page. I'll be glad for everyone to have some input if I have not adressed something appropriately. Now, GS, what questions and concerns do you have that you would like to have answered and addressed? After that I will first direct you along article building and then slowly edge you towards some of the behind the scenes work which you are having major troubles in. Before that, please do not try and tag any articles or fight any vandalism unless the vandalism is plain and clear like if someone goes on a biography page and types "I HATE THIS PERSON" etc.. Ok? Derild4921☼ 16:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Ok,first of all;how do you edit and stylize your signiture?,Gobbleswoggler (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Lol, unexpected question. To change your sig around go to "my preferences" on the top righish area. Under the user profile go down to the signature section and enter the code for your sig. Then check the "Treat the above as wiki markup." box. Now, I can't explain how to change the color and add cool designs, so just visit this page! Make sure to remember the don't of signatures. Good luck! If you have any troubles just respond here. Derild4921☼ 16:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- Good job but be careful with STiki as not everything is neccassarily vandalism. Now, it seems that you also like association football! Me too! So why not find a stub and get it to start class for now? A list of stubs can be found here. Derild4921☼ 14:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Also, I don't know if you've seen the discussion yet, but Kayua has informed me the creator of Stiki has been blocked indefinitely so it will go out of date soon. Try this instead. And in response to your question, find a stub you are interested with the link I provided and bring it up to a start class. Look here for the difference between stub and start. Derild4921☼ 14:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Lol, unexpected question. To change your sig around go to "my preferences" on the top righish area. Under the user profile go down to the signature section and enter the code for your sig. Then check the "Treat the above as wiki markup." box. Now, I can't explain how to change the color and add cool designs, so just visit this page! Make sure to remember the don't of signatures. Good luck! If you have any troubles just respond here. Derild4921☼ 16:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
importScript('User:Lupin/recent2.js');
into your monobook or vector page depending on which skin you use. To check, go to My preferences/appearance/skin and check which skin you're using. Derild4921☼ 15:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Hmm...are you useing internet exploerer cause it might mot work with that. Also, trying taking the code off User:Gobbleswoggler/vector.css and the adding it in User:Gobbleswoggler/vector.js after deleting "You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license. See the Terms of Use for details. Edit summary (Briefly describe the changes you have made) ". Then follow the instructions on the top of the page to bypass you cache. Derild4921☼ 15:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Re: STiki - see User talk:West.andrew.g#Hello. That doesn't look like he's been kicked out, just temporarily blocked for a technical reason with a request to contact ArbCom. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
So far
So far good job on vandalism remember to please be careful. If you can't tell if something is vandlism or a good-faith edit written badly, just undo it and don't apply a warning. Also, for edits like this and this it is better to warn using these since it removed content and didn't add vandalism. Derild4921☼ 15:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Another thing, I see that you have started to fix typos as well. Try to fix the typos that are within articles. Some users don'e like people editing their userpage without permission and it won't make a difference if a word is spelled wrong in an AFD as long as everyone knows what it means. Derild4921☼ 16:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/gobbleswoggler 3
into the move box. Derild4921☼ 16:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Can I just say that I think changing other people's spelling anywhere other than in article space is a definite no-no! People will feel they're being policed if you change their Talk page or RfA etc spellings, and you should generally never change a User page at all (unless to do something like revert blatant vandalism or personal attacks). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Per Frank here Gobbles, would you mind keeping conversations and questions here to have it in one place? I have this watchlisted so don't use talkback templates either. Thanks! Derild4921☼ 16:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Seriously please try to listen to the advice from Boing!. It's only a matter of time before edits like this [6] get someone angry with you.--Cube lurker (talk) 17:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Can I just say that I think changing other people's spelling anywhere other than in article space is a definite no-no! People will feel they're being policed if you change their Talk page or RfA etc spellings, and you should generally never change a User page at all (unless to do something like revert blatant vandalism or personal attacks). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)