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:Can you please explain me which content is not verified? --[[User:Forbidden History|Forbidden History]] ([[User talk:Forbidden History#top|talk]]) 19:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:: [[:File:Поздравна телеграма на Андон Ќосето до Лазар Колишевски.jpg]]. Full stop. [[User:Jingiby|Jingiby]] ([[User talk:Jingiby|talk]]) 20:04, 31 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::It's not taken out from the book. But it is a scan of the original card. What do you want me to do? To make a photo of me holding that card? I'm pointing out the book of Vanco Georgiev as a supporting source of the telegram card itself, to verify it's content. What is there best verification, than professor of the oldest and biggest university of Macedonia to verify the card and the content for you? If you want you can even compare the resolution to see that my card is of better resolution than the one inside the book that I'm referring. Please don't twist the facts here. If you want me to change the description and the uploading details for the card let me know, and I will do it-but creating an atmosphere that I'm constantly violating the copyright policy is a bit to rude. Waiting on your answer--[[User:Forbidden History|Forbidden History]] ([[User talk:Forbidden History#top|talk]]) 17:06, 1 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Pande Eftimov == |
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Please, if you do not know the difference between [[citizenship]], and [[ethnicity]] and do not understand the different meanings of the term [[nationality]], then familiarize with them. There are articles on Wikipedia about them. Eftimov lived in 6 different states, and had 6 different nationalities and passports, though he was granted also Bulgarian one, i.e. № 7. However he self identified as Bulgarian during whole of his life, per himself. That means he was undisputed Macedonian Bulgarian. [[User:Jingiby|Jingiby]] ([[User talk:Jingiby|talk]]) |
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:Yeah I understand that. But you don't seem to understand that same situation, when it comes to Goce Delcev, Nikola Karev, Jane Sandanski and thousands of others. People that actually fought against the servants of the Bulgarian kingdom (the vrhovists) all of them are presented as Bulgarian by yourself. Therefore, same policy should be applied to Pande. You don't care that Delcev felt as Macedonian, but you declare him as Bulgarian. Pande in all of his interview he says that he speaks and writes lBulgarian, but I watched whole of the movie about the stone and he obviously speaks Macedonian (not even one part to heard him speak Bulgarian and he was interviewed by a Bulgarian). So, using his interviews to express how he felt in 1956, it's not relevant at all. How we should know that he felt Bulgarian at a time? Just to remind you that you also delete my whole title for Horace Lunt being emeritus professor...your answer was that he wasn't at the time when he wrote that article about the stone inscription. So, as one Macedonian saying says, you just "hit your head with your own stone". I won't accept interviews from 2010 as proof what he was in 1956, cause obviously they are manipulations (his spoken language is pure evidence) that is not exactly as he is saying and presenting the things. I mean you made James Bond story about Pande, hiding, being arrest, chased...and none of that is true. The guy went to Belgrade and delivered the camera film. He wasn't arrested. He was arrested for totally different things.--[[User:Forbidden History|Forbidden History]] ([[User talk:Forbidden History#top|talk]]) 15:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::I don't agree with your quoted sources cause are not verifying what it has been written there. Why should I leave inaccurate and propaganda web sites as reliable source? Asking for verification is the logical thing that i can do. That is not vandalism.--[[User:Forbidden History|Forbidden History]] ([[User talk:Forbidden History#top|talk]]) 09:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC) |
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:Don't worry, first I will prove you totally wrong about Drama uprising and will show you that my "non" reliable source is 101% times more reliable than your unverified comments that you put there about it. Talk to you there. [[User:Forbidden History|Forbidden History]] ([[User talk:Forbidden History#top|talk]]) 11:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:If you visit the websites the source is quoted where the info is taken from. Valid Greek Book. Those are not opinions of the author, but author of a book.--[[User:Forbidden History|Forbidden History]] ([[User talk:Forbidden History#top|talk]]) 17:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::[[Lulu.com]] is an online print-on-demand, self-publishing, and distribution platform. That is not reliable source in any case. Please, stop this game. [[User:Jingiby|Jingiby]] ([[User talk:Jingiby|talk]]) 17:33, 12 December 2020 (UTC) |
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- Can you please explain me which content is not verified? --Forbidden History (talk) 19:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- File:Поздравна телеграма на Андон Ќосето до Лазар Колишевски.jpg. Full stop. Jingiby (talk) 20:04, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's not taken out from the book. But it is a scan of the original card. What do you want me to do? To make a photo of me holding that card? I'm pointing out the book of Vanco Georgiev as a supporting source of the telegram card itself, to verify it's content. What is there best verification, than professor of the oldest and biggest university of Macedonia to verify the card and the content for you? If you want you can even compare the resolution to see that my card is of better resolution than the one inside the book that I'm referring. Please don't twist the facts here. If you want me to change the description and the uploading details for the card let me know, and I will do it-but creating an atmosphere that I'm constantly violating the copyright policy is a bit to rude. Waiting on your answer--Forbidden History (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- File:Поздравна телеграма на Андон Ќосето до Лазар Колишевски.jpg. Full stop. Jingiby (talk) 20:04, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
November 2020
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Pande Eftimov
Please, if you do not know the difference between citizenship, and ethnicity and do not understand the different meanings of the term nationality, then familiarize with them. There are articles on Wikipedia about them. Eftimov lived in 6 different states, and had 6 different nationalities and passports, though he was granted also Bulgarian one, i.e. № 7. However he self identified as Bulgarian during whole of his life, per himself. That means he was undisputed Macedonian Bulgarian. Jingiby (talk)
- Yeah I understand that. But you don't seem to understand that same situation, when it comes to Goce Delcev, Nikola Karev, Jane Sandanski and thousands of others. People that actually fought against the servants of the Bulgarian kingdom (the vrhovists) all of them are presented as Bulgarian by yourself. Therefore, same policy should be applied to Pande. You don't care that Delcev felt as Macedonian, but you declare him as Bulgarian. Pande in all of his interview he says that he speaks and writes lBulgarian, but I watched whole of the movie about the stone and he obviously speaks Macedonian (not even one part to heard him speak Bulgarian and he was interviewed by a Bulgarian). So, using his interviews to express how he felt in 1956, it's not relevant at all. How we should know that he felt Bulgarian at a time? Just to remind you that you also delete my whole title for Horace Lunt being emeritus professor...your answer was that he wasn't at the time when he wrote that article about the stone inscription. So, as one Macedonian saying says, you just "hit your head with your own stone". I won't accept interviews from 2010 as proof what he was in 1956, cause obviously they are manipulations (his spoken language is pure evidence) that is not exactly as he is saying and presenting the things. I mean you made James Bond story about Pande, hiding, being arrest, chased...and none of that is true. The guy went to Belgrade and delivered the camera film. He wasn't arrested. He was arrested for totally different things.--Forbidden History (talk) 15:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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- I don't agree with your quoted sources cause are not verifying what it has been written there. Why should I leave inaccurate and propaganda web sites as reliable source? Asking for verification is the logical thing that i can do. That is not vandalism.--Forbidden History (talk) 09:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
December 2020
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Drama uprising, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 14:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- Don't worry, first I will prove you totally wrong about Drama uprising and will show you that my "non" reliable source is 101% times more reliable than your unverified comments that you put there about it. Talk to you there. Forbidden History (talk) 11:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. However, do not use unreliable sources such as blogs, your own website, websites and publications with a poor reputation for checking the facts or with no editorial oversight, expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, that are promotional in nature, or that rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions, as one of Wikipedia's core policies is that contributions must be verifiable through reliable sources, preferably using inline citations. Thanks! P.S. If you need further help, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia, or ask at the Teahouse. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- If you visit the websites the source is quoted where the info is taken from. Valid Greek Book. Those are not opinions of the author, but author of a book.--Forbidden History (talk) 17:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Lulu.com is an online print-on-demand, self-publishing, and distribution platform. That is not reliable source in any case. Please, stop this game. Jingiby (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Forbidden History, in many historical topics, scholarship is divided, so several scholarly positions should be relied upon. Some people masquerading as scholars actually present fringe views outside of the accepted practice, and these should not be used. To determine scholarly opinions about a historical topic, consult the following sources in order:
- Recent scholarly books and chapters on the historiography of the topic
- "Review Articles", or historiographical essays that explicitly discuss recent scholarship in an area.
- Similarly conference papers that were peer reviewed in full before publication that are field reviews or have as their central argument the historiography.
- Journal articles or peer reviewed conference papers that open with a review of the historiography. Jingiby (talk) 18:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Lulu.com is an online print-on-demand, self-publishing, and distribution platform. That is not reliable source in any case. Please, stop this game. Jingiby (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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