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I'm generally a protectionist in BLPs be they of any political view or faction, so it brings me great alarm when I see anyone who does nothing else but add negativity to a BLP. I get alarmed and rightfully should when this occurs, so my questioning of motives was more a strong suggestion that other things besides just the negative could surely be improved. Its staggering to see so much effort spend on adding negativity and so little on neutral mundane issues that are needed.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 06:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC) |
I'm generally a protectionist in BLPs be they of any political view or faction, so it brings me great alarm when I see anyone who does nothing else but add negativity to a BLP. I get alarmed and rightfully should when this occurs, so my questioning of motives was more a strong suggestion that other things besides just the negative could surely be improved. Its staggering to see so much effort spend on adding negativity and so little on neutral mundane issues that are needed.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 06:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:Hi {{U|MONGO}}! I can understand your concern about Ubikwit's motives, especially given the predominance of his comments on that talk page. I also know that tensions are running high, especially given that case regarding Collect. I just really don't think that article talk page is the best place to address those issues, especially someone who is also party to that proposed case. I've honestly not taken the time to inspect anyone's contribs and don't think I can make any informed comments on anyone's patterns of behavior or possible intent <small>other than Dear0Dear with whom I had past encounters with and is the reason I follow [[Robert Kagan]]</small>, but if you feel there's a pattern of abuse, or at least bad faith editing, perhaps it can be presented in the evidence phase of the case? It does seem like the arbs will take the case. Anyway, you are a far more experienced editor than I and while I don't think those comments are the wisest given the circumstances, I won't push it further (and it's past my bedtime). I just wanted to attempt to defuse the situation if possible. Cheers and thanks for initiating conversation here! [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please {{[[Template:re|re]]}}</small> 06:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC) |
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This page is unambiguously promotional.However, every time I try and make a page that isn't promotional you delete me while I'm making the page. I'm trying to create a page about my company as a lot of my interns coming from england find it hard to understand the russian website. The page is factual not promotional. Promotional implies bias which it isn't. If you feel I written biased info tell where it is and I'll delete it. I keep having my page deleted by different "monitors" and so I'm to explain myself ever time. Could please help/ Advise me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yours Independent informtion
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What the Heck
My information was true considering the fact that a news report confirmed it, so they had no business deleting it, because either way it was true,they probably didn't even try searching it up! Here's the report: http://www.newsnet5.com/entertainment/celebrity/nicki-minaj-gets-animated-for-steven-universe_09416171
If they were following the rules then they could have easily done some research to see if it was true or not. I did.So I hope they got a notification too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emarldquatz (talk • contribs)
- The talk page didn't have any one talking about confirmation on dates that's why I didn't bother! and I did give a source that apparently wasn't "reliable" but yet a News website confirmed it, making what I wrote true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emarldquatz (talk • contribs)
Thank you
Thank you! that's all I wanted! fans have been waiting for this information for 3 months. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emarldquatz (talk • contribs)
Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion
Hello, EvergreenFir. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSDarrow (talk • contribs)
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Flyer22222
I would just like to let you know that even though i had vandalized a different page, the adjustment to the Anthony jeselnik page was completely valid because he very often in his comedies talks about how awesome he is — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyer22222 (talk • contribs)
Reverting changes to Statistical correlations of criminal behaviour
Hi EvergreenFir, I just wanted to drop you a note to explain why I'm reverting your recent change to Statistical correlations of criminal behaviour. If you view the page then do a find in your browser for "</ref>", you will see that this text appears at the end of the "Biological" section when it should never be visible to users. My previous edit removed it and your reversion reinstated it. If you take a look at the code for the 2nd & final paragraph of "Biological", you'll see there's one empty reference (after "among criminals") and one with contents (starting "J. Tiihonen" and ending "doi:10.1038/mp.2014.130."). The "</ref>" tag at the end of the paragraph which I removed previously has no matching opening "<ref>" tag and so is invalid, which is why I removed it and am now removing it again.
Hi!
Good catch but not a "good faith edit". Quis separabit? 04:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
- I guess I was being generous. :) I'll keep an eye on that user's edits. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 05:06, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for helping in UAA
We appreciate all the good work! :) -- The editor who likes cosplay Pikachu (pika!) #2568 @ 06:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC) Please {{re}}
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Gravity Falls
I don't see the purpose in changing my edit to the 'genre' section of the Gravity Falls page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.35.216.250 (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- It's unsourced and the NYTimes source that you or someone else is providing does not mention genre. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, okay. I got it. But why do I have to give a source to the information if it is definitely true. If you have ever watched the show, you would know it does have all of the genres I added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackdaman (talk • contribs) 21:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- I was admin on the Wikia for 2 years. I know the show. And it's not "dark humor". But the reason why you need sources is that Wikipedia reflects reliable sources, not personal opinion or even what is "true". EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks. But seriously, Gravity Falls is totally a dark comedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackdaman (talk • contribs) 22:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- I'm here because I noticed the back-and-forth in Zack's edit history. @Zackdaman: One person's dark comedy is another person's satire. What you consider punk rock, I might consider soft pop rot. Genre is often subjective, especially when you get into subgenre. This is why we don't want people coming through and adding their "feelings" to articles. Main genre only, and source it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks. But seriously, Gravity Falls is totally a dark comedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackdaman (talk • contribs) 22:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- I was admin on the Wikia for 2 years. I know the show. And it's not "dark humor". But the reason why you need sources is that Wikipedia reflects reliable sources, not personal opinion or even what is "true". EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, okay. I got it. But why do I have to give a source to the information if it is definitely true. If you have ever watched the show, you would know it does have all of the genres I added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackdaman (talk • contribs) 21:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
This time I actually gave a source to my information and you deleted it. What the heck dude! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackdaman (talk • contribs) 20:29, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Zackdaman: I saw you tried to give a source and am assuming good faith. IMDB is not a reliable source. It can be edited by any user. You can find discussions about its use as a source here. I appreciate that you tried to find a source, honestly. I'd recommend checking places like Amazon, iTunes, maybe TV Guide (would have to check WP:RSN on that one), Disney, etc. I've looked once before and the stuff currently in the article is what I found. You might try news sites and such too, but I think producers and sellers would be preferable. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:02, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Reply
EvergreenFir I had no intentions of vandalism. I was merely editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C0E2:D210:E8ED:1A6A:F639:197E (talk) 16:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
why'd you remove my Quran quotes?
why'd you remove my Quran quotes about http://quran.com/8/39 ? Divinity76 (talk) 00:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
- because your reference was a facebook picture. It makes no sense regarding Islamophobia. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Thestarborn1028
Hi, I'm Salem, and I was wondering if you could help me with something. A user by the name "Thestarborn1028" is vandalizing the Bad Girls Club pages constantly adding fictional and fake info on some of these pages. He is causing great stress to me, constantly fixing the pages he has been damaging. Could you talk to him or....block him maybe ?
- — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalemCrow101 (talk • contribs)
- I'm not an admin, but I'll go look at that page and that user and see if I can help. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:34, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
I was looking
at a redent edit at Male privilege, "particularly in jobs which are considered to be of high value to society, such as doctors or architects." ( i just added architects) and am wondering how we can reconcile this statement with this one
- " So why is it, she asked, that doctors in Russia are so lowly paid? Making less than £7,500 a year, it is one of the lowest paid professions in Russia, and poorly respected at that. Why is this? The answer is crushingly, breathtakingly simple. In Russia, the majority of doctors are women. "
the answer (i.e., my [opinion]]) idsthat the issue is not that doctors are seen as being valuable to society but rather that they are very well paid in the US & UK. So . . . . .....? Carptrash (talk) 22:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Carptrash: Hm... I think we'd have to see if there are any prestige measures for occupations over in Russia like we have in the USA with occupational prestige. You may be correct and the pay is a function of prestige instead of gender, but we'd need an RS to say either way. If I have time tomorrow, I'll see if I can dig up anything. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure that the issue is women have a difficult time breaking onto occupationsof high pay - which in much of Western society (probably Eastern as well) is what the high status jobs are. Status is defined as "What pays the most" rather than, say, what benefits the populace the most. In any case I might remove that statement until we can come to some agreeable place. Carptrash (talk) 00:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
You are at UA, right? Do you know a Dr. Kvaran there? She is a cat person too. Carptrash (talk) 05:58, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- I am guessing that you have now heard of Dr. Kvaran, who just posted this at her Facebook page
- "Someone posted a flyer around campus with my name, address, description of my house and car, and a picture of me saying that I want to be raped."
- "Someone posted a flyer around campus with my name, address, description of my house and car, and a picture of me saying that I want to be raped."
- For the record, she is my daughter, and feel free to remove this if it seems appropriate to you. Carptrash (talk) 19:30, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Carptrash! Sorry I didn't get back to you the first time. I've never met Dr. Kvaran, but I know she's a women's studies prof. I heard about the flier... I have no words for it. It's a hate crime. Utterly revolting. I'm so sorry that your daughter is dealing with that. We were talking about it in the office (a fellow grad student is teaching intro to women's studies now and I'm slated to teach it next year). I ... am truly at a loss for words. Please let her know we are all thinking of her. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- I will, and do know that I am retiring from editing gender articles for a bit because I am likely to say-write something to some poor downtrodden, oppressed white guy that will not go down well. Carptrash (talk) 20:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- Always a "risk" here on Wikipedia, that's for sure. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- I will, and do know that I am retiring from editing gender articles for a bit because I am likely to say-write something to some poor downtrodden, oppressed white guy that will not go down well. Carptrash (talk) 20:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Carptrash! Sorry I didn't get back to you the first time. I've never met Dr. Kvaran, but I know she's a women's studies prof. I heard about the flier... I have no words for it. It's a hate crime. Utterly revolting. I'm so sorry that your daughter is dealing with that. We were talking about it in the office (a fellow grad student is teaching intro to women's studies now and I'm slated to teach it next year). I ... am truly at a loss for words. Please let her know we are all thinking of her. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- I am guessing that you have now heard of Dr. Kvaran, who just posted this at her Facebook page
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I actually do not know and I apologize Saturn star (talk) 04:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Saturn star: Okay! Thanks for the reply! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Watch for copy vio
Hey there EvergreenFir. Thanks for all your awesome work. I just popped in to point out that both User:Bvwjewelers and user:RCI Ruth had copy vio stuff on their userpages, copied from their company websites. If you could watch out for that while patrolling, it would be a big help. Best, -- Diannaa (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Diannaa: Ah, okay. I'll start googling stuff. Often I put a CSD on those pages but saw there was an active admin on UAA so decided to be a tad lazy. But didn't think to google anything. Will do in the future! Cheers! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:01, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Diannaa: Are there any tools that allow for copy vio detection other than copy-pasting into Google that are available to non-admins? Just curious if you know of any. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, you're gonna love this: https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios -- Diannaa (talk) 04:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Diannaa: Sweet! Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:13, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, you're gonna love this: https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios -- Diannaa (talk) 04:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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Why are you undoing citation required notices
in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape article you say citations aren't required for sources mentioned in the body of the article. 1) It's better if they are. 2) In this case they are not. There is no Justice Department citation. The only figure from the justice department in the body stated 8% not 2% and the line of most sources cite between 1.5 and 8 % had no bearing in reality as more than half of the sources in the body had percentages in double figures. These articles have to be based in reality not what you want to be reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.129.113.158 (talk) 06:14, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Thestarborn1028
This user is still vandalizing the pages. <- I undid his edit.
-SalemCrow — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalemCrow101 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- @SalemCrow101: I honestly don't know enough about the show to determine if they are vandalizing or not. I suggest you go to WP:ANI and explain, in detail, how they are vandalizing the pages. Be sure to alert them if you do go to ANI. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for making fun of me ...
... you are an enrichment for this community.Lucentcalendar (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Baffled.
Why restore incivil comments by PtF and then ask not to do it? I'd prefer help in keeping them down i don't believe I made any comments about him or removed any comments he made about content, only his comments about me. --DHeyward (talk) 04:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- Because WP:REFACTOR requires good faith. PtF wasn't being the nicest but those weren't personal attacks. If they were, Corbett and others would have been banned years ago. I really don't think they warrant anything but you ignoring them. If you truly feel there's a problem, AE is available... but as you know there's been recent cases of perceived slight that didn't go over well. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- I'm a bit sensistive as I believe PtF may be baiting a bit given recent AE actions. I have a tough skin. I was hoping the refactor would end it, not escalate it. I do considr an accustation of a "grudge" to be a personal attack while his comment about "reminding senior editor" was more of a CIVIL issue. No worries. --DHeyward (talk) 05:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Micro-aggressions - are you familiar with them? If so I will ask your opinion
Recently I came across what I considered a micro-aggression (not against me, but in article). Do you consider yourself knowledgeable about gender related micro-aggressions? --DHeyward (talk) 05:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- Somewhat, or at least I think I may know where to look. (Gotta go to bed atm, but will check back tomorrow). EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 07:24, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- The issue in question was about a woman that was questioned about whether they were cis or trans. They purposely don't identify as either cis or trans since they believe that answer isn't relevant to who they are and is divisive and she simply identifies as female. On the wiki-bio talk page, an anon editor politely requested they be added to a transgender category. I politely declined explaining that the subject has not stated they are anything but female and there is no reliable source for the category. Another editor redacted the question and my answer as a BLP violation (just the word "transgender" was removed). An admin rev-deleted the request. My thought was that this reaction was a cis privileged response (with good intentions, but lacking understanding since the subject knows the answer and neither cis or trans would be offensive, just private). I felt it was a micro-aggression through shaming meaning that if it had been a transgender admirer or even just an observer watching the page, they would have seen that WP viewed the request as a negative, unsourced BLP violating request that is so shameful it needs to be hidden. I had no problem declining the edit request without a source but to associate with being shameful seemed to be a micro-aggression with a stereotype that it's demeaning to be part of that category. If the request had been to add them to a NativeAmerican category without a source, my answer would have been the same but I doubt there would need to a rev del and redaction of the request. It almost felt like the reaction was caste based with the privileged attitude of "if they want to identify as 'untouchables' it's fine and there is nothing wrong with being in the 'untouchble' caste. But suggesting someone is in that caste is reprehensible and shameful." Which message is being sent? Am I off base for feeling that reaction was a micro-aggression subtly telling transgender people that simply being transgender is a slur to cis priviliged people? --DHeyward (talk) 08:42, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Can you please check WP:SPEEDY and then self-revert? Abecedare (talk) 07:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- I replied on the article's talk page. I fully assume you are acting in good faith and it absolutely nothing against you. (And I as mistaken about who can remove speedy templates, I admit that.) EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 07:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Misunderstanding
I'm generally a protectionist in BLPs be they of any political view or faction, so it brings me great alarm when I see anyone who does nothing else but add negativity to a BLP. I get alarmed and rightfully should when this occurs, so my questioning of motives was more a strong suggestion that other things besides just the negative could surely be improved. Its staggering to see so much effort spend on adding negativity and so little on neutral mundane issues that are needed.--MONGO 06:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hi MONGO! I can understand your concern about Ubikwit's motives, especially given the predominance of his comments on that talk page. I also know that tensions are running high, especially given that case regarding Collect. I just really don't think that article talk page is the best place to address those issues, especially someone who is also party to that proposed case. I've honestly not taken the time to inspect anyone's contribs and don't think I can make any informed comments on anyone's patterns of behavior or possible intent other than Dear0Dear with whom I had past encounters with and is the reason I follow Robert Kagan, but if you feel there's a pattern of abuse, or at least bad faith editing, perhaps it can be presented in the evidence phase of the case? It does seem like the arbs will take the case. Anyway, you are a far more experienced editor than I and while I don't think those comments are the wisest given the circumstances, I won't push it further (and it's past my bedtime). I just wanted to attempt to defuse the situation if possible. Cheers and thanks for initiating conversation here! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 06:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)