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:I would say what the source says, which I did. If you can find another source to contradict the one cited then we can make whatever changes are necessary then. [[User:Eric Corbett| <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-weight:900; color:green;">Eric</span>]] [[User talk:Eric Corbett|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-weight:500;color: green;">Corbett</span>]] 14:15, 18 September 2015 (UTC) |
:I would say what the source says, which I did. If you can find another source to contradict the one cited then we can make whatever changes are necessary then. [[User:Eric Corbett| <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-weight:900; color:green;">Eric</span>]] [[User talk:Eric Corbett|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-weight:500;color: green;">Corbett</span>]] 14:15, 18 September 2015 (UTC) |
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Thank you. I didn't [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Montanabw#Support expect that]. Wow. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|<font color="purple">(talk)</font>]]</sup> 02:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC) |
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A cheeseburger for you!
Thank you for your work reviewing Good Articles! Without the hard work of users such as yourself there would be no classification of Good Articles on Wikipedia. Rubbish computer 23:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC) |
Moberly–Jourdain incident
I have absolutely no horse in this race—I've never heard of this topic, and only became aware of it because the long-departed Majorly has never been deleted from my watchlist and I was curious as to why anyone would be posting to his talkpage so many years after he left—but this GAR looks like one that might interest you or your TPWs, as whatever decisions are made there are likely to have a huge knock-on effect on other mythology, folklore and religion articles. ‑ iridescent 22:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I can get into enough trouble on my own, without any help from Majorly. I understand what you're saying though, I'll think about it. Eric Corbett 23:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Please
Can you have a look at Trinity Chain Pier for me? I just wrote it (I've been meaning to for a while) and it could probably do with a critical eye. --John (talk) 02:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- I've made a few little tweaks. That {{Inflation}} template isn't really suitable for converting the value of capital projects such as building a pier though. Added to which your conversion of £304548 is far too misleadingly accurate.
- I've had several discussions at FAC about the best way to deal with these conversions, and I'd suggest consulting Measuring Worth and using their historic opportunity cost conversion, which gives a value of £349,400. I'd also recommend adding a note giving the basis of your conversion, as in Note e. of Little Moreton Hall. Eric Corbett 16:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Eric, I think I made the same mistake with the Inflation template at Leeds and Liverpool Canal, I presume the same advice would suit?--17:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Trappedinburnley (talk • contribs)
- The {{inflation}} template only measures consumer price inflation, and is meaningless with regards to wages or capital projects prior to around 1950, as the entire market was totally different; it's intended for things like rent, tickets and cheap paintings where "what could the buyer have got if he'd chosen to spend it on clothes or food" is a meaningful question. (The template documentation does say this in huge bold letters at the top, but nobody ever seems to read it.) In my experience, for capital expenditure it's more useful to give comparisons to other things from the same period with which the readers is likely to be familiar ("The Fooville and Bartown Railway cost £100,000 to build, more than three times the cost of the navy's largest battleship"). ‑ iridescent 17:28, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments. I admit I did see the huge writing on the inflation template but disregarded it. I was going to fix, replace or remove it, but I forgot as I was carried away with the joys of creation. I am glad I brought it here for review before publicising it more widely, I had a feeling that would be a good thing to do. I will use the measuringworth website as Eric suggested. Anything else? My own feeling it that it's a shame that there seem not to be many good book sources which deal with what was an iconic landmark. The equivalent one in Brighton was the subject of a painting by Turner. This one; a few mentions in biographies and gazetteers, some local history sites, and a few grainy black-and-white images. Frustrating. --John (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Apart from the fact that the lead is obviously too short I think it's in pretty good shape. I've done something similar to what Iridescent is suggesting for the medieval period, comparing the cost of construction of a castle with the monarch's annual income for instance, but I think for the 19th century I'd go with one of the GDP comparisons. Eric Corbett
- I'd suggest pestering User:lirazelf—if we're going to go to the trouble of having a Wikimedian-in-Residence at Museums Galleries Scotland, it would be worth seeing if she can coax anything out of the bowels of the National Museum of Scotland or one of the local history museums. ‑ iridescent 19:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments. I admit I did see the huge writing on the inflation template but disregarded it. I was going to fix, replace or remove it, but I forgot as I was carried away with the joys of creation. I am glad I brought it here for review before publicising it more widely, I had a feeling that would be a good thing to do. I will use the measuringworth website as Eric suggested. Anything else? My own feeling it that it's a shame that there seem not to be many good book sources which deal with what was an iconic landmark. The equivalent one in Brighton was the subject of a painting by Turner. This one; a few mentions in biographies and gazetteers, some local history sites, and a few grainy black-and-white images. Frustrating. --John (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- @TrappedinBurnley: yes, indeed it would, exactly the same advice. Eric Corbett 19:34, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- I think I've got it sorted. Would you mind casting an eye over it to make sure I didn't do something daft? There are four instances.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 11:46, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
- The {{inflation}} template only measures consumer price inflation, and is meaningless with regards to wages or capital projects prior to around 1950, as the entire market was totally different; it's intended for things like rent, tickets and cheap paintings where "what could the buyer have got if he'd chosen to spend it on clothes or food" is a meaningful question. (The template documentation does say this in huge bold letters at the top, but nobody ever seems to read it.) In my experience, for capital expenditure it's more useful to give comparisons to other things from the same period with which the readers is likely to be familiar ("The Fooville and Bartown Railway cost £100,000 to build, more than three times the cost of the navy's largest battleship"). ‑ iridescent 17:28, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Eric, I think I made the same mistake with the Inflation template at Leeds and Liverpool Canal, I presume the same advice would suit?--17:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Trappedinburnley (talk • contribs)
- Thank you both, I had no idea such a position existed and I shall definitely pursue that line of inquiry. If User:lirazelf is not summoned by this ping here, I will go to her talk. I have expanded the lead a little and changed the currency calculation (it makes surprisingly little difference, but you are right that this is more accurate). Eric, thank you for the edits you made there too. --John (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you again, especially User:Iridescent for researching the original name of the pier, which certainly made finding old sources a lot easier. I also appreciate User:Lirazelf offering to help, and your copyedits. I am not sure, given the variety of names, that Old Chain Pier is the best title for the pub section, as it was undoubtedly named after a popular name for the pier. More importantly, I really need a beer and pub expert to research what the building was between being a Victorian swimming pier ticket office and an outré pub. Did you like the story about the crazy landlady with her swords and guns? She also used to wear bamboo glasses. A lot of local people I've talked to are aware of that story. I'd still like more sources, more sources. --John (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- Dig out local papers from the time of the pub's opening, as they'll almost certainly have something along the lines of "a new pub has opened in the building which was formerly a…" somewhere. Given its location, I would be surprised if it wasn't previously a military storeroom of some kind, in which case the 1945 date for conversion to other purposes would make obvious sense. ‑ iridescent 21:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
(Adding) If you're in Edinburgh, the big Waterstones on Princes Street has a very good local history section, and it would be worth browsing through there. ‑ iridescent 22:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- I took your advice, User:Iridescent. See what you think of it now. --John (talk) 02:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
- Added a big stack of rather nitpicky comments to the talkpage. You might want to poke your head in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Engineering, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scotland and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edinburgh to see if anyone's interested in having a look. ‑ iridescent 19:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
- I took your advice, User:Iridescent. See what you think of it now. --John (talk) 02:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
- Dig out local papers from the time of the pub's opening, as they'll almost certainly have something along the lines of "a new pub has opened in the building which was formerly a…" somewhere. Given its location, I would be surprised if it wasn't previously a military storeroom of some kind, in which case the 1945 date for conversion to other purposes would make obvious sense. ‑ iridescent 21:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you again, especially User:Iridescent for researching the original name of the pier, which certainly made finding old sources a lot easier. I also appreciate User:Lirazelf offering to help, and your copyedits. I am not sure, given the variety of names, that Old Chain Pier is the best title for the pub section, as it was undoubtedly named after a popular name for the pier. More importantly, I really need a beer and pub expert to research what the building was between being a Victorian swimming pier ticket office and an outré pub. Did you like the story about the crazy landlady with her swords and guns? She also used to wear bamboo glasses. A lot of local people I've talked to are aware of that story. I'd still like more sources, more sources. --John (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedy has been enacted:
- The Arbitration Committee delegates the drafters of this case to amend and clarify the text of the policy at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions and the text on Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement to bring them in line with the clarifications contained in this decision.
For the Arbitration Committee, L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 01:28, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration enforcement closed
United States v. Washington Featured Article Candidate
United States v. Washington is undergoing evaluation for possible promotion to Featured Article at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States v. Washington/archive1. If you feel up to it, I would love for you to stop by and give me your thoughts on this article. GregJackP Boomer! 19:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Not sure how close this is to you, I just passed it at GA as it was a nice read. Feel like I should give them a shove to FAC if poss. Anything to add? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:40, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Your edit summary
[1] hey, thank you. You seem to be quite competent yourself. --dab (𒁳) 10:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Borley Rectory article
Articles on Wikipedia should never make assertions or claims for the factual truth of religious beliefs and spiritual or supernatural phenomena. The reasons why doing so is not acceptable in a secular encyclopaedia should be obvious. Therefore it is required that your recent edits must be reverted. Afterwriting (talk) 18:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- I see nothing "religious" about hauntings. Ghosts clearly exist, they've been reported throughout history. The only question is, what is that people are actually reporting? I think in fact that it's you who's taken a wholly inappropriate religious stance, not me. Eric Corbett 18:44, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- Regardless of your beliefs about this your editing is a a clear violation of Wikipedia's policies. No claims of objective or factual truth about such things are ever acceptable. Afterwriting (talk) 18:51, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- This is not just my "opinion". And the onus is not on me to initiate further discussion on the talk page. Afterwriting (talk) 19:01, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- What "pseudo-religious stance" and "religious fervour"?! The onus is very clearly on you to attempt to justify making truth claims in articles in clear violation of Wikipedia's policies. Afterwriting (talk) 19:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Daft isn't it. This "fringe theory" thing really seems to be an American thing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Questionable GAs
Hi. History of Japan, a "level-4 vital article" was recently rewritten and submitted for GA review which it promptly passed. It opened with:
- "The first evidence of a human presence in Japan dates back to 200,000 years ago, but it was not until around 32,000 BC that an established Paleolithic culture came into being." (Correct answer "It is likely that humans first arrived in Japan hundreds of thousands of years ago by crossing the land bridges that have periodically formed ... The earliest undisputed evidence of human habitation is of Late Paleolithic hunter-gatherers, from about 35,000 years ago.")
- and next section: "Today historians generally believe that the Yayoi culture was established by invaders from the Asian mainland who conquered the native Jōmon people." (Correct answer "The Yayoi technologies originated on the Asian mainland. There is debate among scholars as to what extent their spread was accomplished by means of migration or simply a diffusion of ideas, or a combination of both.")
The article is now being dealt with, but maybe you or a talk page watcher might want to find and look at the reviewer's other claimed 235 GA reviews - especially any that fall outside of the scope of pop culture (their field of expertise, judging from their claimed GAs). There could be a lot of similar efforts out there marked with a '+'. This doesn't look like much of a review to me. Cheers, anyway. zzz (talk) 23:37, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Discussed here zzz (talk) 06:40, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- This has been going on for some time. Only a few days ago I had cause to report this as the reviewer was quickly passing GAs in order to get their score up. CassiantoTalk 08:09, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Getting the first evidence of people in Japan wrong by 150,000 years seems like a bigger deal than getting the weight of cattle wrong by a couple of %, but point taken (I think). The Japan review is far less detailed than that of the cattle, though. zzz (talk) 08:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- The article is clearly not ready for reviewing in its current state. I nearly made a couple of additions, but I should gain some perspective first as I have not edited in this field. Excuse the disruption. zzz (talk) 13:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Workhouse
I see you reverted my edit to the page "Workhouse." I have no problems with it, but I figure I should ask.. Does Wikipedia officially use British or 'murican English? Wertercatt (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)Since there is no such thing as
'murican
English and no place for such slang in an encyclopedia, your question is pointless. However, if what you are asking is whether Wikipedia uses British or American English, the answer is that both are used. See MOS:ENGVAR. GregJackP Boomer! 17:16, 5 September 2015 (UTC)- (talk page stalker) It depends on the article, best to use whichever form is already being used and do not go through and change it all absent consensus. Montanabw(talk) 20:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Interested by your usage of "absent" as a preposition, Montanabw, meaning "in the absence of" or "without", I checked the Oxford English Dictionary - which identifies it as a U.S. legal term. I must admit I'd never come across it until recently, and then mostly in Wikipedia discussions. But then Wikipedia discussions can tend to legalism. Is it in MOS:ENGVAR? John O'London (talk) 10:54, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- Well, I'd best take the fifth on that! LOL! Montanabw(talk) 20:54, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Interested by your usage of "absent" as a preposition, Montanabw, meaning "in the absence of" or "without", I checked the Oxford English Dictionary - which identifies it as a U.S. legal term. I must admit I'd never come across it until recently, and then mostly in Wikipedia discussions. But then Wikipedia discussions can tend to legalism. Is it in MOS:ENGVAR? John O'London (talk) 10:54, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) It depends on the article, best to use whichever form is already being used and do not go through and change it all absent consensus. Montanabw(talk) 20:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Rod Steiger
Good to see you back Eric. I intend to take Rod Steiger to FAC later in the week, I wondered if you could give it a read and edit beforehand? It looks in good shape to me, but I'm sure you'll spot a fair few things!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
GAR input
Hey Eric, can you look at Chrome Division and Alphastates, articles I've nominated for GA reassessment? Thanks in advance.--Retrohead (talk) 17:28, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Freida Pinto
Hi Eric, hope you're doing good now. I've nominated the above article for FAC. It's been quite a while since I last wrote a BLP. I would be really grateful if you could give a full read and spot prose glitches which I might have missed. Thanks, —Vensatry (ping) 11:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
This article about an ice cream company in your neck of the woods just came in on CAT:CSD. I've tidied up but since you're local you (or any of the Greater Manchester regulars) might be able to do a better job, I dare say? I've got a gut feeling they were probably more popular in the early - mid 20th century than nowadays. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:40, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
opinion notability of murders vs murderers
As you've been active at Moors Murders article, I thought I would seek your opinion about a similar article. I've suggested a page move at Talk:Peter_Sutcliffe#Proposed_page_move. It seems logical to me that we should have an article about a set of murders in preference to a biography of a murderer, in exactly the same way as the Moors. What are your thoughts? Is there a difference between the two cases I am missing? --ℕ ℱ 21:09, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
R. M. Ballantyne
I saw you reverted my edited on R. M. Ballantyne. I can't read the source because it is behind a paywall. But more of Ballantyne's books other than the Coral Island are obviously certainly read. There are reviews for them on Amazon and Goodreads.
How would you clarify the article to say that the Coral Island is most read, but not the only of his books that is read? Jehorn (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- I would say what the source says, which I did. If you can find another source to contradict the one cited then we can make whatever changes are necessary then. Eric Corbett 14:15, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Wow
Thank you. I didn't expect that. Wow. Montanabw(talk) 02:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)