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== How to research 19th and 20th century women 101 == |
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If you are reasearching women in historical newspaper, for example "Isophene Goodin Bailhache", and you search for "Isophene Goodin Bailhache", or "Isophene G. Bailhache" or "Isophene Bailhache" and you find zero result and then said, oh well, this woman is not notable, you have just failed your entry exam in Women History. Women, in the 19th and 20th century, if married, lost their identity and they became, in this case "Mrs John Mason Bailhache" or "Mrs John M. Bailhache" or "Mrs John Bailhache" or "Mrs Bailhache": all of these searches have results, Mrs Bailhace has even more than 600 hits. --[[User:Elisa.rolle|Elisa.rolle]] ([[User talk:Elisa.rolle#top|talk]]) 15:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC) |
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- SusunW, may you please add this portrait to the article I created on Inez Mabel Crawford? Thank you, Elisa.rolle (talk) 18:57, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- The image bottom has in big legible letters "Barker" and in smaller less-legible letters "Ottawa Kansas". (Unfortunately no date; the even smaller and even less legible text is his opening hours.) That probably means A. W. Barker, who appears to have left Ottawa before 1900. So your "before 1923" date looks good, and the place matches where Crawford is from. Looks legit to me. Added. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:40, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- David Eppstein, thank you for finding the tip about the photographer proving the date around 1890s. I was almost sure about that giving the looking of Inez, she is a girl there for sure not the old lady she should have been if the photo was after 1923. Pity someone else decided to crop it removing the details of the photographer, but at least you put it in the description. Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- You're welcome! I think that by cropping the bottom without also cropping the top they made it look unbalanced. But maybe that's just me. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you David Eppstein I was off-line most of the day yesterday dealing with real life stuff. Sorry I couldn't help Elisa, but glad David stepped in. SusunW (talk) 15:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- David Eppstein, I actually was thinking the same, forgot to crop it more then; have cropped it now to a more standard portrait ratio. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's better. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:58, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- You're welcome! I think that by cropping the bottom without also cropping the top they made it look unbalanced. But maybe that's just me. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
The article John Frey and Peter Morris has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
No indication of fulfillment of WP:GNG.
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will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- Ymblanter, thank you and I'm not opposed to the idea of renaming the page John Frey if you think is better, but please leave the info about Peter Morris, he may not be worthy of his own page, but he was an essential part of Frey's life, as testify by their tombstone. Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Nomination of John Frey and Peter Morris for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article John Frey and Peter Morris is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Frey and Peter Morris until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:17, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Ymblanter, you removed the propose deletion tag from the article, so maybe you can do something on the AfD? I'm indef-blocked so I cannot do much. I'm pretty sure that researching John Frey, more it will be available about his academic relevance. As for Morris he was a minor author, so not sure he is meeting notability as his own, that is the reason why, given the common tombstone, I included him in Frey's article, and I'm not opposed to the idea of renaming the page just for Frey. Elisa.rolle (talk) 09:32, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Note: I'm pretty tired to be "accused" of canvassing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Frey and Peter Morris. a) if you post an AfD on an article of mine while I'm indef-blocked, I cannot do much to save the article if not posting on my own talk page, considering I'm not even able to comment on that AfD. b) the canvassing page states "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus. Canvassing is notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way, and is considered inappropriate. This is because it compromises the normal consensus decision-making process, and therefore is generally considered disruptive behavior." Above I pinged ONE editor who had removed the propose deletion tag from the article; to this user I told that probably the article can be improved (considering I cannot do that) and BTW I also admitted that a renaming of the article would be useful. Therefore sorry, this is not canvassing, and I'm TIRED of pointing finger people. Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- David Eppstein, if I may, I would rewrite the article in this way:
Proposed rewrite
John Andrew Frey (August 29, 1929 – August 22, 1997) was a specialist in 19th century French literature, an author of books on French symbolism, Emile Zola, and Victor Hugo.
Early life
John "Jack" Andrew Frey was born on August 29, 1929, the son of George Henry Frey and Marie Berter. He attended Catholic University and was a Fulbright Scholar.[1] In 1955 he collaborated to The Stylistic Relationship Between Poetry and Prose in the Cántico Espiritual of San Juan de la Cruz, Volumes 52-55.[2] He graduated in 1957 and his thesis was Motif symbolism in the disciples of Mallarmé, which he published in 1969.[3]
Career
John Frey became a professor of Romance Languages at George Washington University. He was a specialist in 19th century French literature, and was an author of books on French symbolism (The aesthetics of the Rougon-Macquart, 1976),[4] Emile Zola, and Victor Hugo (Les Contemplations of Victor Hugo: The Ash Wednesday Liturgy, 1988,[5] and A Victor Hugo Encyclopedia, 1999[6]). He also wrote magazine articles on François-René de Chateaubriand, Honoré de Balzac, Washington Irving, and Andre Gide.[1][3] Frey criticized the use of medieval imagery in symbolist writing: "The whole representation of the Middle Ages, the captive princess, the enchanted castles, fairies, ghosts, and knights-errants... is oriented towards a sensualism. One is reminded of Swinburne making use of the Pre-Raphaelities in England... It is the cloaking of earthly desires in a mantle of aristocracy, of manor houses, gilded ladies, estates swarming with peacocks and swans, of boat and garden parties, and the perpetual games of love."[7]
Personal life
Frey met his longtime partner, Peter Morris (December 29, 1929 - August 29, 2010), while they were both students at Catholic University. Even if fellow students, they did not met at college, but at what was at the time Washington, D.C., most popular gay venues, the Chicken Hut, a piano bar/restaurant on H Street near Lafayette Park. The Mattachine Society sponsored biweekly Sunday afternoon gay dances.[1] Morris was born on December 29, 1929, in Peekskill, New York, the son of Louis Morris and Dorothea Chaplin.[8] He was an expert in French cuisine. He was on the Board of Directors of Dignity, a gay Catholic Organization, and co-authored their community cookbook.[1]
John Frey and Peter Morris were together 43 years. Frey died on August 22, 1997, Morris died on August 29, 2010. They are buried together in the gay corner of the Congressional Cemetery, in Washington, D.C.[1] Their tomb are two benches and a table, inviting people to sit and read their inscription: "Us While wandering down the back roads Of my mind I came upon a memory of us Faces garden-fresh blooming and Full of promise. My inner-eye welled up Furrows have etched their way Into our fields of being. What had youth's straightness Now bends and curves into Accommodation. We have become ourselves Not alone, but with each other's Help. On the face of it, youth's bloom Has gone Replaced by hardier stuff Whose roots are deep and all Encompassing. How fortunate we were to Have loved each other then And even more so, to still Love each other Now. Forty-three years together Is not enough But we will be together again. John Andrew Frey August 29, 1929 August 22, 1997 Peter Louis Morris December 29, 1929 August 29, 2010 In Memory of our Parents George Henry Frey Marie Berter Frey Louis Morris Sr. Dorothea Chaplin Morris And our pets, Bucky, Pudgy, Major, Jelp I II, Rosh I II III, Franah I II, Mime I II, Madame"[1]
References
- ^ a b c d e f "A KEY - Leonard Matlovich" (PDF). Retrieved 24 September 2017.
- ^ The Stylistic Relationship Between Poetry and Prose in the Cántico Espiritual of San Juan de la Cruz, Volumes 52-55. Catholic University of America Press. 1955. Retrieved 29 September 2017.
- ^ a b "Frey, John Andrew (1929-)". Retrieved 29 September 2017.
- ^ Reviews of The aesthetics of the Rougon-Macquart:
- Baguley, David (January 1980), French Forum, 5 (1): 80–81, JSTOR 40551050
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- Baguley, David (January 1980), French Forum, 5 (1): 80–81, JSTOR 40551050
- ^ Reviews of Les Contemplations of Victor Hugo:
- Erickson, John D. (Fall–Winter 1988–1989), Nineteenth-Century French Studies, 17 (1/2): 228–230, JSTOR 23532530
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- Erickson, John D. (Fall–Winter 1988–1989), Nineteenth-Century French Studies, 17 (1/2): 228–230, JSTOR 23532530
- ^ Review of A Victor Hugo encyclopedia:
- ^ Haralson, Eric L.; Hollander, John (1998). Encyclopedia of American Poetry: The nineteenth century. Taylor & Francis. p. 299. Retrieved 29 September 2017.
- ^ "Peter L. Morris". http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/washingtonpost/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=145070903.
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Even if Morris is not an important author, consider that Dignity [1] is still a strong organization in the US. Thank you, Elisa.rolle (talk) 22:26, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- PamD, thank you for how you tweaked the layout. Elisa.rolle (talk) 08:06, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
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How to research 19th and 20th century women 101
If you are reasearching women in historical newspaper, for example "Isophene Goodin Bailhache", and you search for "Isophene Goodin Bailhache", or "Isophene G. Bailhache" or "Isophene Bailhache" and you find zero result and then said, oh well, this woman is not notable, you have just failed your entry exam in Women History. Women, in the 19th and 20th century, if married, lost their identity and they became, in this case "Mrs John Mason Bailhache" or "Mrs John M. Bailhache" or "Mrs John Bailhache" or "Mrs Bailhache": all of these searches have results, Mrs Bailhace has even more than 600 hits. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 15:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)