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:Why not ask [[User:Materialscientist]] who did the blocks whether he thinks this is necessary. It seems unlikely we would get a complaint for leaving promotion in the history, as opposed to valuable content that somebody was hoping to get money for publishing. If RD was done it would need to remove most of the history. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston#top|talk]]) 21:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC) |
:Why not ask [[User:Materialscientist]] who did the blocks whether he thinks this is necessary. It seems unlikely we would get a complaint for leaving promotion in the history, as opposed to valuable content that somebody was hoping to get money for publishing. If RD was done it would need to remove most of the history. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston#top|talk]]) 21:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC) |
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::That's the first time I've heard a pragmatic distinction made re: copyright issues. Understood, and I'll leave it be. [[Special:Contributions/2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63|2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63]] ([[User talk:2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63|talk]]) 21:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC) |
::That's the first time I've heard a pragmatic distinction made re: copyright issues. Understood, and I'll leave it be. [[Special:Contributions/2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63|2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63]] ([[User talk:2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63|talk]]) 21:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Parga article protection == |
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The article [[Parga]] has seen a surge of disruption and edit-revert warring over a questionable new content that some editors are trying to ram into the article despite objections and concerns expressed about it from the other editors. The new content dispute wasn't discussed adequately and no [[WP:CONSENSUS]] has been achieved yet for its inclusion. Can you do something about the article? Edit warring leads nowhere and an article protection will be much appreciated until the content dispute is settled down. --- <span style="text-shadow:#CCC 0.1em 0.3em 0.3em; font-family: Trebuchet MS">[[User:SilentResident|❖ ''SilentResident'' ❖]] <sup>([[User talk:SilentResident|talk ✉]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilentResident|contribs ✎]])</sup></span> 19:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC) |
Revision as of 19:11, 4 November 2020
Continued LTA/socks
New IPs continue the pattern at 21st century and 2020 in the Philippines from User talk:58.71.120.251 and Yaysmay15. The latest IP: 122.53.222.45 (talk · contribs · 122.53.222.45 WHOIS). Is it time for these articles to be semi-protected or PC-protected? — MarkH21talk 16:23, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I've blocked Special:Contributions/122.53.128.0/17 for two weeks and marked it as User:Yaysmay15. That may be of some help, but he ranges very widely. Also semiprotected 2020 in the Philippines for two months. EdJohnston (talk) 02:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Another personal attack
Thanks for your help last time around, but it looks like the disruption continues at Talk:Cedar Point. The responses are becoming more aggressive and direct, and now from a different IP range. Apparently they are having a hard time dropping the stick. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'll second the motion. This IP user has gone far beyond being a mere annoyance.—JlACEer (talk) 14:50, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I have proposed some action to User:NinjaRobotPirate on their talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 02:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
ARBPIA3
Just on a finer point of policy, Ed, I'd appreciate your view. At Hamas, there is a User:Watchlonly, who registered recently, and went straight to this article, and since, of his 97 edits, a significant number consist of argufying or joining sides on the talk page. Of course, anyone can, regardless of the rule about direct editing rights, drop in and make a suggestion: I am not challenging that. But his views are now being counted in consensus calculations as to what can be edited in, and what not. This strikes me as potential gaming, if not a form of WP:Meatpuppetry, in the sense of participating in discussions to determine their outcome by numbers. His suggestions, adopted by others, become proxy edits, objectively. Secondly, it seems odd to me that, while the 500/30 rule was designed to get new editors to prove themselves outside the I/P field, this chap is ratcheting up his count (so far 97) towards that figure largely by Hamas talk page comments.
I don't think this was foreseen as a possibility. To me it looks very much like a loophole has been found which gets round the broad drift of the original rule, i.e. stay off I/P articles until you have done 500 edits. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify the technical position here. Best regards Nishidani (talk) 21:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think Arbcom wanted to leave ARBPIA *talk* pages open for new editors. If you think there is abuse, you could ask for EC protection of Talk:Hamas but there could be controversy at such a step. EdJohnston (talk) 03:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- In other words, there is no explicit Arbcom consideration of matter, but we are stuck with guessing at what their intentions might have been? Nishidani (talk) 16:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4#ARBPIA General Sanctions:
Editors who are not eligible to be extended-confirmed may use the Talk: namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive. Talk pages where disruption occurs may be managed by any of the methods noted in paragraph b). This exception does not apply to other internal project discussions such as AfDs, WikiProjects, RfCs, noticeboard discussions, etc.
- This appears to state that editors who are not extended confirmed may *not* participate in RfCs. I didn't know that. EdJohnston (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4#ARBPIA General Sanctions:
- In other words, there is no explicit Arbcom consideration of matter, but we are stuck with guessing at what their intentions might have been? Nishidani (talk) 16:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
not my edits
f.y.i., prior to this year, i have never posted ANY edits to the Cedar Point page, before this year. But, nice job alluding to someone else's long-ago edits (via their totally different i.p. and location, than me). but you make me wonder if wikipedia is under the control of any sane people, any longer. oh well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B14A:EF3:84B7:C9E4:65B:951D (talk) 12:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Typo in header
The same message with the same typo in the header was spammed to three user talkpages — all the three users who were considering the same unblock request. I've just complained about that here. So, about the headers... Bishonen | tålk 18:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC).
- Sorry, it's hard for me to control myself when I see a spelling mistake. EdJohnston (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
How does the local ban work?
Hi, John! I was topic banned from all topics covering WP:ARBEE, in order to avoid further violations by mistake, I would like to ask you, how does that this ban work? If there is a page that I'm not allowed to modify due to my topic ban, will Wikipedia's code allow me to do the edit or I can't do it automatically due to Wikipedia's code? If there isn't an automatic restriction, how can I tell which Wikipedia article I am or I'm not allowed to edit? I understand the topic ban is on "Eastern Europe", does the topic ban involve all articles about Eastern Europe? Or just all articles about the history of Eastern Europe? Is the topic ban about all articles on the history of Eastern Europe or just all controversial articles about Eastern Europe? how can I tell which articles is labeled as controversial or in debate, and which article isn't labeled controversial? thank you! LordRogalDorn (talk) 23:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- The software does not enforce your ban. You need to observe the limitations yourself by checking whether the topic of each article (or talk page) is related to Eastern Europe. The ban as its worded now covers *everything* to do with Eastern Europe. Attempts to fine-tune bans often lead to difficulties, so I'd recommend you avoid the area completely. EdJohnston (talk) 23:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
- Just breached the topic ban [[1]], although *everything* is unambigous. I deliberately did not answer the meassage, however what is status quo ante have already been explained to this user earlier, and I really won't wish to enter futher explanations, because the outcome unfortunately we may assume.(KIENGIR (talk) 05:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC))
- I didn't edit any of the two pages, I didn't even write on their talk pages, I merely told you that you accidentaly removed parts of the status quo when you restored the status quo, not to get to a fight but because I genuinely assumed you did it by mistake. How was that breaching the topic ban? It seems you care more about having me banned than building an encyclopedia. Yes, you already explained me what is status quo ante, the version of the article before any edit warring or discussion on the talk page began. In other words, the last version with consensus. This part:
The historian Keith Hitchins summarised the situation created by the award in his book "Rumania: 1866-1947 (Oxford History of Modern Europe), Oxford University Press, 1994": Far from settling matters, the Vienna Award had exacerbated relations between Romania and Hungary. It did not solve the nationality problem by separating all Magyars from all Romanians. Some 1,150,000 to 1,300,000 Romanians, or 48 per cent to over 50 per cent of the population of the ceded territory, depending upon whose statistics are used, remained north of the new frontier, while about 500,000 Magyars (other Hungarian estimates go as high as 800,000, Romanian as low as 363,000) continued to reside in the south.
- Was already in the Hungarian irredentism [[2]] page before we began discussing, was sourced and had consensus. Not to mention, that our discussion wasn't about Keith Hitchins' quote. Nobody contested Keith Hitchins' quote, not you, not me, not someone else. While in World War II [[3]] page, you gave your consensus for adding Keith Hitchins' quote. But do whatever you want, I didn't come to your talk page to pick a fight with you but because I genuinely assumed you removed that information by mistake. LordRogalDorn (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- And you continue, despite another editor as well warned you by courtesy [[4]]. Unless an administrator does not openly ask me to answer/explain you (again...), I won't enter this show again (since the reality contrary what you claim is a bit different, not understanding our policies/results/outcomes; their correlations is a problem, but I really stopped here).(KIENGIR (talk) 06:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC))
- And you continue to make a soap opera out of a simple mention that you forgot to add something. I didn't see that editor's message, but you probably know that "another editor" just so happens to be a Hungarian (just like you) so his impartiality on the Hungarian - Romanian issue is out of the question, on top of being Hungarian, he's the same Hungarian that I had the dispute with that resulted in this local ban, where he supposedly explained something but actually didn't explain anything. So beside his lack of impartiality on the issue, that "by courtesy" is probably the last reason he warned me for. This may come as a shock to you, but I trust that he's saying that in good faith as much as I trust you. Unless an administrator does not openly tell me that WP:ARBEE also includes talks on a user's page, I won't take your or Borsoka's word for it. But regardless of what an admin says, I don't care about entering this show again, and you have made your point that you care more about having me banned than building an encyclopedia, the reason I gave you that message was because I genuinely hoped you are acting in good faith, now I know what I'm dealing with, consider yourself left alone. LordRogalDorn (talk) 06:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- @LordRogalDorn: editors and administrators are not here to explain you simple policies and bans. If you do not respect your ban, you will be banned from the whole community. This is my second and last message on this subject before taking you to ANI for breaking your ban and for your WP:NOTHERE mentality. I feel sorry that I supported a topic ban instead of a general ban ([5]). Borsoka (talk) 08:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- User:LordRogalDorn, topic bans are explained at WP:TBAN. It seems that you have technically violated your ban by continuing to talk about Eastern European issues on a user talk page here. Please avoid this in the future. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- I understand, sorry about that, I won't talk about the local banned topic on a user talk page in the future. LordRogalDorn (talk) 19:56, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- User:LordRogalDorn, topic bans are explained at WP:TBAN. It seems that you have technically violated your ban by continuing to talk about Eastern European issues on a user talk page here. Please avoid this in the future. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- @LordRogalDorn: editors and administrators are not here to explain you simple policies and bans. If you do not respect your ban, you will be banned from the whole community. This is my second and last message on this subject before taking you to ANI for breaking your ban and for your WP:NOTHERE mentality. I feel sorry that I supported a topic ban instead of a general ban ([5]). Borsoka (talk) 08:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- And you continue to make a soap opera out of a simple mention that you forgot to add something. I didn't see that editor's message, but you probably know that "another editor" just so happens to be a Hungarian (just like you) so his impartiality on the Hungarian - Romanian issue is out of the question, on top of being Hungarian, he's the same Hungarian that I had the dispute with that resulted in this local ban, where he supposedly explained something but actually didn't explain anything. So beside his lack of impartiality on the issue, that "by courtesy" is probably the last reason he warned me for. This may come as a shock to you, but I trust that he's saying that in good faith as much as I trust you. Unless an administrator does not openly tell me that WP:ARBEE also includes talks on a user's page, I won't take your or Borsoka's word for it. But regardless of what an admin says, I don't care about entering this show again, and you have made your point that you care more about having me banned than building an encyclopedia, the reason I gave you that message was because I genuinely hoped you are acting in good faith, now I know what I'm dealing with, consider yourself left alone. LordRogalDorn (talk) 06:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- And you continue, despite another editor as well warned you by courtesy [[4]]. Unless an administrator does not openly ask me to answer/explain you (again...), I won't enter this show again (since the reality contrary what you claim is a bit different, not understanding our policies/results/outcomes; their correlations is a problem, but I really stopped here).(KIENGIR (talk) 06:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC))
- Just breached the topic ban [[1]], although *everything* is unambigous. I deliberately did not answer the meassage, however what is status quo ante have already been explained to this user earlier, and I really won't wish to enter futher explanations, because the outcome unfortunately we may assume.(KIENGIR (talk) 05:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC))
- John, I would like to make an appeal for the local ban, I read over the links you provided me, but I don't know where is "the appropriate forum" in this case? Don't worry, I'm not going to make a very long explanation on why the trial was unfair, how I was railroaded with a false narrative and why I was actually right. I'm simply going to acknowledge my mistakes and name them, say that I have learned my lesson and I understand the way Wikipedia works now, promise that I won't do it again and hope for the best. LordRogalDorn (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- LordRogalDorn, if you want to appeal your topic ban from WP:ARBEE, you can do so by following the steps of WP:AC/DS#Appeals. This link was in your notice though it is not very visible. I would not lift the ban myself until, as I said when issuing it, "your editing outside this domain gives examples of you working successfully with others on difficult topics". EdJohnston (talk) 13:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the links, I will make an appeal. I see what you mean, you just want to make sure unnecessary conflict is avoided and that my contribution to Wikipedia is overall positive. In order to give you examples of working successfully with others, I would have to engage in conflicts the first place, which I would like to avoid. I understand now the way Wikipedia works and what I am supposed to do. If it ever comes down to a conflict, I will not engage in an edit war but simply talk on the talk page with civility, should we not be unable to reach a compromise or concensus, I'll either make a post at an RFC or relevant noticeboard and respect their decision. Considering the accusations of WP:NOTHERE, I believe the fact that everything I added was sourced (although some sources I used, primary ones, are not allowed on Wikipedia, I didn't know that, I know this now) and nothing I added was a troll edit is evidence enough this is not the case. I know I made mistakes and I don't want to do them again: engaging in an edit war, engaging in heated discussion with personal attacks that had little to do with the subject at hand, insisting on primary sources. I didn't know the way Wikipedia's policy worked back then, I should have known it but I didn't. Now I understand the way Wikipedia's policy works and I will abide by it. LordRogalDorn (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- I made the appeal here [[6]] at the AN. LordRogalDorn (talk) 20:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the links, I will make an appeal. I see what you mean, you just want to make sure unnecessary conflict is avoided and that my contribution to Wikipedia is overall positive. In order to give you examples of working successfully with others, I would have to engage in conflicts the first place, which I would like to avoid. I understand now the way Wikipedia works and what I am supposed to do. If it ever comes down to a conflict, I will not engage in an edit war but simply talk on the talk page with civility, should we not be unable to reach a compromise or concensus, I'll either make a post at an RFC or relevant noticeboard and respect their decision. Considering the accusations of WP:NOTHERE, I believe the fact that everything I added was sourced (although some sources I used, primary ones, are not allowed on Wikipedia, I didn't know that, I know this now) and nothing I added was a troll edit is evidence enough this is not the case. I know I made mistakes and I don't want to do them again: engaging in an edit war, engaging in heated discussion with personal attacks that had little to do with the subject at hand, insisting on primary sources. I didn't know the way Wikipedia's policy worked back then, I should have known it but I didn't. Now I understand the way Wikipedia's policy works and I will abide by it. LordRogalDorn (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- LordRogalDorn, if you want to appeal your topic ban from WP:ARBEE, you can do so by following the steps of WP:AC/DS#Appeals. This link was in your notice though it is not very visible. I would not lift the ban myself until, as I said when issuing it, "your editing outside this domain gives examples of you working successfully with others on difficult topics". EdJohnston (talk) 13:52, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Cardano extended confirmed.
- Cardano (cryptocurrency platform) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi EdJohnston :
I was wondering as to why Cardano is now placed under extended confirmed? The user complaint made namely refers to users with over 500+ edits removing information and reverting edits. In particular, this is referring to David G. I believe (judging by the original complaint). I also saw you referred to "new" users making unjustified edits, one of which includes myself. Does the removal of an "unreliable source" tag really justify blocking an entire page? The tag I removed was in reference to a TNO publication - a national institute for science/research/technology... https://www.tno.nl/en/, it even has its own wiki page -> Nederlandse Organisatie voor toegepast-natuurwetenschappelijk onderzoek / also an english version available. I justified this in the comments and could easily have been reverted / undone. I sincerely apologize if this was not correct. Placing this page in a higher category for edits will ensure this page stagnates for months instead of coming to a consensus quickly.. Thank you & sorry for the long winded comment ;) Blockchainus Maximus (talk) 12:43, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- If you have good arguments for removing the 'unreliable source' tag, please make them on the talk page. If agreement can't be reached there, you could also try the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Wikipedia has suffered from promotional editing in the past, in the area of cryptocurrency. That is why we have the restrictions. In fact, we still have the phrase "Cardano is developed and designed from a scientific philosophy by a team of leading academics and engineers" which in most other articles, would be removed as WP:PEACOCK language. EdJohnston (talk) 14:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- As I stated above ^ TNO is an enormous company with 2600+ scientists, engineers etc https://www.tno.nl/en/about-tno/ that performs work for industry (Shell, national defense, construction, energy transitions etc) and I described this in my edit comment when removing the tag. If the edit were so contentious I would happily have allowed someone to revert my change and dispute it on the talk page. The individual who placed TNO as being an "unreliable" source also has no consequences and without proof (no mention/justification on talk page) is allowed to publicly smear a source such as TNO whilst its removal for justified reasons is punished as I am no longer able to make edits. Regardless of whether or not I am a new editor I am trying to do what is right and I checked both the source & wiki guidelines before making any changes. I realize and have read the comments on the talk page about promotional editing - it is indeed a very valid concern and I would agree with you there is much to do to improve phrasing and language. However many "enthusiastic" editors, myself included, are now no longer able to contribute and reach consensus quickly.Blockchainus Maximus (talk) 16:15, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Please remove blocking on Cardano page
What has happened to “the open-door policy of allowing anyone to edit had made Wikipedia the biggest and possibly the best encyclopedia in the world, and was a testament to the vision of Jimmy Wales”? By all means, block the user who is warring, but about a dozen other people appear to be trying to improve this page, which has only just been released from draft, and they should be allowed to continue to do so.
You make an aside: “the phrase ‘Cardano is developed and designed from a scientific philosophy by a team of leading academics and engineers" which in most other articles, would be removed as WP:PEACOCK language’.” The academic underpinnings of Cardano are one of the factors that distinguish it from previous blockchains, which simply released white papers from their PR departments. Research for Cardano is funded at 4 universities and is submitted for peer review at cryptography conferences. The algorithm that runs Cardano has been accepted by rival researcher Elaine Shi as the first proof-of-stake algorithm proven to be mathematically secure (at CRYPTO 2017). A search shows that 160 Wikipedia pages use the phrase “leading academics”, and 43 “leading engineers” (“leading companies”: 632, there is a Wikipedia section for them). The “leading academics” working on Cardano’s development include Philip Wadler, Emilios Avgouleas and Elias Koutsoupias (but just saying that on their Wikipedia pages may get you blocked as a spammer!). By all means ask for these claims to be justified, but the blocking will have to be lifted before this can be done – at present this is a Wikipedia Catch 22. IOHKwriter (talk) 16:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Blockchainus Maximus (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, it is the community that reviews the actions of 'ipsos custodes'. While you are waiting, consider perusing the 35 archives of Talk:Bitcoin to become aware of the strife that has affected this topic area. If you believe the protection of Cardano (cryptocurrency platform) is unnecessary, feel free to appeal the protection at WP:RFUP. EdJohnston (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yet you decide. Blockchainus Maximus (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- @EdJohnston: would you please reconsider undoing the increased protections? It has crippled any improvement on the page as I had feared. Almost 40+ edits were made in a couple days prior to the upped protections and since then progress has crawled to a halt with no major improvements... Is this just going to stagnate for a year until someone with enough edits is able to make changes? Blockchainus Maximus (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Blockchainus. I wouldn't remove the protection, but I notice you have made an edit request at Talk:Cardano (cryptocurrency platform)#Minor edits. Why not see if you can get a response from either User:CaptainEek or User:David Gerard and find out if they will support your changes. Somehow I would guess you'll get more support if you could drop "with a scientific philosophy" from your proposal. Some editors might interpret that phrase as boosterism with no actual content. EdJohnston (talk) 17:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- @EdJohnston: would you please reconsider undoing the increased protections? It has crippled any improvement on the page as I had feared. Almost 40+ edits were made in a couple days prior to the upped protections and since then progress has crawled to a halt with no major improvements... Is this just going to stagnate for a year until someone with enough edits is able to make changes? Blockchainus Maximus (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yet you decide. Blockchainus Maximus (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, it is the community that reviews the actions of 'ipsos custodes'. While you are waiting, consider perusing the 35 archives of Talk:Bitcoin to become aware of the strife that has affected this topic area. If you believe the protection of Cardano (cryptocurrency platform) is unnecessary, feel free to appeal the protection at WP:RFUP. EdJohnston (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello @EdJohnston:. This is regarding User:CuriousGolden reported by User:Գարիկ Ավագյան case on the edit warring admin board. User today still engaged in reverting edits on the topic of Nagorno-Karabakh particularly 2020 Ganja ballistic missile attack article. The said revert is substantial to the topic, and removes any reference to preceding attacks on civilians in Stepanakert and the weapons used. The user had done the revert despite there being two open discussions on it and he/she being part of one of them. Isn't the agreement to stay away from the Nagorno-Karabakh topic for two weeks? Thank you--Sataralynd (talk) 15:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- The AN3 was closed with the agreement by Curious Golden to stay away 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and its talk page. If you believe this voluntary restriction is not sufficient, you could file a request at WP:Arbitration enforcement. But that's a heavyweight process and may not always get the result you are hoping for. It would be better to first attempt to get agreement using the steps of WP:Dispute resolution. EdJohnston (talk) 16:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will attempt to resolve the dispute.--Sataralynd (talk) 02:38, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Leorto95 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Hello, I just noticed you blocked him due to removing the AIV report. While obviously people shouldn't be deleting reports of themselves, his edits do not appear to be vandalism; rather, it appears to be a bad-faith report by someone involved in an edit war. Hence, I declined to block and protected the article involved. Leorto95 appears to be a new editor who probably wasn't particularly aware of the fact that you can't just delete reports about yourself, especially when the reporting person is making dubious vandalism claims.
Arguably, both editors could be blocked for edit warring since they both exceeded the three revert rule, but I personally felt it would be best to just protect the article since Leorto95 had not been warned about edit warring—he just received highly-dubious vandalism warnings. I don't think blocking just one of the editors is the right call, though. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your note. I have unblocked Leorto95 (talk · contribs), and ought to have checked AIV for a prior action before issuing a block. I may have relied on what I saw on my watchlist which is perhaps risky. EdJohnston (talk) 17:15, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I never have a vandalism for Wikipedia. I just make the article better. I love Wikipedia. Leorto95 (talk) 17:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Al-Ahbash Protection
Would you consider unprotecting this article, at least on a trial basis? It's been fairly quiet and I'd like to expand it. I've made some comments on the talk page with some of my thoughts on the article. Thanks! 2601:243:2200:60E:D0C9:C5D3:6655:BA57 (talk) 16:38, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not convinced. In the past this has been a controversial article. Four of the past editors are now blocked. Also, I'm concerned that you may be the same person as this one, who received complaints for their use of a rotating IP. Since anyone can create an account, it is hard to see how the encyclopedia benefits from you having an unstable identity. You can appeal at WP:RFUP if you still think you have a case. Keep in mind that you can use {{Edit protect}} for any changes that have consensus. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm the same person as that "rotating IP," though I don't see how that violates policies in any way nor were there any policies that I've been found to previously violate on the article. 2601:243:2200:60E:D0C9:C5D3:6655:BA57 (talk) 16:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- I do not concede that the accusations made here are in any way accurate. I did not edit the article prior to 2018. 2601:243:2200:60E:D0C9:C5D3:6655:BA57 (talk) 17:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Due to your use of a constantly-new IP, we can't tell if you have been banned or blocked in the past. There isn't a record of your past edits that could inspire us either to trust you or be wary of you. EdJohnston (talk) 17:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Is the default presumption to be wary, then? Do you think this sentence from WP:AGF might apply here: "[w]hen dealing with potential breaches of policy, administrators should assume good faith when dealing with the parties. Editors should not be assumed to have breached policy; rather, evidence to that effect should be produced." 2601:243:2200:60E:D0C9:C5D3:6655:BA57 (talk) 17:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- I've appealed at WP:RFUP, as you suggested. Thank you. 2601:243:2200:60E:D0C9:C5D3:6655:BA57 (talk) 18:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Under the light of your comments which you have left on the Al-Ahbash talk page as well as your current edit to the Abdullah_al-Harari, it is quite obvious that you are not here to do any "constructive expansion" of the Al-Ahbash or any other Al-Ahbash related page but to push the very same agenda of sanitizing the Al-Ahbash which has been pushed for the past almost 2 decades now by hook or by crook. Thanks, but no thanks. McKhan (talk) 22:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Due to your use of a constantly-new IP, we can't tell if you have been banned or blocked in the past. There isn't a record of your past edits that could inspire us either to trust you or be wary of you. EdJohnston (talk) 17:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Breaking an agreement
Hey EdJohnston, according to the reached agreement this user should "refrain from mentioning Nagorno-Karabakh in other places" during two weeks. However, from the contribution page becomes clear that this user not only continues to edit in articles related to Nagorno-Karabakh, but also makes biased edits, regardless of the agreement reached. In particular, removing links, information, titles in this article and replacing them with other, more preferred ones. And in this article he clearly removed information from History section that does not correspond to his interests. He also does not clarify in the summary the reasons for edits. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 10:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, as I have already mentioned in the original report page, this is how the conversation between me and EdJohnston went and what I agreed to:
- EdJohnston:
You might be able to avoid a block if you will agree to stay away from this article and its talk page for a period of two weeks.
- Me:
I'll choose avoiding the article for two weeks. Thanks.
- EdJohnston:
- And I have avoided 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war article and its talk page per our agreement.
- About my edits, I have provided sources for all of my additions, if you have problem with any of them, please open a discussion in the appropriate article's talk page and raise your concerns, so we can both try to reach a WP:CONSENSUS. Because without that, what you're doing now just seems like WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT to me. And I clarify most of my edit summaries but may forget to in some cases. In that case, please reach out to my talk page and leave me a note so I don't repeat the same mistake again. Thanks. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 11:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Bashir Masri (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi EdJohnston, not completely [7]. The edit history still needs to be rev/deleted. Per my explanation at ANI, pretty much everything the blocked accounts added was a copyright violation. Thanks, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- Why not ask User:Materialscientist who did the blocks whether he thinks this is necessary. It seems unlikely we would get a complaint for leaving promotion in the history, as opposed to valuable content that somebody was hoping to get money for publishing. If RD was done it would need to remove most of the history. EdJohnston (talk) 21:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- That's the first time I've heard a pragmatic distinction made re: copyright issues. Understood, and I'll leave it be. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Parga article protection
The article Parga has seen a surge of disruption and edit-revert warring over a questionable new content that some editors are trying to ram into the article despite objections and concerns expressed about it from the other editors. The new content dispute wasn't discussed adequately and no WP:CONSENSUS has been achieved yet for its inclusion. Can you do something about the article? Edit warring leads nowhere and an article protection will be much appreciated until the content dispute is settled down. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 19:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)