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You requested closing over IRC, if you would formally withdraw here, that would be helpful. Otherwise, a snow close or something will probably happen in the near future. <span style="border:1px solid;">[[User:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;"> fetch</span>''']][[User talk:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;">comms</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:black;">☛</span>]]</span> 00:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
You requested closing over IRC, if you would formally withdraw here, that would be helpful. Otherwise, a snow close or something will probably happen in the near future. <span style="border:1px solid;">[[User:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;"> fetch</span>''']][[User talk:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;">comms</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:black;">☛</span>]]</span> 00:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC) |
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Unilateral closing of ANI discussion
I'm curious as to the authority of a non-admin to close an ANI discussion in the absence of an expressed consensus that it be closed. It strikes me that I would have just as much right to reopen it as you had to close it. I don't see where you have any right to expunge my comments, regardless of your opinion of their propriety. Perhaps you could identify a relevant policy, guideline, precedent or practice.
I'd also note that when I posted my comments, I did not receive the standard conflict notice, which I should havr received if my edit was subsequent to your closing edit (however valid that was). That suggests to that there's some sort of glitch involved, and you ought to respect in good faith my posting.
I'd also point out that my comments go well beyond the scope of the purported RFC/U, which I think has been framed as an attempt to intimidate editors with whom Ash has been in conflict. As someone who's been the target of Ash's innuendo in the recent past, I also think I should be seen as having a right to comment on discussions where Ive been involved by implication. You should restore my comments, and I also believe you should remove your unilateral closure without consensus. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- It was requested that it be closed, "Suggest that either the parties fish or cut bait, or that the thread be closed. We can't do anything with allegations like this.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC" DustiSPEAK!! 20:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- A "request" isn't consensus, and I don't believe anyone expressed support for the request. You also participated in the discussion, making your unilateral non-admin closure even more in appropriate. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- No, I did not suggest anything other than a block, and stated that I was not entirely clear on the situation. Continuing the discussion is inappropriate as it's not something that can be handled at AN/I, as numerous people have stated. DustiSPEAK!! 20:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see any consensus for that conclusion. Why do you think it is appropriate for an involved nonadmin to close a discussion thread and expunge comments from other editors. Please cite policy, guideline, practice, or precedent. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I am not involved. I cited a suggestion, but did not continue it. I cited policy in the suggestion. What I am saying now is, that you badgering me about this, reversing the closure, and allowing the discussion to continue because you wanted to cite your opinion is inappropriate, as the discussion should no longer continue on AN/I. It's not where the discussion should take place, and that has been stated within the discussion. DustiSPEAK!! 20:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- You participated in the discussion; that makes you involved. You still haven't provided a shred of justification for acting without consensus, or why your opinion as a nonadmin is privileged over mine. Your refusal to cite any relevant WP guidance on this issue is really inappropriate; if you can't find policy etc to back up your action, you just shouldn't take the action. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I am not involved. I cited a suggestion, but did not continue it. I cited policy in the suggestion. What I am saying now is, that you badgering me about this, reversing the closure, and allowing the discussion to continue because you wanted to cite your opinion is inappropriate, as the discussion should no longer continue on AN/I. It's not where the discussion should take place, and that has been stated within the discussion. DustiSPEAK!! 20:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see any consensus for that conclusion. Why do you think it is appropriate for an involved nonadmin to close a discussion thread and expunge comments from other editors. Please cite policy, guideline, practice, or precedent. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- No, I did not suggest anything other than a block, and stated that I was not entirely clear on the situation. Continuing the discussion is inappropriate as it's not something that can be handled at AN/I, as numerous people have stated. DustiSPEAK!! 20:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- A "request" isn't consensus, and I don't believe anyone expressed support for the request. You also participated in the discussion, making your unilateral non-admin closure even more in appropriate. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Dusti, I've reverted your attempted closure of the ANI thread that I started. I'm being accused -- with no evidence provided whatsoever -- of jeopardizing the physical safety of another Wikipedia editor. That is a very serious charge and is clearly a personal attack as outlined in WP:NPA ("Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence."). I'm sure you meant well, but please do not interfere with the thread again. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- You've been told to take it elsewhere, so do so! AN/I is NOT appropriate, and I would suggest taking it to Arbitration, RFC/U, or somewhere more appropriate. DustiSPEAK!! 21:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- It appears that we disagree. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dusti!
Don't I know you? VerballyInsanet|c 23:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- OMG, BRIAN!?!? DustiSPEAK!! 23:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- Haha, I saw your RfA and recognized the name (and the rainbow). VerballyInsanet|c 23:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- Omgosh I miss you! It's not looking great at the Rfa because some things haven't been clarified or looked into close enough, but hey... I'll live. :) Show your support, or... whatever lol. How's purdue? DustiSPEAK!! 23:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- Haha, no, it doesn't. Everything's fantamacularful here at Purdue. How's Muncie? Can you help me start getting involved with WP:LGBT? :D (BTW, *page watched*) VerballyInsanet|c 00:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have actually moved away... twice lol. I went to Sacramento, California for awhile, and am now in Tampa, Florida. :) I'll for sure work with LGBT, I think I have that somewhere on my userpage actually... DustiSPEAK!! 00:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Haha, no, it doesn't. Everything's fantamacularful here at Purdue. How's Muncie? Can you help me start getting involved with WP:LGBT? :D (BTW, *page watched*) VerballyInsanet|c 00:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Omgosh I miss you! It's not looking great at the Rfa because some things haven't been clarified or looked into close enough, but hey... I'll live. :) Show your support, or... whatever lol. How's purdue? DustiSPEAK!! 23:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- Haha, I saw your RfA and recognized the name (and the rainbow). VerballyInsanet|c 23:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Oops! See bolded fix above. I meant to say help me get involed with it. lol. And of course, you would go to California and Florida. VerballyInsanet|c 00:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Your RfA
You requested closing over IRC, if you would formally withdraw here, that would be helpful. Otherwise, a snow close or something will probably happen in the near future. fetchcomms☛ 00:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)