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::As for what to do with the conflict, I stated that if I was an outside uninterested observer that might be what I would recommend. I don't think I should be blocked, but I do think Isarig has committed a number of abuses that deserve at least a rebuke from an admin if not a fullscale block. But punishment isn't the issue here; what I've said before is I just want the objectionable behavior to stop. Are you unwilling to even admonish Isarig for his behavior over the past week? Perhaps remind everyone that the 3RR is not a license, that things are better settled with cool heads in talk pages, and that a 1RR might be a better approach? Again, I don't envy your job here. I took a voluntary break to cool off but I don't think Isarig will do the same. [[User:Commodore Sloat|csloat]] 19:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC) |
::As for what to do with the conflict, I stated that if I was an outside uninterested observer that might be what I would recommend. I don't think I should be blocked, but I do think Isarig has committed a number of abuses that deserve at least a rebuke from an admin if not a fullscale block. But punishment isn't the issue here; what I've said before is I just want the objectionable behavior to stop. Are you unwilling to even admonish Isarig for his behavior over the past week? Perhaps remind everyone that the 3RR is not a license, that things are better settled with cool heads in talk pages, and that a 1RR might be a better approach? Again, I don't envy your job here. I took a voluntary break to cool off but I don't think Isarig will do the same. [[User:Commodore Sloat|csloat]] 19:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Fair enough: your explanation holds water and you have a good point. I'll post a few words for Isarig. From your posts it seems as if this conflict is primarily between the two of you? Please clarify if I'm mistaken because it's also looked as if several other people had become involved. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]<sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge]]''</sup></font> 23:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Piotrus & Ghirla == |
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Please check the new message on my userpage :) Lethaniol 23:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Quick Question
Hi Durova, I have been meaning to ask you. Why, considering you "like" (maybe not the right word) to deal with difficult situations/users, are you an Admin open to recall? You know that you are honest and fair, and your actions show that. Why potentially let a group of users gang up on you if they do not like your decision. There are other mechanisms to deal with rogue Admins. Lethaniol 14:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Firstly, the category implies that the users should be in good standing and respected by Durova herself. Secondly, reconfirmation of adminship is not tantamount to desysoping. Thirdly, I agree that Durova does not need to be open to recall: she is a trusted member of the community without it. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the good word, Ghirla. That's fair while my own take on this is a little different. Somebody needs to go after the hard cases, to really put on the work gloves and dig up the dirt. Part of why I do this is because I don't want other people to go through the same hard time that I had during my first months as an editor (dealing with difficult users, not being one). Some of the people who cause problems may be willing to turn around and join the spirit of the project so if I have to err I prefer to err toward WP:AGF. That doesn't stop me from blocking or banning when it's needed. I hope the people I block and ban can see that it's done appropriately. Some of them can't or won't see that so I do my best to make sure everybody else understands. When a blocked editor hasn't gotten an unblock review and claims I can't see logic or insists I'm the one who should be blocked I'll go ahead and relay their request at WP:AN. I've got nothing to hide. Yes, sooner or later a group of problem editors will probably band together and attempt a malfeasance case against me. It happened to MONGO. I think my best defense is to earn the reputation Durova is as fair as they come. Wikipedia is on a worthwhile mission to give everybody a free encyclopedia, yet as I state at User:Durova/Recusal the stakes in edit disputes are pretty small. DurovaCharge! 16:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Back again
Here, I am not sure what to do. –– Lid(Talk) 15:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'll just note that he's claiming this is four years of work (what?) even though some of the things he is claiming ownership of don't even match the stuff in the article - See The SAT and Mike Bucci in which he's tried to claim himself as a source in both and both don't even remotely match the OWW page. –– Lid(Talk) 15:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- This is not good - seems JB is going to go to some length to self-publish. Whatever suggestion you have for dealing with the situation is good with me - including contacting IP provider. thanks for bringing it up Lid Lethaniol 15:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really see the point in what he is adding his name to. I never see an author cited to list a skateboarder/snowborders favorite tricks. Are authors cited for a filmography? Isn't it always not cited or a source just listed as imdb? Same with musicians... people's names aren't cited for the source of their discography or tracklistings. I see nothing wrong with how he added his interview to an article, but this doesn't seem worth it. 49erInOregon 15:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- There is no point, it's vanity - I have written a lot of wrestler movelists on this website such as CM Punk (which I need to clean up) but could I cite myself as the source? Of course not. If the source is another website then the other website is the source unless the author is listed which it is not. Did he write it? Possibly. Does it matter? No, because quite simply the site only lists names and never expands on them - the names come from the wrestlers themselves and not the website, which also lacks descriptions of the moves it names. –– Lid(Talk) 15:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a banned editor now so there's no need to attempt discussion of these edits on their own merits. Per WP:DENY the best thing to do is just report and revert. He's probably reading our talk pages. Go ahead and report to his ISP's abuse department. Cite me as an administrator if necessary. DurovaCharge! 16:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Durova, I may be extraordinarily paranoid, but could you arrange a checkuser on User:Starcraft0wns? Check here. I hope I'm wrong but this looks a lot like JB rhetoric (ie when he queried me over letting a user know about another AfD). CURSE OF FENRIC home talk usage 05:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- Not paranoid at all; based on the account's first edit and the deleted article history it's an obvious sockpuppet of JB916 and I've banned it as such. Would you finish up the job by placing the usual template on the account's talk page and adding it to JB's sockpuppet category? My time is spread a bit thin on other matters, but you're more than welcome to post here with any other investigation requests for possible sockpuppets. I've learned a bit more on the technical side of this editor's ISP and it appears their customers have the power to reset their IP addresses, in which case a formal complaint to the provider's abuse department may be the way to go. You can mention me to them as the investigating administrator. Best wishes, DurovaCharge! 18:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Coffee
[1] Here's your coffee. (: ~crazytales·t·c 15:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- ROFL I'm on California time and the sun was just rising when I did that. Thanks for the delicious java. DurovaCharge! 16:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Re:Your comment at ANI
By all means, you are more than welcome to join the PAIN and/or my RfC discussions; I am certain you are a neutral party who can help us clean up the mess. Thanks! -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Looking over the PAIN thread, I see this has escalated to a proposed arbitration case. Would you and Ghirla be willing to have a shot at mediating with me in the middle instead? If you can iron things out informally it would be a lot less painful. DurovaCharge! 23:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have already proposed a mediation to Ghirlandajo, he has refused. He has also withdrawn from the RfC he started himself. The RfC is still going on, and has already turned into quasi-mediation, as several neutral users have proposed solutions, however with Ghirla's withdrawal the mediation there has become rather problematic as well. I am afraid I have to agree with JzG that only an ArbCom enforced ruling, preferably a civility parole, will solve the issue - but if you have any other suggestions, I'd most certainly appreciate them.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 00:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the diffs. Maybe he'll respond differently to an invitation from me (we've always been cordial) when the alternative is an arbitration case. There's nothing to lose from giving this a try. Regards, DurovaCharge! 00:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have updated the Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Piotrus_and_Ghirlandajo page with past attempts at DR to give you (and others) full history of attempted (and failed) DR proceedings, that includes to addition mediations (refused by mediators) and an ArbCom related warning to Ghirla. I am very sceptical if a mediation would work given the past experience, but we can of course try it once more. Please note, however, that I will not agree to step down as an administrator voluntarily (and as far as I know, this was his main demand regarding myself - although please note I am open to recall); he on the other hand has never admited that he was uncivil and never agreed to promise to improve his behaviour. How can you convince either of us to change their views - I am not sure, and this is why I, as well as increasing number of people, think ArbCom enforced ruling may be the only solution that will work in the end.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 13:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Then would you accept this as a middle gound? If you agree to trust me, then at the close of mediation I could make a call of whether to initiate a reconfirmation vote for your adminship. I'd decide about opening a reconfirmation based on whether I think there's a reasonable basis to put to the community. At the outset I'd present my own vote (support, oppose, or neutral) with a summary of my reasoning and the mediation. This proposal would be a bit different from the regular open to recall standards - I'm open to recall too so I know how that works. The advantage of this proposal is that it could be faster and less painful than an ArbCom slugfest; its disadvantage is that more than the usual amount of discretion would depend on one person. I'd be willing to mediate whether or not possible reconfirmation weighs in the balance, but perhaps this would bring Ghirla to the table. DurovaCharge! 14:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Technical note first: please drop me a short msg on my talk that you responded elsewhere if you want me to respond quickly :) Now, as I said before, I am open to recall per procedures I listed on my page; I'd certainly see you as 'an editor in good standing', so if there are five other neutral parties who think a recall should be initatiated, then a recall (reconfirmation would mean the same, I'd think, let's not mince words) can be initiated even without a mediation carrot - this is my pledge to the community, not a special concession for Ghirla alone. On the other hand, please note that I stand by everything I wrote on the ArbCom case, and I currently believe that placing him on the civility parole is the only thing that can solve this conflict (from my perspective; please also note I would not oppose if a civility parole would be placed on me, too). PS. Please note that a mediation case plus most of the editors involved in the RfC found no basis to support the claim that I have ever abused my admin powers.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 14:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- So if I understand that correctly, you prefer to stand by the standard terms of Category:Administrators open to recall? If you can construct a version of civility parole that could work via mediation then let me know. DurovaCharge! 14:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- By the slightly modified terms as seen on my page, although I am open to discussing them, of course. As for a civility parole, this version was recommended to me. The problem with it, as we have discussed on RfC talk page, is that such a parole needs to be enforced - and only ArbCom can do it, especially as on the talk RfC Ghirla has specifically rejected the idea that he should be subjected to any kind of penalties for his behaviour (again, please note that as a sign of good will and compromise I have volunteered to be subjected to the same restrictions, even if little evidence of my incivility has been presented).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- So if I understand that correctly, you prefer to stand by the standard terms of Category:Administrators open to recall? If you can construct a version of civility parole that could work via mediation then let me know. DurovaCharge! 14:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Technical note first: please drop me a short msg on my talk that you responded elsewhere if you want me to respond quickly :) Now, as I said before, I am open to recall per procedures I listed on my page; I'd certainly see you as 'an editor in good standing', so if there are five other neutral parties who think a recall should be initatiated, then a recall (reconfirmation would mean the same, I'd think, let's not mince words) can be initiated even without a mediation carrot - this is my pledge to the community, not a special concession for Ghirla alone. On the other hand, please note that I stand by everything I wrote on the ArbCom case, and I currently believe that placing him on the civility parole is the only thing that can solve this conflict (from my perspective; please also note I would not oppose if a civility parole would be placed on me, too). PS. Please note that a mediation case plus most of the editors involved in the RfC found no basis to support the claim that I have ever abused my admin powers.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 14:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Then would you accept this as a middle gound? If you agree to trust me, then at the close of mediation I could make a call of whether to initiate a reconfirmation vote for your adminship. I'd decide about opening a reconfirmation based on whether I think there's a reasonable basis to put to the community. At the outset I'd present my own vote (support, oppose, or neutral) with a summary of my reasoning and the mediation. This proposal would be a bit different from the regular open to recall standards - I'm open to recall too so I know how that works. The advantage of this proposal is that it could be faster and less painful than an ArbCom slugfest; its disadvantage is that more than the usual amount of discretion would depend on one person. I'd be willing to mediate whether or not possible reconfirmation weighs in the balance, but perhaps this would bring Ghirla to the table. DurovaCharge! 14:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have updated the Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Piotrus_and_Ghirlandajo page with past attempts at DR to give you (and others) full history of attempted (and failed) DR proceedings, that includes to addition mediations (refused by mediators) and an ArbCom related warning to Ghirla. I am very sceptical if a mediation would work given the past experience, but we can of course try it once more. Please note, however, that I will not agree to step down as an administrator voluntarily (and as far as I know, this was his main demand regarding myself - although please note I am open to recall); he on the other hand has never admited that he was uncivil and never agreed to promise to improve his behaviour. How can you convince either of us to change their views - I am not sure, and this is why I, as well as increasing number of people, think ArbCom enforced ruling may be the only solution that will work in the end.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 13:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the diffs. Maybe he'll respond differently to an invitation from me (we've always been cordial) when the alternative is an arbitration case. There's nothing to lose from giving this a try. Regards, DurovaCharge! 00:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have already proposed a mediation to Ghirlandajo, he has refused. He has also withdrawn from the RfC he started himself. The RfC is still going on, and has already turned into quasi-mediation, as several neutral users have proposed solutions, however with Ghirla's withdrawal the mediation there has become rather problematic as well. I am afraid I have to agree with JzG that only an ArbCom enforced ruling, preferably a civility parole, will solve the issue - but if you have any other suggestions, I'd most certainly appreciate them.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 00:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Good news: Ghirla accepts my mentorship proposal. He did so before I made the above offer (which I probably should have checked before posting - my excuse is that it's early dawn in California and I'm in my pre-coffee stupor). I'll leave the proposal stand and see what you both think of it. This mediation will start slowly: Ghirla's on holiday break. Merry Christmas (if that's what you both celebrate). DurovaCharge! 14:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
In order to keep the discussion central I've started User talk:Durova/Mediation. DurovaCharge! 14:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Merry Christmas
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Happy Christmas-Happy hollydays to you
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How sweet! Thank you. :) DurovaCharge! 14:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Merry Winterval(s)!!!! (12-22-06)
- God (or your deity/deities) bless you and your family! —¡Randfan!Sign here? 02:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
-I was planning to hand these out on the 22nd of Dec. but things got in the way.... Happy holidays! —¡Randfan!Sign here? 20:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Mediation
Thanks for your proposal. However, judging from my past experience with you as an admin, I have a reason to believe you might not be impartial if I joined the mediation in whatever role. Because of that I think it might be better for all people involved if I stayed out. But thanks for asking - and Merry Christmas. //Halibutt 23:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Your comments and diffs are still welcome if you change your mind. I don't hold a grudge. DurovaCharge! 23:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Questions about ArbCom
Hi Durova,
I have just answered some questions of Pete/Diana hereUser talk:Lethaniol/Pete K about the ArbCom case. As you much more familiarity with the process than, can you double check my answers to make sure they are not widely off the mark?
Leave an answer on my talk page or yours.
Cheers Lethaniol 17:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hi there Durova, I made some further statements on my talk page about the meaning of the ArbCom ruling - again if you could check I am not widely off the mark that would be great. I am pretty sure I am not, and I know this would not be an official ruling as you are not part of ArbCom. Oh and I promise not to edit your American spelling :):) Lethaniol 13:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Love (as they say in Devon where I grew up). P.S. I really think you should become an Adopter - put your skills to use to people that won't bite your head off, if you want I mean. You would be great, and it would be satisfying, and relatively simple compared to your current activities. Cheers Lethaniol 17:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the compliment. My own energies are spread too thinly right now. Since the Waldorf arbitration opened I've hardly participated at WP:PAIN and cut back a lot at WP:RFI, which means some worthwhile investigations aren't getting the attention they deserve. I spend a good deal of my time rooting out the rare individuals such as JB196 before they exploit too much good faith and sour other people on the project. It's tough work that needs doing and there's a shortage of admins to do it. Believe it or not, four of the dilemmas I've handled have turned into current arbitration cases. If you'd ever like to get sysopped and help out, let me know and I'll nominate you. DurovaCharge! 17:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well thanks for the compliment in return - I think I would like to help, and once I am happy with my developmental work at WP:ADOPT think I might get involved in some more requests for comment - then when I have enough edits (only got 2000 at mo :( ) and experience (definitely need more), I might take you up on your RfA nomination offer. Be good, cheers Lethaniol 18:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the compliment. My own energies are spread too thinly right now. Since the Waldorf arbitration opened I've hardly participated at WP:PAIN and cut back a lot at WP:RFI, which means some worthwhile investigations aren't getting the attention they deserve. I spend a good deal of my time rooting out the rare individuals such as JB196 before they exploit too much good faith and sour other people on the project. It's tough work that needs doing and there's a shortage of admins to do it. Believe it or not, four of the dilemmas I've handled have turned into current arbitration cases. If you'd ever like to get sysopped and help out, let me know and I'll nominate you. DurovaCharge! 17:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Love (as they say in Devon where I grew up). P.S. I really think you should become an Adopter - put your skills to use to people that won't bite your head off, if you want I mean. You would be great, and it would be satisfying, and relatively simple compared to your current activities. Cheers Lethaniol 17:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Merry Christmas
I wish you a Merry Christmas, Durova :) Dionyseus 06:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello again,
You were of great help on the Creepy Crawler incident (archive 11, your talk page) but I amcoming to you now for advice on a separate issue on the same page. For brevity, [2], there's the link. If you can help, great, if not, please recommend a place to take this situation. Either way, help is appreciated.ThuranX 06:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- I've semi-protected both the article and the talk page, plus left a final warning for Boggydark. Please move your request from the watchlist section down to regular investigations at WP:RFI. These all act like sockpuppets in my opinion, possibly of the same person. I hope this solves the problem, but in case it doesn't the usual way these things play out is that an account or an IP gets blocked, then the editor violates WP:SOCK by evading the block, then a checkuser reveals the sockpuppets and the block gets extended all around. That can become a siteban if the problem editor still fails to get the point. Follow up as needed. DurovaCharge! 19:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I checked a bit on the IPs, and all the IP user IPs are from New Zealand, so that's all one user, and he DID say he was on vacation. BoggyDark's a different person. If I thought it was actually a sock issue, I'd definitely would've taken it there. The IP user does seem to have registered, as seen on my talk page, where he's again a hostile little editor. That said, I think he'll be unable to edit for a while due to the Semi-Pro... Thank you for your intervention. I'll attend to that move. ThuranX 05:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to return again, however, BoggyDark, one of the two problem editors discussed, has now moved the talk Spider-man 3 page to "Tlak:Spider-Man 3 page". ANother user reverted the move, but if you look at the recent discussions, [3], you can see he's become fully hostile to all other editors on the page. He takes all criticism as personal threats and then cites 'the rules' and threatens bans on those editors. It's rapidly becoming a very TROLLISH situation. Please ttake another look? thank you so kindly. ThuranX 15:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Tyne and Wear Fire and Rescue Service
Hi there, thanks for semi-protecting the article but I believe that the IP address who vandalised the article may also have a user account called ' Wateva100 ', so if it is the same person they would still be able to edit the page because they have been at Wikipedia for a few weeks, so my worry is: will this stop the Vandalism; If you have any other suggestions or would like to say anything you can put it on my Talk Page. Cheers and I hope you had a Merry Christmas!
Respectfully......TellyaddictTalk 13:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Just go ahead and follow up with warning templates as appropriate. If the templates escalate to level 3 (block warning) and the problem continues then follow up at WP:RFI. Thanks for your patience, DurovaCharge! 19:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
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Bombing of Guernica/Gernika
Hello!
I noticed that you protected the article Bombing of Guernica (diff). I'm afraid that it might not have worked (subsequent edit). Also, the template {{protect}} was not added.
Regarding the name of the article, I believe it would be preferable if consensus was reached. The present situation is that User:Sugaar and User:Grant65 have been moving the article back and forth (log 1 log 2), so protection until consensus has been reached might be useful.
Sincerely, Oden 08:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Found this accidentally fixing links. The case is that there was a clear consensus in the article's talk page to move it to Bombing of Gernika and, consequently I also moved "Guernica (city)" to Gernika-Lumo to be consistent and fixed all or most links.
- Suddenly Grant came out from nowhere and moved Gernika-Lumo back to Guernica (city) causing a lot of confussion and subsequent discussion and recently incipient move-warrying.
- In one article there is no clear consensus and in the other there is a clear consensus for Bombing of Gernika. Grant is acting unilaterally or almost. --Sugaar 11:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Sugaar: the issue here is not the choice of name, my comment was in regard to the repeated page moving which is disruptive both for readers and other editors.
- Durova: I have requested page-move protection of either version (whichever version it is does not matter, since protection is not an endorsement of any version). (diff) --Oden 12:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hi again! The reason that the Bombing of Gernika was moved after you protected it might be because it seems to be semi-protected. I tried logging out and then I could only view the source, but when I am logged in the tab says "edit this page".
- Also when you protected the page the edit summary said "[edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed]" (log). When a page is fully protected the edit summary usually says "[edit=sysop:move=sysop]" (the article on Michael Richards was first protected and then semiprotected, so I compared the log here). This is my guess, since I am no sysop.
Hi, I was about to move this back to Bombing of Guernica (per Wikipedia:Use common names), but noticed you'd protected the page. Before I move it, I wanted to check with you and see if you have any objection. I'm not a participant in this debate, but the guideline seems pretty clear, and it does appear to me that the move to Bombing of Gernika was inappropriate. I'll abide by whatever you decide on this one, though. | Mr. Darcy talk 03:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose: the only consensus in that article's talk page (achieved some one or two months ago) is the current name. --Sugaar 05:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Adminitis
Hi Durova!
After reading User talk:Durova/Admin I have become concerned that you have started developing a case of adminitis (no offense). Might I suggest a short Wikibreak? Another idea is to temporarily relinquish your mop and bucket by placing {{adminitis}} on your userpage and get back to writing articles again. Or perhaps even to collaborate! If there's anything I can help you with just let me know.
Sincerely, Oden 18:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Since a primary sign of adminitis is denial there' no way for me to say no - is there? For now I'll keep doing what I'm doing. Please monitor my case and alert me if symptoms worsen. Cheers, DurovaCharge! 19:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that you are doing a bad job, by all accounts your contribution is stellar and much appreciated. What I'm worried about is that you might have forgotten the joy of editing. In the words of Mike Myers: "Silly is you in a natural state, and serious is something you have to do until you can get silly again". --Oden 19:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. My admin page is somewhat tongue-in-cheek. If it weren't for WP:DENY I'd start a humor page to document some of the most laughable self-defeating behavior that problem editors exhibit. I'll dance around with my mop as long as it feels fun. When it stops being fun I'll switch gears. Regards, DurovaCharge! 19:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that you are doing a bad job, by all accounts your contribution is stellar and much appreciated. What I'm worried about is that you might have forgotten the joy of editing. In the words of Mike Myers: "Silly is you in a natural state, and serious is something you have to do until you can get silly again". --Oden 19:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Medical lists
You may be interested in this discussion on medical lists. Colin°Talk 21:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Colin. I set out to add my two cents and wrote ten dollars' worth. Until I read that thread I hadn't realized I created a precedent for a manual of style. Cheers, DurovaCharge! 16:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hiya! Since you seem to be the one most familiar with this case, you might want to propose some remedies. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 20:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you; the invitation is an honor. Article probation would seem like a good idea. At the moment I'm looking into some sockpuppet allegations to see whether I can strengthen the case either for or against the existing claims. DurovaCharge! 20:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
No need for Semi-Protection any more
Hi there, I don't think their is any more need for Semi Protection on Tyne and Wear Fire and Rescue Service except the only thing is that this vandal seems to take breaks from vandalising for about a month at each time, so this may make it difficult to semi protect pages as you can't really keep the semi-protected for ever, but if there is any other Vandalism I'll contact you or another Admin, thanks
Respectfully.... TellyaddictTalk 00:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- All right, it's unprotected. At this point the pattern is clear enough that I consider it appropriate to block on sight for future violations even if the IP changes. Thank you for your patience. DurovaCharge! 00:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
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I was hoping you could take a look at List of notable organ transplant donors and recipients and let me know if there is anything else you think needs to be done. Remember 17:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello Durova.
Please do not block my account, I will never type libelous articles again, forgive me, thank you very much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.232.252 (talk) 05:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC).
- Okay, I'll overlook WP:SOCK so you can answer one question: what is your registered username? DurovaCharge! 06:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello!
Thanks for the WikiAdoption notification. I appreciate you acknowledging my editorial "potential" for WikiPedia... as well as looking out for my best interest. I do have a passion for writing and wish I had more time to do so.
I am still under the weather right now, so I will have to make this short. In the meantime, I look forward to you being my mentor. Take care ~--Webmistress Diva 05:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the friendly reply. I should clarify something though: I'm not actually a participant in that program. Over at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user they've set up a simple way to join: just copy a template onto your user page and one of their volunteers will come over to help you out. You're welcome to post here occasionally too. I just can't guarantee you'd get the same quality of attention: this project has about 1 administrator for every 3000 registered accounts so the sysops' time gets spread pretty thin. Get well soon, DurovaCharge! 06:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Bombing of Guernica
please unprotect. Haber 06:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- thanks. Haber 13:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Quick! He's back again!
Durova, check out the contributions for User:CDlatch245. I think JB196 is at it again. These AfD's must be removed quickly. He also reverted my edit on the Professional wrestling in Australia page which I put back again. I think it's about time he was sent a severe message to get off Wikipedia. Meanwhile the AfD's he started need to be removed PDQ. CURSE OF FENRIC home talk usage 08:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- StickupElephant is probably another of his socks. One Night In Hackney 10:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Banned both accounts. Suggest citing WP:DENY at the deletion threads he started. Please do the usual maintenance on his sockpuppet userpages. Regards, DurovaCharge 14:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, Durova, but it looks like the damage has been done. I've been told WP:DENY is a proposal and therefore not applicable. JB has done his damage and it seems no one cares (apart from you of course). So I'm leaving WP - for good. Thanks for your hard work in trying to control this idiot. I'm just going to add an AfD myself before I delete my user page and replace it, and delete my talk pages. CURSE OF FENRIC home talk usage 21:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- I need one more favour. Could you delete the following pages for me? I can only blank them (which is what I've done);
- User_talk:Curse_of_Fenric/capsule01
- User_talk:Curse_of_Fenric/capsule02
- User:Curse_of_Fenric/AZW
- User:Curse_of_Fenric/Chuck_E._Chaos
- User:Curse_of_Fenric/preparation
Curse of Fenric 21:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Your comments about me in WP/ANI
I'm taking a break from all of this stuff but I couldn't help but read it. I'm going to continue to stay out of the discussion for a while but I wanted to say something to you here. I read your latest comment and all I can assume is that you missed reading my response to you. I was not "forum shopping" and I was not being deceptive. You have my actions wrong and I hope you can reevaluate them in good faith. I agree that I have let this stuff frustrate me too much and done things I should not have -- edit warring, and having a short temper with the likes of Isarig. The temper thing has always been in response to his relentless attacks - as CSTAR noted some time ago, he knows how to manipulate me well. But my complaint here was not about his behavior six weeks ago - it was about the last couple days, and the links I added from weeks ago were only there to put one of his attacks on me in historical context. It has been blown out of proportion -- the reality is I could not care less what Isarig thinks of my teaching since he has never set foot in my classroom and he never will. I understand your comment that my behavior here has not always been consistent with someone in my position; frankly, it is enough to simply state that there are problems with someone's behavior without making reference to their job, especially when you know nothing about it. (I'm not talking about your familiarity with libel law; I'm talking about your familiarity with my specific actions in my place of employment). Isarig told me I didn't know a particular thing about libel and that therefore I was a lousy teacher; I told him he would probably fail my exam since his understanding of that particular thing was totally wrong. Perhaps I should have just told him he would get that particular question wrong on an exam rather than telling him he would fail - in truth I know as much about his ability to pass one of my classes as he knows about that actual class. But it doesn't matter - the heart of the problem with Isarig has little to do with those particular comments, as offensive as they may have been at the time; it has to do with his more general relentless edit warring and aggressive behavior towards me. I don't know what to do about it and I don't envy your position. Were I an outside observer my advice would probably be to block both of us for a cooling off period and/or encourage a 1RR for everyone involved for a while. The truth is, however, that I haven't done anything that would justify being blocked, whereas I believe Isarig has (I also think most of the people who have had interactions with both of us agree). But if you think both of us are misbehaving to the same degree, then perhaps that is worth considering, not so much as a disciplinary mechanism but as a way to encourage cooling down the discussion completely. I frankly can't invest the emotional energy in continuing my interactions with him the way they have been going under any circumstances. csloat 08:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- As I read things, your occupation became a point of dispute because you made it an issue during a talk page thread. That, along with your links to the thread at two forums, are why I responded on the topic. In the spirit of Wikipedia's policy assume good faith I trust that you probably are a good instructor and what's happened here is a function of Internet dynamics: remove intonation and facial expression from a conversation, add instantaneous delivery and anonymity, and the results sometimes get messy. What troubles me about this particular situation is that it's lasted so long and affected a variety of articles.
- Cooling off is definitely a good idea. When I read the Quran controvery thread I frankly agreed with you regarding the link, but if I'd been active at the page and things started to degenerate that way I'd have dropped the issue: it's only one link. Perhaps in a month or two I would have returned, posted to the talk page to see whether it still raised any hackles, and deleted it then (if someone else hadn't done so already). Have a look at User:Durova/Recusal to see my general perspective.
- I have doubts about using the sysop tools to block both you and Isarig. WP:POINT might cover this, but if you're actually willing to undergo this voluntarily then contact Isarig with the idea. If that editor comes to me and volunteers too I'll do it. A week seems about right and it would certainly be less stressful than arbitration. Regards, DurovaCharge 14:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- This is from memory because I don't feel like going back over it line by line -- the thing about my occupation came up in a conversation with another user. Isarig then pounced on it in order to ridicule my understanding of a couple of freedom of speech issues. I pointed out that he was wrong and suggested, tongue in cheek, that he take the class. He responded that he wasn't likely to want to take a class from someone who didn't understand these issues; I pointed out that it was he who did not understand the issues, and he ridiculed my teaching again; it was at that point that I told him he would probably fail the class. That was part of a longer post in which I specifically explained why he was wrong; instead of backing off at that point, he googled for a link to a court case he had never heard of before and used that link to make an argument that was absurd; then he stated that I was a disgrace to my profession and embarrassing my students. I pointed out his error, quoted experts on the libel v. slander distinction, and told him to back off of my profession since he had never set foot in my classroom. I agree my one comment was uncivil, but on the whole it was clearly isarig and not me who was aggressively provoking a fight. You have now publicly chastised me three times for this comment, sided with Isarig about my profession, and you haven't said a word about the abusive comments made by Isarig. I find that appalling. I also find it irrelevant to bring up six weeks after the incident, since, as I said a couple of times now, I was only providing those links for historical context -- not to "forum shop" or make "deceptive complaints" or to try to get Isarig disciplined for something he was reported for already. If you're willing to AGF that I am a good professor, perhaps you can AGF about my actions on Wikipedia as well.
- As for what to do with the conflict, I stated that if I was an outside uninterested observer that might be what I would recommend. I don't think I should be blocked, but I do think Isarig has committed a number of abuses that deserve at least a rebuke from an admin if not a fullscale block. But punishment isn't the issue here; what I've said before is I just want the objectionable behavior to stop. Are you unwilling to even admonish Isarig for his behavior over the past week? Perhaps remind everyone that the 3RR is not a license, that things are better settled with cool heads in talk pages, and that a 1RR might be a better approach? Again, I don't envy your job here. I took a voluntary break to cool off but I don't think Isarig will do the same. csloat 19:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough: your explanation holds water and you have a good point. I'll post a few words for Isarig. From your posts it seems as if this conflict is primarily between the two of you? Please clarify if I'm mistaken because it's also looked as if several other people had become involved. DurovaCharge 23:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- As for what to do with the conflict, I stated that if I was an outside uninterested observer that might be what I would recommend. I don't think I should be blocked, but I do think Isarig has committed a number of abuses that deserve at least a rebuke from an admin if not a fullscale block. But punishment isn't the issue here; what I've said before is I just want the objectionable behavior to stop. Are you unwilling to even admonish Isarig for his behavior over the past week? Perhaps remind everyone that the 3RR is not a license, that things are better settled with cool heads in talk pages, and that a 1RR might be a better approach? Again, I don't envy your job here. I took a voluntary break to cool off but I don't think Isarig will do the same. csloat 19:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Piotrus & Ghirla
How's it going? Has peace broken out over the festive season? Guy (Help!) 14:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- So far so good, mostly. Ghirla told me when the request opened that it couldn't have come at a worse time for him. He was headed out on vacation and actually went a good distance out of his way to reach a computer. So it's been quiet for about a week and I hope he's getting a good Wikibreak. One thing has me a little worried: just about the time that mediation opened he blanked out his user page with an edit note that hints he was rethinking his commitment to the site. Several people had commented against him in the request and the committee hadn't moved to defer yet. I hope he's had the chance to view the site since then. Thanks for dropping by. DurovaCharge 23:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)