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This comment is in response to the statement that Chris made on his talk page, where he said "I know he really didn't want to talk to me" when he was explaining why he made the original comment to Jmfangio. '''[[User:Ksy92003|Ksy92003]]'''<small>[[User talk:Ksy92003|<font color="black">(talk)</font>]]</small> 02:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC) |
This comment is in response to the statement that Chris made on his talk page, where he said "I know he really didn't want to talk to me" when he was explaining why he made the original comment to Jmfangio. '''[[User:Ksy92003|Ksy92003]]'''<small>[[User talk:Ksy92003|<font color="black">(talk)</font>]]</small> 02:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC) |
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I'm really sorry to disturb you, but I do not feel not really good in bureaucracy here at WP, maybe you could point me out what should do further. I know, that you're not eager to get into Eastern Europe topics, but insults have to stop. Recent evaluations seems to exagerate further, and I've gotten an answer [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&curid=12936136&diff=156053793&oldid=156053448 on my request], and do not know what to do next. This wave of insult on the nationality basis has to be stopped. Thank you in adwance.--[[User:Lokyz|Lokyz]] 19:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Archived Triple Crown request
Hope you don't mind me nudging you, but can I draw your kind attention to this, a request which has been archived without reply? No problem, but I would like the fancy head-gear... Regards, BencherliteTalk 19:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- You're on the winner's circle page. I just haven't sent out all the notices yet. Thanks for all your work. DurovaCharge! 20:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- My apologies for unnecessarily chivvying you. BencherliteTalk 20:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you!
Good to be in your court, Queen Durova.--Legionarius 20:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Me too. One Night In Hackney303 04:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- And from me. BencherliteTalk 08:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
You're all very welcome, and thank you. DurovaCharge! 13:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Reply and comment
- In response to your question about this being my first account - the answer is no.
- I am contemplating just how much time I care to be here. I have lost a great deal of respect for every aspect of wiki policying. Admins have failed, arbcom has failed, and dispute resolution has failed (it's a big reason why I had to start fresh). I have spent a disproportionate amount of time having to address this users behavior; having to run from articles as soon as he shows up, and having to watch him belittle people who do not have the capability to stand up to a bully.
- I have neither the time nor patience to deal with a person who makes religiously intolerant comments - nobody else here wants to do anything about it - and i am essentially powerless. I'm just not sure what my motivation is to continue. People can cite as many examples as they want and say "it takes two to tango" or "Jmfangio has refused to cooperate"; but the reality is that has all been done to keep this user in check when all else has failed.
- Chrisjnelson has been one of the most disruptive editors i have ever come into contact with. Anyone who makes an off the cuff comment regarding the nazi party (no matter how unintentional) needs to be shown the door permanently. He has bullied many people around here - the reason I have been stood my ground is that i don't roll over as easy. This is a failure of the system and a major one at that. I don't know that I have any desire to put forth any more effort at the arbcom; especially when my behavior is being called into question the way it is. I have not spent much time reading up on the new posts to the ArbCom pages, and i'm not sure i will. If you have any questions, post them here and i will respond if i decide to stick around. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 00:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
For a glimpse at how many miles I've walked in those moccasins, have a look at User:Durova/Complex vandalism at Joan of Arc. That vandal had been disrupting the project and degrading articles for a year before I became a Wikipedian. When I opened dispute resolution he simply ignored it and when I tried to contact sysops about his abuse they reacted as if I had a few screws loose. It took over a year of editing, building featured pages, and becoming a sysop before I earned enough reputation to get a real hearing. Eventually he got banned outright and I got known as someone who does complex investigations and takes on the hard cases.
I cowrote the Wikipedia:Disruptive editing guideline because I didn't want anyone else to go through that kind of experience and I've put a focus into admin coaching this year because we need more good people to do this. That doesn't solve everything instantly - it's a volunteer project - so one other thing I do is offer two special user awards to editors who slip through the cracks, make some mistakes, and want to demonstrate their worth as editors.
- The Resilient Barnstar to any post-arbitration or formerly banned editor who starts a new article that gets highlighted at Template:Did you know.
- The Valiant Return Triple Crown to any post-arbitration or formerly banned editor who contributes to Template:Did you know, a good article, and featured content after receiving a sanction.
It's up to you where to go from here. I've given away two of those resilient barnstars to other editors. Today I caught up to date on triple crowns and gave away a lot of awards, but I'm still waiting for a chance to hand out the first Valiant Return Triple Crown. DurovaCharge! 00:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- That is some very interesting information. If I do stick around, I really do think that there is a lot to be learned from this. I'm just very displeased with these suggestions that I not be able to edit x y or z for a year or that I'm being disruptive by going to the notice boards when DR has been ignored. I have not read the articles you linked me to, but i will now. I would be happy to disclose some information about my past accounts and what led me to this one, but i'm not willing to share my email and i don't know that there is a way to "privately" discuss matters here - so we'll just see what happens. In any event, I'll read up and get back to you.Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 01:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Editors who make a strong comeback can appeal an arbitration decision. Also, bear in mind that there are some things you can do now while the case is open. If you'd like to talk offsite without disclosing private information I suggest creating a gmail account. Send me a message through my userpage and we can chat there. DurovaCharge! 01:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- All possibilities and I'll let you know if i decide to communicate. The arbcom fails to recognize that any "disruption" people see from me did not take place until extensive reporting had taken place and the other party violated many policies. Had the system not failed, and had I not been stalked from article to article - this would have never happened. People seem to forget a very important thing - the crux of the debate broke out over an infobox with high usability. Making changes to it is in essence like changing all the articles it does touch or could touch. I was actually duped into creating it by Chrisjnelson - but because the edit history for the arcive on Template talk:Infobox NFLactive is lost, I cannot report any of that. He had problems on Talk:Infobox NFL player. There is an RFC on Chrisjnelson as well (which i started), but nobody seems to care. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 01:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- One of the things I searched for was a track record for your editing, since a clean block history of several months and perhaps a couple of user awards would weigh in your favor: that would have allowed me to demonstrate that you generally get along well with other editors. Then, weighed against Chrisjnelson's prior block history, it would be arguable that he was the primary aggressor and that milder sanctions could be sufficient to prevent future problems from your account. If you wish to keep that confidential you could e-mail material to that effect directly to the case clerk. DurovaCharge! 01:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- These are all possible options; but I'm not sure what to do at this point. I have and will always be a bold editor. Many people on here I think mistake what that means, but my general editing style is "fix problems" in the spirit of the WP:PG (which i call wiki documentation and with the hopes of bettering the content. If someone has a problem, you talk about it. This was exactly what happened at WT:CFB. I can't find the discussion this second - but the gist was - I have a real problem with the naming used for articles like Miami Hurricanes football. I believe that without some qualification of "university" or American football; the pages are poorly named. I changed a few articles, and some people had a problem with it and we discussed. Others made some hostile and personally "antagonizing" comments toward one and other - but at the end - I helped (or at least offered) to help those who wanted to revert my moves and left things as they were. I am not sure what to suggest to the arbcom at this point because enough evidence is in front of them. I volunteered for a temporary topic ban - that say something - but if they want to ignore that - nothing more can be done. I'm gonna do some more editing and then read up on the stuff you pointed me to. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 01:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Then try User:Durova/Durova's_arbitration_tips. DurovaCharge! 02:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sure those are useful and i will peruse them when i have a moment. The violations that i am most "guilty" of are edit warring and a drifting toward being uncivil. These took place due to the fact that the situation was not dealt with by those with the power to solve the problem (that is to stop the bs and get others to politely discuss the issues). Do i wish I had not been forced to do it - ABSOLUTELY! Ideally, I wish that they would never have had the opportunity to happen. Another user and I fell into a pretty heated debate - I contend that it was actually instigated by the actions of another user. The other editor extended an olive branch and the situation diffused and rather quickly at that. In an august 22nd post to my talk page (now in the second archive) he said (amongst other things) "I know you've previously tried to disengage, and for some reason I wasn't allowing you to." Had I been able to disengage from the situation with CJN (short of me leaving the topic altogheter) - then this wouldn't have happened. But i wasn't and he was reprimanded for his behavior until just recently. I was stalked and harassed and berated and did i tell you how pissed i am about the nazi thing (which wasn't even directed at me).... anyway - let's not keep filling up your talk page. I don't want to waste your time. I hope it's obvious to you that I am hear, willing to chat. If anyone questions my desire to improve the content here - i point them to Joe Montana. That difference will show you the version just before i showed up and the current version. I have encouraged others to join (at WP:NFL amongst others) and because these things take time - i'm trying to have someone else come in and help out. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 02:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Then try User:Durova/Durova's_arbitration_tips. DurovaCharge! 02:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Editors who make a strong comeback can appeal an arbitration decision. Also, bear in mind that there are some things you can do now while the case is open. If you'd like to talk offsite without disclosing private information I suggest creating a gmail account. Send me a message through my userpage and we can chat there. DurovaCharge! 01:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Worn out
So I did spend some time looking through that stuff and a lot of it is great advice. I have been worn down by this process and just don't have a lot of energy to commit to it. I have given the users enough information to look at and am clearly willing to discuss this but with the continued bickering and unresponsiveness by my many of the others involved - i just don't know how to proceed. If you would like me to provide you with some clarification on something - i'm happy to. But this is similar to what happened in the past - user's popped up who were unable to do anything but argue. Even when I removed myself from the disputes - the content is being disputed months later. It's hard to say that I'm the problem when even when i'm not really involved in a conversation - one user is continuing to frustrate the process. Let me know if there is something you'd like. I can provide you with many examples of content related edits; show you the one DYK i have had in the last month; or provide you with other good points. My user page also has some stuff that might help you out. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 23:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
And he still won't leave me alone: [1] I just don't know what to do here. I was pointed to a discussion and made one post - it could not have been more clear. Yet he continues to try and engage me directly. If i don't respond he calls me rude, if i do - well you know what happens. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 00:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't call you rude, though I'd be disappointed. I was just respectfully asking you return to a discussion that is far from concluded in order prevent any incidents at player pages down the road. I think I was civil in my whole comment.►Chris Nelson 00:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- I think your comment was civil, Chris, but you should respect Jmfangio's desire to leave the discussion if he doesn't want to partake in it. If he doesn't want to remain in the discussion, he doesn't have to, and I don't think you should try to bring him back into a discussion that he doesn't want to be a part of. Ksy92003(talk) 00:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- All he has to do is decline. I asked for both our sakes in the future - settling the debate now prevents edit wars and crap later. The thing is, if he chooses to leave a debate before it is settled, he really can't revert other people's edits on the matter. I'm not making him re-enter the debate, I'm respectfully asking him to (once) and I'm allowed to do that. He can decline (or decline by doing nothing) if he chooses. But I'm allowed to ask.►Chris Nelson 00:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- That's not the point. Jmfangio posted his comment, which he didn't have a problem with doing. He didn't even join the conversation until somebody asked him, which he did. And has he reverted any of the edits? You say "if he chooses to leave a debate before it is settled, he really can't revert other people's edits on the matter," but I've yet to see him make any edits related to the categories.
- Jmfangio posted his comment, and doesn't want any more to do with it, according to his comment here. You need to respect that. You didn't need to say anything about that. You could've just ignored him and let him go on, but no, you hadd to post here. He gave his opinion and left the discussion, and you are once again trying to engage him in discussion. Haven't you realized that's why the Arbcom is currently going on? He tries to disengage, but you don't let him. That's what this whole dispute is about. Jmfangio doesn't want to talk with you, so stop trying to engage in conversation with you.
Sorry, but I don't appreciate being told I shouldn't ask someone to reconsider something. All they have to do is say no, not reply or delete my request altogether. It's really none of your business.►Chris Nelson 01:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- And it's none of your business if Jmfangio wants to have nothing to do with the conversation, is it? Ksy92003(talk) 01:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'm allowed to ask him to reconsider. My post violated NO policy, so you shouldn't have anything to say about it.►Chris Nelson 01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- This is getting ridiculous. Durova - I'm sorry if I should not have made that request of Jmfangio. I have never been told I couldn't do that so I didn't think anything of it. I was only trying to make progess in a discussion to help things down the road. Despite the strange misinterpretation of the comment on some people's eyes, I think you would clearly agree that I wasn't trying to force him to do anything, but rather just asking a question of him that he could simply decline or not acknowledge at all.►Chris Nelson 01:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
One week block on Chrisjnelson for gross and persistent violations of WP:POINT. My user talk page is not the place to come and pester someone who is trying to disengage from conflict. DurovaCharge! 02:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- I have a couple of questions on what's appropriate during said users "suspension" (i find blocking and banning such confusing terms). If you are interested in answering, should I just post here or would you like this moved to my talk page? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 03:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just to go ahead and ask: during one of my suspensions, my opinion (which was already expressed) was directly circumvented. I think that's bad form. So how do we balance the need to keep a user's opinion in consideration while they are unable to edit? Even if their opinions are eventually put to the side - I don't want to simply go back and adjust all the contentious edits - even with support - unless I know that is acceptable. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 03:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just don't take it so far it makes WP:LAME. See [object lesson]. DurovaCharge! 03:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just to go ahead and ask: during one of my suspensions, my opinion (which was already expressed) was directly circumvented. I think that's bad form. So how do we balance the need to keep a user's opinion in consideration while they are unable to edit? Even if their opinions are eventually put to the side - I don't want to simply go back and adjust all the contentious edits - even with support - unless I know that is acceptable. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 03:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Triple crown
Thank you very much. Hesperian 04:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Now that I've figured out the nature of the award, I must confess that I don't think I meet your criteria. I started The Atlas of Australian Birds, but it was Maias that improved it to GA standard, and the GA pass is a reflection of his efforts, not mine. Hesperian 04:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'll leave it up if you pledge to improve an article enough to clear your conscience on that point. DurovaCharge! 04:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I've got four featured articles, and more on the way, so there's no problems there. If I find myself lying awake at night racked with guilt for accepting an award I don't deserve, I'll let you know. ;-) Thanks again. Hesperian 04:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Bear in mind I wouldn't qualify for the imperial triple crown jewels because I have only one GA, even though I've got multiples of the others. Cheers, DurovaCharge! 04:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Truth be told, I'm not greatly enamoured of the GA process. Too many times I've seen it end up with the wrong result. I guess that's the risk you take when you place the responsibility for assessment in the hands of a single random volunteer, rather than a consensus of many. I can't in good faith say that I have any plans to take any of my articles through GA. Therefore I shall decline your award, rather than risk devaluing it. Thanks all the same, and I hope my declining hasn't caused offense. Hesperian 05:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Bear in mind I wouldn't qualify for the imperial triple crown jewels because I have only one GA, even though I've got multiples of the others. Cheers, DurovaCharge! 04:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I've got four featured articles, and more on the way, so there's no problems there. If I find myself lying awake at night racked with guilt for accepting an award I don't deserve, I'll let you know. ;-) Thanks again. Hesperian 04:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'll leave it up if you pledge to improve an article enough to clear your conscience on that point. DurovaCharge! 04:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
I'm really thrilled to know that I've been honoured with the Triple Crown and to find my name in a select list of those who've achieved 3 feats in Wikipedia. It is people like you who make my day and enthuse me to further the free spirit of wikipedia. Thanks. I will wear the crown majestically. :-) --Idleguy 05:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Triple crown nom
Do you accept self-nominations for the Triple Crown award? If so:
- DYK: Dogs Trust, British Rail flying saucer, Funeral train etc.
- GA: Nebulous, Winter service vehicle
- FC: Winter service vehicle, Nuclear power by country
Either way, I'll also nominate
-Laïka 11:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Duly awarded. :) DurovaCharge! 13:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Many thanks. Laïka 17:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, didn't see this before. :)
- DYK: Hamel, Western Australia; Cameron Park, New South Wales
- GA: Cullacabardee, Western Australia
- FC: Hamersley, Western Australia (which went via the GA route)
In all three cases I was both creator and primary contributor. Orderinchaos 15:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I didn't want to be messy, so I'll just use this sections. The goal of being a more well rounded Wikipedian kept me going through FA, and gave me ideas for getting a Did You Know. This said, I'll use the form I see above.
- DYK: Andrew White (missionary)
- GA: Alanya
- FA: Georgetown University
Cheers!--Patrick Ѻ 02:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Triple Crown
Thanks a lot, Durova. :)
For the sake of accuracy (and since I like shiny imperial objects), I'll give you an updated list:
- Nishkid64
- DYK: Riggs Stephenson, Jaime Navarro, Chuck Estrada, Guy Bush, Gordon Canfield
- GA: J. R. Richard, Lee Smith (baseball), Abram Lincoln Harris, Samjhauta Express bombings, Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale
- FC: Portal:Business and economics, Portal:Disasters, Samuel Adams, Joshua A. Norton, 1880 Republican National Convention
Thanks again. Nishkid64 (talk) 14:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Arbitration on Personal Rapid Transit and Skytran
Since you suggested it, would you please take these related articles to arbitration... I don't know how to do that...thanks...Avidor 14:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Please give me a summary of the issues to be arbitrated, a list of the involved parties, and a list of the prior dispute resolution methods attempted. DurovaCharge! 03:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!
Much appreciated. :) —Nightstallion 15:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 18:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
MoritzB
Hi Durova, sorry to bother you with this but I've just warned user:MoritzB with {{uw-chat3}} for continued disruptive soapboxing. I gave him a level 2 warning a couple of days ago for days of soapboxing, forum-ising and other inappropriate, tendentious & disruptive use of the talk page at White people. He has continued his soapbox about academic work of critical theory being "extreme leftwing" "marxism" or "neo-marxism" & that academic scholarship into the category "white race" is fringe (which is factually inaccurate) - see MoritzB's comments at Talk:White_people#No_Neo-Marxist_POV_is_needed - this continued until my post on 31st of August, in the following section (both are rather long and circuitous). After I left the warning MoritzB decided to remove the stop icon [2].
I'm just requesting some oversight to make sure I'm using the warning properly and just in case the situation escalates--Cailil talk 00:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- It looks like you've acted appropriately and he's acted within his rights. Editors may remove warnings from their own user space. For future reference, removal of a warning also serves as evidence that the editor is aware of the warning. DurovaCharge! 03:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XVIII (August 2007)
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User:Thelmadatter's students' accounts
I saw you were the first name listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Classroom coordination. The above user has gotten her students to establish one account per "group" with the names of the individuals using those accounts listed on the main userpage. I note on the page meta:Role accounts that the French wiki did once permit one multiple-user account, though, because it wasn't officially opposed. I figured the Classroom Coordination Project would be the people to contact regarding this matter. In any event, I think User:Thelmadatter would like any assistance you might be able to offer her on this subject. Thank you. John Carter 20:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- The discussion can be found at User talk:Thelmadatter#Problem with student accounts. It seems like a resolution has been reached but you might want to drop in and offer your advice and guidance anyway.
- --Richard 00:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I've suggested a solution to her dilemma. Let's hope it's satisfactory. DurovaCharge! 02:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
JMFangio on my talk page
Hi Durova. I've got Fangio on my talk page now. He took issue with my characterization that he resisted WP:COOL.
Here's what he wrote on the ArbCom/Evidence page and my response.
Here's the exchange on my talk page.
I have asked him to stop. I don't really see the point to why he's done it unless it's to save face in light of what appears to be an imminent finding by the ArbCom now. He's suggesting that I've misrepresented evidence. Even if that were true (which I don't think it is), it's not like there wasn't a sea of evidence in front of mine. While it's his right to take issue, the fact that he's doing it more than a week after I first posted that particular line seems rather WP:POINTy to me. jddphd (talk · contribs) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jddphd (talk • contribs) 00:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- And so it continues... jddphd (talk · contribs) 00:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Why are you bothering Durova with this? I came to your talk page and pointed you to the fact that I had posted a rebuttal. You pointed me to your rebuttal and then continued to engage me on that topic. Have I made any more posts to your talk page? I'm not sure why I have to come to durova's talk page to deal with this. Have i edit warred with CJN, absolutely - Have i gotten uncivil with him - sure ... have i refused to take a step back? Absolutely not. Your evidence was so far off, it's ridiculous. I have made several posts about a cease and desist from various editing patters (as I currently have on my talk page now)...and if you look at my edit history between following that statement in your evidence (on July 28 [3]) and [4] July 31st, nearly all of my edits were focus on moving articles. I then took another couple of days after that and you will see that most of those edits were related to the CEM that CJN and I had agreed to enter (which he bailed on - not me). I'm not going to post another response to this - if you want clarification, i'll be glad to give it, but please do not falsly accuse me of things like this. JmFangio| ►Chat 00:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The arbitration evidence page isn't an appropriate place for threaded discussion. Please de-thread and disengage. DurovaCharge! 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- I did not think it was appropriate to refractor another users content; please feel free to refractor as you see fit. JmFangio| ►Chat 03:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- That's for either the posting editor or the arbitration clerk to do. If another editor starts threaded discussion there in future, please do not respond except to request dethreading. DurovaCharge! 03:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Duly noted. In the meantime, I consider myself withdrawn from the situation in that I will not comment further there and have already stopped addressing the user on their talk page. I will not comment here further. JmFangio| ►Chat 03:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Classroom project idea
Hello! I have posted my idea for a small school project at the classroom coordination talk page. Please feel free to share any ideas there as replies before I create the page and also if you and your fellow members of the project a) think the idea is acceptable and b) think it is worthwhile. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 02:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
A comment on the Chrisjnelson situation
"One thing I still fail to understand about this whole situation is that, as you say you knew that he didn't want to talk to you, why you tried to get him to talk. Because of your acknowledgement that you were aware that Jmfangio didn't want to talk to you, it's beyond me why you still would try to make him, and because of that, it seems that Jmfangio wasn't able to disengage, as he wanted."
This comment is in response to the statement that Chris made on his talk page, where he said "I know he really didn't want to talk to me" when he was explaining why he made the original comment to Jmfangio. Ksy92003(talk) 02:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Request for help
I'm really sorry to disturb you, but I do not feel not really good in bureaucracy here at WP, maybe you could point me out what should do further. I know, that you're not eager to get into Eastern Europe topics, but insults have to stop. Recent evaluations seems to exagerate further, and I've gotten an answer on my request, and do not know what to do next. This wave of insult on the nationality basis has to be stopped. Thank you in adwance.--Lokyz 19:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)