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A remark about your attitude. I don't appreciate that you post angry and demeaning responses to honest questions and remarks which you don't even bother to read properly before blowing your fuse. That's insulting and pointless. For example (leaving out your sarcasm): You were accusing me of NOT understanding how reverting without an explanation is prima facie disruptive in the middle of an edit war, and not being competent enough in working in a collaborative environment, and so on. That was your response to my remark: "I've invited that editor to the Talk page and have explained the reverts there in detail." I have wasted weeks on an article, getting nowhere because of an obstructive editor. But once I start restoring and protecting my contributions and come to you for advice all I get is your negative attitude. Maybe you're having a bad day, or week, but come on. [[User:Saflieni|Saflieni]] ([[User talk:Saflieni|talk]]) 00:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
A remark about your attitude. I don't appreciate that you post angry and demeaning responses to honest questions and remarks which you don't even bother to read properly before blowing your fuse. That's insulting and pointless. For example (leaving out your sarcasm): You were accusing me of NOT understanding how reverting without an explanation is prima facie disruptive in the middle of an edit war, and not being competent enough in working in a collaborative environment, and so on. That was your response to my remark: "I've invited that editor to the Talk page and have explained the reverts there in detail." I have wasted weeks on an article, getting nowhere because of an obstructive editor. But once I start restoring and protecting my contributions and come to you for advice all I get is your negative attitude. Maybe you're having a bad day, or week, but come on. [[User:Saflieni|Saflieni]] ([[User talk:Saflieni|talk]]) 00:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*You are the obstructive editor, and given this gaslighting of yours I'm not surprised that others find your behavior problematic as well. Don't come back here. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies#top|talk]]) 00:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC) |
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Hello
I am the person you got banned for editing the Tia Dalma page. I get it and I have no hard feelings, I totally deserved it. But I was hoping you could help me. The person whose edits I am removing, I am removing because they keep referring to Tia Dalma as a representation of sexual goddesses (Calypso and Erzulie), neither of which are sexual goddesses if you do any research on them at all. Their source for that is a book I cannot read without buying but is slightly worrisome as it is written by a man and men have the sexist tendency to over sexualise women. I also think that if one does talk about the sexualisation of Tia Dalma that is fine, but they are not providing facts from both perspectives which I perceive as sexist and therefore not actually objective. I don't want to be banned again, of course but I also think that this important to the black female narrative and so will not let up.
As someone who has way more experience on wiki, what do you recommend I should do? Sincerely — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anger0104 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
- Anger0104, the content you removed did not mention "sexual goddesses". Your perception isn't at all relevant here, and neither is mine; the perspective of the author whose work you removed, however, is quite relevant, given that it's published in book form by the University of Georgia Press. And while we're at it, Andrea Nevins, if we believe the picture on her faculty page, is not a man but a Black woman who's got a Ph.D. and focuses on the Caribbean and African Diaspora. Her other monograph is The Embodiment of Disobedience: Fat Black Women's Unruly Political Bodies, so I suggest you should rethink your opinion. Drmies (talk) 21:12, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't "ban" you: you were blocked for 60 hours for edit warring. If you start this all over again, you will be blocked again, and you should take HPfan4 seriously. Drmies (talk) 21:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Hagia Sophia
As I've said before and I hope you don't mind me repeating here, I am not an "anti-Muslim", quite the opposite. I'm sorry I've given this impression. Like I said, I have never suggested the story is true, though at least two Wikipedia articles still say it is. I hope you will make your assessment in light of these facts. Please re-assess my position and please accept my apologies for not making it more explicit sooner. Accusations of me being anti-Muslim are hurtful and unfounded and I would your suggestion to the contrary to be withdrawn. Clearly we didn't agree on how/whether the Mehmed story should be dealt with, but I said at the time I wanted to consider changes and asked for input which was ignored.
The way that Constantinople and Fall of Constantinople deal with the story is an object lesson in the kind of treatment I was hoping to avoid by attributing the story to its authors, making clear the authors were not present and that their alleged witnesses do not support the crucial mythic elements that are essential to the ideological effect, and by demonstrating the numerous incongruent details and mutual contradictions in the sources. I asked before to collaborate on how better to present the narrative, but no-one took part. Perhaps you can suggest how better to handle it, but in any case please retract the accusation of anti-Muslim editing, it's not fair or accurate. GPinkerton (talk) 02:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- GPinkerton, I do not believe I have said "you were anti-Muslim" or something like that. I indicated that your edits, in as much as I know them, suggested a POV that I found to be an impediment in editing neutrally. I see now that you claimed I said "anti-Muslim" also at ANI--that you would say I said that, here and at ANI, is seriously troubling. Drmies (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Annie Donaldson page protection
Hi,
Please remove page protection from Annie Donaldson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), an article you semi-protected. Many thanks, Politrukki (talk) 16:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message
Hi Drmies, I'm just letting recent contributors to Emily W. Murphy know that I've dropped the protection level to extended confirmed and added a consensus required restriction. Please see my explanation on the talk page for more information. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
- I saw, Callanecc--thank you for curating that page. Drmies (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Alabama
Yoicks!? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah. But if User: Tide rolls isn't worried, neither am I. Drmies (talk) 22:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- Football games are won or lost in the trenches, not in the vagaries of external influences. The talented, inspired gentlemen on both sides of the ball in this contest are so focused at this moment that their efforts will be positively Homeric. Roll Tide. Tiderolls 23:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
- I hope you are right. And I hope User:Volunteer Marek and User:AuburnPilot will show up with beers, cause we're still under quarantine. Drmies (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- I sincerely hope he gets well soon. Despite him being Bama coach I think he's a decent guy. Also, we suck this year and we'll probably get whooped but you never know with the Iron Bowl. Volunteer Marek 00:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks VM. I also think he's a decent guy. Tuberville, our new senator, that's a different thing. Now that Trump is out of office, what will be his compass? Yep, you never know with the Iron Bowl. Wish we could watch it together! Drmies (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Stormfront (website) editing dispute
Hi, I think the use of "white nationalist, white supremacist, antisemitic, Holocaust denial" in the first sentence of the article Stormfront (website) is redundant because Neo-Nazis are, by definition, white nationalist, white supremacist, antisemitic Holocaust deniers. The excessive use of descriptors, while 100% accurate, kind of comes across like it's trying to take a jab at Stormfront(?) which is fine in other contexts, but aren't Wikipedia articles supposed to be unopinionated? I think it would be better if the first sentence just read "Stormfront is a Neo-nazi Internet forum, and the Web's first major racial hate site." You clearly disagree, which is why I created a section on the Stormfront (website) talk page so we can discuss this topic. (Talk:Stormfront_(website)#Redundant/excessive_use_of_descriptors) Cc330162 (talk) 00:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- Well, if it's there, all you had to do was ping me from there. Drmies (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not exactly a super experienced editor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cc330162 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- I figured, or you wouldn't have jumped into a high-traffic article like that. Such an edit is almost always going to be reverted. Anyway, I saw your note on the talk page, so let's see how that goes. Take care, Drmies (talk) 01:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not exactly a super experienced editor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cc330162 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Range block
Hi! This wide range block is probably unecessary since many edits seem unrelated and not vandalism. Even for bad contributions they are probably different users, these are dynamic IPs and per the stupid greek ISPs network architecture they may even be from different cities... (Stepped on this by chance when my browser decided to log me out). -Geraki (talk) 09:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- Besides the sock, a longterm disruptor, there are tons and tons of disruptive edits--the many unexplained and unverified soccer edits alone are a good reason for a block. So I do not presume that I blocked one single user: I know I blocked at least two different ones, both of whom are not a net positive for the project, and I think the block is justified... Drmies (talk) 17:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- As I have noted, these are dynamic IPs (VDSL lines). Therefore you have not completely blocked the disruptive users; they can always reboot their routers and get a new IP from another range and continue their behaviour. But you certainly make it more difficult for good faith users who are not that experienced. You would end to block 40% of internet users from Greece (yeap, that is the percentage of this ISP customers). You should probably protect those articles and lift the block. --Geraki (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- You can ask for that at WP:RFPP. No, I am not going to protect a thousand articles on soccer players. Drmies (talk) 00:18, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- As I have noted, these are dynamic IPs (VDSL lines). Therefore you have not completely blocked the disruptive users; they can always reboot their routers and get a new IP from another range and continue their behaviour. But you certainly make it more difficult for good faith users who are not that experienced. You would end to block 40% of internet users from Greece (yeap, that is the percentage of this ISP customers). You should probably protect those articles and lift the block. --Geraki (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Very confused regarding your comments and revert
I am extremely confused at your comments and reversion. There is user who constantly removes valid and sourced information in an attempt to change a certain article. indeed, multiple articles from HateWatch, the Southern Poverty Law Centre and Right Wing Watch have profiled Owen Benjamin. Why can that not be represented in the article? As it is, the article does not convey that Benjamin is involved in daily holocaust denial, spreads Neo Nazi propaganda and encourages violence. The users consistently reverts any edits that accurately report on him. Why did you call me out for this, and why is that okay? Please help me understand, because I don't know why we continue to allow Benjamin to not face the consequences of his actions and words. Thank you. TruthBuster21223 (talk) 17:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know if you are actually confused, but I note a whole bunch of falsehoods in your statement here. Wallyfromdilbert did not in fact remove valid and sourced information from the article: it's all still there, just not in the lead, where, it can be easily argued, it's undue. What your edit accomplished, it seems, was to lift two very specific things out of the article and put them in the lead, while removing the more general and valid information, about his social media stuff being blocked for antisemitism etc. So "why can that not be represented in the article" is simply false; it is in the article, just not in the lead. If you want to get anywhere here, you can discuss things on the talk page, stop making false accusations, and be more careful in your statements about editors and their edits. Drmies (talk) 18:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes I am actually confused. And it was not my edit from the lead, that was another user. Many users felt it was appropriate to be in the lead, while another did not. How does that mean we are disruptive? Also, I never have made a false accusation. TruthBuster21223 (talk) 18:51, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- TruthBuster21223, I understand your concerns about antisemitism, but you clearly have an obsession with pushing a particular point-of-view about Owen Benjamin on Wikipedia, which is the sole content of your edits, and you frequently add material that is unencyclopedic as well as misleading or simply false information. Your statement that "multiple articles from HateWatch, the Southern Poverty Law Centre and Right Wing Watch have profiled Owen Benjamin" is just false. There was one article sourced to SPLC/Hatewatch that you added, and that article in no way "profiles" Benjamin, and so I took out that misleading language that you had added. Similarly, your statement that "Many users felt it was appropriate to be in the lead" is also false (that sentence was recently added by a single user and replaced by me, before being restored by you and replaced again by Drmies). Finally, you continuing to claim that I "consistently revert any edits that accurately report on him" is obviously false and clearly a personal attack. You should actually read that blue link and learn why your behavior is inappropriate. Your complaint at ANI was thrown out for being baseless and you were fortunate to not have it boomerang on you, and now you are being warned by an admin to stop this behavior against me. Seriously, please stop with the falsities and exaggerations and focus on the content. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:03, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)@TruthBuster21223: I could not help but notice your personal attacks and casting of aspersions. I suggest you rethink your approach to editing. My impression is that you are on some sort of crusade rather than being here to build an encyclopedia. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:22, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Galaktoboureko
I have replied to you on the talk page for Galaktoboureko. Spudlace (talk) 02:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Personal Thanks :D
I want to personally thank you for banning user 108.84.252.85 for his vandalism on a bunch of pages (including the Riverside International Raceway page that I had to revert) for 2 years, I wish it could have been longer (life) but it is what it is.
Thanks Jason Trew (talk) 04:20, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Ha, you're welcome! Drmies (talk) 17:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Konli17 Block
Hi, I was wondering why you blocked Konli17 indef. straight. He really improved the flow of multiple sections in articles and his edits were mostly reverted for for the word Kurdistan which was mainly done by the ones who reported him multiple times at the noticeboards just for making it seem he is an edit warrior. I've checked the reports, there was no violation in two of them at all, once, he even reverted less than the filer! of the report. He was also rather active and polite at the talk pages which some of the ones who have reported him, can't really say. He probably became a little tired of the discussions at the noticeboards after he was blocked for reverting less! than the one who filed the report in an edit dispute where he really was arguing rather polite and with reason, while the filer literally answered I don't care what you think which now doesn't seem fair at all, much less regarding the civility discussion that now comes up in the dispute. He was sure here to build an encyclopedia. A block for a few days, ok, but for indef. straight for not wanting to build an encyclopedia, I'd be glad to receive a clarification.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:39, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- It is based on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lapsed Pacifist, where I also provided a brief explanation. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- BTW, this is worth looking at--I hadn't seen it, but these three reports alone, with all the comments from a variety of editors, are enough to warrant a block. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yes I've read it, and this is what I meant. They report Konli17 so it seems! to admins he is an edit warrior. Not single report is valid for the 3RR noticeboard. The one with 4 "reverts"refers to a Kurdish name which he added the first time, and Dilok redirects to Gaziantep Province of which Gaziantep is the capital of. He didn't revert 4 times. In the other report by Supreme Deliciousness there is no violation at all, nor at the one by Beshogur. So if you write these reports alone are valid for block, please check them as well. To the sock puppet report I'd be skeptical and to block a constructive user for three non valid reports...pfff.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Kurds in Turkey shows plenty of reverts and plenty of evidence of edit warring; it's really the same on all those other articles. I see a ton of reverts with the argument "per talk" or "per moderator in RfC", with no evidence that there is a consensus on the talk or a "moderator" who speaks with authority. And edit warring isn't the same as breaking the three-revert rule. Mind you, we could probably block a dozen editors there. You can "pff" all you want, but very relevant evidence was provided at the SPI. Drmies (talk) 23:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your patience with me and for the renewed clarification. I see you seem to be certain and you have way more experience than me in these investigations.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:56, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Don't thank me--it was the detailed diffs in the SPI. I do think that something needs to happen in that area: there are way too many people edit warring, and there is not enough goodwill, I think, on the talk pages. Both sides. I hope editors will be able to find a way to get along. Drmies (talk) 00:14, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your patience with me and for the renewed clarification. I see you seem to be certain and you have way more experience than me in these investigations.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:56, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Kurds in Turkey shows plenty of reverts and plenty of evidence of edit warring; it's really the same on all those other articles. I see a ton of reverts with the argument "per talk" or "per moderator in RfC", with no evidence that there is a consensus on the talk or a "moderator" who speaks with authority. And edit warring isn't the same as breaking the three-revert rule. Mind you, we could probably block a dozen editors there. You can "pff" all you want, but very relevant evidence was provided at the SPI. Drmies (talk) 23:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yes I've read it, and this is what I meant. They report Konli17 so it seems! to admins he is an edit warrior. Not single report is valid for the 3RR noticeboard. The one with 4 "reverts"refers to a Kurdish name which he added the first time, and Dilok redirects to Gaziantep Province of which Gaziantep is the capital of. He didn't revert 4 times. In the other report by Supreme Deliciousness there is no violation at all, nor at the one by Beshogur. So if you write these reports alone are valid for block, please check them as well. To the sock puppet report I'd be skeptical and to block a constructive user for three non valid reports...pfff.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
AN3 question
Hi Drmies. I had this user talk page still on my watchlist from an earlier post when I noticed the AN3 thread. Do you think I can just remove WT:AN3#Multiple threads for same problem since things now appear to have been sorted? In addition, I'm wondering whether PabloLikesToWrestle might need some guidance per WP:YOUNG given what he has posted on his user page. It's possible that he might at least be still a high school student. That's not an excuse for EW for sure, but his age might be a contributing factor to his lack of WP:CIVIL in dealing with this situation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Well, I think that's a great idea. I don't think there's much more I can do there, but maybe you can. I haven't looked at the user page, BTW. Yes, thanks--I appreciate that. I mean, I suppose you saw the messages, and their tone, which was wrong from the get-go. Drmies (talk) 23:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look. I found the comments a bit WP:BITEy at best, and they certainly weren't helping to diffuse the situation; however, another editor seem to be trying to resolve them so I didn't want to pile on. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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IP
Not sure they are going to learn (having been blocked last month) as well. But we will see.Slatersteven (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- Under what IP? I just revoked TPA. Drmies (talk) 18:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- That is odd, as a block was showing on the page dated November, but its not there now. That is really odd.Slatersteven (talk) 18:16, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- must have been another long IP, as his edits do not go back far enough.Slatersteven (talk) 18:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Seven against Thebes
Hey. So I've "finished" Seven against Thebes, and I'd very much appreciate it if you would read it over and share your thoughts. Paul August ☎ 11:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh my goodness--that was Herculean. Thank you for the note--I will look at it when I get a chance--but it looks magnificent already. Drmies (talk) 16:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Wars, real and virtual
Please see my one-week protection. I thought the continued reverts were getting ridiculous. Hope this was not going against your intentions for how to handle this. You can kind of see what both sides would be taking it extremely seriously, though we can't let that kind of thing continue. WP can't solve all the problems of the real world. EdJohnston (talk) 16:55, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- No, I'm fine with it--you're right, I think this is well past what we can handle on the board... Drmies (talk) 17:00, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
A remark about your attitude. I don't appreciate that you post angry and demeaning responses to honest questions and remarks which you don't even bother to read properly before blowing your fuse. That's insulting and pointless. For example (leaving out your sarcasm): You were accusing me of NOT understanding how reverting without an explanation is prima facie disruptive in the middle of an edit war, and not being competent enough in working in a collaborative environment, and so on. That was your response to my remark: "I've invited that editor to the Talk page and have explained the reverts there in detail." I have wasted weeks on an article, getting nowhere because of an obstructive editor. But once I start restoring and protecting my contributions and come to you for advice all I get is your negative attitude. Maybe you're having a bad day, or week, but come on. Saflieni (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- You are the obstructive editor, and given this gaslighting of yours I'm not surprised that others find your behavior problematic as well. Don't come back here. Drmies (talk) 00:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Your Revdel at Sheila Kuehl
Looks like you hid my username instead of the offending one. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)