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Hi, Drmies. User:MikeFromCanmore is a newly registered account and he is removing lesbian content on lesbian or lesbian-related articles in a fashion that can only be described as [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]. See this edit to the [[Lesbianism in erotica]] article,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbianism_in_erotica&diff=527257379&oldid=526993069] this edit to the [[Cunnilingus]] article,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cunnilingus&diff=prev&oldid=527242382] where he removed the lesbian image and then asserted on the talk page that cunnilingus is more commonly performed by males,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cunnilingus&diff=prev&oldid=527241309] and see these edits to the [[Lesbian sexual practices]] article.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527246082&oldid=527244679][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527278778&oldid=527246082][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527304604&oldid=527295753][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527304838&oldid=527304604] He contradicted himself on his "[cunnilingus] is usually an act performed by a male" assertion anyhow, shown with the first edit he made to the Lesbian sexual practices article. |
Hi, Drmies. User:MikeFromCanmore is a newly registered account and he is removing lesbian content on lesbian or lesbian-related articles in a fashion that can only be described as [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]. See this edit to the [[Lesbianism in erotica]] article,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbianism_in_erotica&diff=527257379&oldid=526993069] this edit to the [[Cunnilingus]] article,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cunnilingus&diff=prev&oldid=527242382] where he removed the lesbian image and then asserted on the talk page that cunnilingus is more commonly performed by males,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cunnilingus&diff=prev&oldid=527241309] and see these edits to the [[Lesbian sexual practices]] article.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527246082&oldid=527244679][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527278778&oldid=527246082][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527304604&oldid=527295753][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=527304838&oldid=527304604] He contradicted himself on his "[cunnilingus] is usually an act performed by a male" assertion anyhow, shown with the first edit he made to the Lesbian sexual practices article.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lesbian_sexual_practices&diff=prev&oldid=527244679] |
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Care to help out with this? The user doesn't seem to understand how he's at fault, or that he should abide by [[WP:Verifiability]] instead of his personal opinions,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JoannaSerah&diff=527306957&oldid=527304155#POV] and he doesn't have a clue what [[WP:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] are (as witnessed by his calling the sources he's been removing "biased" and "unreliable"). I've already posted a message to [[WP:LGBT]] about this,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies&diff= |
Care to help out with this? The user doesn't seem to understand how he's at fault, or that he should abide by [[WP:Verifiability]] instead of his personal opinions,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JoannaSerah&diff=527306957&oldid=527304155#POV] and he doesn't have a clue what [[WP:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] are (as witnessed by his calling the sources he's been removing "biased" and "unreliable"). I've already posted a message to [[WP:LGBT]] about this,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies&diff=prev&oldid=527332837#An_editor_is_removing_lesbian_content_on_Wikipedia_based_on_his_personal_opinions_--_WP:IDONTLIKEIT] but this issue needs administrative assistance. I chose to approach one administrator (you) about it instead of reporting it at the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]], especially since some there may feel that it is mostly a content dispute that shouldn't be discussed there. But, as can be seen with this user's edits, it's not just a content dispute but also a problematic user conduct issue. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.132|220.255.2.132]] ([[User talk:220.255.2.132|talk]]) 10:31, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :{{Talk page stalker}} Per the quirks of probabilities, this is the second place I've seen you post this request. I should warn you that you're in serious risk of violating [[WP:CANVASS]] - and this page is sometimes referred to as "[[WP:Administrators' Noticeboard|Administrators' Noticeboard]] 2.0," so it might not be the best place to do that. I took a look at Mike's contributions when I saw your notice at [[WT:LGBT]] (which was made by {{IP|220.255.2.153}}, but I'm assuming you have a dynamically assigned IP or something similar), and didn't really see much of a need for immediate action. Of course back then you were just telling editors in general, but now if you're seeking out admins too, I'm a bit worried that you might be overstating things. Mike was warned for edit-warring on [[Lesbian sexual practices]], and hasn't edited since. If he does continue the dispute in the future, you can obviously take him to [[WP:AN3]], or to any uninvolved admin, but I doubt that there's anything Drmies or any other admin could do at this point, even if they wanted to. Now, since you have a dynamic IP, I can't see everyone you've brought this up with, but from the two requests I've seen so far, this sounds dangerously close to canvassing: You can use [[WT:LGBT]] for things like getting more eyes on anti-gay vandalism, and notifying project participants of discussions which might interest them, but you really shouldn't seek out a project because you hope to find sympathetic views. (I can't help but wonder if you notice the pro-gay marriage userbox on Drmies's userpage.) Figured as the resident gay talk page stalker, I might as well be the one to tell you all this.''' — <u><font color="#000000">[[User:Francophonie&Androphilie|Francophonie&Androphilie]]</font></u>'''<sup>(''<u><font color="#000000">[[User talk:Francophonie&Androphilie|Je vous invite à me parler]]</font></u>'')</sup> 10:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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*Ironically, I had already warned Mike that he is about to get blocked for POV pushing, harassing and edit warring. No comment on the IP. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis</b> <b>Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<small>2¢</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dennis_Brown|<small>©</small>]] <small><b>[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|Join WER]]</b></small> 11:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
*Ironically, I had already warned Mike that he is about to get blocked for POV pushing, harassing and edit warring. No comment on the IP. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis</b> <b>Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<small>2¢</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dennis_Brown|<small>©</small>]] <small><b>[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|Join WER]]</b></small> 11:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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*220.255.2.132, get yourself an account and log in to it. Whatever the merits of the content dispute, you're clearly trying to contribute in good faith, here. But currently you're sharing an edit history with things like {{diff|Remy Ong|prev|477717496|this}}, {{diff|Country|prev|428187224|this}}, [[Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Michelle Phan/613470|this]], and {{diff|Founding of modern Singapore|prev|475366245|this}}. Get an account and get yourself an edit history that is not shared with other people. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 11:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
*220.255.2.132, get yourself an account and log in to it. Whatever the merits of the content dispute, you're clearly trying to contribute in good faith, here. But currently you're sharing an edit history with things like {{diff|Remy Ong|prev|477717496|this}}, {{diff|Country|prev|428187224|this}}, [[Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Michelle Phan/613470|this]], and {{diff|Founding of modern Singapore|prev|475366245|this}}. Get an account and get yourself an edit history that is not shared with other people. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 11:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Francophonie&Androphilie, I've used appropriate means of WP:CANVASS. I have only gone to the WP:LGBT project and here (to Drmies's talk page) about this. It is perfectly acceptable to notify WP:LGBT about edits on a LGBT article which are or seem problematic, and that's what I did. Seeking out sympathetic views at a WikiProject is often legitmately practiced, so your point on that is odd to me, but my going to them was strictly based on knowing that User:MikeFromCanmore's edits were wrong. Not because "Oh, they are going to be on my side because they are LGBT." I'm not even LGBT, and I very much doubt that the editors of the LGBT project side with a person simply because that person is editing in a pro-LGBT way. In fact, I have seen that they don't. "Pro-LGBT way" doesn't mean that the edits are right. And I came here (to Drmies's talk page) because, as I said, I was looking for administrative assistance without possibly being told at the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents page that this is mostly a content dispute that shouldn't be discussed there. I had no idea that Drmies was pro-gay marriage. I usually don't check user pages, but rather user talk pages. And I don't understand how I'm overstating things about User:MikeFromCanmore's edits. Way to [[WP:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. Clearly, no good deed goes unpunished. |
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::Thank you, Dennis Brown and Uncle G. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.136|220.255.2.136]] ([[User talk:220.255.2.136|talk]]) 12:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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This exists?
Historical medieval battles LadyofShalott 19:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- Chess boxing exists, so why not? This is like a Renascence Fair on steroids. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 19:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
In other matters.... up your alley: Homilies d'Organyà? LadyofShalott 19:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- So.... no interest? or just lost in your very busy and very long talk page? LadyofShalott 16:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm. That's all too silly. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of the Nations (Medieval Tournament). Those homilies, that's interesting subject matter. I know very little about Spanish medieval literature, though, but I'd like to see if we can beef that up a little. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- I do wish someone could talk Drmies into autoarchiving...again...--kelapstick(bainuu) 16:05, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Really, any one of us could do it. He's probably just too proud to ask and too technically incompetent to do it himself. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Lady, I looked, and I'll look again--but some of us have jobs, you know. K-stick, no. Hey, I gave a lecture in a high school today, only my second time in a US high school. No third, second time in a public high school, and this one a magnet: this country is fucked up, the place where our city's brightest (and not the richest) kids go to public school is pretty much a dump. Ed, shut up, you whippersnapper. Drmies (talk) 18:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Happy now, K? Ed, I always copy some barnstars and the DYK templates to sub pages; auto-archiving would actually force me to do more work on a regular basis, of which I seem incapable. I'm wondering what the carbon-dioxide footprint of my various subpages is: I just copied 273,000 bytes, and it's number 40. Drmies (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, you're fine, I just couldn't resist an opportunity to point out your advanced years. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- How old are you, Ed? Others appear to know or assume, but I don't know and generally don't assume. Also, these repeated accusations that Drmies is old are a bit silly (I know it's all in good fun, but ...). I know it depends on perspective, but mid-40's is not objectively old. At "worst", it's middle-aged.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, you're fine, I just couldn't resist an opportunity to point out your advanced years. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- I hear worse from my doctor, Bbb, but thanks for coming to my defense. Once arthritis hits them they'll remember how unkind they were. Ed's age is difficult to determine; I'd say somewhere between fourteen and twenty-eight. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Meet that in the middle, dear Drmies. Bbb, it's just in good fun; I'm pretty sure my parents are older than Drmies. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Drmies, it's your own fault for going to your doctor, or at least listening to them. We've now established that Ed is 21, clearly old enough to be an admin on Wikipedia (apparently at about 18), where the minimum admin age is 1 day old (isn't that when we made your latest an admin, Drmies?), and clearly old enough to have more respect for his elders. (If you can have fun with Drmies, I can have fun with you. :-) ).--Bbb23 (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Little Liam (actually he goes by Mr. Liam) isn't really admin material yet. While he appears random in his movements, he exhibits no randomness in his judgment, and he has yet to lash out in anger at someone. Moreover, he doesn't care about commas, the Balkan, and the Israel-Palestine conflict. OK, in all honesty, he can't write yet, I am ashamed to say. He does have a lovely smile though. Anytime you're passing through Alabama, stop by. Bbb, I needed to see a doctor--three months ago. By the time I got around to it the pain (shoulder--rotator cuff, arthritis, etc) had mostly gone away. I got three more doctors I need to visit, one of which on a matter one could bring up in polite conversation. Just you wait, Ed17. Drmies (talk) 02:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Imagine a Wikipedia, where no-one can write. Imagine all the people, living for the dramahz. Can you? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks!
Thanks Drmies,
I really appreciate the barnstar. "Making us all look good" is an excellent bonus to making a better article!
Pleased to have been of service to the project and the people in it as well. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 21:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- To all the talk page stalkers: please have a look at Entertainment, where Whiteghost.ink got cooking in early October. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- Saw that. Awesome work, as I said on the talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Protection
AndresHerutHJaim is a bit more dedicated than to be deterred by a 31 hour block. You mind semi-protecting the recent articles? 190.16.235.226 (talk) is already being used. nableezy - 23:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- It's already done by other admins. Thanks for the note. Drop me a line when you need to--I am not on 24/7, but I'll do my best to lessen the disruption. Someone probably needs a girlfriend, I reckon. Did you ever listen to Ramallah Underground? Drmies (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, will do. As far as Ramallah Underground, never heard of them. Im mostly an old school music fan though, Abdel Halim Hafez, Umm Kulthum and Fairuz more my style. That and Wu-Tang, of course. nableezy - 16:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Re: Your comment on my talk page
Thank you for reading my e-mail, and thank you for comment. I do have a problem with the activities of one of the COI users, though, even if the article is being watched. Tristan noir has followed me to several other articles, and in one particular deletion debate he wound up shouting so loud that he basically de-railed the debate and caused a "redirect/merge" result even though consensus was leaning toward deletion. (Three users cast "votes" in favour of keeping/merging, without any agreement where/why, while myself and four other users gave extensive reasons for deletion.) I have brought TN to WP:ANI after a LONG dispute with him spanning 7-8 articles. (The number is a bit vague, since he has a habit of using the talk page of one article as a forum to attack my edits on other articles.) I still really don't know what to do, though, since his "response" to my WP:ANI posting was so long and forced me to post a rebuttal to some of his more ridiculous claims, that I worry the dispute will (again) scare off even admins from getting involved. elvenscout742 (talk) 02:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Ways to improve Nederlands Letterenfonds
Hi, I'm Jesus Presley. Drmies, thanks for creating Nederlands Letterenfonds!
I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Please expand.
The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. —Preceding undated comment added 03:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- The Teahouse? You do realize that Drmies is an admin with many tens of thousands of edits to his credit? Might I point you to WP:DTTR? LadyofShalott 03:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think the Page Curation tool gives an option for suppressing the templated author notice. It's...still kinda rough. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 03:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Aye, sorry, wasn't aware of this. Will use the Page Curation tool more carefully. Jesus Presley (talk) 03:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Haha, compared to the real doctor of evil I got nothing. Now, I tried to read that Page Curation page and I probably don't get it (which is why I have Writ Keeper on payroll). I assume that I get templated the moment the tool is used to tag the page as a stub, fine. But why did this article show up in some queue at all? It was created a month ago. It wasn't uncategorized--Mandarax literally spend real time finding a category. Something else: Jesus, your message (OK--I've never uttered that phrase before, and it's even funnier since I just watched The Life of Brian. "Jesus, your message from the Mount was impressive, but it's OR!") here said "please expand"--sure, it can do with some. Why not tag the article as such? Not that I mind that the article isn't tagged (tags are ugly), but for new editors it would probably be helpful to see one of those tags, with instructions. Thanks Jesus, and stalkers, Drmies (talk) 05:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- First, it's good to know that you're apparently a Monty Python fan, so maybe my references to "Throatwobbler Mangrove" will be understood.
But more importantly, I see above yet another point against the latest generation of touchy-feely user messages – they include links to the sender's user and/or talk page in the message body, so when they're unsigned, SineBot gets fooled into thinking that they are already signed, and only dates them without signing them. Note – I've stuck to my boycott; in the four months since the new level one warnings appeared, I have not issued a single one. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 11:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well, the problem here isn't that the template confuses SineBot. The problem is that Page Curation isn't signing the notifications. Another thing to chuck onto Ironholds's desk, I suppose. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- I had assumed that the user had added it manually because I'd checked the edit summary and there was no indication that it had been done by a tool. All of the tools I can think of do leave an edit summary notation, so maybe that's something else to put on that desk. I don't know what template was used (there should be a comment in it specifying that – another thing to pile on the desk), but if that's the default wording rather than user-specified input, it needs a lot of work. I think it's very bad form to tell users – and this is apparently targeted at newbies – that "Please expand" is an "issue" that they need to "fix". Ni! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- I was looking at it, and you might be quite right, Mandarax. I assumed that it was a template because I know the tool uses templated replies for things like CSD (which aren't explicitly marked a such: example). But not I'm not sure. I'll try to see if I can catch Ironholds on IRC and ask him about it. There is a field to leave typed comments, but I thought it used a default template if no custom comments are entered. I just thought it was so goofy for someone to type out that whole message without knowing who they're talking to...) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- I had assumed that the user had added it manually because I'd checked the edit summary and there was no indication that it had been done by a tool. All of the tools I can think of do leave an edit summary notation, so maybe that's something else to put on that desk. I don't know what template was used (there should be a comment in it specifying that – another thing to pile on the desk), but if that's the default wording rather than user-specified input, it needs a lot of work. I think it's very bad form to tell users – and this is apparently targeted at newbies – that "Please expand" is an "issue" that they need to "fix". Ni! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well, the problem here isn't that the template confuses SineBot. The problem is that Page Curation isn't signing the notifications. Another thing to chuck onto Ironholds's desk, I suppose. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Aye, sorry, wasn't aware of this. Will use the Page Curation tool more carefully. Jesus Presley (talk) 03:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Mandarax, I love Monty Python. Writ Keeper, I suppose this could be a useful project and I applaud editors like Ironholds and Dennis for their efforts; I wish I had it in me. Not to mention that, as Ed rightly pointed out elsewhere, I don't have the technical capability. Jesus didn't come back (see how funny that user name is? But he did! He appeared to Mary Magdalene!) to this conversation, but if he does, I don't mind being templated and took no offense. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- FYI... You have to manually add a message using Page Curation. When I've added a message, I've always added 4 tildes to sign. I'm not sure if it is set up to automatically sign or not.
- Of more concern, Drmies is an admin, therefore automatically has autopatrolled status. Unless Jesus Presley found the article manually, Nederlands Letterenfonds should never had shown up in New Pages Feed to begin with. I know there was a bug with this while Page Curation was being developed (I reported the bug) and it was fixed. Hmmm, looks like Oliver needs to stop doing headdesks. Ble ydych chi Oliver? Amser i ddeffro i fyny. Bgwhite (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, like I said above, you're probably right. I know that both patrolled and unpatrolled show up in the queue; I don't know if the "next page" button include patrolled pages, because I never use that. As far as autosigning, I know we do that with the Teahouse question gadget, which detects whether people have signed and doesn't let them post until they have; something similar here would probably be a good idea. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Autosigning is on our to-do list :). On the message issue - if you don't fill one in, it's normally (to my knowledge) suppressed. As a matter of fact, I don't personally see any problem with sending this kind of message to long-term editors iff they're needed. "your article doesn't have enough citations" or whatever is something all Wikipedians should care about. I can't see any reason why this article should be in page curation unless it was marked as reviewed, though :/. The default view does include reviewed articles, which could be responsible for the confusion. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, like I said above, you're probably right. I know that both patrolled and unpatrolled show up in the queue; I don't know if the "next page" button include patrolled pages, because I never use that. As far as autosigning, I know we do that with the Teahouse question gadget, which detects whether people have signed and doesn't let them post until they have; something similar here would probably be a good idea. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Accusations of POV-pushing and racism at Tipperary Hill
G'day mate, thank you for your input on the administrators notice board regarding User:TheOldJacobite's claims. Your input was:
- The issue is resolved. The tag is removed. Someone please look this over and close it. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- That article needs help from someone with some pruning shears. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
The problem is still unresolved, as the NPOV tag just keeps getting removed by the user in question. His initial reaction to my pointing out the article was quite racist was to try and censor me by deleting any comment I made, after that he proceeded to just proceeded to report me to the administrators (I don't think he quite understands the procedure of dealing with disagreements, and has a dog in the race++!)
Thus I am quite unsure how to proceed with this matter as I haven't quite encountered someone so impervious to Wikipedia policy. A brief examination of his history shows he has a very vested interest in Irish / IRA related materials, and a track record of misconduct reports and woefully aggressive behaviour to other Wikipedians.
Given simply pointing out an NPOV issue on the article led to an entire bout of crazy from him I am actually quite reluctant to try and engage him further, or reinstate the NPOV tag (the issue is still unresolved, however, he just keeps deleting it contrary to even the tag itself), but editors behaving like that is one of the main grievances most people have with Wikipedia as a resource and I would definitely like to see some form of discipline and policy enforcement take place to 1. rehabilitate and educate the user in question, 2. resolve the dreadfully POV slanted article in question Tipperary Hill removing all elements of POV slant as well as racism.
I initially approached fixing the article in the manner I always do, having contributed much of my time on the project with the 3rd opinion and dispute resolution groups (I only do so on articles I have no vested interest in generally too!) but I really don't know how to proceed.
Any and all advice you could offer on this issue would be greatly appreciated!
BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hello Bash Prompt--thanks for your message, but I'm not sure I see the problem: the article hasn't been edited since a major cleanup operation two weeks ago, and I don't see anything on the talk page. Besides, I don't see the racism there, sorry. Maybe one of the more objective watchers of this page care to have a look? Drmies (talk) 05:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Re: "tanka [are] often ... mistaken for haiku"
I noticed this in your rewrite of the Tanka in English article. Can I get clarification on whether it comes from Goldstein? You cited him at the end of the sentence, but it is unclear whether the information at the start of the sentence comes from him or someone else. Cheers! elvenscout742 (talk) 08:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- The whole sentence comes from Goldstein, which is why the note is at the end of it. Drmies (talk) 14:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Something else: the dates for Teika are, or at least were, far from irrelevant, since neither his article nor the article for Hyakunin Isshu gave a date for the collection. So unless "thirteenth century" is verified in the source you cite, they should be put back. The first version of the article contained way too little chronological explanation for the average reader. Drmies (talk) 14:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- OK, it can be reasonably assumed that it's thirteenth-century, according to page xiv. I noticed you said something about citations: I did all the journal citations with our standard templates, the cleanest way of doing it, and I found Keene on Google Books and adapted the citation accordingly. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, by "irrelevant", I meant Teika's biographical dates. I have no earthly idea why the date for HNIS doesn't appear in either of those articles, but it might because it went through two editions, and so giving "thirteenth century" seemed expedient, especially in the "tanka in English" article which is only loosely related to it anyway. elvenscout742 (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
237,322 bytes later...
Don't you feel a bit lighter now? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I celebrate myself...
...and therefore I am eating leftover calzone and Frito pie for lunch. I propose that all Wikipedia vandals, editors, and administrators take a nap today, starting in about 20 minutes. Drmies (talk) 18:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- I must have missed this memo. I was making bedfellows with Lacan and Ahmad Tohari. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- But Frito pie sounds good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
November 2012
Hi, I'm Drmies. While we appreciate that you enjoy using Wikipedia, please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a social network. Wikipedia is not a place to socialize or do things that are not directly related to improving the encyclopedia. Off-topic material may be deleted at any time. We're sorry if this message has discouraged you from editing this website, but the ultimate goal of this website is to build an encyclopedia (please see WP:NOT for further details). Thank you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM (talk) 18:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Fyi Drmies, WP:DTTR. This is verging on disruptive now. Yazan (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry. I'll stop. BTW, all you talk page stalkers, note that Writ Keeper is again "testing" something in one of his sandboxes. Make a back-up copy of the front page and turn off your modem. Drmies (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- hmph. Clearly you know more about technology than you're admitting. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry. I'll stop. BTW, all you talk page stalkers, note that Writ Keeper is again "testing" something in one of his sandboxes. Make a back-up copy of the front page and turn off your modem. Drmies (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I was horrified to see this! I was using a mobile device earlier, but I still couldn't figure out how I'd accidentally left this warning. I was so confused that I didn't notice the clues that it wasn't really from me. Good April Fools' joke, Doc! I never expected it in November, but then I never expected the Spanish Inquisition either....
DrmiesMANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:06, 30 November 2012 (UTC)- Haha, nobody does! So you have a mobile device as well. Slowly your secrets are revealed, Mandarax. I was looking at someone's talk page the other day on my iPhone. Maybe it was My76Strat's. Anyway, it had a box around it, and because of that, I think, I couldn't see shit on my screen. It's like the wiki app for iPhone (do y'all use that?), where after a couple of indents in a conversation you get a row of single letters on the right-hand side of the screen.
Which reminds me: if anyone has any suggestions for which iPhone app to use for Wikipedia...I think I have some official one? I don't think it allows me to edit. Drmies (talk) 23:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well, a savvy investigator could've surmised that a while ago, when I added a script to require confirmation of rollback while using mobile devices. I wouldn't have been too shocked if I had accidentally left the warning; once I fell asleep with it, and woke up to discover that somehow I had a new Facebook friend in Indonesia! (Either she and her friends are the worst spellers in Indonesia, or Google Translate does the worst job of translating Indonesian that I've ever seen for any language.)
I wasn't aware of a general Wiki app, but I do have two, count 'em two, game apps in which you start at a Wikipedia page and have to navigate using Wikilinks to arrive at a different target page. This is the real reason orphans are so bad! I've only played 'em a few times. But to stay more on topic – the topic being talking about non-Wikipedia stuff – there's a wacky game app called inReverse that I occasionally play. One player goes off and sings a portion of any song they choose. The recording is then played backwards for the other player, who then carefully listens to the backwards version, cut up into snippets, and sings each snippet, trying to mimic the backwards singing as closely as possible. Finally, the second player's backwards song is pieced back together and played backwards, and they have to guess what the mangledly now-forwards song is. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- She would have likely been using bahasa gaul, a local language, and/or text message abbreviations. Google translate doesn't handle vernacular or non-Indonesian languages that well. Aku ora ngerti... Gw ga tau... neither of those, meaning I don't know, will be translated by Google. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the info, Crisco. (I suspected you might respond.)
Lady, I've previously confessed to having a Facebook account, but I almost never go there, except, apparently, when I'm asleep. I still find it just a bit mystifying how it happened. A lot of the workings of these things are mysterious; no matter what Voice control (not Siri) command, it's interpreted as "dial a random number from my contacts, with preference given to the person I least want to talk to". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- I've found myself visiting Drmies talk page around 3x a day just to avoid working on my homework. Procrastination needs reasons, you know. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Your dissertation director called me the other day, Crisco, and threatened to shut me down. So get to work. Mandarax, it will be a fine day when I receive an email with your Facebook information; I'm incognito of course. If you had friended me you would have seen a photo of me and my buddy jumping in the pool this morning. It was very, very cold! Drmies (talk) 23:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know how well he speaks English ;-)... let alone Dutch. Mind you, he did his doctoral thesis partly on literature in the Dutch East Indies (a post-colonial outlook). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info, Crisco. (I suspected you might respond.)
- Well, a savvy investigator could've surmised that a while ago, when I added a script to require confirmation of rollback while using mobile devices. I wouldn't have been too shocked if I had accidentally left the warning; once I fell asleep with it, and woke up to discover that somehow I had a new Facebook friend in Indonesia! (Either she and her friends are the worst spellers in Indonesia, or Google Translate does the worst job of translating Indonesian that I've ever seen for any language.)
- When I'm on my phone, I just scroll to bottom of the page, expand the bottom most bar (just says Wikipedia), click "Desktop" and edit as though at my computer. It's a bit cumbersome and involves a lot of switching the orientation of the phone, but I prefer it to any of the apps I've tried. davidiad.:τ 00:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I do. Not the best, but it works well enough. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Haha, nobody does! So you have a mobile device as well. Slowly your secrets are revealed, Mandarax. I was looking at someone's talk page the other day on my iPhone. Maybe it was My76Strat's. Anyway, it had a box around it, and because of that, I think, I couldn't see shit on my screen. It's like the wiki app for iPhone (do y'all use that?), where after a couple of indents in a conversation you get a row of single letters on the right-hand side of the screen.
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Dear Drmies,
I have given, for you, a few sketchy insights into my recent absence on my talk page. You have motivated me. I am preparing to return, which will, I am sure, impress very few people. But this isn't a popularity game, is it? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Drmies will no doubt have little sympathy for people who choose of their own free wills to build robots named Harley in their garages, and then claim to have difficulty with androids. Uncle G (talk) 21:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Drmies has little sympathy for Georgia and the referees right now. Uncle, let's focus on what really counts, please. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Congratulations! Very bad time management at the very end by Georgia. If they'd downed the ball, they would have had two plays. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:55, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed, let's. It's the Harley robot builders that threaten all human civilization, not the referees. While you are happily watching your sport, Cullen328 is busy building things that will doom us all. Especially because the boffins are preparing for the wrong thing, and studying The Terminator rather than The Transformers, despite the six-year-old evidence that the Harley robot builders are way ahead of Kevin Warwick.
- Kesterton, Michael (2012-11-28). "Cambridge to open centre for Terminator studies". The Globe and Mail.
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(help) - Woollacott, Emma (2012-11-25). "Cambridge center to study tech extinction risks". TG Daily.
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(help) - Gaskell, Adi (2012-11-27). "Risk of a Terminator Style Robot Uprising to be Studied". Technorati.
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(help) - Dugdale, Addy (2012-11-27). "Cambridge University To Analyze Risk Of Robot Rebellion". Fast Company.
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(help) - Maheshwari, Nandini (2006-07-25). "Harley Davidson Robot". BornRich.
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- Kesterton, Michael (2012-11-28). "Cambridge to open centre for Terminator studies". The Globe and Mail.
- I'm fairly confident that Centre for the Study of Existential Risk should redirect somewhere. Possibly risks to civilization, humans, and planet Earth. Ignore Cullen328's "difficulties with android devices" at your peril. Uncle G (talk) 01:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Drmies has little sympathy for Georgia and the referees right now. Uncle, let's focus on what really counts, please. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Precious again
You asked about your day, here it is again is br'erly thanksgiving design:
reviewing eyes
Thank you for reviewing in the Contributor copyright investigations/PumpkinSky, you did a lot to clarify! Paraphrasing (I hope not too closely): If everybody who read this looked at one more article it could be over today, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
December 2012
In order to continue providing the aforementioned support to your attempts to gain youth credibility, I have to prefix this with the qualification that I know that languages aren't your thing, and that you only know about MyFace, YouTwit, and J-Pop. But you might nonetheless enjoy a trip over to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Language#Language. Did you know that for seven years Wikipedia was telling the world that Gyles Brandreth invented the idea of pseudo-minimal pairs that differed in juncture phonemes? The person who managed to get "an ice cream spoon"/"a nice cream spoon" into a 1909 patent application might have taken issue with that. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 21:03, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 00:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Strange edits
Hi Drmies! I saw that you blocked 50.72.204.87 a couple of days ago. Not surprising, since I myself have reverted him/her a few times for playing the game of entering fantasy population numbers to different articles. There is, however, something strange about the edits from December 1 (and also one on November 29). Instead of the usual wild number edits, all but one (Vojvodina) of these numbers were correct! Since there was no source given and no edit summary, the edits were rightly reverted by you. Why 50.72.204.87 suddenly should enter correct numbers, is a mystery. Maybe s/he was trying a double bluff to make other editors (in this case you) revert correct numbers? Anyway, we want the correct numbers in Wikipedia. Since the three articles Bulgarians, Croats ans Slovaks now are semi-protected, I cannot put them in myself, but hope you will help. The source is http://media.popis2011.stat.rs/2012/Nacionalna%20pripadnost-Ethnicity.pdf, and the numbers are: Bulgarians in Serbia 18,543, Croats in Serbia 57,900, Slovaks in Serbia 52,750. Regards! --79.160.40.10 (talk) 08:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Echosonic
- Diffs and context for the talk page watchers:
- EchoSonic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ray Butts · User:Cruzado/Joseph Raymond "Ray" Butts · Ray Butts (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- "Moved FilterTron references to new Ray Butts page"
- "I'm the grandson of Ray Butts. There is new page just submitted with a more complete history and focus on him and his many accomplishment, not just the Echosonic like this page."
- Uncle G (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm someone relatively new to this site. I must say my first impression is one of contradiction and irony. It is not something I really care to spend much time with in its current state.
I was under the impression that this site was left open so it could be perfected by everyone in a collaborative editorial effort. Not a process of having one person perfect articles, at the opinion and nit-picking of random others.
Would it not make more sense if one person could fix the factual content, another might pick a missed grammatical error. It would be much more effective to fix grammatical errors and actually help each other edit, not revert revert and undo progress. The Echosonic article is poorly written if you ask me. Yet it was accepted. It was written has a hybrid about the inventor of the Echosonic, Ray Butts, and the invention itself, originally titled "Ray Butt's Echosonic". The History Section goes into other inventions of Butt, happening after the echosonic, that were only loosely connected. That is certainly not the history of the Echosonic. I know it was done in the best interest, might actually know the person that wrote it, but it is messy and confusing in my opinion. Opinions seem to rule site at my first observance. The goal is not to remove, but to move the biographical information to better inventor biographical page, leaving that article based solely no the Echosonic.
As far as the new article on Ray Butts. The article submitted (the "way" it is written) is a writing style mimicked from the pages of about inventors, from here on wikipedia. So there are other articles written like that on this website. The sources are published magazines interview the very man, or those worked with. There are articles already published that have vague references, no inline citation. Yet they are published (just a disclaimer attached). This is where my impression of the lack of uniformity comes from. It is sloppy and difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruzado (talk • contribs) 09:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Don't take other bad articles as your goal to aim for. Look at Wikipedia:Featured articles for what we aim every article to be. The maintenance tags aren't disclaimers. They are markers that collect together articles that are in need of cleanup and article development. As for calling complete strangers "snobby", "unprofessional", and "English majors" at User talk:Sionk#Article Rejection: Why not give some real reasons, not opinion., it is your own behaviour in public to someone that you've never met that is derogatory, not Sionk's, who in fact wrote nothing about you at all. Be aware that such insults and confrontation will just get you, and your desires, ignored by the community of volunteers that work here, just as it would in any other volunteer-run organization. Uncle G (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Cruzado, thank you for your response. I am not averse to helping you improve the draft and moving it to article space, and while I take issue with a lot of your statements I don't think that a rebuttal would be helpful. I do want to counter one point though: you claim that the EchoSonic article was confusing and you talked about loosely connected statements. While it is true that some of the content focuses not just on the amp, and while it is true (though you may not realize this) that I included some of that information to help establish that Ray Butts was notable, not just that one product, the information you removed in this edit does connect to the main topic since it discusses Atkins and Butts and the FilterTron in relation to the EchoSonic: the source, and thus our text, suggests that the hum caused by the single-coils plugged into the EchoSonic were an impetus to Butts's creation of the humbucker. That strikes me as important enough. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Uncle, I got a question for you. The EchoSonic is notable, as are the FilterTron pickups (just needs to be written up). I guess that makes Ray Butts notable--though I have not yet found references discussing him personally, let alone without those inventions. Any suggestions? I've been cleaning it up some, but most of the article is a summary of the inventions, and the rest is poorly verified. Drmies (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Latest edit on Dale Bozzio page
Drmies, The case was just added (15:05 3 December) through an IP address again. Could you consider deleting? I do not think it appropriate for the addition of the information while its suitability for use in Wikipedia is currently being challenged and under discussion. The Phoenix is being used as a reference. Thank you for whichever tack you take on this. Doc2234 (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Deleting the "TechnoBuffalo Page"
Drmies, I was looking at creating a Wikipedia for a tech/blogging company. The company is called TechnoBuffalo. I figured that since many companies like them should have a page, however since you deleted a page called that I just wanted to make sure that you did not have a reason for deleting that page or if you deleted it for something else. Thank you
Sparty1212 (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hello Sparty--sorry, but I did not delete TechnoBuffalo. I looked at its previous versions and it was deleted a couple of times, most recently under criterion Wikipedia:CSD#A7, which means that it did not make a believable claim of importance, and Wikipedia:CSD#G11, which indicates that it looks like a promotional article. There was mention of "featured on several other tech sites", but "featured" is a cliche and there were no sources provided. If I were you, I'd go through Articles for Creation, at WP:AFC. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 18:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
ARS ANI
FYI, the diff you used is one of Callaway's, not mine pbp 20:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Another similar FYI...you might want to re-read your last comment on Spoildead's talk page. I think you left out a word "not", or an "unless", or said "delete" when you meant "keep" pbp 00:14, 6 December 2012 (UTC)Doesn't matter if you got it right or wrong, Spoildead has been sock-blocked pbp 18:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't see it: he was badgering the "delete" voters, which is what I commented on. Okip again, huh--well, that's just great. Drmies (talk) 18:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Request
I noticed you are online and wanted to ask a favor. Please do a final copy-edit for errors or improvements and then full protect User:Franamax/Honour. It will be transcludable and needn't be vandalized. Thanks, My76Strat (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Strat, I suppose you caught me on my way out a couple of hours ago. I will be glad to protect it, but I don't know about copy editing--it's not an encyclopedic thing and I wouldn't write it this way: it's too personal. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 23:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. I suppose in asking for a copy-edit, it was my hope to have a critique. If it does come across wrong, as I think you were implying, it is that presentation that I was wanting to correct, or soften, or whatever would be best. I thank you again. My76Strat (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Classy
Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly. |
Man, I enjoy a joke as much as the next guy, but some people actually took you seriously. Super classy. :/ Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Really? I'll never forgive you for what you did to me that time. I mean, I still don't know what you did! It made me completely suspicious of everything electronic--I had a faith in the world and you shook it, so you had it coming, pal. And there may be more. Drmies (talk) 23:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- You know, you brought that on yourself. I told you not to actually go on that page. But noooooo, you wouldn't listen... Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:08, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- I had mentioned Writ's "crime" on IRC, and he walked into a lynching mob there today. By that time, I had already figured he was innocent, but it was fun watching them drag an innocent man through the street behind that horse. I guess that portion was my fault, for believing Drmies. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Writ Keeper, I suppose I am sorry! But you know you're a big fat liar: you did tell me to go there. Now, I don't really know what IRC is--pity I missed it. Dennis, don't you know better than to believe me when it comes to technical matters? Fo shizzle! Drmies (talk) 01:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Don't any of you consider leaving links so latecomers can figure out what the heck you're talking about? LadyofShalott 02:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- [1] also at VPT. — Ched : ? 02:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, Ched. Sounds like fun was had by all today. LadyofShalott 02:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Drmies, you are technologically impaired. I'm older than you. While you wasted your time getting a PhD, I was nerding it up on the early IRC equivalent on BBSes. Think of it as AOL Messenger or Yahoo Messenger, but for nerds. Text chat in real time, in a group. We use it for cabal meetings and the like. Ask Bbb23 to show you how..... Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- [1] also at VPT. — Ched : ? 02:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- @Drmies: no, what I told you to do was to delete the page without actually visiting it. If you don't know how to construct the POST request in JQuery necessary to do that...well, how is that my fault? I mean, jeez, that's like COMP435, real beginner stuff. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- ¿ Writ, you're a keeper. I told Mrs. Drmies about all this yesterday and showed her the trouts, and she thought it was pretty funny too. Now pretend to write content and clean up Taro ball, will you? Drmies (talk) 16:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- This is great. Drmies, you deserve several trouts. I'm just sad that the lynching was off-wiki, because I would have loved to add Drmies to the village stocks. Maybe we should anyway. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Real Administrators don't use JQuery any more than they use Perl. Just use this wikitext:
{{plainlink|{{fullurl:User:Drmies|action=delete}}|you won't see Writ Keeper's page by following this hyperlink}}
To bolster your youth credibility yet further, I add this: Dennis Brown, by the way, is referring to an invention where BBS users discovered that if they use their modems to dial other people's computers, through special software they could actually use their telephones to talk to people in real time. This was, as you can imagine, considered a wondrous invention back then. Up until that time, communication had been subject to delays, as one had to wait until 03:00 every day when the modem would wake up the entire house getting the next sentence in the other side of the conversation. Of course, the world has progressed since Dennis Brown's heyday. Thanks to VoIP, it is nowadays possible for modems and telephones to even carry speech, rather than just ASCII Art. There's even talk of iPhones that can make telephone calls directly, although that is as yet still only an Apple R&D project.
Uncle G (talk) 18:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I have an iPhone, which makes me a Real Administrator. (FWIW, I did read that backward text a few days ago, without technological intervention). This iPhone is a curious thing: it gives me maps and social interactions mediated by a government agency called Facebook, and at random times it rings and a computer, who sounds remarkably like my wife, tells me things I should do. I usually do them, just in case it's a real government agency that makes those calls. Drmies (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I guess your wife is secretly a government robot. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- You keep that razor to yourself, sir--I have no use for your "logic". Drmies (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Speaking of iPhones, mine should get to my house before I do. It's in Louisville right now. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- You keep that razor to yourself, sir--I have no use for your "logic". Drmies (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I guess your wife is secretly a government robot. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
False alarm / Shock
1 - hi there mate. False alarm STRIKE TWO! I know now in my heart i will never leave WP unless my life takes a 180º turn, simple as that, too apathetic to try anything new at this point. So, i should just shut the hell up and keep editing :)
2 - Please read this (here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/dutch-youth-soccer-linesman-dies-attack_n_2232427.html?utm_hp_ref=sports-crime). I am not going to say "Animals!" because i do not want to insult a God's gift as beautiful as those who crawl among us but see much much higher than we will ever do. Ah, and no nationality attack intended my dear friend, Portuguese approach to football is as idiotic as it gets too: Cristiano Ronaldo says "I'm good looking, rich and a terrific player that's why people must envy me", and José Mourinho pokes a rival coach in the eye (from the back!) then completes his antics in the press conference with "Pito Vilanova? I don't know who that is" (PITO is slang for penis in Spanish!), i repeat they say that and continued to be revered in my country, both having honours of TV news opener more often than not.
Cheers and keep it up. --AL (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Welcome back VASCO. Always good to see you. Yes, I read that story today (I read Trouw on my iPhone)--pretty gruesome. You know, there's dumb-ass seventeen-year olds everywhere, of course, but there's no excuse for this. Very sad. Drmies (talk) 02:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Help
Can you translate this article: Ceism to Nederlands please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmadce (talk • contribs) 16:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Note: User has been running around spamming the same message and asking for translation to different languages. I speedied the article. Yazan (talk) 16:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Weeeell, you templated it, I speedily deleted it ("A7, G11, G12. Source URL: article completely copied from website/"movement" is not at all notable/creator seems to be involved in the movement if not its founder"--well done). Yes, I saw a note on a Czech user's page, I'm on it. Drmies (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Are we in a pedantic mood today? Fineee, I templated, you, the mighty admin, deleted. :) I feel for the guy though, he asks me for Arabic trans. I template it; he comes here for dutch, you delete it... ;) Cheers. Yazan (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- @Drmies, fine with me. The version I deleted hadn't got far enough to be obvious spam/copyright Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, of all the Dutch users he had to pick me. I don't really feel for him and I've blocked his account. There seems to be a problem with the toolserver so I can't check for cross-wiki contamination. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Are we in a pedantic mood today? Fineee, I templated, you, the mighty admin, deleted. :) I feel for the guy though, he asks me for Arabic trans. I template it; he comes here for dutch, you delete it... ;) Cheers. Yazan (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Weeeell, you templated it, I speedily deleted it ("A7, G11, G12. Source URL: article completely copied from website/"movement" is not at all notable/creator seems to be involved in the movement if not its founder"--well done). Yes, I saw a note on a Czech user's page, I'm on it. Drmies (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm fairly sure that "go fuck yourself" and all of the rest violate laws 11, 12, 14, 15, and 22. Uncle G (talk) 17:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Channeling Clint Eastwood, maybe? Drmies (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Looks to me like he was trying to file an unblock request, seeing as he put his little rant in the "reason=Your reason here" section of the template. Pasted the text into a new request template, though he didn't give any reason to be unblocked, and probably should lose talk page access for blatant personal attacks. Glad to help out the cabal, Drmies, seeing as "wikipedia is a place where you are in it and you are a stupid voyeur who interferes to others work." — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 19:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Tout ca change... Drmies (talk) 19:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Don't get overexcited about revoking talk page access. It happens a lot of the time that people get abusive on their own talk pages, and revoking talk page access can make things worse. If left alone, such people generally run out of steam. The sad thing here is that the account clearly is the founder of this supposed new religion, as the account name matches the name given in the article. If the religion's founder xyrself breaks five of the religion's 22 laws within a matter of hours, it doesn't really bode well for its success. Promoting newly invented religions is not what Wikipedia is for, of course.
Now if this were User talk:Aymatth2 or my user talk page, at this point I'd say:
Did you know … that Jacques-Yves Cousteau was general secretary of the Commission internationale pour l'exploration scientifique de la Mer Méditerranée (CIESM) and Prince Ranier III the president?
But they don't do that around here. It's all timelords, J-Pop, and watching sport on TV. Uncle G (talk) 21:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I agree. I think Anthony took the appropriate middle route. And I was wondering what that earlier reference to "laws" was... here's hoping he socks and re-creates it, so I can see what sounds like a rather amusing read. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Francophonie, I'll let this slide given your youth and your francophilia, but synesthesia is not allowed on my talk page. The occasional ekphrasis isn't really frowned upon, but, unless your real name is John Keats, I prefer that we keep clean senses in this joint. In fact, I'll try and make an edit notice, a rather technical affair which will allow Writ Keeper, Mandarax, Dennis Brown, and others to make fun of me (we aim to please). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Big words make my brain hurt. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Full-size bus (AfD discussion) is made up of small words. Uncle G (talk) 08:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I quite like the word "plenibus", even if it isn't real! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Full-size bus (AfD discussion) is made up of small words. Uncle G (talk) 08:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Enjoy the smell of boldface. Uncle G (talk) 08:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Big words make my brain hurt. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Francophonie, I'll let this slide given your youth and your francophilia, but synesthesia is not allowed on my talk page. The occasional ekphrasis isn't really frowned upon, but, unless your real name is John Keats, I prefer that we keep clean senses in this joint. In fact, I'll try and make an edit notice, a rather technical affair which will allow Writ Keeper, Mandarax, Dennis Brown, and others to make fun of me (we aim to please). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I agree. I think Anthony took the appropriate middle route. And I was wondering what that earlier reference to "laws" was... here's hoping he socks and re-creates it, so I can see what sounds like a rather amusing read. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't suppose you would be interested in translating CIESM to Nederlands? Aymatth2 (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- What's the pay? Drmies (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Good one!
Murariu 2009 and Pickering 2012 for Cousteau's 1966 general secretaryship, by the way.
- Murariu, Dumitru (2009-10-26). "Mihai Băcescu And Jacques Yves Cousteau". Animalia.ro (33). Translated by Monica Manolachi.
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- Murariu, Dumitru (2009-10-26). "Mihai Băcescu And Jacques Yves Cousteau". Animalia.ro (33). Translated by Monica Manolachi.
- By the way, there are various sources in Spanish (talking of the "Comisión Internacional para la Exploración Científica del Mediterráneo") here and there that you might be able to use. Uncle G (talk) 16:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- That was not exciting. I'm sure I have totally forgotten how to write in Dutch, and I caught myself adding a nugget of new content in English. No doubt the Dutchies over there are laughing at my stilted, anglicized prose. Uncle, it's all yours now, in Dutch, French, and English. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I notice that you cheated on the French. Mihai C. Băcescu already exists in French and in Romanian. Don't tell Aymatth2 that all of the pictures from the Romanian are to hand on Commons. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 01:49, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- That was not exciting. I'm sure I have totally forgotten how to write in Dutch, and I caught myself adding a nugget of new content in English. No doubt the Dutchies over there are laughing at my stilted, anglicized prose. Uncle, it's all yours now, in Dutch, French, and English. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Looks to me like he was trying to file an unblock request, seeing as he put his little rant in the "reason=Your reason here" section of the template. Pasted the text into a new request template, though he didn't give any reason to be unblocked, and probably should lose talk page access for blatant personal attacks. Glad to help out the cabal, Drmies, seeing as "wikipedia is a place where you are in it and you are a stupid voyeur who interferes to others work." — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 19:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for Intervention
Thank you for the intervention. I personally had no problem in helping someone with translation to Bengali, but I was a little confused about that particular approach. I could not connect it with anything that might serve a purpose of Wikipedia. --M. Tawsif Salam 19:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Help!
Can someone figure out what the appropriate template is to paste a "not to be confused with the hipster/admin SpacemanSpiff (talk · contribs)" note on the talk and user page of Spacemann Spiff (talk · contribs)? Or can you make the double-nning Spiff change their name? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
{{Distinguish|User:SpacemanSpiff}}
? It looks like: Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)- Or {{Distinguish2|the hipster/admin [[User:SpacemanSpiff|]]}} — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- That does the job, but I'd think, if the user declines a request to change username, they should be blocked for impersonation, like User:Lionsystemss at WP:ANI#Bad username this morning. JohnCD (talk) 23:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, is it an impersonation though? Instead, I'd assume both users are referencing Spaceman Spiff. Unless they are both impersonating a cartoon character, I don't really think it fair to block either in this situation. LadyofShalott 23:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry for the ec — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, Lady, good point: impersonation implies intent. You all pick a nice notice for the top of the page--I can't because I'm involved. Drmies (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, this is one of those rare times when I disagree with the Lady (and, I suppose, your agreement with that with which I disagree). I think that JohnCD is absolutely right. Such usernames are commonly blocked, especially when the original user is an admin. The system normally attempts to prevent anyone from registering a username which is too similar to an existing one; the software may not be confused by this one, but I think humans certainly could be. The user's intentions are only relevant in that they should be given another opportunity to change their name before being blocked, whereas someone with a clear intent to impersonate should be blocked without notice. The policy is at WP:IMPERSONATOR. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- That does the job, but I'd think, if the user declines a request to change username, they should be blocked for impersonation, like User:Lionsystemss at WP:ANI#Bad username this morning. JohnCD (talk) 23:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- OK, that's three badass admins: thanks for your help. I'll leave it to one of you to take the appropriate action--after all, I'm just a little bird and I edit completely on instinct. Drmies (talk) 23:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Tell you why I went looking for Spiffy: he has this note that pops up when you edit his talk page. He used to have nekkid women on there, but when he was running for admin I suggested he change to something less well-you-know, so now it's a dog. I think I should have one of those notifications too; not for dogs or women of course, but I can't figure out what he has or how he did it. Ahem...Writ Keeper...? Pretty please? Drmies (talk) 23:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- You could've asked me, Doc! The bright-pink pop-up didn't catch your eye when you commented yesterday? ;) — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 23:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Ha, yes, I did see that--I needed some extra baby aspirin for the headache it gave me. You're not just a bit gay, are you? ;) Sorry I didn't remember, though, oddly, I remember reading it. Drmies (talk) 23:56, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, after my flamboyance was used in my defense at ANI, I figured it was best to play it up a bit. ;) It's true, though - I think it shows much more on-wiki than off-, as a few confused female friends of mine could attest to. Unfortunately, though, this makes your below "rhetorical flourish" comment unacceptably prejudical, and I'll have to take you to WP:LGBT for an immediate topic ban from all pages edited by gay users. (Still not sure how synesthesia comes into it, though.) — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- You know what, I'm a bad stereotyper: I wasn't connecting the rhetorical flourish to flamboyance. Duh. My oldest daughter and you have something in common, maybe, in terms of outspokenness--she proclaimed loudly that no one in our house believes in God or goes to church and that we don't own any bibles. At the Girl Scout meeting. Mrs. Drmies was shocked and embarrassed; I am (secretly) proud of her. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- She sounds like quite the handful, but in a good way. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Outspoken? Of course! Still confused on two counts, though: which rhetorical flourish of mine was synesthetic, and how, exactly, was it synesthetic? — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 07:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Crisco! You have one too! (Except that yours is boring, haha.) Drmies (talk) 23:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Enjoy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- And the talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I love it! It's so beautiful I'm not going to turn it into an actual edit notice. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 23:46, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- LoL, I hoped you'd like it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, all the cool kids are doing it. for my user page a month-ish ago; too many people trying to ask questions on it, rather than the talk page. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- I love it! It's so beautiful I'm not going to turn it into an actual edit notice. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 23:46, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Synesthesia or synthesis? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Synesthesia, Crisco--Francophonie, above, was found guilty of an unwarranted rhetorical flourish requiring prompt administrative intervention. We're all business here on this talk page, as you know. Drmies (talk) 00:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed, delicious, delicious business. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Synesthesia, Crisco--Francophonie, above, was found guilty of an unwarranted rhetorical flourish requiring prompt administrative intervention. We're all business here on this talk page, as you know. Drmies (talk) 00:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Androphilia and gynephilia
I'm learning something here, Francophonie. Someone dropped something interesting on my Facebook the other day and I'll see if I can find it. Lady--was it you? A Swedish catalog? And then, today, I saw someone categorizing a Dutch swimmer as a Dutch female swimmer (that's according to our guidelines, of course), and was wondering, do we really have to divide everything that way? BTW, I think the German Wiki (capital, of course) has "Mann" and "Frau" as categories. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Glad to help. ;) In my ever-procrastinated credo, I plan on pointing out that the weirdness of my username (I mean, imagine if you went by "Nederlands spreken heterosexual") is proof that I did not at all plan on becoming a serious Wikipedian when I created my account. (There's also this bug in {{urlenconde}} with ampersands... rather annoying. Someone remind me to report it.) — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think so? I posted the sequel to I Want My Hat Back. LadyofShalott 00:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Found it--at least, found a reference to it, this one from The Wall Street Journal. As for serious Wikipedians--some of us belong to Category:Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian. Hey Francophone, don't pigeonhole my sexuality! I can't help it that I'm a sexy beast. Lady, I wore my wolf shirt a couple of weeks ago: I expect a lot of women in the next week or so will have a surprise, when something they're expecting isn't coming. I suppose you could feel something twitch the next state over. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Re: Ecoleetage
Indeed, he was an integral part of the community. But to me the title Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians kinda implies that somebody actually *misses* the people listed on the page. But ... meh. Graham87 00:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I suppose. In fact, before I added his name I looked all up and down that page to see if there was a note to that effect and if there were others who left under a cloud, so I thought it was alright. But it's not worth the effort to go back and add him again. Thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 01:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Talk:Dennis Brown
I removed my comment. Till 04:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Good. So did I. Let's move on. Sorry, but my hyperbole threshold goes down as the day gets older. Drmies (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
One day he's "breaking Wikipedia", the next he's talking to himself...
What will we do next? —Theopolisme 18:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Probably go crazy with power, revdelete that diff so that Nobody Will Ever Know, and lock everyone out of their accounts. You want to watch that one, he's crazy. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sure he thanks you for the advice. —Theopolisme 18:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
What's up doc?
I have a situation that I feel you would be better at reviewing. It is at User_talk:Dennis_Brown#Curious_about_some_new_articles. It appears a professor at UNC Chapel Hill had a project for students to start a ton of articles, most of which aren't really notable. Not sure how we handle these, although obviously we like disclosure so we can assist and be helpful. I thought a fellow Professor might be the best person to look at this, maybe offer him/her future advice, or just review. I had recommended leaving the articles alone for the time, as we don't want to bite potential editors, but they will need addressing eventually. At the end of that section is a link to a page that shows the email address. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:09, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, Lady might be better for this; I seem to recall she was made an Online Ambassador or some such, which I think means that dealing with these kinds of courses was her job (no, Drmies, I don't know what it pays). In any event, the professor should probably be pointed towards WP:USEP or something like that. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'll have a look when I'm done with various things. FWIW, WK, I am a Campus Ambassador--also a charitable, non-tax-deductible act. Drmies (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I had no idea! Nevermind then, you're the man. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Just think, without the Education Program I would have remained blissfully unaware of Drmies' existence. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Is that so, Ed? Just remember, I loved you before I knew you. Drmies (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I guess we get a lot of professors that make assignments on Wikipedia without trying to coordinate even a little with us. They act like we will let just anyone edit around here. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Is that so, Ed? Just remember, I loved you before I knew you. Drmies (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Just think, without the Education Program I would have remained blissfully unaware of Drmies' existence. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I had no idea! Nevermind then, you're the man. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I have a small problem on the WTJU page. The "General Manager" for WTJU is reverting wattage information stating the station is at 1,500 watts, FCC says 600. We have to go by the FCC's "licensed" information (per WPRS and other rules), which says 600 watts unless there is third party sources to back up the claim before the FCC updates their website. Since I can't revert pages all willy-nilly anymore, I am bringing this to your attention. I have left a message on the user's talk page, but haven't yet received a response. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I reverted, with edit summary confirming your note. If you like, you can leave them a welcome message--after all, they're a new user. Thanks Homer, Drmies (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, much appreciated. Welcome message has been deployed. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Discography in progress quick peek for advice
Drmies, Could you please take a quick peek at this here and tell me what you think? Does the format look OK? I am having trouble getting some of the Releases categories in the infobox to direct down to the sections. I am also finding an image or two; and I am compiling more references. Am I on the right track? (I am also working up an expansion of the article page for the producer. Thank you for any help as always. Doc2234 (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- That's a mighty big discography: very impressive work. I've worked with that infobox before and could never figure it out--I'm not the best person to ask. I got it right by being lucky, I think. Back in the day I got some help from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), who also reviewed FL nominations. They're probably a better person to ask; give it a shot, maybe? Drmies (talk) 03:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
NYU-Poly article and List of NYU Polytechnic Institute people
You are deleting massive amounts of sourced materials--MUMMYMAN (talk) 05:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Bullshit. You're turning the article into a fluffy, promotional list, with massive BLP and POV violations. Aren't you blocked yet? Hey, nice image--well done. Drmies (talk) 05:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Marco once warned you because of your behavior--MUMMYMAN (talk) 05:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, in that case... Drmies (talk) 05:35, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, he lasted long. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:31, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Professors, buses, and books
People think that my resources are so good; yet in fact they are in general poorer than those of most Wikipedia editors (even discounting the ones with JSTORrery, Tex-Mex Lexus, and Main Beaming). I do own a couple of books, though. Uncle G (talk) 11:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting article. What I think you were supposed to have read was Coren saying "OK, the sourcing is there--now, Uncle, since you've taken us this far, will you FORTHELOVEOFGOD put those references in a properly expanded version of the article?" Maybe. And I hope Sinterklaas brought you something nice; the girls got bath toys and dresses, and hard pink hats (as opposed to pink hard hats). Drmies (talk) 15:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- I still have some more to write about that church, thanks to Senra. Then, I might be able to get back to this. In the meantime, enjoy User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 121#Sockpuppets on buses. Uncle G (talk) 09:27, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Richard Nieuwenhuizen (Dutch linesman) murder
Hi there Mies,
please message me when/if you find out anything about the juridical outcome of this situation. Without any knowledge of the legal system in your country, i have a gut feeling what will happen to these MURDERERS, reformatory, couple of years (if not one!), slap on the wrist and off you go lads, behave!
For now i know they have been banned for life from football, certainly that's not all they're going to get. Kind regards, dankiu vel --AL (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Help!
Please. BLP violations, edit warring, oy. There's an ale in it for you. 99.153.143.227 (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, I made a stop at the beerstore after going to Publix, but I charged it to your account--an Avery Belgian ale, a Westmalle tripel, an Affligem tripel, and there was something else. In the meantime your opponent got hisself blocked for a week: they're lucky, since I probably would have blocked them indefinitely. All the best to you and yours, and I hope you like my new tits, Drmies (talk) 00:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I'm a leg man mysel---aw, who am I kidding. Ale-wise you're way more sophisticated than I am--last night I was happy with a Guinness. As for the blocked party, honestly I don't consider disruptive accounts 'opponents'; they're just users who don't mean well, and ought not be tolerated. This one has received way too much slack, and I suspect if the subject were a high profile personality an indefinite block would have been applied back in October. But the whole business, with the lack of page protection and warning received by yours truly, is for the birds. How do you stand it? 99.153.143.227 (talk) 00:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- (Musing) I suspect part of the subtext is driven by projection: if someone meant to do mischief to my biography, or that of someone I knew, I'd hope that the efforts would be thwarted immediately, with offending accounts shut down. Sometimes that happens here, but as we know, at other times the wheels turn a bit more slowly, and time-sink discussions ensue that seek to support purely disruptive ends. The only way to deal with that on a personal level is to not take the content of Wikipedia to heart--its very fluidity allows for all manner of bilge, as well as the more prevalent efforts to craft constructive content. At some point the protection of BLPs, and of content in general, will need to acquire greater teeth, or the field of contributors will be narrowed. These are inevitable steps if credibility is to be ramped up. Now, where's that drink...Ive grown thirsty on this soapbox. 99.153.143.227 (talk) 01:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I'm a leg man mysel---aw, who am I kidding. Ale-wise you're way more sophisticated than I am--last night I was happy with a Guinness. As for the blocked party, honestly I don't consider disruptive accounts 'opponents'; they're just users who don't mean well, and ought not be tolerated. This one has received way too much slack, and I suspect if the subject were a high profile personality an indefinite block would have been applied back in October. But the whole business, with the lack of page protection and warning received by yours truly, is for the birds. How do you stand it? 99.153.143.227 (talk) 00:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Re: h
Brohoof received. PS: Your user page is the best. :) 66.87.70.19 (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
PPS: Happy Holidays. :D 66.87.70.19 (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Your edit summary
"OK, can we all stop agreeing so I can post this damn message"...
I thought that was the funniest thing in quite a while. If I wasn't too lazy to find a "omg teh funni" barnstar, I'd give you one. Oh well. Laziness~ gwickwiretalkedits 03:37, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, after that it happened again, and then again. I had more choice words in mind. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:49, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Unlike Puffmaster or whatever his name was, I don't think your admin status should be revoked, and therefore I'm awarding you this barnstar. Go Phightins! 03:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC) |
I have nominated this for DYK under IAR at Template:Did you know nominations/St Marys Church, Clophill. Ryan Vesey 04:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Images
If any of you lot have the access and the capability, extracting the image from Laxton 1850, p. 6 would be very useful. It's the architect's own plan and illustration from 1850, which I think will be even more informative to the reader than a modern photograph. I'll have to check U.K. copyright legislation for architectural drawings, so don't take this as gospel, but it's probably out of U.K. copyright. Uncle G (talk) 12:45, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Certainly out of UK copyright, unless done by a long-lived toddler (death + 70 years of architect and artist). Johnbod (talk) 12:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Uncle, Johnbod. I'm on it. Listen, Uncle, one more thing. You're much cleverer than I am with those references, but there's a few things I don't get. For instance, there's this "BCC" reference, which is clickable and from footnote leads to entry in bibliography. But there is no entry called "BCC" to connect the footnote to the entry without clicking. As an MLA fan I find that troublesome, and I think it also means that visually impaired readers who use software to read the article won't be able to make the link. I also noted that the reference bibliography is not alphabetized: is there an organizing principle that I just don't see? Drmies (talk) 15:41, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- With your liking for Bacon-flavoured things, I can see how you might be a Meat and Livestock Australia fan, although that shouldn't prevent you from replacing "BCC" with "Bedfordshire County Council" if you want to. The organizing principle this far, at least, relating to both this and apostrophes, is espoused on User talk:Uncle G#St Marys Church, Clophill. Uncle G (talk) 09:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Johnbod, can you help me out here? The image is here, but when I got to the licensing part it didn't give me an option "copyright expired in the UK". I don't know how to get it right. Also, and I think you know this better than me, can you add a couple of categories to the image? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Uncle, Johnbod. I'm on it. Listen, Uncle, one more thing. You're much cleverer than I am with those references, but there's a few things I don't get. For instance, there's this "BCC" reference, which is clickable and from footnote leads to entry in bibliography. But there is no entry called "BCC" to connect the footnote to the entry without clicking. As an MLA fan I find that troublesome, and I think it also means that visually impaired readers who use software to read the article won't be able to make the link. I also noted that the reference bibliography is not alphabetized: is there an organizing principle that I just don't see? Drmies (talk) 15:41, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- (Erm, why does the above link to me? Hmmm) Anyway, on the subject of images, consider this. A search of Geograph.org.uk with the string "Mary Clophill" reveals four images, three of which might suit the article: Parish church, Clophill, Beds, St Mary's Old Church, Clophill and Ruined church of St Mary's, Clophill, Beds. I am sure you are aware that most, if not all, Geograph images are CC BY-SA 2.0, and thus suitable for uploading to Wikimedia Commons --Senra (talk) 17:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'll see about getting the Geograph ones in a little bit. There's a Commons import 'bot for it, as I recall. A more interesting image is this 1900-and-something photograph, claimed to be a postcard and showing both the intact roof and the now-removed gravestones, which we could use to good effect similar to the "before and after" usage on this WWW page. But locating the copyright holder of a 1900-and-something photograph taken by "J.H.O." is a lot of effort. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 17:42, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- It turns out that we've had File:Parish church, Clophill, Beds - geograph.org.uk - 64930.jpg and File:Ruined church of St Mary's, Clophill, Beds - geograph.org.uk - 64919.jpg for some time. Uncle G (talk) 18:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- More images here, including a possible 1800 drawing (but no source information): Clophill - a photographic history
- Using this technique (google.com only) I found more than ten sources for your "1900-and-something photograph", the earliest of which is the National Education Network version (19 October 2005). However, that version has the photographer information cropped off. I wrote to Steve Bulman of Churches-uk-ireland.org and asked him for source information
Deletion of Corner Travel Index page...
Hello. Thank you for all the great work you and others have done to build Wikipedia into what it is today.
I recently noticed that Corner Travel Index had been deleted. I see in the reasons that you marked it as promotional and spam. You also indicated that it was written by a paid editor.
My challenge is this... I developed the idea of Corner Travel Index as a means of measuring suspension flex. In our industry/world Ramp Travel Index is the norm and, since Ramp Travel Index exists on Wikipedia, I thought it was appropriate to put an article up that talks about this new, growing, standard.
So I am trying to understand what we did wrong that made it "Promotional" in your eyes? What we can do better with it? It is true that I paid someone to post it for us as (1) I have no experience posting, following formats, etc, on Wikipedia and (2) didn't want to do something stupid with it.
I wrote the article in word and sent it to the editor to format and post. I am not sure why that is bad.
Any help and guidance you can provide is appreciated. I would really like to see how we can get that article back.
Thank you,
Matson "Matsonian" Breakey
Matsonian (talk) 18:16, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)It read like an advertisement: it was filled with crap addressing the reader ("You can do this and that"), it sought to persuade the reader that the CTI is superior to the RTI, and in general came across as promotional. It contained almost none of the features which a Wikipedia article should contain: it lacked internal wikilinks to the subjects and topics involved; it had ill-formated links; and the links were not to solid reliable sources of the kind we need here. Like your userpage, it reeks of advertisement and marketing rather than dispassionately presented information.
- Accounts which show no interest in improving Wikipedia, but instead seek only to promote and/or advocate, can be blocked as "spam-only" accounts at any time. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- I missed the part about the "new, growing standard": read this essay, please. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Matsonian, thanks for your note. I agree broadly with Orange Mike, though I might not put it so bluntly--but Mike lives a life of books, and those don't usually get along with forklifts. But yes, the tone was way too unencyclopedic, and by writing the thing yourself and sending it to someone to format and post you made a few mistakes. One was, you could have submitted it to WP:AFC, where you'd have gotten better advice and saved you the money. The other was to send a document that was not like an encyclopedic article to someone who, apparently, did not have the talent or the knowledge to turn it into an encyclopedic article, which is largely a matter of tone, in addition to the necessity of verifying information with reliable sources. So I'm sorry, you wasted your money on that person. If your CTI does become a standard, and well-known and all that, and if it gets written up in reliable sources (magazines, trade publications, newspapers), then you are welcome to try it again. But I'd go through the "official" channels, not through some paid editor doing half-assed work. Sorry, but them's the shakes. All the best, Drmies (talk) 23:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the feedback and the help. I will work on it as recommended and see if we can do better next time. Is there any way to recover the code that was put together so all that work is not lost? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matsonian (talk • contribs) 22:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Alright, you got it: see User:Matsonian/sandbox. Now, let me give you another word of advice: stay away from articles that you have a conflict of interest with, from fork lifts to blues festivals... Drmies (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you, from me!
The Writer's Barnstar | ||
I don't think the student who copied your text into her research paper knows how to do barnstars, Drmies, so I'll just do it myself. Bravo: Wikipedia does in fact make a difference. Drmies (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2012 (UTC) |
- No! Did one of your students really hand in plagiarism of your Wikipedia writing? That's... wow, I don't even know what to say. LadyofShalott 23:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Now, isn't that barnstarworthy? At least they recognize quality writing when they see it. Drmies (talk) 00:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- At least. Have you had a conversation with said student yet? I wonder if this constitutes a WP first. Part of me wants to say "congratulations", but that doesn't seem quite right. LadyofShalott 00:22, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Oh to see the look on the student's face when you show them your logging in as Drmies and then the diff(s) where you added the very material they copied. LadyofShalott 00:23, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- That student owes me a keyboard! OK...I can clean the coffee off it from my spit take and get back to work...but this is absolutely hilarious!--Amadscientist (talk) 00:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- A case of Pierre Menard? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Haha Kiefer, very apt. I remember sitting outside this summer in the sun reading that story, thinking of its unlikeliness. Drmies (talk) 01:36, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- No, Lady, I did not see the look on the student's face when she read her email. There has been no response and I don't really expect one. I wonder if she'll show up for the final exam. We should have a DYK section in the Signpost. Drmies (talk) 01:37, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- A case of Pierre Menard? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- That student owes me a keyboard! OK...I can clean the coffee off it from my spit take and get back to work...but this is absolutely hilarious!--Amadscientist (talk) 00:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Oh to see the look on the student's face when you show them your logging in as Drmies and then the diff(s) where you added the very material they copied. LadyofShalott 00:23, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- At least. Have you had a conversation with said student yet? I wonder if this constitutes a WP first. Part of me wants to say "congratulations", but that doesn't seem quite right. LadyofShalott 00:22, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- I was attending a guest lecture (by a noted academic) a couple years back on early music pedagogy, and one of the presenter's slides looked very familiar...and even included a blue superscript number! Nikkimaria (talk) 01:41, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hilarious! A classicist's curiosity overcomes me: what was the topic of the paper that admitted plagiarism of a synopsis (however accomplished) of book 5 of the Aeneid. davidiad.:τ 01:45, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- The student wrote (well) on the topic of dreams and visions in Gilgamesh and The Aeneid. I discovered that she copied the last sentences of her paper from Sparknotes, and after assigning the paper a zero I looked through it again. The point she was making with my words (copyright duly signed over to the world, of course) was about the parade in the underworld, which I wouldn't even qualify as a vision. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- I have a book published by Academic Press that includes an entire chapter copied without attribution from a Prentice Hall book by a different author. The subjects of the books weren't obviously linked, which is maybe why the author of the Academic Press book thought he'd get away with it. I contacted Academic Press but never received a reply. Such is life. Malleus Fatuorum 01:54, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- You got me beat, Malleus: I don't have a book published yet! ;) Drmies (talk) 02:17, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't have a book published yet either smart arse. Still, can't be too hard, look at the idiots who have. Malleus Fatuorum 03:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, couldn't resist. It's one of those little BE/AmE things that will come up next semester, in April or so, in my HEL class. Getting a book published with a decent press is actually not that easy, esp. not a first book. It's the big shots that more easily get away with stuff, and they don't have to plug them by themselves, on Amazon and Wikipedia. Of course, if I wasn't wasting my time here, with this addiction, mine would be finished by now. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- A photograph of me has been on the cover of a book I didn't write - does that count? Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, couldn't resist. It's one of those little BE/AmE things that will come up next semester, in April or so, in my HEL class. Getting a book published with a decent press is actually not that easy, esp. not a first book. It's the big shots that more easily get away with stuff, and they don't have to plug them by themselves, on Amazon and Wikipedia. Of course, if I wasn't wasting my time here, with this addiction, mine would be finished by now. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- I don't have a book published yet either smart arse. Still, can't be too hard, look at the idiots who have. Malleus Fatuorum 03:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- You got me beat, Malleus: I don't have a book published yet! ;) Drmies (talk) 02:17, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hilarious! A classicist's curiosity overcomes me: what was the topic of the paper that admitted plagiarism of a synopsis (however accomplished) of book 5 of the Aeneid. davidiad.:τ 01:45, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Now, isn't that barnstarworthy? At least they recognize quality writing when they see it. Drmies (talk) 00:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Hahaha. This is unbelievably incredible. Congratulations, Drm. Kevin Gorman (talk) 01:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- This is truly hilarious, I actually did laugh out loud. Way to inspire a generation of lazy dishonest students. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- No published books but I did have a fact I wrote about on Wikipedia (that I have since removed as circular referencing. The reference I was using turned out to have been referenced from the site I had first made note of the information on) show up on IMDB and then get written into a book that questioned the information (but in such a way that still didn't disprove it) and i found it when looking for an RS to re-add it. LOL!--Amadscientist (talk) 03:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- This is truly hilarious, I actually did laugh out loud. Way to inspire a generation of lazy dishonest students. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Haha, it's amazing how stuff you do on Wikipedia gets about. The other day a reference was added to a page I watched. While reading through the reference (actually a blog) I saw a map of England that I had made, and no attribution :( Ah well, at least it's getting some use! Del♉sion23 (talk) 23:52, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
very dead people versus customers
I'm more in Malleus Fatuorum's category. I discovered a few years ago that I am the unwitting author of most of a chapter of someone else's book, as well as a fair amount of a different person's university thesis. Alas, I didn't make a note of the book when I came across it. That was my non-Wikipedia work. As for my Wikipedia work, I noticed a month or so ago that my article rescue of Customer (AfD discussion) — of all things — is being quoted wholesale all over the place. Just to let you know that I'm hot on your coat tails, my rewrite of that article is currently being offered to students as a model essay, in addition to being used to settle arguments, making business consultants look learned, and being presented at insurance seminars.
This is what you get for writing about the poems of very dead people, rather than about subjects that people like to use to make money. ☺
Uncle G (talk) 11:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- If you had assigned one of your employees to write about consumer relationships or so, and you got your own words quoted back at me, you'd be in my category. There's theft and theft, but not all theft leads to irony. One of my old PhD pals on Facebook asked where I plagiarized the stuff from that I put in the Aeneid article. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- You won't get a "wily editor" badge on your user page, you know, until you go back in time and accuse Virgil of plagiarism. My work colleagues, alas, are too smart for such things, and not lazy like your student. ☺ I've known them to check article edit histories. I take it from the "old" that xe is no longer one of your Ph.D. pals on Facebook. Uncle G (talk) 09:02, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Don't you try that with me, Uncle. Your "take" is a willful misreading, and I will take this up with the Foundation's relevant Committee which will, no doubt, issue a correcting directive. Drmies (talk) 16:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- I see. My mistake. You were saying that your Ph.D. pals on Facebook are old. This won't help with the youth cred, you know. Have they all "liked" Willeke Alberti? Uncle G (talk) 08:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- Don't you try that with me, Uncle. Your "take" is a willful misreading, and I will take this up with the Foundation's relevant Committee which will, no doubt, issue a correcting directive. Drmies (talk) 16:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- You won't get a "wily editor" badge on your user page, you know, until you go back in time and accuse Virgil of plagiarism. My work colleagues, alas, are too smart for such things, and not lazy like your student. ☺ I've known them to check article edit histories. I take it from the "old" that xe is no longer one of your Ph.D. pals on Facebook. Uncle G (talk) 09:02, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
In other matters
Our copy of This Is Not My Hat finally came in today. You need to get ahold of it. You and your kids will fall in love with Jon Klassen all over again. LadyofShalott 02:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Apparently Santa is bringing it to us: I can't wait. You know we lost our copy of I want my hat back? Drmies (talk) 02:13, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Talkback
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Maybe you understand this ANI
Recently someone restored this ANI thread, which had been archived: WP:ANI#WP:SPA apparently promoting an author to which he/she is personally linked. Will this thread reach a happy ending and be somehow closed? It seems unlikely that many people would have the patience to comment, but you are one of the names I recognize in the thread. If you still have an opinion, would you be willing to summarize what this is about? It appears that a semi-voluntary mutual topic ban of two people could be agreed on, and would be easy to understand. Also, this thread is already super-long, and if we agree to a vague deal that could be read in different ways we can expect the future monitoring of the deal to use up many, many electrons at ANI again. EdJohnston (talk) 16:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- Oh no--I clicked on it, but I'm not looking at it since it just occurred to me what that thread was about; I had noticed that it disappeared. OK, I'll have a look. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Ed; please look to see what I've done. Drmies (talk) 01:56, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your closure. For best results, your action should be logged in WP:RESTRICT#Placed by the Wikipedia community. If you want to copy a previous example, search for 'Prioryman & Delicious carbuncle'. Or just ask me and I'll do it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:59, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Ed, thank you so much for your help. I learned something new today. Drmies (talk) 04:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Congrats on your mastery of the log. From now on I will search for colorful language if I want to find your log entries. Not every admin takes that 'quoted verbatim' literally but it is funnier when they do. Good thing nobody reads the log anyway. EdJohnston (talk) 05:48, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Bacon flavored bacon
Just fired up the smoker, have two racks of ribs, some chicken wings getting ready for buffalo sauce, and a 3 pound block of bacon working. Got family coming over (the part I like) and going to watch movies, eat ribs, eat wings, drink beer, and of course, eat bacon. It sucks to not be me today. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 19:48, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm going to pretend that I did not see you on your soapbox somewhere giving fruit and carbohydrates a bad name. FWIW, we have roasted parsnips and carrots, roasted beets, boiled and sauteed small potatoes, pork chops, sauteed beat greens, and mustard vinaigrette for dinner. It ain't wings and bacon, but I feel a lot less guilty than you should. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Ha! I've never been in better health, lowest weight in decades. I usually eat lean meats and lots of leafy veggies, but once a week I splurge. And no, I don't do carbs (ie: mainly no flour or sugar) and I damn sure don't eat fructose of any kind, that stuff will kill you. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 03:17, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- You clearly don't subscribe to the wisdom of Gabriel Iglesias who said "I don't want to die tomorrow knowing I could've had a piece of cake tonight". Ryan Vesey 03:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- You beat your greens? What'd they ever do to you? LadyofShalott 04:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Being a Meat and Livestock Australia fan, Drmies doesn't mess about. Uncle G (talk) 09:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- Dennis, that truly sounds delightful, especially after my weekend thus far. Go Phightins! 04:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- It was, and my left arm hasn't gone numb yet so I think I'm in the clear. ;) It probably helps that I use a little moderation in my quantities as well. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I get home Thursday and plan on eating bacon every day for at least a week. My diet this last month has been cheese and crackers, (possibly recalled for containing benzopyrene) instant noodles, some fruit, soup, and peanut butter. Fortunately I have managed to get in a couple slices of pizza. --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:11, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Bacon is so messy to cook, we usually do a large quantity at a time and refrigerate it in a ziplock bag. Easy to pull out two or three sliced, microwave, crumple over a salad and you have a complete meal. But the smoked variety is like an orgasm for your taste buds. The flavor is so rich, I can't eat too much in one sitting. Excellent with beer. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 09:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
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Not to flood your page with TB's, but you're always going on about your technical ineptitude, so I'm erring on the side of caution. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 03:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- How exciting! I'm hoping your next missive will come attached to a nice package with Christmas gifts. We don't have any fruitcakes yet. Drmies (talk) 04:19, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I noticed the changes you made on Lee Hi's article. I wanted to ask if it's alright to add back: Music Program Award and Filmography-Television section. I would like to justify my reason for adding this back. For the music program award, the performances are not lip-synced but live performances. Also the awards she won from M! Countdown are calculated by combining Online Music Sales (50%), Album Sales (10%), M! Countdown Global Online Votes (5%), Age Preference (20%), Live Show Preferences (10%), and Real-time Mobile (SMS) Votes (5%). I don't feel like this section is just triva. Then, I understand that radio apperances and other activites should be remove, because it is trivia. But for her television section, I don't understand the reason for removing that section. However, if you find this is unreasonable, I will not add it back. Thank you. S2nancy (talk) 07:54, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Nancy, thank you for your note. Most K-pop articles suffer from a couple of related diseases: an extraordinary amount of factoids and a limited amount of references to reliable sources. Individual television appearances are simply not relevant, certainly not in the long run. Imagine that every single TV appearance of Tom Cruise or Paul McCartney were listed in their articles. Lip-synced or live (I have some doubts) doesn't really matter either. Awards are notable and worthwhile including if they are verified by reliable sources--by which we mean something more objective and higher up the food chain than allkpop.com and such. Those "news" sites aren't news sites; they are fan sites whose content is, no doubt, pushed by the management of those acts.
What you have in K-pop, with its news portals, TV programs, awards, management, artists, tours, fan clubs, compilations, radio shows, come-backs etc, is a gigantic commercial conglomerate that I and other editors are attempting to keep out of Wikipedia as much as possible. So, if you can verify things by reference to real news sources and reliable sources, then you can include them. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Drmies, thank you for your reply. For the awards from M! Countdown if I source their website that shows history of their charts, will that be reliable source for you. Also, the television show that I wanted to list is the South Korean reality TV competition, "Survival K-Pop Star", which she was a contestant. I think that is at least reasonable to add if that is okay with you. Thank you for helping and working with me. I really appreciate it. S2nancy (talk) 06:27, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
userification of a page
Hi Drm - ages and ages ago, I (successfully) AfDed Psilocybe cyanofriscosa because at the time it failed the GNG and hadn't been formally described as a species. It was recently formally described as a species (albeit under a different name,) and thus deserves an article again. Could you please userfy the deleted article to my userspace somewhere? Preferably with contributor history intact, so that I can retain its attribution history if I reuse any of the material in it. I'd ask the deleting admin, but honestly it's funner to come up with something to nag you about. Thanks, and hope you are well besides for hilarious plagiarism, Kevin Gorman (talk) 08:21, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- This is what you get, Drmies, for seeking youth cred: the attentions of people for whom "ages and ages ago" equates to "last year". Uncle G (talk) 09:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- :p Thanks, Uncle G. I was hoping there would be more useful information in the article, but oh well. Now that it's been formally described, at least I should be able to write a legitimate article about it. Kevin Gorman (talk) 09:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm not nagging. I do think it's funny that, confirming Uncle G's grumpy commentary, I'm being asked by someone to undelete a piece of science that they got deleted first. It's ironic, of course. Sure Kevin, I'm on it--after I finish watching this episode of Littlest Pet Shop. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- When I got it deleted, it wasn't a piece of science! Now, with the recent publication in a peer reviewed mycology journal of a formal description of the species it is :) Kevin Gorman (talk) 21:52, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm not nagging. I do think it's funny that, confirming Uncle G's grumpy commentary, I'm being asked by someone to undelete a piece of science that they got deleted first. It's ironic, of course. Sure Kevin, I'm on it--after I finish watching this episode of Littlest Pet Shop. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- :p Thanks, Uncle G. I was hoping there would be more useful information in the article, but oh well. Now that it's been formally described, at least I should be able to write a legitimate article about it. Kevin Gorman (talk) 09:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Why was the edit war starter has to be me, you're another hypocrite
The talk page at maldivian language got vandalised and deleted many times by by User_talk:Kwamikagam now you're accusing me of edit warring? what kind of a admin are you? Also User_talk:Kwamikagam thinks he owns the wikipedia and everything in the world to rule however User_talk:Kwamikagam what's. I'm just a guy from maldivians trying to contribute the native language of mine but some chinese hypocrite here is vandalising the whole wikipedia and he has also previous vandalism of other language these kind of users shouldn't be allowed in wikipedia, you're doing the opposite as a administrator of Wikipedia, you're taking the wrong decision. --AtefAadd (talk) 18:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Now you're accusing me of harassment, just look at the conversation i haven't used any profanity, User_talk:Kwamikagam is one who harassed me by saying i'm an idiot on the User_talk:Kwamikagam talk page view history: I will not take this problem gentlely i will report all hypocrites and people using admins powers only to achieve their own goals. --AtefAadd (talk) 18:49, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- No, the talk page wasn't vandalized. You were adding a move request discussion when there already was one, and you kept adding it and adding it. That's edit-warring. Then, you're making a whole bunch of changes the validity of which will depend on the result of that discussion. That's disruption. Also, all your edits appear to be reverts of Kwamikagami. That's probably hounding. Finally, Kwamikagami asked you a couple of times to NOT post on gust talk page anymore, and then you continue to--duh--post on his talk page. I'm not talking about profanity, and "idiot" isn't very profane anyway, I'm talking about harassment. Now, "vandalism" doesn't mean "that which you think is wrong", and I suggest you stop using that term if you don't use it correctly. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 19:16, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
An editor is removing lesbian content on Wikipedia based on his personal opinions -- WP:IDONTLIKEIT
Hi, Drmies. User:MikeFromCanmore is a newly registered account and he is removing lesbian content on lesbian or lesbian-related articles in a fashion that can only be described as WP:IDONTLIKEIT. See this edit to the Lesbianism in erotica article,[2] this edit to the Cunnilingus article,[3] where he removed the lesbian image and then asserted on the talk page that cunnilingus is more commonly performed by males,[4] and see these edits to the Lesbian sexual practices article.[5][6][7][8] He contradicted himself on his "[cunnilingus] is usually an act performed by a male" assertion anyhow, shown with the first edit he made to the Lesbian sexual practices article.[9]
Care to help out with this? The user doesn't seem to understand how he's at fault, or that he should abide by WP:Verifiability instead of his personal opinions,[10] and he doesn't have a clue what reliable sources are (as witnessed by his calling the sources he's been removing "biased" and "unreliable"). I've already posted a message to WP:LGBT about this,[11] but this issue needs administrative assistance. I chose to approach one administrator (you) about it instead of reporting it at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, especially since some there may feel that it is mostly a content dispute that shouldn't be discussed there. But, as can be seen with this user's edits, it's not just a content dispute but also a problematic user conduct issue. 220.255.2.132 (talk) 10:31, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Per the quirks of probabilities, this is the second place I've seen you post this request. I should warn you that you're in serious risk of violating WP:CANVASS - and this page is sometimes referred to as "Administrators' Noticeboard 2.0," so it might not be the best place to do that. I took a look at Mike's contributions when I saw your notice at WT:LGBT (which was made by 220.255.2.153 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), but I'm assuming you have a dynamically assigned IP or something similar), and didn't really see much of a need for immediate action. Of course back then you were just telling editors in general, but now if you're seeking out admins too, I'm a bit worried that you might be overstating things. Mike was warned for edit-warring on Lesbian sexual practices, and hasn't edited since. If he does continue the dispute in the future, you can obviously take him to WP:AN3, or to any uninvolved admin, but I doubt that there's anything Drmies or any other admin could do at this point, even if they wanted to. Now, since you have a dynamic IP, I can't see everyone you've brought this up with, but from the two requests I've seen so far, this sounds dangerously close to canvassing: You can use WT:LGBT for things like getting more eyes on anti-gay vandalism, and notifying project participants of discussions which might interest them, but you really shouldn't seek out a project because you hope to find sympathetic views. (I can't help but wonder if you notice the pro-gay marriage userbox on Drmies's userpage.) Figured as the resident gay talk page stalker, I might as well be the one to tell you all this. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 10:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- Ironically, I had already warned Mike that he is about to get blocked for POV pushing, harassing and edit warring. No comment on the IP. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- 220.255.2.132, get yourself an account and log in to it. Whatever the merits of the content dispute, you're clearly trying to contribute in good faith, here. But currently you're sharing an edit history with things like this, this, this, and this. Get an account and get yourself an edit history that is not shared with other people. Uncle G (talk) 11:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- Francophonie&Androphilie, I've used appropriate means of WP:CANVASS. I have only gone to the WP:LGBT project and here (to Drmies's talk page) about this. It is perfectly acceptable to notify WP:LGBT about edits on a LGBT article which are or seem problematic, and that's what I did. Seeking out sympathetic views at a WikiProject is often legitmately practiced, so your point on that is odd to me, but my going to them was strictly based on knowing that User:MikeFromCanmore's edits were wrong. Not because "Oh, they are going to be on my side because they are LGBT." I'm not even LGBT, and I very much doubt that the editors of the LGBT project side with a person simply because that person is editing in a pro-LGBT way. In fact, I have seen that they don't. "Pro-LGBT way" doesn't mean that the edits are right. And I came here (to Drmies's talk page) because, as I said, I was looking for administrative assistance without possibly being told at the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents page that this is mostly a content dispute that shouldn't be discussed there. I had no idea that Drmies was pro-gay marriage. I usually don't check user pages, but rather user talk pages. And I don't understand how I'm overstating things about User:MikeFromCanmore's edits. Way to assume good faith. Clearly, no good deed goes unpunished.
- Thank you, Dennis Brown and Uncle G. 220.255.2.136 (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)