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correcting Printing House Districts in Chicago
(This is my first attempt at using a talk page - I hope I am doing this right.)
It seems you have helped edit the entries entitled "South Loop Printing House District" and "Printing House Row District" in Chicago. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I think I have sorted out some discrepancies here, caused by the fact that there are two Nat Reg districts AND one local Chicago landmark district, all sounding similar. (Also confusing is that one of the Nat Reg districts is desginated a National Historic Landmark and its name is slightly different from the Nat Reg name.) Also, the streets involved are similar, but the address ranges are very specific to each district. Bottom line - I think there is an opportunity to correct all this.
For example, part of the confusion begins with the fact that the title "Printing House Row District" refers to the local Chicago landmark district name, not the Nat Reg name, I believe. So then entries in each of the current listings are somewhat confused.
I'd like to try to correct this, but want to make sure I do it right. What do you think? Thanks. Adgorn (talk) 03:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hey you're doing great. I am glad, very hopeful you will be able to help sort out this confusion. Indeed it is confusing, and you sound like you are on the right track. Unfortunately i won't be able to correspond much in next few days, will get back to this later. doncram (talk) 13:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Conformance of Post Office articles
Hello: Another question concerning recent edits, this time by User:Daniel Case. In the articles U.S. Post Office (Dansville, New York) and U.S. Post Office (Hornell, New York), Mr. Case made such revisions as to remove the NRHP name fron the infobox, and remove the county reference and building type from the first sentence (a "standard" I tend to use for my articles). He indicated he did this to conform to other post office articles. I happen to think having a link to the building type (post office) and to the county where the PO is located to be helpful. I also understood from our previous exchange above on the Maryland churches that we should retain the NRHP name in the infobox. How do I petition to revise the standard for PO articles? Thanks in advance.--Pubdog (talk) 12:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm. Well, Daniel Case makes a few editorial decisions differently, but does great articles, at a steady pace. And he is more experienced than either of us; he helped me get started in Wikipedia, by the way. I do think the NRHP name should show in the infobox, am not sure about other aspects of this. We have to be careful not to try to enforce some standard that is not better, and where differences are a matter of taste we cannot insist on one way vs. another. I will, however, take a look at these sometime later and make some comment at wt:NRHP or elsewhere, but not for a few days at least. Will leave this item open here on my Talk page until i do respond to you more substantially. Thanks! doncram (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Import
The devs have activated Special:Import for admins on enwiki at long last. We are now able to import content with full contribution histories from de, es, fr, it and pl, just like dewiki's been importing articles from enwiki. I've given it a try at Église Saint-Ambroise (Paris); this will be a big help for WP:HSITES. Let me know if there's anything you'd like imported, although I prefer to keep it to clean titles: complex history merges aren't easy or quickly accomplished.
Also, I haven't forgotten about resolution of the town/HD issues. While time has opened up a little, it's about to close again as house guests descend on us for the holidays: the cleaning/decorating/putting-stuff-away has already begun. I'll plug away as time permits. Acroterion (talk) 15:18, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Louis Will
funny recent mention in news [[1]], 10th paragraph Lvklock (talk) 01:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Do you have other pics? I'd like one of the terra cotta details. Lvklock (talk) 14:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
This is currently a redirect to St. Francis Chapel (Colonie, New York), which seems to be a prominent and notable but not-at-all historical Catholic church near Albany, New York. Could you convert it into a disambiguation page? I've discovered another St. Francis Chapel in New Roads, Louisiana. Nyttend (talk) 05:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- St. Francis Chapel dab Done --doncram (talk) 20:46, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Saugatuck River Bridge
Materialscientist (talk) 12:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Interesting
I found these interesting reading.
Wikipedia:INSPECTOR, Wikipedia:Give an article a chance and meta:Eventualism
Lvklock (talk) 14:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Hotel Yancey
Ammodramus discovered two of these places: one in North Platte, Nebraska and one [listed as "Hotel Yancey (The)"] in Grand Island, Nebraska. Nyttend (talk)
- Hotel Yancey dab Done --doncram (talk) 20:46, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
NYS OPRHP press releases about new NRHP listings
Hi don ... Do you recall if you added sites from these press releases to any NRHP county/city other than Orange and Onondaga (Syracuse)? I've removed the sites that have been nominated but not yet listed from those two tables and I'm trying to avoid checking every NY table for these nominations. --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I think that's it. I forgot about Orange, but i recall thinking i would try to catch Daniel Case's attention by that, and only one edit in a Hudson valley county should be needed for that. doncram (talk) 14:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Jay Pritzker Pavilion
<font=3> Thanks again for your helpful comments at peer review. Jay Pritzker Pavilion is now a featured article! TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) and Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:09, 27 January 2010 (UTC) |
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NRHP and Davenport neighborhoods
Actually, would you be interested in helping me expand some of the districts you mentioned? CTJF83 chat 19:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, i started Riverview Terrace Historic District as a stub, would be willing to help on one or 2 others if you suggest particular districts. I am not familiar with the area, so would prefer you pick. Can you possibly visit and take pictures in the district area? I know that there is one panorama type pic available (perhaps yours?). But, the first/main thing needed is to obtain the specific NRHP nomination form about the district. This is different than the MRA document that is on-line, that i linked already. It would be a many-page document about the district only, probably providing detail on each of the contributing buildings individually and providing overall context. Having it would inform a pic-taking visit and allow good devt of the article text. Can you request that from the National Register? Email to nr_reference (at) nps.gov. --doncram (talk) 15:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- E-mailed, and my panorama pic is of this district, if more are needed let me know, and I can take care of that. If I'm picking a few to do, we can do Vander Veer Park Historic District,
Prospect Park Historic DistrictProspect Park Historic District (Davenport, Iowa), McClellan Heights Historic District, and Crescent Warehouse Historic District. Thanks for your help. CTJF83 chat 18:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)- Okay, tx for adding to the Riverview Terrace HD article. I'll start up NRHP stubs for the other ones over the next couple days if no one else beats me to it. (By the way, in doing so I am using a neat tool, what's called the "Elkman NRHP infobox generator, available at http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/ courtesy of User:Elkman.) Let me know when the National Register replies to your request. If they have scanned, e-versions to email, let's trade email addresses (I see we both have email enabled) and then I would appreciate if you could email me copies of them. If they can only send photocopies by postal mail, then I will request the same as you have requested and they can make 2 sets and mail out at the same time. --doncram (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- I sure will. Thanks for all your help. I'll add pictures from User:Ctjf83/Pictures after I cook some lunch :) CTJF83 chat 20:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- Do you think this pic is ok or should I take a new one? CTJF83 chat 20:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- Nice pics there! I like how u have that laid out and captioned, and i like ur panoramic pics especially. I oughta get a camera that can do that. About pics for Prospect Park Historic District (Davenport, Iowa), i think it would be good if you could visit and take new pics of all 23 contributing buildings in the district. You really need the NRHP nom first, to know what they are, probably. For one example of a historic district article that i've contributed to, see Manlius Village Historic District (which does not happen to include a pic of every structure, though I think i do possess a pic for each one). Detroit Financial District is another that does have a pic for each contributing building. Of course it may be the case that fewer pics, panoramic or otherwise, could provide good illustration for an article. I'll ask elsewhere for others' suggestions of good historic district articles to use for models. --doncram (talk) 21:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, tx for adding to the Riverview Terrace HD article. I'll start up NRHP stubs for the other ones over the next couple days if no one else beats me to it. (By the way, in doing so I am using a neat tool, what's called the "Elkman NRHP infobox generator, available at http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/ courtesy of User:Elkman.) Let me know when the National Register replies to your request. If they have scanned, e-versions to email, let's trade email addresses (I see we both have email enabled) and then I would appreciate if you could email me copies of them. If they can only send photocopies by postal mail, then I will request the same as you have requested and they can make 2 sets and mail out at the same time. --doncram (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- E-mailed, and my panorama pic is of this district, if more are needed let me know, and I can take care of that. If I'm picking a few to do, we can do Vander Veer Park Historic District,
Reply
Hi. I replied on my talkpage to the comment you made there. --Orlady (talk) 22:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Discussion continues. --Orlady (talk) 20:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
U.S. vs United States
Hi ... taking a break from NY NRHP to work on Wikipedia:WikiProject United States courts and judges/courthouses. After doing a bunch of articles, the project owner User:BD2412 is now moving all articles with U.S. to United States, such as U.S. Post Office (Missoula, Montana) to United States Post Office (Missoula, Montana). Now after creating what seems like a thousand articles for NY POs, should they have been United States Post Office instead of U.S. Post Office? I appeal to you because I know how much you like POs. Confused again ... time to return to NY--Pubdog (talk) 01:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- I would say to have them at the fully spelled out title because (1) this is an encyclopedia, and abbreviations in titles are unencyclopedic, generally, and (2) it prevents arguments over whether to use "US" or "U.S." - no kidding, I've been in some very heated discussions over the point of punctuation (which was inconsistent among the court names before I moved them, as well). bd2412 T 02:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- (ec) To Pubdog: Okay, good, glad you contacted me again. I have been meaning to get back to the Post office naming conformance issue which you raised a while back, and i promised to address, so it is still showing far above here. I asked just now at User talk:BD2412#naming conventions for U.S. post offices and courthouses about having a discussion and where it should take place. Do you have a suggestion where to hash out anything about naming conventions for these? I need to browse the policy/guideline pages about naming conventions and I think this should be addressed at one of their Talk pages, probably. --doncram (talk) 02:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, BD2412, yes that is actually a good point about US vs. U.S. I really have not brought this back into mind properly, but I do recall that was part of the issue for post office articles, about whether to go with one of those or to follow whichever the National Register's database, NRIS, used (which varies). In some previous situations with NRHPs, I have wanted for the NRHP list-articles to adhere to the NRIS database-given official name. Not sure that applies for this. I will try to tally up how many instances of each kind, anyhow. But the immediate question is where to discuss out a bit more. Thanks! --doncram (talk) 02:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
St. John's Evangelical Lutheran German Church and Cemetery
Just curious, how did you get the nomination form — request from the NPS or otherwise? I don't remember seeing any Nebraska forms online, so I'd be interested in hearing if you got it some other way. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- St. John's Evangelical Lutheran German Church and Cemetery's nom form by email from the National Register upon request. It was the one of 3 Hayes County ones they had scanned, about which i mentioned at the Address Restricted discussion at wt:NRHP. I was interested to notice Kansas has some or all of its NRHP nom docs online, but Nebraska seems to just have very short summaries and small pics, like linked from this article. --doncram (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your note re. Daniel School in Hayes County. I've been in touch with Jessie Nunn at the Nebraska State Historical Society, and she's encouraged me to contact her if there are specific nomination forms that I want. NSHS is in the process of putting them on their website, and they have them up for a number of counties, e.g. Jefferson. I'm not sure what their timetable is for getting the rest online, or the order in which they're posting them.
- Sorry I didn't know that you were going to write the article on St. John's—I think I know where it is, and if I'd known there'd be an article, I would have tried to photograph it while I was in the county.
- --Ammodramus (talk) 23:45, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
AWB
You got AWB working again. What was I missing? Lvklock (talk) 16:15, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Disambiguation, please?
St. Henry's Church is currently an article about a (non-NRHP) church in New Jersey, but I'm just about to start writing an article about an NRHP-listed church in Ohio, "St. Henry Catholic Church". Could you create a disambiguation page? Nyttend (talk) 17:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not going to block because of a request on a talk page, unless it's simple vandalism, and I take it that this is not so. Nyttend (talk) 17:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- No, it is not completely simple. The edits are clearly in violation, however, of P's agreement to abide by mutually-selected mediator Acroterion's judgments including specific ruling on this exact matter. I asked at wp:ANI. Thanks for considering, but you don't have to get involved.
- Sure, will do the disambiguation page requested. --doncram (talk) 17:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the compliment on the photos of St. Henry's! I would also have uploaded a straight-on front shot, but I was there shortly after noon, and the church faces straight north: hence the sun made the church into a silhouette, and it doesn't look at all nice. I hope to get more at some point — there are many more NRHP-listed churches in the area that I expect to visit — so I should be able to pass through some time in late winter or early spring. Nyttend (talk) 03:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sure, will do the disambiguation page requested. --doncram (talk) 17:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Polaron
I'm somewhat puzzled: I wouldn't say that Polaron is violating his editing restriction ("converting articles into redirects or vice versa"), but I also don't understand why redirects are needed or desirable when the redirect title isn't discussed in the target article (as you've pointed out). Acroterion (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with Acroterion on both points. EdJohnston (talk) 05:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Dominguez Rancho Adobe
I like those new LA County maps. But it caused the infobox at Dominguez Rancho Adobe to fill the page. You don't need more to do - but I tried, and am not able to fix it myself. Thanks Emargie (talk) 19:15, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out. Map display was quite akilter there, not sure why. It seemed to fix itself, when i did an edit just removing some extra stuff in infobox, and moving other infobox stuff around. I guess it is okay now. --doncram (talk) 19:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Including "
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" but leaving it blank makes the {{Location map}} template freak out.. so that's what was wrong. Don't include that parameter unless you're going to set a number to it. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Including "
Since I'm so clueless...
Since I'm so clueless about the way things are done at WP:NRHP these days, what should I do with Apartments and Flats of Downtown Indianapolis Thematic Resources now that I screwed up so bad with the names? Should I just put {{db-user}} on it and have an admin delete it? Should I submit it for a regular AFD? I could probably re-edit it so the names are in sync with National Register of Historic Places listings in Center Township, Marion County, Indiana, but since I violated Wikipedia standards so badly, and since I'm completely clueless, I'll let you make the call on this. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Those are over-statements in my view, but I am sorry that you took offense to my comments within Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Cathcart. I've replied further there. --doncram (talk) 15:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Harassment
How much is User:Orlady harassing you? Perhaps Wikipedia:Requests for de-adminship could be looked into? CTJF83 chat 19:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thoughts? CTJF83 chat 00:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your supportive gesture here, and in comments elsewhere. But the process you refer to here appears to be a proposal, not policy. I have not looked into it as I expect it would go nowhere. And, I am really interested in working on NRHP articles, especially with newer NRHP editors in different places, and I would like to focus on that. The contending with Orlady over NRHP articles in CT is really almost over, I believe....well, knock on wood. I will state my case as seems necessary in appropriate forums, and I generally trust it will work out. Anyhow I would hope that you'd work as you have recently to take and add pics, and to do research and develop mainspace articles in your area. Thanks. --doncram (talk) 01:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well I know there is a dysop policy somewhere, cause admins have lost their adminships. I don't know if she has done enough to lose it or not. If you are going to write more articles about NRHP in my area, I'll gladly take pics. I just dunno if I wanna write a bunch of NRHP articles. CTJF83 chat 01:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your supportive gesture here, and in comments elsewhere. But the process you refer to here appears to be a proposal, not policy. I have not looked into it as I expect it would go nowhere. And, I am really interested in working on NRHP articles, especially with newer NRHP editors in different places, and I would like to focus on that. The contending with Orlady over NRHP articles in CT is really almost over, I believe....well, knock on wood. I will state my case as seems necessary in appropriate forums, and I generally trust it will work out. Anyhow I would hope that you'd work as you have recently to take and add pics, and to do research and develop mainspace articles in your area. Thanks. --doncram (talk) 01:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)