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::Ok, I will report you then. And the onus is on one who want to ''add'' something to get the consensus for it, which you haven't, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 21:25, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
:::I will also report you for you anti-Israel POV, as your edits seem to be based on the views of an International body that does not govern Israel. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Solomon%27s_Pools&diff=892923040&oldid=892903507 here]. You are free to report International bias, but your edit should not solely be dependent upon that.[[User:Davidbena|Davidbena]] ([[User talk:Davidbena#top|talk]]) 21:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
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David Welcome to Wiki, Your Patience and attitude is great.
Sorry you have been bit so hard by some of the editors. Some have abused you and clearly violated wikis rule of conduct. It is unfortunate that many who do this know better. Below is a post by a self described New Age editor with a bias against you. I verbally censured him on his talk page and you could bring his intolerant comments to an administrator for guidance on how to address his behavior. I am somewhat new also but know his stereotype is not tolerated on Wiki.
For a Bible thumper it may be very difficult to understand that the Bible is not wholly and objectively true. But as long as he keeps his faith in the infallibility of the Bible completely separate from his Wikipedia activities, he could be a good editor. Some years ago I did not know that one has to use reliable sources in order to edit Wikipedia, but when asked to consider it, I understood this is required from everybody and I complied with this request. For me, the decision was between complying and continuing to edit and quitting in protest; I was not willing to create problems through my edits. This does not imply that I lost faith in the truth of my contributions, but I have understood that they are required to be encyclopedically verifiable. And verifiable means having reliable sources.
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1RR in Articles Related to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Yemenite silversmithing
Regarding Yemenite silversmithing; lots of older pictures from Jerusalem (in the 1960s) have been uploaded to commons, I wonder if some of them don't picture former Yemenite Jewish silversmiths? Search for "Zilversmid aan het werk achter een werktafel" on commons, and please tell me what you think. Huldra (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Wow! That's good news. I'll check them out and see if any might be worthy of that article. There is a picture gallery there, and it could use a few more good images. Thanks, Huldra. ---Davidbena (talk) 21:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Done
- How great that you could identify him! Was he born in Yemen? Should we perhaps start a category for Yosef Salah (Tzadok)? Huldra (talk) 21:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I knew him personally when I lived in Jerusalem. He was born in Sana'a Yemen in 1888, and passed away at the old age of 111 in Jerusalem. His wife, who was considerably younger than him, passed away twenty years before him. He ran a silversmith (jewellery) shop on King David Street, opposite the King David Hotel. I have several personal photographs of him. I would sit down and listen to stories he would tell about Yemen. He was a man of special character. His sister was married to Rabbi Yosef Qafih. I'm not so sure that Yosef Salah (Tzadok) is notable enough for a category of his own. Davidbena (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thats fascinating! I will collect the pictures into a category; if you look at Category:Silversmiths from Yemen, I don't think anyone of them have their own article anywhere, but it is very useful to have commons cat, in order to identify their work. My only question is, what name should it be under? "Yosef Salah (Tzadok)" don't look very good....Huldra (talk) 22:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I would use a Commons category like "Yemenite silver craft", or something like that. The name of one silversmith would not be all-encompassing enough for the repertoire of silver jewellery that is out there.Davidbena (talk) 22:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, but if you look at Category:Silversmiths from Yemen, you will see that Musa Dabwani has his own category, so has S S Habshush, Yahya Habshush, Hayim, etc, etc. I think Yosef Salah (Tzadok) should be equally categorised, Huldra (talk) 22:30, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I would use a Commons category like "Yemenite silver craft", or something like that. The name of one silversmith would not be all-encompassing enough for the repertoire of silver jewellery that is out there.Davidbena (talk) 22:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thats fascinating! I will collect the pictures into a category; if you look at Category:Silversmiths from Yemen, I don't think anyone of them have their own article anywhere, but it is very useful to have commons cat, in order to identify their work. My only question is, what name should it be under? "Yosef Salah (Tzadok)" don't look very good....Huldra (talk) 22:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I knew him personally when I lived in Jerusalem. He was born in Sana'a Yemen in 1888, and passed away at the old age of 111 in Jerusalem. His wife, who was considerably younger than him, passed away twenty years before him. He ran a silversmith (jewellery) shop on King David Street, opposite the King David Hotel. I have several personal photographs of him. I would sit down and listen to stories he would tell about Yemen. He was a man of special character. His sister was married to Rabbi Yosef Qafih. I'm not so sure that Yosef Salah (Tzadok) is notable enough for a category of his own. Davidbena (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- How great that you could identify him! Was he born in Yemen? Should we perhaps start a category for Yosef Salah (Tzadok)? Huldra (talk) 21:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Rfc
I think opening that Rfc was about the stupidest thing to do at this stage. The discussion was as good as closed in your favor. Debresser (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- I was just going to say the same thing. Sir Joseph (talk) 01:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Surely you have been around Wikipedia long enough to know that a reliably sourced, good faith edit is not vandalism. Connormah (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- That was nothing but pure vandalism, my friend. I went to High School with Robin Rand, and I know personally.Davidbena (talk) 21:10, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Connormah's addition of sourced content was in no shape or form vandalism. Please stop making such bad faith and blatantly incorrect accusations as they are considered personal attacks. If you want to dispute the veracity reliable source, take it to the talk page. -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Vandalism it may not have been, but a case of mistaken source. I have already made note of that in the "edit summary." The problem with Robin Rand's page is that there has been a LONG HISTORY of vandalism. Check the edit history, and you will see what I mean.Davidbena (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Regardless of the history of the article, claiming that long-standing well-respected editor is vandalising an article by adding reliably sourced content, and then doubling down when they call you on it, is poor show. Your own personal history is not a reliable source.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:30, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Okay, but perhaps you could have conveyed that in a different manner or stated that initially rather than outright making an accusation of vandalism, then. I was only intending to add some background of where General Rand is from and grew up, as that info is missing from the article (I notice that his USAFA yearbook entry lists him as being from Klamath Falls). Connormah (talk) 21:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- You may wish to see this here.Davidbena (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Okay. I notice that the article that I found is vague in stating that he went to high school 'outside of Klamath Falls', whereas it's specific in which middle school he attended, in Klamath Falls. It also is specific in the year ranges that he lived in Klamath Falls (in the 1960s), where it states his father managed the airport (also verifiable per his father's obituary [1]). Perhaps my initial edit was poorly worded then, but it appears that he at least spent some time in Klamath Falls, enough to list it as his hometown in the 1979 yearbook? Connormah (talk) 21:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- That, indeed, may be the case. Perhaps even his father's home town. My only objection was to his High School. By the way, I also happen to know where he attended Junior High School, and that too was in Colorado Springs; named "South Junior High School." His mother-in-law always teased him about that, since it was not considered a very good Junior High School. Before coming to Israel, I gave to Robin Rand (who then attending the USAF Academy) my personal Bible. He was later put in charge of 1/3 of America's nuclear missiles and bombs, used as a deterrent force to would-be aggressors. Davidbena (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps we could agree on adding a mention of his father's name/Air Force rank, and the years that Gen. Rand lived in Klamath Falls, as listed in the article (as well as the AF Academy yearbook), then? As I said earlier, I was only trying to try and find/add info about his earlier years (as I could not find his birth place). Connormah (talk) 21:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Sometimes editors of Year Books make assumptions. If Robin's father came from Klamath Falls, the editor may have assumed that he was raised there too. I do happen to know that in the late 1960s-early 1970s, Robin Rand attended Junior High School in Colorado Springs.Davidbena (talk) 21:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps we could agree on adding a mention of his father's name/Air Force rank, and the years that Gen. Rand lived in Klamath Falls, as listed in the article (as well as the AF Academy yearbook), then? As I said earlier, I was only trying to try and find/add info about his earlier years (as I could not find his birth place). Connormah (talk) 21:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- That, indeed, may be the case. Perhaps even his father's home town. My only objection was to his High School. By the way, I also happen to know where he attended Junior High School, and that too was in Colorado Springs; named "South Junior High School." His mother-in-law always teased him about that, since it was not considered a very good Junior High School. Before coming to Israel, I gave to Robin Rand (who then attending the USAF Academy) my personal Bible. He was later put in charge of 1/3 of America's nuclear missiles and bombs, used as a deterrent force to would-be aggressors. Davidbena (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Okay. I notice that the article that I found is vague in stating that he went to high school 'outside of Klamath Falls', whereas it's specific in which middle school he attended, in Klamath Falls. It also is specific in the year ranges that he lived in Klamath Falls (in the 1960s), where it states his father managed the airport (also verifiable per his father's obituary [1]). Perhaps my initial edit was poorly worded then, but it appears that he at least spent some time in Klamath Falls, enough to list it as his hometown in the 1979 yearbook? Connormah (talk) 21:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- You may wish to see this here.Davidbena (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Vandalism it may not have been, but a case of mistaken source. I have already made note of that in the "edit summary." The problem with Robin Rand's page is that there has been a LONG HISTORY of vandalism. Check the edit history, and you will see what I mean.Davidbena (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Connormah's addition of sourced content was in no shape or form vandalism. Please stop making such bad faith and blatantly incorrect accusations as they are considered personal attacks. If you want to dispute the veracity reliable source, take it to the talk page. -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps, but I think that we could mention Klamath Falls in some sort of fashion. I tried another edit, perhaps you could improve upon it wherever you see fit. Connormah (talk) 22:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- I wish to express, personally, to you my apologies for reverting your first edit and being somewhat rude about it. I just now checked your User Page and discovered that you are also an administrator here. Had I known in the beginning that you were an administrator, I would not have been so rash, at least not in my judgment, but would have more politely sought an explanation.Davidbena (talk) 22:45, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Missing years
Hi, your edit to Jubilee (biblical) looks good at first glance. I would probably want to go through the entire article at some point but not right now. Anyway, you wrote "The discrepancies between Josephus and Seder Olam have led some scholars to think that the dates prescribed in Seder Olam are only approximations," - if you have a source for this, it would be good to add to Missing years (Jewish calendar)! Ar2332 (talk) 07:01, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Copyright problem on Yemenite Jews
Content you added to the above article back in 2017 appears to have been copied from http://jewishclothing.blogspot.com/2008/09/jewish-clothing.html, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the paragraph directly before the long quotation had to be removed. I also added attribution for the translator Esther van Praag as part of the citation. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 11:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- User:Diannaa, I really do not know what the problem is, as what you have cited as infringement of copyright laws is actually my own post. I am the author of http://jewishclothing.blogspot.com/2008/09/jewish-clothing.html, which are merely questions asked to me and answered by me.. My e-mail address and name are posted there. If you would like for me to send my written letter of consent, I will gladly do so. Meanwhile, am I allowed to restore the edit?Davidbena (talk) 17:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- We need to have documentation that shows the copyright holders have given permission for the material to be copied to this website. Wikipedia has procedures in place for this purpose. Please see WP:Donating copyrighted materials for an explanation of how to do it. There's a sample permission email at WP:Consent. Regardless of the copyright issue, your own blog cannot be considered as a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes, and could even be construed as adding original research, which is not allowed either. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Diannaa As you can see by the content, I am actually citing another source, namely, Erich Brauer. Is he unreliable? His work which I cited from is written in German. If you'd like, I can re-translate the work myself, using Google translation. Would that be a problem? By the way, I have never used that blog as a reference in any Wikipedia posts. Davidbena (talk) 17:46, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry but I did not remove the Brauer quotation; it's still in the article; I removed the paragraph preceding the quotation, because it was very similar and in some places identical to the content in the blog. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Let's look again at what you removed:
- (BEGIN QUOTE) Tunics were worn by men and boys; a habit (Template:Lang-he-n) and a central hat (Template:Lang-he-n) worn by married men in accordance with a teaching in the Babylonian Talmud.[1][2] Normally, Jews did not don gentile garb, seeing that there was a distinct style of clothing for Jews, and another style for Arabs or other non-Jews. These bounds, however, were drawn to extend only to certain pieces of clothing, but not to all pieces of clothing. Some pieces of clothing were indeed similar to those worn by non-Jews. German ethnographer Erich Brauer (1895–1942) described the clothing worn by Yemen's Jews in the following manner: (END QUOTE)
- Sorry but I did not remove the Brauer quotation; it's still in the article; I removed the paragraph preceding the quotation, because it was very similar and in some places identical to the content in the blog. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Diannaa As you can see by the content, I am actually citing another source, namely, Erich Brauer. Is he unreliable? His work which I cited from is written in German. If you'd like, I can re-translate the work myself, using Google translation. Would that be a problem? By the way, I have never used that blog as a reference in any Wikipedia posts. Davidbena (talk) 17:46, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- We need to have documentation that shows the copyright holders have given permission for the material to be copied to this website. Wikipedia has procedures in place for this purpose. Please see WP:Donating copyrighted materials for an explanation of how to do it. There's a sample permission email at WP:Consent. Regardless of the copyright issue, your own blog cannot be considered as a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes, and could even be construed as adding original research, which is not allowed either. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
What I see in this excised passage is a citation from Rabbi Yosef Qafih. Why is his citation removed? If there is any problem here, I can re-word the paragraph. Most of your excised content was in a footnote. This too was taken from Rabbi Yosef Qafih's book, in my own paraphrased style, except for where I translated Hebrew excerpts from his book into English. This, too, is my translation. Would you prefer that I re-word everything?
References
- ^ Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 29b
- ^ Rabbi Yosef Qafih, in his Halikhot Teman (Ben-Zvi Institute: Jerusalem 1982, p. 186), describes the "kufiyya" (hat) and the "massar" (habit; kerchief), saying: "Kufiyya - a soft, felt hat, which covers most of the head. On week-days, they made use of such hats that were black in colour; but on Sabbaths, of a brown colour. In former times, they would sew this hat in an artful fashion, from a plain weave, made white for the Sabbath, and black for the week-days." On the same page he also describes the kerchief worn by men, and which was called "massar", saying: "Massar – a kerchief which is [simply] a piece of square cloth about 80 X 80 cm. [in size], made of silk or cotton; woven with black checkered-squares, and [with] white stripes that run criss-cross [across the fabric]. The [men-folk] wrap the 'massar' around a portion of their fore-head, and around a portion of the [felt] hat, in an awkward fashion, while it was folded diagonally, and is called 'shusheh' (i.e. habit)." From this description, it is evident that the habit was sometimes worn while wrapped around a man's head, or simply partly draped over his head.
Davidbena (talk) 18:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Earwig's tool (that's the tool I used to determine what to remove) does not look at quotations inside citations. Here is a link that shows the overlap. Here's what I see in the body of the article (Old revision of Yemenite Jews):
Tunics were worn by men and boys; a habit (Hebrew: סודרא) and a central hat (Hebrew: כומתא) worn by married men in accordance with a teaching in the Babylonian Talmud.[112][113] Normally, Jews did not don gentile garb, seeing that there was a distinct style of clothing for Jews, and another style for Arabs or other non-Jews. These bounds, however, were drawn to extend only to certain pieces of clothing, but not to all pieces of clothing. Some pieces of clothing were indeed similar to those worn by non-Jews. German ethnographer Erich Brauer (1895–1942) described the clothing worn by Yemen's Jews in the following manner:
Here's what the blog post says:
Jews of the Orient also had it as their practice to wear a central hat (כומתא) with a habit (סודרא) made of cloth wrapped around it, which headgear was traditionally worn by married men in accordance with a teaching in the Talmud (Kiddushin 29b)...In my conversations with the Jewish elders who came up from Yemen, particularly with those who came up here while they were in their mid-30's and had a clear impression of Yemen and of the pure Jewish lifestyle they once lived, I was told that never once did a Jew don gentile garb, but that there was a distinct style of clothing for Jews, and another style for Arabs or non-Jews. It must be emphasized here that the bounds were drawn to extend only to certain pieces of clothing, but not to all pieces of clothing. Some pieces of clothing were indeed similar to those worn by non-Jews. Using Erich Brauer's own description of the clothing worn by Yemen's Jews (from the book, "Ethnologie der jemenitischen Juden," p. 81, published in Heidelberg, 1934) we find the following account (translated from German):
Overlapping portions are marked in bold. You do of course have the option to re-word the content and re-add the supporting citation. Correction: You should not re-add the content, because it is based on your own research – first-hand reports you collected and then reported on your blog. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Your talk page is being archived set to archive to User talk:Alephb/Archive
Your talk page is set to archive to User talk archives of User:Alephb. Why is that? If both accounts are yours, and you have legitimate reasons to be running multiple accounts, you need to have them both marked, for example using the template {{User alternative account}}
. It's recommended that people operate only one account. Please see Wikipedia:Username policy#Using multiple accounts and Wikipedia:Sock puppetry for more information. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:50, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- That's very strange, as I have only come to know of User:Alephb in my Wikipedia communications. Perhaps you should ask him.Davidbena (talk) 18:28, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
1RR
If I'm not mistaken, you just broke 1RR on Solomons pools. Please reverse, and argue your point on the talk page, instead of edit warring, Huldra (talk) 21:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- To the best of my knowledge, this is my first revert. If I was mistaken, I will self-revert. The points have been argued on the Talk-Page. As I recall, it was me who initiated the discussion. You were the one who was quick to revert another's edit.Davidbena (talk) 21:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
AE
Please note, Huldra (talk) 22:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)