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Also, remember to sign with four tildes (or place your cursor where you want your signature - at the end of your posts - and use the signature icon at the top of the text box). [[User:Lightbreather|Lightbreather]] ([[User talk:Lightbreather|talk]]) 16:04, 5 July 2014 (UTC) |
Also, remember to sign with four tildes (or place your cursor where you want your signature - at the end of your posts - and use the signature icon at the top of the text box). [[User:Lightbreather|Lightbreather]] ([[User talk:Lightbreather|talk]]) 16:04, 5 July 2014 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 16:48, 28 July 2014
Say Hello
Welcome to Wikipedia!
I responded to your question at the Teahouse. Most editors use automated templates to welcome new editors. When I see someone new who shows signs of sincerity and a genuine interest, I prefer a personalized greeting. So, I am a real person, not a template or a robot program. I am welcoming you here. If you ever have a sincere question about editing Wikipedia, please ask. If you need a quick response, please ask at the Teahouse. If you want a thoughtful, in depth response but aren't in a rush, please feel free to ask on my talk page. We need new editors to this wonderful encyclopedia. Because it is so vast, it is also quite complicated. Feel free to ask questions at any time, and thank you for your willingness to.get involved . Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks!
I appreciate the welcome and the personalized greeting. I've been reading the "referencing for beginners" page, but I haven't quite figured it out yet. I hate to leave the page in it's current state while I'm learning, so, if your offer to help me with the correction still stands, I'll gladly take take you up on it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_in_the_United_States#Notes_and_references - I also looked at the talk page and noticed that it's been a few years since anyone has done any edits or used the talk page. I did notice some contentious debates between some of the editors, which wasn't surprising at all. There is so much to learn, I'm glad people like yourself are friendly enough to help out. I realize there may have been some hesitancy due to my silly user name. What can I say? I have a relatively sophomoric sense of humor... Thanks again for all your help, and I look forward to chatting with you again, soon. Darknipples (talk) 22:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Darknipples. It looks like you were able to correct the reference problem on your own. As for your user name, yes, it is a trifle risque, but I don't think it violates our policy on account names. The only concern I would have is whether it might bring unwanted attention your way, but the decision is yours. I wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- FWIW, I don't like your user name, but that's not what brought me here. Coincidentally, I worked on the Gun show article Controversies section today and I agree that "Gun show loophole" would be a better section title. However, I think you should move your comments/question to a new talk page section. The one you used is long and hasn't been active in over a year. Lightbreather (talk) 03:02, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
About My User Name
- "FWIW, I don't like your user name" - I'm afraid it isn't worth much, as I think it's too late to change it, but I appreciate your honesty.
- You've only been editing about a week. Ask Cullen328 if there's a way to change it - if you want to. He's got a lot more experience than I, and he probably knows how you could do it. But only if you want to. It is your username, not mine, and you should keep it if you want to.
- But whatever name you use, remember to sign all your posts with the four tildes. Lightbreather (talk) 15:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- I've decided your nickname (DN) suits me well. Thanks LB!! DN 18:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it screws up my signature Darknipples (talk) 02:35, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
About Me
I am apprehensive about sharing any of my personal information in any kind of social media format. Too many weirdos.Darknipples (talk) 00:49, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- I hear you on that. I used to have my gender and marital status on my user page. Now it's more neutral. Editors who have worked with me regularly know I'm a woman - the cat's out of the bag, so to speak - but I don advertise it anymore. Here's a story I read just this morning re misogyny on user-based sites: "http://www.zdnet.com/quoras-misogyny-problem-a-cautionary-tale-7000030762/". Most of the editor's I've worked with here have been respectful, but there are some who have absolutely no respect for women.
- Again, remember to sign your posts with four tildes. Lightbreather (talk) 15:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Suggestions
I am new to wiki, so I appreciate and welcome most suggestions and constructive criticisms.
- Hi DN, welcome to the fray... :) The fewest and best pieces of advice I can give you are these. Even when its intended that way, don't ever take anything personally. Taking things personally is the mother of all problems on this site. On a similar note, nothing said/written is insulting if you are not insulted by it. In other words, Wikipedia is a place where a "thick skin" is useful especially until you get to know the landscape and understand the community a bit better. That said, please do make every effort to enjoy your editing. Writing or improving articles for the betterment of the site is nice, but if you're not having any fun, what's the point. By the way, the easiest way to sign your posts is to hit the signature icon in the menu bar above the edit box, it looks like a pencil making a signature. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 15:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! I look forward to learning all I can and improving the "Gun Show" page with you. Darknipples (talk) 17:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- You're quite welcome! I see that you're learning fast and that's a good sign. I noticed that you're already using the {{U|Scalhotrod}} notification template. One other piece of advice I'd like to offer is that "patience wins". Too often Editors force an issue (about content, a source, an image, etc.) and demand an almost immediate resolution. As much as I prefer to check things off and move on, the world is just not always that simple. Events often develop further, new evidence comes to light through investigations, or in some extreme cases the situation as its known via a prevalence of sources completely changes. Example I can think of are the people wrongly convicted and put into prison who were released when DNA evidence proved them innocent. Obviously we can't afford to wait years to properly write an article, but waiting days or weeks is sometimes far more prudent as often high quality and reliable sources emerge. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 14:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! I look forward to learning all I can and improving the "Gun Show" page with you. Darknipples (talk) 17:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Here's one tip. Thick skin is useful, but it's even more useful to always, always follow the WP:CIVILITY policy (scroll down to "Avoiding incivility"). Many, many users here do not follow them - especially on controversial topics. Do not let them bait you into being uncivil. Always, always keep article talk page posts on content, not character. Lightbreather (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
FOPA
I haven't seen much in the way of activity on the talk page there. I noticed some inconsistencies and lack of references. I feel confident I could add some useful information and citations, as I have an interest in gun laws.
Loophole (Disambiguation)
A loophole is a weakness that allows a system to be circumvented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loophole_%28disambiguation%29 Darknipples (talk) 07:45, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#Shift_to_politics Darknipples (talk) 07:45, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/46hard.pdf
User name, senior editor, loophole
Hello Darknipples,
If you are interested in changing your name, please see WP:RENAME.
The senior editor badge on my user page means only that I have been active more than four years, and have more than 24,000 edits. That gives me no special powers, and my recommendations are no better than any other editor's, except to the extent that I may know the policies a bit better.
I probably won't have much more to say on the gun show issue. I rarely enjoy editing in divisive topic areas, and find this particular area polarizing. As I take a middle ground personally, I find both sides of the dispute to be inflexible.
Please be aware that gun control articles are subject to ArbCom sanctions, and I recommend that you proceed with great caution until you better understand the internal Wikipedia issues involved with editing in this area. I wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- I am not ignoring you. I read everything that you wrote. It is just that I am very busy off Wikipedia and didn't have time to write a lengthy response. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Cullen, if I misread your actions, or was acting impatiently, I apologize. DN 23:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- No apology needed, I was just clarifying. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Cullen, if I misread your actions, or was acting impatiently, I apologize. DN 23:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Hint
Hi DN,
I see you accumulating a long list of sources about the gun show loophole here on your talk page. That is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, but I don't think your talk page is the best place to do it. Instead, I suggest that you use your sandbox page or a user subpage. You can have an unlimited number of sandbox pages and user subpages, for use in developing articles, research or experimenting with wikicode.
But the primary purpose of your talk page is to engage in conversation with other editors. So, please consider my suggestion, although the choice is yours in the end. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- I wasn't sure if it was a good idea or not. I figured if someone wanted to spitball with me about the "gun show" page, they could just comment on what I've researched so far. I can't thank you enough for your advice Cullen, it really has made me feel welcome. I did have one question. I like the nickname DN, but when I add it in on the preference page, my "signature" seems to disappear, and then my comments come up as unsigned. Any thoughts? Darknipples (talk) 10:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Did you check the box that says "Treat the above as wiki markup"? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:53, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- I did. I will keep trying. In the mean time, would you mind looking in at the "gun show (loophole)" talk page and give me some pointers? Some editors are telling me that "the page is fine as it is", but are the ratings on it good for an article it's age? One said it should be deleted because of all the negative references to gun shows, but they refuse to separate it from the "loophole" aspect that is causing their contention. There are other political/legal articles with the word loophole in the title, but they say it's WP:OTHER? They also say I have a WP:POV Bias, or something to that effect. Should a 3rd party resolution be considered? Sorry for the rant, but I do appreciate you advice quite a bit. Is there someone else I should talk to? Thanks CULLEN Darknipples (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- (apparently that has been a separation and the terms are now free from each other) - Darknipples (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- I did. I will keep trying. In the mean time, would you mind looking in at the "gun show (loophole)" talk page and give me some pointers? Some editors are telling me that "the page is fine as it is", but are the ratings on it good for an article it's age? One said it should be deleted because of all the negative references to gun shows, but they refuse to separate it from the "loophole" aspect that is causing their contention. There are other political/legal articles with the word loophole in the title, but they say it's WP:OTHER? They also say I have a WP:POV Bias, or something to that effect. Should a 3rd party resolution be considered? Sorry for the rant, but I do appreciate you advice quite a bit. Is there someone else I should talk to? Thanks CULLEN Darknipples (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Did you check the box that says "Treat the above as wiki markup"? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:53, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Gun Shows in the United States
Editors of this page are encouraged to respond here. Darknipples (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Gun show loophole
I WP:SPLIT the section of the Gun shows in the United States article that had to do with the gun show loophole into it's own article: Gun show loophole. Go and make it the best article you can. I will be watching, as will Scalhotrod and Anastrophe, too, I am sure. Lightbreather (talk) 19:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm surprised and delighted. I will start working on it tonight. Need to get some (real world) work done for now. - Respectfully Darknipples (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Great. I look forward to seeing your work. Also, I just removed one indent from your reply. Modifying another editor's talk-page posts is generally frowned upon, but you need to work on those indents. (It seems you're remembering your signature most of the time now. Good!) Lightbreather (talk) 19:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Two tips on your edits today. Certain, standard WP sections, when they're used, are expected to go in a certain order, per - WP:ORDER. Also, although you can link (wikilink) to other Wiki articles - see WP:WIKILINKS - you can't use a Wiki article as a source. Lightbreather (talk) 02:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for the direction - I am more comfortable discussing changes on the talk page before making changes. Anastrophe seems to have corrected many of my mistakes. I am starting to get the hang of this. Darknipples (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Indents and outdents
Hi, DN. Couple of things. First, you're doing OK. Feel like you're learning a bit about how to use WP?
Second, I think you might want to work on your indents and outdents on the talk pages. Please review Good practices for all talk pages used for collaboration, WP:INDENT, and any links in those discussions to do with indenting and outdenting.
Also, remember to sign with four tildes (or place your cursor where you want your signature - at the end of your posts - and use the signature icon at the top of the text box). Lightbreather (talk) 16:04, 5 July 2014 (UTC)