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[1] Darkness Shines (talk) 22:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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If someone would be so kind as to copy this over to his talk.
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Ah, I see. Well I misunderstood the nature of your question then (I thought you were trying to leverage it to get yourself unblocked, my fault). No, that edit was not nearly as bad, as it was appropriate for the context (which yours certainly was not), and didn't have a negative-yet-unprovable term like "illegal" thrown in for good measure (a sovereign state cannot commit an "illegal" action by very definition of the word). Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- Which proves you know little of these matters. A state can commit illegal actions. East Timor was illegally occupied.[1] "State crimes cover ups, corruption, disinformation, unacceptability and violations of domestic and international law."[2] Of course we have the Illegal occupation of Latvia[3] And the other Baltic states.Dissolution, Continuation, and Succession in Eastern Europe p14 Namibia was illegally occupied by South Africa. Sourcebook on Public International Law p216 A sovereign state can, has and will carry out illegal actions. Extraordinary Rendition is illegal under international law. The US can be prosecuted for having done it. The Imperial Presidency and the Consequences of 9/11: Lawyers React to the Global War on Terrorism p261. How any man can think the state cannot carry out an illegal action is beyond me. And I told you not to post here again, I meant that. Darkness Shines (talk) 06:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
1) Can only second what DS wrote about illegal acts by the state. Recommend to read "General theory of law and state".
2) This sentence, added by the editor who reported DS at Magog's talk, applied to the whole time span of the Jammu and Kashmir conflict (the context does not single out the year 2010):
- "The Indian security forces have killed more Kashmiri civilians as compared to human rights abuses which occurred at the hands of rebels."
- has been described by Magog as "appropriate" to summarize this source:
- "For the first time since insurgency started in Jammu and Kashmir in the late 80s, more civilians have been killed by security forces than terrorists. ... This sudden twist in the reality of Kashmir should weigh heavily in their minds as the Prime Minister and his senior colleagues ... in 2008... out of the total of 147 civilians killed in the year only 57 died in actions by security forces. The rest of the killings, 90, were in terrorist actions. In 2009, of the total 83 civilians killed in the state, only 11 had died in actions by security forces. But the figures of 2010 till date [article date: September 2010] show how significantly the situation has turned away ..."
- Now, consider what the same source in a different article proclaims about the whole 21 year period (probably well-known to the editor):
- "TOI accessed Jammu & Kashmir government documents ... Here's what the data says. In the last 21 years, 43,460 people have been killed in the Kashmir insurgency. Of these, ... are ... 13,226 civilians killed by militants, 3,642 civilians killed by security forces ..."
- One isolated occurance of a failure to attribute an academic source by DS brought about this whole drama. But applying statistics (provided by one source) for one single year (2010) in a generalizing manner to a 21 year period whose statistics (according to the same article, and concretely elaborated on by the same source in a different article) show the exact opposite as the statistics for the isolated year 2010 is "appropriate"? JCAla (talk) 09:25, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
On sourcing with Ryan
Also a waste of time, RP says this block is against policy, yet fails to act, grow a pair |
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Ryan, this source which you presented to say the occupation is disputed also says "However, following the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947, Pakistan occupied the territories to the north and west of the cease-fire line and divided the territory into the Northern Areas (Gilgit-Baltistan) and Azad, Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) in the south" So even your own source which says it is disputed states as fact that it is an occupation. Darkness Shines (talk) 00:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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Nangparbat
[3] undoubtedly Darkness Shines (talk) 17:27, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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[4] Darkness Shines (talk) 09:40, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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[5]Not 100% sure, perhaps an admin can look at his IP. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:34, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- Seems reasonable, but I am also not much sure. Lets see if an admin can check him out. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- V, why did you report this IP[6] as a sock of Nangparbat? Different service provider to Nang & Nang would never revert TG[7] let alone call him a vandal. Darkness Shines (talk) 08:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should have used some common sense. ;) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 08:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- V, why did you report this IP[6] as a sock of Nangparbat? Different service provider to Nang & Nang would never revert TG[7] let alone call him a vandal. Darkness Shines (talk) 08:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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[8] Exact same edit as a previous sock[9] Darkness Shines (talk) 06:59, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks, Magog the Ogre (talk) 20:13, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- ^ Knight, W. Andy (2012). Frazer Egerton (ed.). Routledge Handbook of the Responsibility to Protect (1st ed.). Routledge. p. 227. ISBN 978-0415600750.
- ^ Ross, Jeffrey Ian (2012). An Introduction to Political Crime. Policy Press. p. 79. ISBN 978-1847426796.
- ^ Mole, Richard (2012). The Baltic States from the Soviet Union to the European Union: Identity, Discourse and Power in the Post-Communist Transition of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania (1st ed.). Routledge. p. 137. ISBN 978-0415394970.