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Willful disobedience of Wikipedia guidelines does not look good in a user. That means that people will not treat your opinions with as much respect, and you can pretty much kiss any chance of adminship good-bye. |
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:::::Nathan responded by claiming that Cyde issued an order for him to change the sig and then accused Cyde of violating [[WP:DICK]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nathanrdotcom/archive8]. However, I do not think this interpretation was accurate. I personally view Cyde's comment however as a statement of what he believes to be WP policy and as an attempt to dissuade Nathan from violating what Cyde sees as policy. At worst, it could be seen as mildly uncivil in tone. (Note that I am not denying that Cyde's subsequent comments were quite uncivil). My point is that Nathan does occasionally overreact to situations, which is what Cyde stated. Hopefully, Nathan will address this so future conflicts don't come up as easily. Perhaps speculating on the nature of Nathan's mood disorder shouldn't have been made publically so as to not upset Nathan; however, I think it was an honest mistake on the part of Cyde. Please note that all criticism in this post is meant merely as constructive criticism :). <b>[[User:Where|<font color="blue">Wh</font>]][[WP:EA|<font color="#0AB20D">e</font>]][[User:Where|<font color="blue">re</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Where|<font color="#0099FF">(talk)</font>]]</sup></b> 23:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC) |
:::::Nathan responded by claiming that Cyde issued an order for him to change the sig and then accused Cyde of violating [[WP:DICK]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nathanrdotcom/archive8]. However, I do not think this interpretation was accurate. I personally view Cyde's comment however as a statement of what he believes to be WP policy and as an attempt to dissuade Nathan from violating what Cyde sees as policy. At worst, it could be seen as mildly uncivil in tone. (Note that I am not denying that Cyde's subsequent comments were quite uncivil). My point is that Nathan does occasionally overreact to situations, which is what Cyde stated. Hopefully, Nathan will address this so future conflicts don't come up as easily. Perhaps speculating on the nature of Nathan's mood disorder shouldn't have been made publically so as to not upset Nathan; however, I think it was an honest mistake on the part of Cyde. Please note that all criticism in this post is meant merely as constructive criticism :). <b>[[User:Where|<font color="blue">Wh</font>]][[WP:EA|<font color="#0AB20D">e</font>]][[User:Where|<font color="blue">re</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Where|<font color="#0099FF">(talk)</font>]]</sup></b> 23:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::Cyde, please ''do'' review [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nathanrdotcom&diff=56906977&oldid=56895345 this addition to my userpage]. I view speculative comments on my mood disorder (such as yours) as rude and incivil whether they were meant as such or not. If you have any questions about my mood disorder and how it affects me, please ''do'' ask me (I would rather you ask than see you jump to conclusions which may or may not be valid), as it's me we're talking about. Please ask questions or refrain from making such comments, which are not helpful and can be viewed as disruptive. Cheers. — [[User:nathanrdotcom|<font color="navy">'''Natha'''</font>]][[User:ILovePlankton/My loyalties to my friends|<font color="#336666">'''n'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:nathanrdotcom|talk]])</sup> 23:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC) |
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New talk page, new sig
I just archived my previous talk page, so ... it's time for a new sig! --This user is Cyde↔Weys. 14:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Or how about this sig? ↔ 18:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Does it have to be so freakin' pink? It hurts my eyes! And if a part of it could link to your talk, it'd be a lot better. Misza13 T C 21:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Dude, pink is dank. Don't be dissin' it.-- The ikiroid 21:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Pink is the new black.--Anchoress 03:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
travb indefinite block
Hi Cyde, did you get my email yesterday? --Duk 15:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Pegasus1338's rfa
“ | I could only support if this user were to be honest about his identity to the community | ” |
I already voted oppose, but this got me curious. Could you elaborate? Kotepho 16:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
He wishes to keep his identity secret, so I will respect that wish ... but I personally have very strong suspicions about who he was prior to this Pegasus account. --Cyde↔Weys 16:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- That is ok. I was just wondering what you meant (e.g. I (know/think/am pretty sure) he is (a former vandal/a troublemaker/a banned user/Jimmy Carter). ). I felt bad opposing as he seems to be trying to do his best. Kotepho 16:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Category: XX of Oz
Thanks for looking at that - am currently too much of a newbie to work out for myself what is a good or a bad addition to Wikipedia! Inner Earth 17:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Bring back a page temporarily.
Cyde, I need some info from the Super Smash Brothers League page you deleted. Undelete it and let me get the info...If your scared to do so, talk to me...if not, do it, let me get the info and i'll let you do what you wish with the page (basically, deleting it) - NEPats17
Wiki source sent via email. --Cyde↔Weys 00:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I didn't receive any email dude. Send it again to [[[mark_pare200@hotmail.com]]]. - NEPats17
Your indefinite block of this user is unwarranted. Rex071404 himself clearly is not a sockpuppet. 216.22.26.46 20:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
... says the anonymous sockpuppet. LOL. --Cyde↔Weys 00:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:JimboWales.png listed for deletion
- Just a little question... How did you make a "print screen" of the whole web page without having to scroll down? --GeorgeMoney T·C 23:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- I use a 40" LCD computer screen with a resolution of 4800x2700 pixels, so it all just fit on one screen. --Cyde↔Weys 23:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh ok, I have a screen with 73,553x800,475 pixels . So you have to do it the hard way, eat bannanas . Well, at least bannanas are soft --GeorgeMoney T·C 00:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I use a 40" LCD computer screen with a resolution of 4800x2700 pixels, so it all just fit on one screen. --Cyde↔Weys 23:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello, this text in it`s largest part is copied from http://www.gotbot.se/engelska/english_start.html, without permission.
- Then slap a {{ copyvio|url=http://www.gotbot.se/engelska/english_start.html }} on it. --GeorgeMoney T·C 01:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- {{Copyvio}} should not be subst'ed. Kusma (討論) 14:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it messes up the template if you don't subst it, because I always see ~~~~ in the middle of it. --GeorgeMoney T·C 20:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- It's supposed to have ~~~~ in it, to cut and paste into WP:CP. See WP:SUBST#Templates that should NOT be subst'd. Kusma (討論) 20:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I understand now. --GeorgeMoney T·C 20:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- It's supposed to have ~~~~ in it, to cut and paste into WP:CP. See WP:SUBST#Templates that should NOT be subst'd. Kusma (討論) 20:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it messes up the template if you don't subst it, because I always see ~~~~ in the middle of it. --GeorgeMoney T·C 20:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- {{Copyvio}} should not be subst'ed. Kusma (討論) 14:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
New sig suggestion
Cyde, may I suggest that you take inspiration from this sig? :-) --Ssbohio 03:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Re:Civility
I notice that you haven't reprimanded Tony Sidaway on the Personal Attacks and incivility on his Rfc.[1] Is there a reason for this double standard? ---Day 11:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
First of all, "It's okay if I do bad because someone else is doing it and getting away with it" is a terrible, terrible argument. And secondly, my primary method of communication with Tony is not on-wiki. So you don't see most of the things I say to him, let alone any civility warnings. --Cyde↔Weys 14:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Cydebot and template categories
Cydebot has made a series of recent changes to templates due to a CFD. However, while updateing the templates it is also moving the categories to the bottom of the page, which is correct for articles however in templates this is taking the categories outside of the noinclude tags which is undesireable with template specific categories as all pages including that template will then be including in the category also. e.g. [2]. Shiroi Hane 18:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Gahhh I thought I had already addressed this issue ... guess not :-( Looks like I'll be committing another update to pyWikipediaBot soon. Thanks for catching this. --Cyde↔Weys 18:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Another possible bug I noticed happened here. The bot deleted a comment out piece of maintenance code in the interwiki section. I'd copied that there to make interwiki copying and pasting faster. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, sorry, it didn't delete it, just moved it elsewhere. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Stricly speaking, the commented code is the only bit that didn't move ;) Shiroi Hane 23:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
My RfA
Most recent edits by User:Cyde
- Moved from WP:ANI. Please always take concerns about user behavior to their talk pages in the first instance unless there is an urgent problem.
In his continuing pattern of admin abuse, Cyde has modified the templates Template:Ref and Template:Note to claim that those templates are deprecated, despite the lack of consensus, or even majority support, for such a position. This vandalism continues Cyde's efforts to unilaterally impose the use of the tool he wrote, RefConverter, even where it directly contraverts article consensus. If ever an admin desperately needed desysop'ing, this is the one. LotLE×talk 21:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- The templates are deprecated, though. RefConverter is the easiest way to convert articles to the new Cite.php. It's hardly vandalism. Will (E@) T 21:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- No! They are not deprecated. It's only been the essentially unilateral actions by Cyde that have attempted to create that false impression. The actuall guideline, Wikipedia:Footnotes says:
- Footnotes are an excellent way to cite sources, but they are not the only way; some articles use inline links instead, or Harvard referencing. Also, Cite.php footnotes are not the only way to make footnotes. Many articles use templates to create footnotes. For more information, see Wikipedia:Citing sources, which is the main style guide on citations.
- It doesn't show up in the articles, though. He put it in a <noinclude> tag. It isn't vandalism, and so I'ved edited the section title accordingly. -Splash - tk 21:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Also, while Cyde's actions may have sparked controversy in the past, going around blatantly saying he is abusing his powers is not going to get matters anywhere. Your issues are much more likely to be taken seriously, no offense, if you calmly state what's wrong and give evidence through diffs and specific examples. Saying that he desperately needs desysopping can easily be interpreted as a personal attack or trolling, so you may want to be careful of your wording as well. Thanks. Cowman109Talk 21:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- GASP! Shocking abuse! Who does this SOB think he is, writing tools and leaving informative instructions on templates! Bailiff, whack his peepee! KWH 21:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- MOST RECENT EDITS are more than a month old? Aren't we being a little misleading here? -- Drini 22:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how edits from ONE AND A HALF MONTHS AGO qualify as an "incident" on the administrator's noticeboard. And I hardly see how they are "vandalism". I think Lulu's account has been hijacked. --Cyde↔Weys 22:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm also opposed to this deprecation. - FrancisTyers 22:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oops, I did make an error when I looked at the edit history. These bad edits by Cyde were indeed from a while back; I only noticed them when another editor pointed it out at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes. But given there age, probably an "incident" isn't the right category of report. Nonetheless, they are bad, and the are an abuse of admin powers. LotLE×talk 23:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Why bad? Just because you say so? And ever present the cries of "admin abuse" ? How is editing a page on wikipedia abuse. Have you heard of WP:OWN ? -- Drini 23:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, yes, nevermind the trivial details, like that Cyde was right... FeloniousMonk 00:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
RepRap project
Hey!
The Wikipedia entry for the RepRap project, which I have been looking after and keeping up to date for the past few months, was apparently visited by your Cydebot. It left a message in the entry's history page dated 22 May saying...
(Robot - moving categories per WP:CFD at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 11.)
Could you tell me what this means? It looks rather threatening. :-(
Plaasjaapie
This is a busy talk page isn't it?
Y'ello. Just thought I'd say hello and wish you a good day. I can imagine all this controversy that seems to be latching on to you with a fishing poll must be a tad stressful, so I thought I'd give you a cookie . Don't let it bother you, and take a bite and relax. Happy editing! Cowman109Talk (yes, the smile guy) 01:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Deletion
Hi, I believe you have deleted Category:Wikipedia:Suspected sockpuppets of Shivraj Singh / DPSingh. Your edit summary indicates that you have moved it to some other location. I am unable to find that location -- can you send me a link? Thanx in advance, ImpuMozhi 04:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
It was moved here. --Cyde↔Weys 16:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
My RfA
Thank you for the trust that you had in me when you supported my Request for Adminship. The nomination ended successfully and I am actually overwhelmed by the support that I received. Thanks again! -- Kim van der Linde at venus 06:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Question
Why is it that you can be really nice to other people, phrasing your "request" in the form of a question, being very polite, telling them to have a nice day, etc but when it comes right down to me, you're rude, "blunt", and demanding?
I'm wondering if you have the capacity to be consistent - nice to everyone or rude to everyone. Why do I deserve your wrath and not him, for example?
Don't worry, Cyde, I don't expect you to answer this. — Nathan (talk) 12:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm going to guess that you learned from your experience dealing with Nathan, and as a result, now try to make extra sure that your reqeusts sound polite. Is that right? Where (talk) 16:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, I didn't change my actions any after dealing with Nathan. I just think Nathan has an altered perception of things which are focused on trying to get him to change his ways; he seems to find them more demeaning and derogatory than they actually are (if they are demeaning and derogatory at all). Nathan self-identifies as having some kind of mood disorder, and this modified response to suggestions seemingly impinging on one's self is a pretty typical symptom of some mood disorders. --Cyde↔Weys 16:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Cyde, with all due respect, you deserve a slap in the face. And I'll accept a warning for being incivil. You have insulted me, my "perceptions" and my mood disorder..what do you know of mood disorders? You're a philosophy student. Is there some connection between psychology and philosophy that I don't know? Please, do enlighten me. Now, since you don't know me, I'm going to spare the details. All through life, I knew there was something wrong with me. Psychological problems run in my family. My father committed suicide (no I don't want your pretend pity). So yes, I do have a mood disorder unless you are questioning my psychiatrist's qualifications, and questioning what I know. Exactly who the hell are you to come and tell others what I do and do not have, what my perceptions are and otherwise. You are not a trained psychiatrist/psychologist, and if you are, I would love to see your qualifications. You have absolutely no sensitivity to people with mental disorders. It is not an altered perception. It is what it is. I don't have to tell you my family history, so I will refrain from doing so. For your information, oh great philosophy student: A mood disorder has absolutely nothing to do with perception. It does has to do with the frequency and intensity of the person's mood.
- No, I didn't change my actions any after dealing with Nathan. I just think Nathan has an altered perception of things which are focused on trying to get him to change his ways; he seems to find them more demeaning and derogatory than they actually are (if they are demeaning and derogatory at all). Nathan self-identifies as having some kind of mood disorder, and this modified response to suggestions seemingly impinging on one's self is a pretty typical symptom of some mood disorders. --Cyde↔Weys 16:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Now about a mood disorder: I can't speak for anyone else with one, but if a situation came up that has someone say "x" and there are two ways to take it a) offensive b) AGF, I'm most likely to choose A because of my experiece of being attacked in the past. So yes, it does have something to do with my perceptions if you mean it in that context. Even in relationships, there's no way to tell how someone with a mood disorder may respond to communication, I know this from experience. If your comment wasn't an attack, please do let me know because it sure as hell sounds like one from where I sit.
- It is not fair to judge anyone. Be a better person and stop this.
- Now, as to the matter of the actual request itself, I believe you said, "Your signature is beyond the bounds of what is acceptable. Three images is beyond the bounds of what is acceptable. Please change it." You know as well as I do that "request" was a "DO IT NOW + please". It was an order, not a request and I don't take kindly to orders. You have been as nice as pie to others and actually explained why their signatures needed changing. You did not do so with me. "It's not acceptable" Why isn't it acceptable? Prove to me it's not acceptable. You didn't do this.
- Block me for incivility for what I just said. I don't care. It needed to be said. — Nathan (talk) 20:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- The way I read it, it was not incivil. --GeorgeMoney T·C 01:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I may have to respectfully disagree with Nathan on this point. This is the comment that Cyde made on Nathan's userpage that triggered everything:
Willful disobedience of Wikipedia guidelines does not look good in a user. That means that people will not treat your opinions with as much respect, and you can pretty much kiss any chance of adminship good-bye.
- Nathan responded by claiming that Cyde issued an order for him to change the sig and then accused Cyde of violating WP:DICK [3]. However, I do not think this interpretation was accurate. I personally view Cyde's comment however as a statement of what he believes to be WP policy and as an attempt to dissuade Nathan from violating what Cyde sees as policy. At worst, it could be seen as mildly uncivil in tone. (Note that I am not denying that Cyde's subsequent comments were quite uncivil). My point is that Nathan does occasionally overreact to situations, which is what Cyde stated. Hopefully, Nathan will address this so future conflicts don't come up as easily. Perhaps speculating on the nature of Nathan's mood disorder shouldn't have been made publically so as to not upset Nathan; however, I think it was an honest mistake on the part of Cyde. Please note that all criticism in this post is meant merely as constructive criticism :). Where (talk) 23:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Cyde, please do review this addition to my userpage. I view speculative comments on my mood disorder (such as yours) as rude and incivil whether they were meant as such or not. If you have any questions about my mood disorder and how it affects me, please do ask me (I would rather you ask than see you jump to conclusions which may or may not be valid), as it's me we're talking about. Please ask questions or refrain from making such comments, which are not helpful and can be viewed as disruptive. Cheers. — Nathan (talk) 23:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Job for your bot- subst on spam series of templates
{{spam2}}, {{spam3}} and {{spam4}} are incorrectly named (they should be spam3,4,5 respectively). There has been talk for a long time about re-naming these, but first the existing ones need to be subst to prevent messages on talk pages changing. Could your bot do this? Cheers, Petros471 19:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm substituting them now. --Cyde↔Weys 16:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Chuck Norris Userbox
Dear Cyde, I noticed that after nominating the Chuck Norris Userbox for deletion (which failed) you seemed to have a change of heart and included a funny "fact" in the userbox. I think this showed good faith on your part and I apologize for every nasty thing I've ever said about you. Love, --FairNBalanced 07:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)