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Hi Carol. The reason I don't want to roll up my sleeves and start editing the article is two-fold. First, I'm not that interested in Atzmon. Second and more importantly, I don't want Drsmoo and you jumping in and edit-warring over whatever changes are made to the article. The two of you have done it in the past and there's no reason to believe both of you won't do it again. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] <sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 01:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC) |
Hi Carol. The reason I don't want to roll up my sleeves and start editing the article is two-fold. First, I'm not that interested in Atzmon. Second and more importantly, I don't want Drsmoo and you jumping in and edit-warring over whatever changes are made to the article. The two of you have done it in the past and there's no reason to believe both of you won't do it again. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] <sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 01:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:[[User_talk:Rd232#Gilad_Atzmon|Re: This discussion]]: Or maybe you didn't like the solution the two of us DID come up with last time? [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gilad_Atzmon/Subpage Talk page]] of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gilad_Atzmon/Politics_draft post-protection discussion]? Note that it was not a perfect version and I noticed at least one point you made in the spring I didn't get til this fall - and Drsmoo never got no matter how many times I repeated it. |
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:Obviously Drsmoo and I, left to our own devises, creates a problem. However, my new strategy is to not be involved at all and let others deal with Drsmoo - if such others will do so - because he is FAR more problematic than me. |
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:However, if such people don't appear, I still think Drsmoo can't be allowed to rule the article through his habit of inferring antisemitism, constant edit warring and refusal to understand clear points no matter how many times they are made. That's more of problem than my merely being ''too stupid'' to figure out how to deal with him sooner. And having little help in doing so except for a mediator who took two weeks to stop his constant attacks on me and then refused to opine and didn't get the issues anyway. Remember how frustrated you told Rd232 you were with failure of the ANI? Such failures of wiki process are becoming very common! |
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:My crime ''in some people's eyes'' might be their feeling I think Atzmon is NOT a raving antisemite but rather a really pissed off former Israeli and IDF member who wants to trounce all over these he's mad at in an obnoxiously theatrical manner. Some partisans think such thinking is as - or more - dangerous than real antisemitism, of course. |
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:You have admitted your own biases against him. |
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:Frankly calling for my banning from wikipedia for problems in one difficult article where you have your own biases does call into question your Admin NPOV. Also, note that I read somewhere Admins can't threaten people with blocks - as you did recently to Drsmoo, though I did report it in my complaints - in articles they are currently editing. I don't know about ones they are NOT currently editing because editor(s) are so difficult. :-) |
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:Anyway, all of the above is in argument for others to get involved with article and I'll be quite willing to step back if they do - except maybe putting new WP:RS notable info on talk page - . [[User:Carolmooredc|CarolMooreDC]] ([[User talk:Carolmooredc#top|talk]]) 17:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello Carol. I just got back from vacation. I'll see if I can help with the article during the coming week or two. You and Drsmoo might want to consider an WP:RfC. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- My response here. CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please don't continue your debate with Drsmoo on my Talk page. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- No problema! ;-) CarolMooreDC (talk) 23:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering if you were still thinking of cleaning this up. Dougweller (talk) 19:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- One gets distracted by other articles. ;-( Had actually done some research and come up with refs for some of the more mundane, accurate info before that. Maybe I'll take a look. Thanks for remembering. CarolMooreDC (talk) 23:12, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 06:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Gilad Atzmon / AN/I
Hi Carol. The reason I don't want to roll up my sleeves and start editing the article is two-fold. First, I'm not that interested in Atzmon. Second and more importantly, I don't want Drsmoo and you jumping in and edit-warring over whatever changes are made to the article. The two of you have done it in the past and there's no reason to believe both of you won't do it again. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Re: This discussion: Or maybe you didn't like the solution the two of us DID come up with last time? [Talk page] of post-protection discussion? Note that it was not a perfect version and I noticed at least one point you made in the spring I didn't get til this fall - and Drsmoo never got no matter how many times I repeated it.
- Obviously Drsmoo and I, left to our own devises, creates a problem. However, my new strategy is to not be involved at all and let others deal with Drsmoo - if such others will do so - because he is FAR more problematic than me.
- However, if such people don't appear, I still think Drsmoo can't be allowed to rule the article through his habit of inferring antisemitism, constant edit warring and refusal to understand clear points no matter how many times they are made. That's more of problem than my merely being too stupid to figure out how to deal with him sooner. And having little help in doing so except for a mediator who took two weeks to stop his constant attacks on me and then refused to opine and didn't get the issues anyway. Remember how frustrated you told Rd232 you were with failure of the ANI? Such failures of wiki process are becoming very common!
- My crime in some people's eyes might be their feeling I think Atzmon is NOT a raving antisemite but rather a really pissed off former Israeli and IDF member who wants to trounce all over these he's mad at in an obnoxiously theatrical manner. Some partisans think such thinking is as - or more - dangerous than real antisemitism, of course.
- You have admitted your own biases against him.
- Frankly calling for my banning from wikipedia for problems in one difficult article where you have your own biases does call into question your Admin NPOV. Also, note that I read somewhere Admins can't threaten people with blocks - as you did recently to Drsmoo, though I did report it in my complaints - in articles they are currently editing. I don't know about ones they are NOT currently editing because editor(s) are so difficult. :-)
- Anyway, all of the above is in argument for others to get involved with article and I'll be quite willing to step back if they do - except maybe putting new WP:RS notable info on talk page - . CarolMooreDC (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)