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Avoiding the issue, having to come back and draw lines on through your own comments on my page, and name calling just make you look twice the fool. Why do I bother with someone whose own touted study contradicted themselves??? So far all you have you done is throw names around, that's it. Seriously pathetic. I think you should let this one go, because you clearly are out of your weight class on this one. [[User:JohnHistory|JohnHistory]] ([[User talk:JohnHistory|talk]]) 03:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory |
Avoiding the issue, having to come back and draw lines on through your own comments on my page, and name calling just make you look twice the fool. Why do I bother with someone whose own touted study contradicted themselves??? So far all you have you done is throw names around, that's it. Seriously pathetic. I think you should let this one go, because you clearly are out of your weight class on this one. [[User:JohnHistory|JohnHistory]] ([[User talk:JohnHistory|talk]]) 03:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory |
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And, if you do decide to continue this (your comments are so convoluted) please answer my first question to you which is would you have signed the 9/11 petition Jones did, or not? Through all of this dialogue you have still failed to answer that. You are the one who brought it up in the first place. It would seem that despite Jones doing nothing wrong, and those just being valid questions in your opinion, your spine has gone missing? |
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Again, you keep mentioning Obama being black and "get over it", etc. Then when I raised this reference with you, you make a totally incoherent argument about it. I'm starting to wonder about your mental cohesiveness. [[User:JohnHistory|JohnHistory]] ([[User talk:JohnHistory|talk]]) 03:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory |
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- It's clean-up duty, mopping up after the dishonest, incompetent, and fanatical. Can't imagine why you'd have a problem with that.
Some ground rules before you leave a message
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NAFOURA Magazine
I would debate your message regarding whether NAFOURA Magazine on WIKI is being used as a form of advertising for the benefit of a company. NAFOURA Magazine is an important resource for many belly dancers worldwide. Deleting this page from WIKI ultimately is stopping belly dancers from being aware of its existence and the amount of positive useful knowledge that the magazine adds to the belly dancing art worldwide. Please be aware that there aren't any other magazines that focus on belly dancing and in context to the world market. Deleting this page from WIKI is a big shame, especially for all belly dancers and for the belly dancing art, which lacks enough credible publications that promote it. Please reconsider your decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nafoura (talk • contribs) 14:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Not spamming
NAFOURA Magazine isn't a profit making business thank you very much. No one takes earnings for the amount of hard work that goes into it. The magazine is genuinely dedicated to furthering knowledge and awareness of belly dance. Your response is typical of someone who clearly has no idea about Belly Dancing. I will keep this remark and publish it in the next issue of our magazine. Let's see what our readers think of your inaccurate comment and whether in fact the page is spamming.
What do you call this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogue_(magazine) Spammming??
- Ahem, it was me that deleted it. I would love an honourable mention in your magazine – big B, small h. Thanks. – B.hotep •talk• 14:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
CSD
I noticed you tagged quite a few {{db-spam}} user and user talk pages, and many of them were quite old. I believe I deleted most of them. How were you able to find them so quickly? Thanks for the hard work! Plastikspork (talk) 05:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Help? What did I do wrong? I must admit I find Wikipedia very confusing (clearly as I don't even understand how to sign correctly) but, as a new user, I'm only trying to create good content about useful and positive topics. Obviously my style isn't right but please help me correct it? At the moment I'm feeling rather attacked which I'm sure wasn't your intention?
Thanks—Preceding unsigned comment added by Herculous (talk • contribs) 00:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
WooMe, speedy deletion
You commented on my talk page suggesting that it be speedily deleted. I had information on there requesting feedback, which I incorporated before posting my article. I would like to contest that as well as contest my talk page being deleted. I used the advice given to me on the WooMe article when writing the Mingle2 article, which was not deleted. http://wikipedia.org/wiki/mingle2 . The pages I created are not blatent advertising. I did use a twitter post as a reference, which is not a reliable source I understand. There are many sources on the article that I wrote, especially since WooMe is listed as the top 10 most popular dating sites according to TechCrunch which is a very reliable source for the industry. Appreciate your feedback as I'm interested in keeping my wiki account in good standing, thanks! Vlectronica (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
As always, thanks for your hard work. One request: add the {{notenglish|[language]}} tag when the G11 page is not in English, so that everyone is looking at the same thing. I can muddle through German, French and Spanish (at least, enough to make a G11 call, usually), but Dutch leaves me clueless. (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 15:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Linking to a Tweet
Hey, saw your post on ANI about how to link to a specific Tweet. Here's what I found on a google search:
First, make sure you’re logged in and on the “Home” page of Twitter. On the right, click on “updates”. Locate the tweet you’d like to link to, and find where it shows how long ago the tweet was tweeted (ex: “about 2 hours ago”). Click that and you should be taken to a page that displays only that specific tweet. Copy the url in the address bar, and paste it where ever you want to link directly to that tweet.
Hope that helps! — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 13:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Thank you for taking the time to read my article. I am just learning to navigate my way through Wikipedia. My intention was to post the article under the Charity/finance/fundraising section like the other charity fundraisers. I thought I might be able to do that through the personal page. Would you happen to know how I can post my article in that section? Do you have any other advice for me so I don't get flagged like this in the future? Thank you for your help--WalktoendMS (talk) 16:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Brandishing the Speedy Delete on my user page
That just sucks. Sorry, someone had to say it. Obviously I hadn't edited the page in some time, and yes, it was about my company. But I'm trying to follow the guidelines to the best of my ability. Once I had completed the article (and I was a long way off - I tend to be a heavy editor/rewriter) I was going to submit the article to an editor and ask for neutral feedback on the piece. I had no intention of publishing the content as-was.
If you could assist me in creating a neutral article regarding my company (because we're noteworthy IMO) then I welcome your sharpest editorial red pen, so to speak. First, however, I'll need my goddamn user page content replaced.
Very truly yours, Motobasura (talk) 22:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ahem. Calton didn't delete your user page, Dank did. So, why don't you go over to them and ask them. – B.hotep •talk• 22:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I read the needlessly flippant instructions - this was the only starting point I could find. How did you uncover who deleted my user page? I found nothing in the history. (You know, for the next time I have something deleted...) Motobasura (talk) 22:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- At the top of the history there is a link which says "view the logs for this page" that will tell you. ViridaeTalk 22:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Lovely, thanks for the assistance. Motobasura (talk) 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- At the top of the history there is a link which says "view the logs for this page" that will tell you. ViridaeTalk 22:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I read the needlessly flippant instructions - this was the only starting point I could find. How did you uncover who deleted my user page? I found nothing in the history. (You know, for the next time I have something deleted...) Motobasura (talk) 22:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Speedy Delete on My Page
Hey. My post is somewhat similar to the previous one. I am not going to publish my article as it is. It is about my company but will modify it before actually posting it. Will also be asking for formal feedback once i am done. Instead of putting the speedy deletion tag, what will be be helpful is if you can give tips on how to improve it, and not make it sound like blatant advertising!
Cheers, Shruti
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrutikedia (talk • contribs) 07:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
User:Plusein, Re: Ctreatures of the Wind speedy deletion
Hi, thanks for watching over Wikipedia. I researched other wiki pages about similar fashion entities, and based my entry on those and my own thoughts on an acceptable entry. I have read the related wikipedia guidelines and edited the article in what I think is a reasonable way, and said they same on the page's talk page. Thanks! Plusein (talk) 07:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
In this instance, on a second look, I realized you're absolutely correct and this is a blatant candidate for deletion, and I added a delete comment accordingly.
Since I've only recently started getting involved in AfD's for law, I'm wondering if you could gather together some hyperlinks that would inform me of the AfD principles and put them on my talk page. I would appreciate that.
Agradman talk/contribs 14:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Calton, please don't make this difficult -- I'm attempting to extend an olive branch here and demonstrate to you that I'm not an adversary. I made this comment here since you were unhappy with my contributions to the AfD; I think you are right in requesting deletion, and I sought to revise my comments there to reflect this; if you think I've interfered with your purpose there I'm willing to make further changes to make this clear. In requesting information on the AfD procedures, I'm trying to indicate that I'm ignorant and willing to learn. There's no reason to turn this into a fight. Agradman talk/contribs 15:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- All right, that's a fair critique of Limited global quota for upland cotton. I've made several changes to the page, including:
- created a page for the redlink, Food and Agriculture Act of 1977
- added content from the federal government webpage on the program, and included the hyperlink
- included a hyperlink to the previously-existing text on Wikisource, consisting of President Carter's proclamation creating the program.
- Of course, you're welcome to put an AfD on the article at any time, but I hope this answers your concerns.
- On a related note, are you suggesting that a prerequisite for creating Wikipedia articles is a knowledge of each of the AfD criteria? In addition to requesting info on the AfD criteria, I now need to ask for a citation to that claim. Thanks. Agradman talk/contribs 15:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
other questionable pages on your watchlist?
You probably noticed that I created a lot of agricultural pages from the same source recently. Some of these easily satisfy notability and are stub class -- but a large number appear either non-notable, or else are too brief to qualify as stubs, or both.
I'm embarrassed to have created this situation, since you're not the only person who's questioned the content. This situation arose because I have been incorporating content from a government-written glossary on U.S. agricultural policy (it was written as a primer for U.S. Congressional staffers who supervise agricultural legislation), and some of the entries in that volume were very brief.
My motive is that, when this project is complete, I will write a letter to the Congressional Research Service informing them that I've incorporated their public-domain work into Wikipedia. I'm a member of the movement to lobby that organization to change its distribution policies (since they have 700 government employees writing public-domain encyclopedic reports which, however, are only rarely released to the public). My hope is to inspire a change at the agency, once they recognize that they can do their mission better by distributing their content publicly.
All of this is preface. I'm writing this note to request that you inform me of any other articles I've created that you think are questionable. I would be more than happy to improve them, and if I cannot, I would not protest an AfD. However, it will be easier for me to improve AfD candidates now rather than several months from now when the school semester has begun, so that's why I'm writing now rather than waiting for you to nominate them.
Thanks. Agradman talk/contribs 16:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, a super-efficient way to do this: convert the CRS document from a PDF into an MSWord.doc (it's here [1]). Using the "highlight" tool, highlight any entries that you think would fail an AfD on Wikipedia. This would take possibly a half hour. Let me know when you've done this, and I'll send you my private email address to which you can send the MSWord.doc attachment. I'll go back and improve that all the entries you highlighted satisfy "notability" (though it could take a while). Then I will show you the changes, and also inform you which ones were impossible to improve, and then you can nominate the ones you don't like for AfD. Agradman talk/contribs 16:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
See particularly this. - Dank (push to talk) 20:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Also, I want to add a footnote to my message at WP:UAA, "If promotional edits continue, please warn first, then report to WP:WPSPAM". I need to give the standard answer since it's UAA and people are looking for standard answers there ... but of course there's no rule that you have to watch for and report spam. - Dank (push to talk) 03:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Have you considered adminship so that you can clear them out yourself? --Stephen 02:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just letting you and other editors who do a lot of listings at UAA know that the username policy has underwent some changes as of yesterday. You may wish to look it over at your convenience. Cheers, Nja247 09:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
In regard to this edit, I tend to think that if someone is using their user talk page for advertising, speedy deletion of the page is not the best way to deal with it, because any warnings to the editor (such as warning them not to use the page for advertising) will get deleted as well. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Replied at Met's talk page. - Dank (push to talk) 16:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. Btw Calton ... as you can see, I never did escape from G11 work, I'm still on the job. Maybe I'll get a vacation some day ... - Dank (push to talk) 16:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Attacks on living persons
I removed your attack per WP:BLP. Please do not restore it; thank you. --NE2 05:40, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Hullaballoo Wolfowitz
I have been looking through the archives of user Hullaballoo Wolfowitz and noticed that he has harassed you in the past. I have noticed he has a history of editing harassing other users as well. This editor attacked me in an AfD for "axe grinding" and then started reverting unrelated edits of mine calling me a "disruptive IP anon" etc. I admit I was a bit short when the AfD was new because the living person that was its subject started canvasing before I had added the article to the AfD log. However, he refuses to discuss anything with me on his talk page which makes me think this isn't a fluke. I don't know what to do in a situation like this so I have opened a Wikiquette alert about this subject and seek your advice. 74.237.158.41 (talk) 06:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Additional information needed on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Urllee52
Hello. Thank you for filing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Urllee52. This is an automated notice to inform you that the case is currently missing a code letter, which indicates to checkusers why a check is valid. Please revisit the page and add this. Sincerely, SPCUClerkbot (talk) 13:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Username reports
Hey, I saw your reports at improper usernames and wondered if you were using an automated script to do the reporting? Thanks. Netalarm 16:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
- And I'm wondering if it is one person behind the recent ones today. Dougweller (talk) 13:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
"Watchlists" of that sort aren't exactly encouraged. Keeping tabs on pages is fine, but that's what we have Special:Watchlist for. Keeping tabs on people is a different story; people, unlike pages, can get quite offended by somebody tracking their every move. If you'd like, I can restore the page, but you'd have to consent to removing all information about editors and anything that could stir drama. Thanks, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 04:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't quite call it paranoia. There are a lot of people who would call this 'stalking'. In a form, it is. I appreciate your good intentions, but, unfortunately, in this scenario they don't outweigh the potential consequences. Bring pages you think are troublesome to attention at WP:MFD if you feel it is prudent, just don't stalk anyone. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 05:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Use common sense here. Bring up the issue with the users in question, or approach an admin about the topic. Don't file it away and season it with snide comments. Again, you've got to use common sense here; you don't have the right to track people just because you see them as a detriment. I need not wave policy around, nor do I need to IAR. A good way to deal with this, if you wanted to deal with it appropriately, would be to talk to the users, warn them with kind words (not templates), and walk them through what Wikipedia is and isn't. If the accounts are dead, put the pages up for MfD. Do it all in a neutral sort of way and you should be okay. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 06:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Anywho, I'm going to bed, then I work in the morning, so I apologize for my absence in that time. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 06:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Calton,
Please can you tell me which is the supposed spam link in my article on Experiential Travel?
Experiential travel is a new and booming sector in the travel industry and I feel a wikipedia article on this sector is highly relevant and necessary.
Please find below some news reports and articles on Experiential Travel that may help prove it's relevance for wikipedia:
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If you could explain where you feel my proposed entry is a breach of wikipedia's regulation then I will make it my priority to adjust the article accordingly so that wikipedia has a suitable article for Experiential Travel.
Many Thanks,
Sarah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah Falconer (talk • contribs) 10:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Re:User talk:Garyeric3
Ok Thankyou --Notedgrant (talk) 14:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Agreed that this represents a sock farm. In fact, as you know, we've had a lot more SPA user talk pages recently that use Search engine optimization, and I'm going to propose broader use of {{uw-soablock}} at WT:U to adjust to the influx. (watching) - Dank (push to talk) 15:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- Someone else (other than the blocked user) could in theory come back and revert the page to its original state. I did a similar one to this today and deleted the page to be safe. – B.hotep •talk• 15:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I am associated as a regular member of an organization called Globcal, there were attacks against the organization and spam emitted using this name. You were involved with the removal of something having to do with Globcal, GREAT WORK, I applaud your watching, they were the competition and they have committed crimes including hazing, slander, defamation, libel, fraud, and dilution against individuals and the organization.
It would be very helpful if we could still find the IP addresses of the people who were spamming using Globcal when you encountered them and find out if they are from Denmark, Romania, or Venezuela, contact me directly at ingeniosa@gmail.com (different from my user name-click) If you cannot help me personally please make a referral.
I will now be writing about the Globcal Cooperative article called Globcal International. If you know of anything you can do to help us protect the integrity of "Globcal" please help, I don't know if your block or deletion request resulted in anything negative for Globcal International.
Ingenosa (talk) 11:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much, as a regular member there are no conflicts of interest in my writing, as a matter of fact I joined yesterday just to know all there is to know about the group my only interest is the (scandal) you called petty-bickering, I am doing the article because D. Jeffrey Wright founded it and he is a neighbor and I am concerned that a good humanitarian project is being harmed. It would be like saying that a citizen of the US cannot write the article about the USA because he/she would have a tendency to be subjective. I was only concerned with the blocks or deletions affecting the article I am writing. All searches seem to come up null currently, in any case thank you very much for your time. Ingenosa (talk) 13:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I am so sorry I contacted you, I came to Wikipedia to write and follow-up my articles as part of a course, in case your insensitivity clouds your eyes I was a female psychology student I wrote the article about Col. Wright because I met him here (maybe my referral to him as a neighbor annoyed you but I consider anyone in the same city to be my neighbor) and the importance of his work here here in Caracas as an outsider or expatriate is considerable. I reviewed and found 230 articles about him written in major newspapers in the US using Lexus and Google News Archive. Simply the fact that he served as an Ambassador for our city government being an American is notable enough outside of him distributing 10 million trees to people. Since he only gave me one interview and I do not have contact with him directly I believe there is no COI,
I thought appreciating your good work and asking you for some advice may have resulted in me becoming a better editor, thanks for pointing out the rules clearly. I am not here to bicker and it is very clear that illegitimate wiki IP special contributors from Indonesia have improperly edited the article to cause harm, it is HUMANLY NATURAL for me to want to know why, I guarantee if you had written the article YOU would want the same insight I seek as to who and why? But according to you I should leave it alone and I will, if I violated a rule I sincerely apologize and I am more sorry to have bothered you. Since you have pointed out my errors I will see what I can do about finding a Mentor Editor to help me in the future. Sorry again. Ingenosa (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Suspected sock ring
- Gucciopiano (talk · contribs)
- Corsairsys (talk · contribs)
- Convoyfc (talk · contribs)
- Lang S.C. (talk · contribs)
- Melanydomingos (talk · contribs)
- Chaddavid (talk · contribs)
- Dderek2009 (talk · contribs)
All these users created a spammy user page and then blanked it. This appears to be an attempt to escape initial review so that they can recreate their SEO spam without being put in the new pages log to escape scrutiny. Do you think this is worth investigating? Triplestop x3 03:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Standard operating procedure on any page that looks spammy and is then blanked is to delete per G7 for just this reason; would this approach not work here? - Dank (push to talk) 12:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey
I have been monitoring some edits with User:Philip Leirsund. Is it fair to report him to AIV or somewhere as a vandal-only account? You can see his messages on his talkpage & and mainspace edits. BrianY (talk) 04:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
dorf
dorf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crudmik31 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Please stop
In the past week you have followed me to two pages, and attacked me directly.
- 00:57, 10 August 2009 [5]
- A talk page you have not edited since 2005-11-24 05:08.
- Last Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not edit was 2007-09-16 14:38
- 15:22, 15 August 2009 [6]
- First and only edit to this page.
So, you now have my full attention, which it appears you wanted, how can I help you Calton? Ikip (talk) 21:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I thought the page was just a test page?
Hi Calton -- I created this page awhile back and thought it was just a "test page" and did not post it live because I knew it may be questionable. I've been waiting to learn more about the rules and regulations of Wikipedia and since then, someone else posted a page about Bourns. How do I go about deleting this page? Also, are there simple instructions anywhere about adding to a current Wikipedia page? This site is not very user friendly. Or, do you know of an expert who can teach someone like maybe yourself? Thanks! K KellerComm (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for deleting page!
but you didn't answer my other questions...? Thanks, K KellerComm (talk) 03:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
BLP
Thanks for letting me know, Calton. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 06:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
alan roger currie afd
please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alan_Roger_Currie_%282nd_nomination%29. it was recently deleted, and you voted either delete or keep, and it has since been recreated. i am messaging all previous voters to see if they wish to vote again. please do not take this as canvassing, as i have attempted to contact all voters Theserialcomma (talk) 07:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
csd
There's a discussion about speedy-deleting promotional user pages at WP:CSD that might interest you. (I made a (favorable) comment about your work there at [7]) . DGG ( talk ) 00:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Removed speedy deletion tag: User:Thegreatestjihad/Imperanon
Hi Calton! Firstly, thanks for helping out in CSD areas. I just wanted to inform you that I removed the speedy deletion tag you placed on User:Thegreatestjihad/Imperanon- because: A7 only applies to articles (see WP:What is an article?), which does not include userpages, or user-subpages. If you have any questions or other messages, please contact me. Thanks Kingpin13 (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Spam star
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For sifting through all that spamming drivel Triplestop x3 02:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC) |
Okay then let's debate it.
First of all, what study? Done by who? The daily show, as Stewart says himself, is not "objective". He says that openly. So I would love to see your study of mainly 17-23 year olds (that's his main club) who are better informed, and what exactly they are "informed" about. Secondly, a living conservative? There are a million, me for example! Also, you should read Jonah Goldberg's liberal fascism, I wrote my honors thesis (Commonwealth College at Umass Amherst) about Mussolini's Socialism and many of the fellows at the Heritage Foundation (Those neocons,right??). Do you know how many more people watch Fox News then other Cable News??? I watch C-Span but that's another story.
Why don't you defend the progressive presidents (and heros of the left) Woodrow Wilson and FDR locking up hundreds of thousands of political prisoners, and militarism and then we can talk about Buckley and segregation.
Stewart is a comedian and he even edits things to mislead, and his response when rarely pressed on it is that "This is my show, I'm not objective." But his core audience is??? Nope! Anyway, liberals (hardcore ones at that) are more obsessed with Fox then I ever will be. Real studies have shown that Fox, like it or not, has more independents that watch it then any other channel. They also completely rout NBC and CNN in ratings. The audience is much more diverse then you think and after the election there was an audience withdrawal from NBC and CNN to Fox. All those crazies, right? But, again, I rarely watch Fox myself, or any cable news for that matter. Too many egos.
Seriously. JohnHistory (talk) 04:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
Part of this was the other editor, not you I was addressing. Thought you guys were one and the same. But you are not? JohnHistory (talk) 05:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
Also, so you would sign that 9/11 petition too? You think those are all valid questions, inquiry here we go?? Okay, so you are on the fringe. I think that says a lot. Would you sign it, or not?? JohnHistory (talk) 05:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
Carlton, you never answered my simple question. Would you have signed said 9/11 petition, or not? cat got your tongue?JohnHistory (talk) 05:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory Again, stewart openly says that he is not objective. He says that, not me. Did you even read your own study (which is two years old with many new Fox viewers since). Before I could even find what "informed" meant I saw this:
"There are substantial differences in the knowledge levels of the audiences for different news outlets. However, there is no clear connection between news formats and what audiences know. Well-informed audiences come from cable (Daily Show/Colbert Report, O'Reilly Factor), the internet (especially major newspaper websites), broadcast TV (NewsHour with Jim Lehrer) and radio (NPR, Rush Limbaugh's program). The less informed audiences also frequent a mix of formats: broadcast television (network morning news shows, local news), cable (Fox News Channel), and the internet (online blogs where people discuss news events)."
-Oreilly Factor is the most watched Cable News Show on TV. Thus the most highly watched Fox News Show has, according to your study, the most well-informed percentage of all cable news shows! You just countered your own point! Secondly, when Fox is the most watch cable news, so when they are going through a list of generic terms for what they are talking about like Broadcast televsion = morning news they give no networks (curious?) but when they mention cable news their generic suddenly becomes "Fox" either because it is the most watched, or for some prejudice. Also, note how they say the less informed audiences also frequent "A MIX OF FORMATS' thus not being strictly Fox viewers but more akin to Channel Surfers. So, you are wrong on several levels, not to mention the giant shift to fox since just the election, yet alone 2007 when this "study" came out. JohnHistory (talk) 05:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
Also, note your evil villain Rush Limbaugh is listed as having some of the most "informed" viewers. Can you say Checkmate? JohnHistory (talk) 05:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
John Stewart is on Comedy Central. He is a comedian, and has been for a long time. He says openly, "This show is not objective." "This is my show", etc. You brought him up as this great informer and yet you then say, "What does that have to do with anything". You see, you can't even have an honest discussion, and I'm sure that really made it impossible to then realize that your own study contradicted yourself about news viewers, which was the height of ridiculousness that you would cite a study that contradicts you in its very opening.
Why would you mention Obama being black? What does that have to do with anything, but a pathetic attempt to stifle debate?
Yeah, because showing your own study contradicts, is not worth reading because I quoted Stewart beforehand saying that he is not objective and the well known fact that he is a comedian on comedy central. Yeah, you lost this one big time. Again, your own study showed that you were dead wrong! And, I have yet to hear a defense of FDR, and Wilson's militarism and arrests of 100,000 of political prisoners. Why does the left always make straw man arguments, and obfuscate, and cite things that contradict themselves? It's quite astonishing, and dare i say pathetic!
Anyway, I'm done if you are. JohnHistory (talk) 23:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
You know, I think it is truly pathetic that instead of addressing the factual data and issues raised you run away into the tiny arches of your mind and reference this. Why not just point out my errors, instead of impugning my integrity? My little legs (I'm 6'3) have carried very far, and apparently you have been left in the dust with only random insults and cliques left as the harbingers of your inability to honestly debate someone else. By the way, I have not simply not "seen enough clips" I wrote my honors thesis at Umass Amherst on Mussolini's socialism so I think you are really showing your true colors here. I don't think you are worthy of my standards of debate so why don't you go bark up the tree you dropped out of.
Listen, I will take his word for it. He said 'This is my show, I'm not objective". That's good enough evidence for me. I mean could he have made it any clearer? Anyone who get their news from stewart, as clearly you do, is just sad. I mean, that is like watching Sesame Street, grow up already! It all over the top satirical ideology and (you got love that audience he has) partisan crap, and guess what, comedy central should have been enough of a giveaway for you. Alas, here you are. Stewart has also said approximately, when pushed on said issue, ~ What do you expect from a show where sock puppets come on afterwards. I also saw a CNN thing on how he edited an Oreilly show to make it look different then it was. Anyway, that link is completely in line with your though process that simply demeans and ignores as opposed to addresses the issues. By the way, your own study, as I pointed out, say O'reilly (This is 2007 many more have switched to his show since) who has had the largest Cable News audience forever, along with Rush Limbaugh have some of the most informed viewers, and I pointed out that you were just wrong in how you presented Fox News in the study. So, keep changing the channel, keep throwing insults around. They just make you sink deeper into your own malaise, your own abyss.JohnHistory (talk) 02:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
Avoiding the issue, having to come back and draw lines on through your own comments on my page, and name calling just make you look twice the fool. Why do I bother with someone whose own touted study contradicted themselves??? So far all you have you done is throw names around, that's it. Seriously pathetic. I think you should let this one go, because you clearly are out of your weight class on this one. JohnHistory (talk) 03:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
And, if you do decide to continue this (your comments are so convoluted) please answer my first question to you which is would you have signed the 9/11 petition Jones did, or not? Through all of this dialogue you have still failed to answer that. You are the one who brought it up in the first place. It would seem that despite Jones doing nothing wrong, and those just being valid questions in your opinion, your spine has gone missing?
Again, you keep mentioning Obama being black and "get over it", etc. Then when I raised this reference with you, you make a totally incoherent argument about it. I'm starting to wonder about your mental cohesiveness. JohnHistory (talk) 03:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)JohnHistory
The Falcon (novel)
Calton, I received the notice of pending deletion and read the links you left for me concerning the author's publisher. While it appears her selection may have been rather poor, I'm not certain that I understand what bearing it has on a book that was actually published. Also, I was under the impression that books fell within the scope of WP:NOTE. I apologise if this is not the case. Could you please clarify what would constitute a "shred of evidence for notability" so that I could improve the article? Thank you. Argonel42 (talk) 05:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)