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::Politely? My comment was prompted by your "disgusting" comment that you dramatically chose to trumpet in your edit summary. I know you mean well but I have a lot of problems with the way you interact with others, and am of the view that you shouldn't sanctioning others here. I'll be very interested to see if, on reflection or with the help of others, you ever come round to acknowledging that you upheld a very bad block. --[[User:Anthonyhcole|Anthonyhcole]] ([[User talk:Anthonyhcole|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Anthonyhcole|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Anthonyhcole|email]]) 11:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC) |
::Politely? My comment was prompted by your "disgusting" comment that you dramatically chose to trumpet in your edit summary. I know you mean well but I have a lot of problems with the way you interact with others, and am of the view that you shouldn't sanctioning others here. I'll be very interested to see if, on reflection or with the help of others, you ever come round to acknowledging that you upheld a very bad block. --[[User:Anthonyhcole|Anthonyhcole]] ([[User talk:Anthonyhcole|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Anthonyhcole|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Anthonyhcole|email]]) 11:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::: I see your [[WP:AGF|good faith]] isn't working today - that's a shame. I'll be interested to see if, on reflection or with the help of others, you ever get it back. I don't believe you and I have ever had negative interactions - I cannot fathom why you'd get a stick in your butt regarding me suddenly today. Whether you believe it was a bad block or not, you too have to [[WP:AGF]], or else there's no need for anyone to take any advice from you. You randomly showed up here in attack mode when none was required - and inserted yourself into an attempt for me to politely discuss this with Tariq, while showing I was offended by his phrasing of things - brilliantly done! ([[User talk:Bwilkins|✉→]]<span style="font-family:Forte, cursive, sans-serif;color:black">[[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]]</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|←✎]]) 11:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC) |
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Hey BWilkins, I was wondering if you'd be willing to discuss and/or reconsider your block of PumpkinSky. I know I'm not one for civility-type blocks and tensions are high between you two, but I don't think a block was the appropriate course of action there, especially since it's escalated the situation. I also figured that in the name of de-escalation, coming here instead of going straight to drama central would be the right thing to do, though I do think that if there continues to be substantial conflict over this block, a community review might be helpful. Just my 2 cents. Best, Keilana|Parlez ici 01:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- support .. sorry BMW, but I'm with Keilana on this one. — Ched : ? 01:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- That was the 2nd block that came from that thread. It seems to be a poisonous block pit today. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 01:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Bwilkins, please consider undoing the block. Whether PumpkinSky deserved a block or not, you should definitely not have been the one to make it (nor the one to protect the page, for that matter), as you were involved in the edit war. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 03:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- In accordance with the growing consensus in that ANI thread, and on the assumption that you're away from the computer and thus unavailable to respond to the concerns about WP:INVOLVED, I've unblocked PumpkinSky. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Interesting - accusations of involved, and an accusation that this was a "civility block" because there was some non-existent "high tensions" between PS and I? Wow ... that's extending something well beyond belief. Some folks really didn't read the entire chain of events, and certainly don't AGF much (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Bwilkins, as a fellow non-enemy of the lulz, fellow owner of an inexpensive automobile, and fellow loyal subject of Betty Windsor, I think you might just over-stepped a little bit in this particular matter. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'm not explaining the entire sequence of events properly, or there's a poisoned well somewhere because I had the nerve to be offline and a lot of unfounded, non-AGF accusations happened while I was drinking Coronas and sleeping, but this is bizarre. I know WP:INVOLVED very very well. Just because someone claims I'm involved - and manufactures things like "you're mad because I took your friend to ArbComm" (which is the most bizarre claim about me I have ever seen on Wikipedia) doesn't make me involved - that was a pointy stunt in and of itself, and simply goes to prove that I made the right call on the block (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:34, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Bwilkins, as a fellow non-enemy of the lulz, fellow owner of an inexpensive automobile, and fellow loyal subject of Betty Windsor, I think you might just over-stepped a little bit in this particular matter. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Interesting - accusations of involved, and an accusation that this was a "civility block" because there was some non-existent "high tensions" between PS and I? Wow ... that's extending something well beyond belief. Some folks really didn't read the entire chain of events, and certainly don't AGF much (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Not that it matters, but I wouldn't have blocked PumpkinSky (big shocker, I know....) but under no circumstance do I see anything that could be seen as admin abuse. I accept that we have different thresholds and prefer to spend my time persuading admin to raise their threshold instead of demonizing them in cases like this where it seems the block was in good faith. Yesterday was a day of drama, perhaps we can work to make today different. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 12:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, we'll need to move forward - although perhaps User:Writ Keeper would be so kind as to correct his unblock statement about WP:INVOLVED ... oh wait, that cannot be easily done. Good idea not to make such unfounded block log statements in the first place as we move forward (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:15, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I would agree that I don't see how WP:involved played a role. There is entirely too much drama going on and admin are getting caught up in it. Admin are getting trigger happy on both sides of many issues (not just this), and what we need now is some calm reflection, not more drama and debates. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 12:20, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I wouldn't correct it even if I could. With respect to Dennis and yourself (the real kind, not the WP:WADR kind), I stand by my statement that this was an involved action, and I for my part am surprised that you and Dennis can't see where we're coming from. You edit-warred with PumpkinSky on the talk page and then protected the page to end the war on your revision and terms: that is never cool. I can accept that you did that in good faith to try to avoid needing a block, rather than explicitly to end the edit war in your favor, but that does not make it uninvolved, nor does it make it even remotely good idea. When you removed PS's comment a second time, your actions became edit-warring whether you meant them to be or not, and I'm surprised you can't see that. Well, you can see that, because you told him to stop edit warring. So how is your re-reversion of someone whom you consider to be edit warring not in itself further edit-warring? And then you go and block PS based at least in part for the edit war, the one that you participated in. (Yes, I'm aware there are other things that happened in between, but it doesn't really matter: you cited the edit war in your block rationale, and even if you hadn't, the edit war without any other context should bve enough to raise a red flag.) I don't think you did this maliciously or to protect your friends from their enemies or whatever. I'm perfectly willing to accept that you blocked in good faith, and that you believed that you weren't involved. But that don't make it so, Joe: it looks to me, and to others in the ANI thread, that you edit-warred with a user and then blocked them for it. And even if you wouldn't have been involved, surely you could've at least thought about avoiding the appearance of INVOLVED and left it for someone else. You're welcome to disagree, of course, but I'd be a little troubled if you can't at least see where we're coming from on this. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Because his reverts were done in an administrative capacity, not an editorial one, that would not be covered by Involved. I guess it depends on what you think his intent was in doing the reverting. If you think it was editorial only, then you might see it as involved. I didn't see it that way. I disagreed with the block, but for different reasons. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 13:28, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oh bullmalarky WK. Now, if I had actually been involved in the discussion that was being edit-warred over I would 100% agree that I was involved. However, from WP:INVOLVED: "an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias, is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area". If I was watching ANY article because of potential problems (maybe someone raised our attention at ANI) and an IP editor added something inappropriate, I'm quite welcome to remove it, and remove it again, and block if needed - that would be 100% appropriate and acceptable. What's the difference here, other than the fact that some of PS's pointiness happened on my talkpage - nothing. The trail of PS's anger spread across Wikipedia yesterday, and his disruption was apparent to anyone who reviewed any of the edits. It was just odd that it was the edit-warring on a closed thread that actually brought anyone's attention to it. The original choice was to block for much longer per WP:DISRUPT, and based on the concept of escalating blocks (I would have only looked at the real ones). Stopping PS from shooting themself in the foot any further is and was the sole goal, and there's no possible definition of the WP:INVOLVED policy that you can link my actions to, period - perhaps you haven't reviewed their edits from yesterday, and have merely drank from the poisoned well that was ANI? (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- It takes two to do the edit-war tango. You don't get a free pass because you can say "hey, this is an admin action". A thread was closed, and PS was questioning the close. On what grounds is a questioning of a thread's close eligible for admin action? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Closing is an administrative function, it just doesn't take someone with the admin bit to do it. I'm not going to argue, I will just say that I don't see that as involved and I have to respectfully disagree with that aspect. It isn't personal, but to me, "involved" means having some kind of editorial preference in the content of the words that are being "edit warred" over, which I didn't see. I still wouldn't have blocked, but WP:involved had nothing to do with why. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 14:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I understand that closing is an administrative action, but that's not particularly relevant, because that's not what Bwilkins did. Bwilkins is saying that reverting someone who was questioning the close [1][2] is also an administrative action, and I very much disagree, particularly when the edit summaries were "don't edit long-closed threads" (it was only closed for two hours; not long by any measure) and "stop edit-warring" (the edit summary of a further reversion is the absolute worst place to say such a thing). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- User:Writ Keeper, what the fuck are you talking about? I quite CLEARLY stated that that "reverting someone who was questioning the close" is NOT an administrative action. Where the hell do you read anything remotely related to what you're claiming I said? I quite clearly stated that obtaining consensus to re-open the discussion was completely acceptable - but that sneaking your comments inside the archive was the problem. Holy fucking hell. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I was talking to Dennis, who had said further up the page: "
Because his reverts were done in an administrative capacity, not an editorial one, that would not be covered by Involved.
" Seriously, chill out: I'm not impugning your character or saying that you're a horrible person or even that you knowingly misused tools. I'm not building an arb case behind your back or anything of the sort. It's just that you just made, in my estimation, a poor call, and I wanted to explain why I thought it was poor. It happens to everyone. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I was talking to Dennis, who had said further up the page: "
- User:Writ Keeper, what the fuck are you talking about? I quite CLEARLY stated that that "reverting someone who was questioning the close" is NOT an administrative action. Where the hell do you read anything remotely related to what you're claiming I said? I quite clearly stated that obtaining consensus to re-open the discussion was completely acceptable - but that sneaking your comments inside the archive was the problem. Holy fucking hell. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I understand that closing is an administrative action, but that's not particularly relevant, because that's not what Bwilkins did. Bwilkins is saying that reverting someone who was questioning the close [1][2] is also an administrative action, and I very much disagree, particularly when the edit summaries were "don't edit long-closed threads" (it was only closed for two hours; not long by any measure) and "stop edit-warring" (the edit summary of a further reversion is the absolute worst place to say such a thing). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Closing is an administrative function, it just doesn't take someone with the admin bit to do it. I'm not going to argue, I will just say that I don't see that as involved and I have to respectfully disagree with that aspect. It isn't personal, but to me, "involved" means having some kind of editorial preference in the content of the words that are being "edit warred" over, which I didn't see. I still wouldn't have blocked, but WP:involved had nothing to do with why. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 14:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- It takes two to do the edit-war tango. You don't get a free pass because you can say "hey, this is an admin action". A thread was closed, and PS was questioning the close. On what grounds is a questioning of a thread's close eligible for admin action? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oh bullmalarky WK. Now, if I had actually been involved in the discussion that was being edit-warred over I would 100% agree that I was involved. However, from WP:INVOLVED: "an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias, is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area". If I was watching ANY article because of potential problems (maybe someone raised our attention at ANI) and an IP editor added something inappropriate, I'm quite welcome to remove it, and remove it again, and block if needed - that would be 100% appropriate and acceptable. What's the difference here, other than the fact that some of PS's pointiness happened on my talkpage - nothing. The trail of PS's anger spread across Wikipedia yesterday, and his disruption was apparent to anyone who reviewed any of the edits. It was just odd that it was the edit-warring on a closed thread that actually brought anyone's attention to it. The original choice was to block for much longer per WP:DISRUPT, and based on the concept of escalating blocks (I would have only looked at the real ones). Stopping PS from shooting themself in the foot any further is and was the sole goal, and there's no possible definition of the WP:INVOLVED policy that you can link my actions to, period - perhaps you haven't reviewed their edits from yesterday, and have merely drank from the poisoned well that was ANI? (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
A little help
Was disappointed by your decline request & to be honest was very offended by the uncivil editor remark. I have tried to maintain as much civility as possible with other editors. 1 guy gets on my nerves & both of us shoot off at each other. If you look at the other editor Abhishek191288,he has been having several uncivilized conversations with several others, has also engaged in edit warring, has admitted to it but gets away with a pep talk.
He has even refused to accept to Government of India notification as a reliable source of information. Take a look at Surat Railway station & Mumbai Rajdhani page main images. For sometime the exact same image was posted there & despite explaining in detail why the particular image was incorrect, he still refuses to accept it. What do you suggest i do with such a person because talking to him is of no use or there is a way to explain how the Great Eastern royale building (in the background)in Tardeo area of Mumbai got transported to Surat ?? Perhaps there is a way to explain how Mumbai Central & Surat railway station have identical layouts. Problem is i cant explain it & it is pointless asking someone who's ego is offended by superior work. If as he claims they are irrelevant then why except him is no one removing them.
He has been targeting my uploads but it puzzles me that when i undo them, i get blocked, he does it he gets a pep talk. Can you please explain it to me because i cant see any reason for it. As far as ownership of articles is concerned,i have long accepted that anyone from anywhere can edit anything but that is supposed to be based on facts not opinions. Besides i have made several offers to him to upload his work so that a impartial analysis of both our works can be done. I have yet to see a single upload in that direction but what i do see on his page is undone edits of various other people.
Fact in this case is that a building in Mumbai cannot be used to depict Surat,opinion is that lets revert the edit because i don't like the other person & he is uploading more images than me especially since i cant match him for quality & quantity. There is a small quote from a John Grisham novel If a witness is unshakeable on facts then beat him up with insignificant details which is exactly the case here. This is completely unacceptable. Help me understand why facts are superseding opinions here.
Had left a message for you on my talk page on 8th June. I do understand that that is not what you prefer but considering that i was not permitted to edit your talk page,it was the best that i could do. I have tried to be civil with everyone but i am only human. Superfast1111 (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- You may have a point, but can you comment on whether you have also edited as User:Firefighter1675? Catfish Jim and the soapdish 15:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- As per your rather poorly-considered new thread below, please note that I have NOT responded to this thread earlier because I was, indeed, awaiting your reply to the question by Catfish Jim above. However, as you're being a little pushy, and are ignoring the notice that says "(if)I declined your unblock request: since it has either expired, or someone else has unblocked you, understand that I do read very carefully. Don't push your fortuitous luck", I'll be blunt. My job as the reviewer of an unblock is multi-phased - the first is to see if there is a WP:GAB-compliant request. When you submitted your first request, I commented before it was declined - and I was extremely clear about what was wrong with it - you needed to fix it, or else. Sure enough it was declined by another admin. You then submitted a new one that was just as bad, if not worse. They say that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a new result - well, your unblock request was more of the same and was an obvious decline. Look, I was not involved in the block - and cannot or will not comment on what you perceive as "unfair" about one person getting blocked and the other not, except to say this: in most sports, the person who reacts to an original foul is usually the person who gets the foul. I have an old Wikipedia saying "someone else's incivility may explain your own, but it will never excuse it" - in other words, don't ever try to use someone's actions as an excuse for yours: you alone are responsible for clicking the "save page" button, and the intelligent person re-thinks their comments before actually making them. Civility is a pillar of Wikipedia - it's not optional - when in a disagreement, you are REQUIRED to take the high road, even when provoked. We have dispute resolution for a reason, and the reason is that we don't put up with petty bullshit such as edit-warring and personal attacks. As you now have an obvious history of personal attacks, you'll find that an administrator will not go lightly on you in the future for similar situations, and not only will disparity between the blocks given (or not given) to different parties get wider, the length of your blocks will be getting even longer. Blocks are escalating in nature in order to get you to stop performing the actions that led to them: you seem to be failing to learn those lessons. Start now. Review the 5 pillars again - remind yourself that this is a community, and review the purpose of this project (including the fact that we don't want your opinion in articles). If you want to continue to be rude to someone who you disagree with, then GO AWAY - this project is not for you. I am NOT commenting on the content your were being ridiculous over - that's not my role in this situation (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:39, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
suggestion:
Perhaps you and I could have a talk .. maybe email or something so as to not raise the drama levels on wiki. this is very discouraging BMW. If you honestly don't understand the "why" .. I will try to explain. I have a TON of respect for you. If you remember, I did support your first RfA .. and truly admired your work at WQA. But I've been watching some things that honestly sadden me. Could we talk please? yes/no/maybe? — Ched : ? 21:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Ched, you know you're always welcome to e-mail me ... I do trust/respect you (✉→BWilkins←✎) 21:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Heather Morris edit
Hey Bwilkins, responding to "Not sure why you're removing an image" here, the image is identical to the profile picture higher up on the page, my feeling was that the same image is not needed twice - do you disagree? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.236.159 (talk) 20:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- So, why didn't you put that in your edit-summary? Or perhaps a note on the article talkpage that we needed a different images since it was duplicated? (✉→BWilkins←✎) 14:05, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Please do not abuse your admin authority
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Bwilkins, I'm sure you are a fine admin and work hard to improve and protect the project, but earlier today you threatened to block me at this ANI discussion if I posted any additonal comments. I feel that was highly inappropriate and an abuse of your authority. In the future, I suggest you stop attempting to censor editors through basless and unwarranted threats like that.
I also would ask you to read the wise words of some of your great admin colleagues, like Bbb23, DGG, and Bushranger, regarding the ANI situation.
Your apparent attempt to smear admin OrangeMike's reputation by bringing up past allegations against him, which have absolutely no relevance to the current matter, was highly improper. The fact remains that ANI has a basic, primary instruction: "Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page." Just today, another fine admin, Kim Dent-Brown, made the importance of that instruction clear, when he said in another thread, "the original complainant was wrong to come straight here without addressing the IP editor first".[3] Bbb23 said, "Demiurge should have discussed the current problem with Mike before coming here. Just because he has discussed what he believes to be a pattern doesn't justify not giving Mike a first opportunity to reply."[4] But perhaps Bushranger put it best in our ANI discussion when he said, "regardless of whether or not the block was valid, regardless of past communications (or lack thereof), and regardless of any biting, the fact that there was no communication with OM before he got dragged here is very disturbing".[5] So while you won't accept this point from an IP like me, perhaps will you will listen to some of your highly-respected admin colleagues.
Regarding the overall ANI topic, it involves a user who is a paid employee/contractor of the subject of an article; one who has admitted to creating a shared account for the sole purpose of using the article as a promotional tool. Any editor or admin who ignores or downplays policies like WP:NOPAY, WP:NOSHARE, and WP:NPOV are being disruptive - whether intentional or not - with regard to our duty to protect the project and its integrity.
In any case, I hope in the future you will never again threaten a productive, good-faith user with a block for merely participating in a discussion, unless that editor is clearly trolling or blatantly violating another policy. And falsely describing a comment like this one as "trolling", as you did here, solely to create an excuse to block someone, is, as I said, an abuse of your authority as an admin. And falsely alleging trolling can also be seen as a form of harassment. If you thought perhaps I was repeating myself too much, which I admit I sometimes am guilty of, then it certainly would've been fine to ask me to please stop doing that. However, if another editor comments to me directly regarding a past comment, then I certainly have every right to respond. But trying to completely shut out an editor from a conversation, by holding a block over their head, is on the verge of being outrageous. Fortunately, another admin (Bbb23), told you that your threat to block me was improper. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 06:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have never abused my admin authority, and your accusations are ridiculous. No - I was not told the block was improper, it was their opinion that it was perhaps not the best way forward. Nobody should have to ask you TWICE to stop being disruptive in that thread. Any intelligent editor who chooses to do about a minute of research would know that I take promotional accounts and username very seriously, and deal with them every day. The wise editor would have already figured out that I was the one who created the {{coiq}} template, and that I deal with a half-dozen unblock requests from spam accounts every day. Before YOU drop by to make bizarre accusations, please do your homework. Your lack of doing your background work, and utter AGF in your accusations are what's disturbing. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 09:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Any intelligent editor"? Very mature. It's interesting how you believe that an editor is somehow supposed to figure out in "a minute" what your philosophy is on some random aspect of editing? Right. But it's moot anyway because my comments are based on your comments and conduct in that discussion. And for the record, what Bbb said in response to your threat was, "The IP should not be blocked for his conduct here". I'm not sure how he could have been any more clear and concise with you than that. And this issue is not about your mischaracterization of my comments being "disruptive"; it's about you threatening a block if I posted anything else in the discussion. Defending that outrageous threat makes me question your judgment. I would've understood and respected you if you at least said something like... you're right, I should've just asked you not to keep repeating things, or not (whatever you think was "disruptive"). But to simply say... don't post anything again or I'll block you immediately was, frankly, total bullshit. And if you had done it, it would've been overturned in a hearteat anyway. Anyway, you didn't address the overall comments of Bbb, DGG and Bushranger, but that's okay. You got the message. And I'm sure you've read their comments. Hopefully, you'll learn something from them. In any case, that ANI report turned out to be a complete waste of time, as predicted when it was started. Btw, you're one of the last people who should be lecturing others about AGF. I've seen more than a few comments like this about your ongoing failure with AGF. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 10:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- Ooohhh...pull a whole bunch of comments completely out of their original context and accuse me of not AGF? Very pathetic - a weak attack where no position of reality exists. Go away until you're a) able to read properly, and b) ready to increase your AGF-factor. You've just proven EXACTLY why I was right on ANI. Congratulations. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Any intelligent editor"? Very mature. It's interesting how you believe that an editor is somehow supposed to figure out in "a minute" what your philosophy is on some random aspect of editing? Right. But it's moot anyway because my comments are based on your comments and conduct in that discussion. And for the record, what Bbb said in response to your threat was, "The IP should not be blocked for his conduct here". I'm not sure how he could have been any more clear and concise with you than that. And this issue is not about your mischaracterization of my comments being "disruptive"; it's about you threatening a block if I posted anything else in the discussion. Defending that outrageous threat makes me question your judgment. I would've understood and respected you if you at least said something like... you're right, I should've just asked you not to keep repeating things, or not (whatever you think was "disruptive"). But to simply say... don't post anything again or I'll block you immediately was, frankly, total bullshit. And if you had done it, it would've been overturned in a hearteat anyway. Anyway, you didn't address the overall comments of Bbb, DGG and Bushranger, but that's okay. You got the message. And I'm sure you've read their comments. Hopefully, you'll learn something from them. In any case, that ANI report turned out to be a complete waste of time, as predicted when it was started. Btw, you're one of the last people who should be lecturing others about AGF. I've seen more than a few comments like this about your ongoing failure with AGF. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 10:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
MrT
I have just unlocked MrT's talk page to see whether we are able to move forward at all. I have still locked him out of email until its clear that he won't abuse it again. I'm minded that a longer block than the original 3 day is required as a consequence of the nastygrams and, as the other known recipient, I'd be interested to know how long you think is appropriate. Thanks Spartaz Humbug! 07:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think, based on the contents of the e-mail I received alone, that this should sadly be indef. I think he's trying to do right, but he certainly has a fecked-up way of reacting to things (✉→BWilkins←✎) 09:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
AN notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oh thank you; there is a deity and they reside within Bbb23 (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:43, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Always
Your statement that "'bits' always means genitals" is wrong. A byte contains 8 bits. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Are you saying that TRM has bytes? I for one didn't know that "bits" can mean genitals (is that a British thing?), but you have to admit, Kiefer, that you delight in double entendre, whether it was intended in this case or not.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry
Logging back in just to say this "officially", not as an IP address: I retract the WP:DICK comments at Jimbotalk. I was severely irritated and seem to have misread your intent, which appeared to me to be directly questioning my and someone else's motives or honesty, but which I now see can be read differently; you are right that I did not assume good faith; mea culpa. While I did honestly meant a certain amount of parting incivility to people gravedancing about my leaving and the reasons for it, I don't think you were an appropriate target for that. Peace. I have nothing to say to anyone else at this point. Actually I guess I should clarify that I never said that a resigning Arb claimed specifically that he quit because of SarekOfVulcan; I was alluding to an Arb (I couldn't be bothered to go look up his name right now; I have more rewarding things to do like pet one of the cats and have a snack, and make a checklist for an upcoming trip to Europe, and anything else but Pickyweedia) who resigned in disgust, with a pointed statement about ArbCom doing what it collectively thought would cause fewer waves rather than what was right, and this resignation happening shortly on the heels of SoV getting away with blatant entrapment schemes and somehow escaping being desysoped by ArbCom for it. One can theorize that the timing was just coincidence of course. I really don't care any more. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 09:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- I will express my sincere thanks to you for this. I would also encourage you to take some time to recharge - then come back. There's a lot of BS on this site (try being an admin!) and if you let a bunch of little things OR a couple of big things annoy you too much, you get away from the real intent of what we all are trying to do here. Whether you leave permanently or come back in 6 months...a year...whenever, you'll still have my respect for a) the things you have tried to do for the project, and b) your apology above. Cheers (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Meta areas
It is, really, I suppose, but as I've been quasi topic banned by an Arb, there's not much I can say, other than it's clearly a case of a young user trying to be clever and get noticed. However, RfA is a free-for-all venue for drama and nobody can be disenfranchised except for the most serious of reasons. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
- I think it's been worked out ... both by e-mail, and on his talkpage. They are certainly an impulsive individual with a thin skin, and an inability to easily see where/when they've caused an issue. Let's hope the dozens of eyes can lead him somewhere (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Still waiting
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I am still waiting for your answer. Would appreciate it if you could spare a few minutes. Superfast1111 (talk) 03:59, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
An answer to a little help that i left on your talk page dated June 28. I have re-copied it here.
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Was disappointed by your decline request & to be honest was very offended by the uncivil editor remark. I have tried to maintain as much civility as possible with other editors. 1 guy gets on my nerves & both of us shoot off at each other. If you look at the other editor Abhishek191288,he has been having several uncivilized conversations with several others, has also engaged in edit warring, has admitted to it but gets away with a pep talk. He has even refused to accept to Government of India notification as a reliable source of information. Take a look at Surat Railway station & Mumbai Rajdhani page main images. For sometime the exact same image was posted there & despite explaining in detail why the particular image was incorrect, he still refuses to accept it. What do you suggest i do with such a person because talking to him is of no use or there is a way to explain how the Great Eastern royale building (in the background)in Tardeo area of Mumbai got transported to Surat ?? Perhaps there is a way to explain how Mumbai Central & Surat railway station have identical layouts. Problem is i cant explain it & it is pointless asking someone who's ego is offended by superior work. If as he claims they are irrelevant then why except him is no one removing them. He has been targeting my uploads but it puzzles me that when i undo them, i get blocked, he does it he gets a pep talk. Can you please explain it to me because i cant see any reason for it. As far as ownership of articles is concerned,i have long accepted that anyone from anywhere can edit anything but that is supposed to be based on facts not opinions. Besides i have made several offers to him to upload his work so that a impartial analysis of both our works can be done. I have yet to see a single upload in that direction but what i do see on his page is undone edits of various other people. Fact in this case is that a building in Mumbai cannot be used to depict Surat,opinion is that lets revert the edit because i don't like the other person & he is uploading more images than me especially since i cant match him for quality & quantity. There is a small quote from a John Grisham novel If a witness is unshakeable on facts then beat him up with insignificant details which is exactly the case here. This is completely unacceptable. Help me understand why facts are superseding opinions here. Had left a message for you on my talk page on 8th June. I do understand that that is not what you prefer but considering that i was not permitted to edit your talk page,it was the best that i could do. I have tried to be civil with everyone but i am only human. Superfast1111 (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC) Superfast1111 (talk) 04:42, 5 July 2013 (UTC) |
Please don't do that ... you simply needed to post in the original thread - do not start a new one. I will review my part of the situation, but you should review the grey box you see when you try to edit this page, specifically the part that says "(if) I declined your unblock request: since it has either expired, or someone else has unblocked you, understand that I do read very carefully. Don't push your fortuitous luck" (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I read your statement
Revenge? No. You were not venting, you were abusive. I'm a volunteer here - as are you. If you were a volunteer at the Boy Scouts and you pulled another volunteer into another room and swore at them, called them disgusting names, abused them, and verbally attacked them you would not be a volunteer there anymore. In fact, if you did that to me in person, I'd be laying charges against you - and I would win. Your actions were unwarranted, and you seem to think that they should be instantly forgiven ... even though you're not asking for forgiveness. On what planet do you believe such vitriol is appropriate? This project is an electronic workspace - the same rules for the real world apply here
I read this statement of yours. I can't think of anything appropriate to say at this time. I saw you were trying to be helpful in the mess Mr T was in. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- I cannot tell whether you're in agreement with the comment, shocked by the comment, or trashing me for the comment ... we all know my feelings on civility as a whole (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:58, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Though all of us are volunteers of unknown expertise, we all imagine that we are all involved in a serious business - I believe that we should be as formal and civil as possible. There is no excuse too good to allow anyone to indulge in profanity and not express remorse and seek forgiveness. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Incivility is however only a part of the whole issue. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Though all of us are volunteers of unknown expertise, we all imagine that we are all involved in a serious business - I believe that we should be as formal and civil as possible. There is no excuse too good to allow anyone to indulge in profanity and not express remorse and seek forgiveness. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Your e-mail
In reply to your e-mail, I don't see anything in your discussion with the user you refer to that would cause me to change my assessment of the situation, sorry. Sandstein 19:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Clarification
I know the part about not pushing my luck & thats not what i am trying to do. the only reason i wrote to you was that i wish i could understand your decision a little better. It still does'nt make sense to me. I only wish i knew what that was about not to mention how the other person got away with a pep talk & i got a suspension. That hurts more than any thing.
Sorry if i offended you on any front. Superfast1111 (talk) 17:49, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- What's MORE offensive is that you keep creating new threads, instead of posting inside the one that's currently active. Stop it! Keep your conversations together in one place. As I'm not the blocking admin, I honestly did not get involved in WHO was blocked - I merely reviewed YOUR unblock (hence the WP:NOTTHEM comment. If you want to know why the blocking admin didn't block the both of you, ask them, not me - although, I'd suggest it's likely unwise (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
But the above thread clearly mentioned that it has been archived & should not be modified. I have already asked the editor although now i regret it. He did what he felt was the right thing. My question to you was 'how should i have framed my request that would have convinced you to lift my suspension. Thats all. Once again sorry for troubling you. If you wish to reply then do so here,i have marked this page for follow up. Superfast1111 (talk) 05:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- Are you kidding me? The above thread was archived because you already HAD an existing thread much earlier at User talk:Bwilkins#A little help...which is where everything was supposed to go. I have pointed you at WP:GAB many, many times, as well as warned you against WP:NOTTHEM and WP:EBUR. Those are links to pages, click them and follow them - that is how you should have framed your unblock request. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 09:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
RfA reform
I only asked a few, and I really simply forgot to ask you to chime in here. There's a bit of reading to get up to speed, but not too much - comments on the talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Much thanks!
Hi BWilkins. Just a big thank you for your quick response to the Head East situation. I hope the band's representativ will uderstand and be satisfied with the changes made. I try to sit in my little cybercorner going about my work quietly and not get involved in the "big picture", disputes, etc. but I really felt I needed some help with this one due to possible legal ramifications. Thanks again and have a great Wiki kinda day! Sector001 (talk) 12:58, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. I don't want to get too involved in the article itself, but the wording should help, as should my note on their talkpage (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Precaution note
Friendly note: don't you dare burning out. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:13, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- especially over editors who travel the world. I know, I know, I've been slapped on the wrist by the wriggly one over this too ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- Those who travel the world; those whose skies are filled with gourds, and the occasional IPv4 address ... at the end of the day, they're doing me less damage than rocket shells landing outside of a compound. Although some days, the latter is actually more comfortable (✉→BWilkins←✎) 15:13, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Account that just got blocked but has multiple accounts that are not accounted for
Hey there, got a quick question: This madman got blocked yesterday for disruptive editing and harassing me on my talkpage, in fact I don't think he has edited an article in two months.. But he has used multiple accounts, Such as: User:Hulkster2, User:Tucker2006 shouldn't they be blocked aswell? Or should I file an SPi, or should I just ignore this. Thoughts? Prabash.Akmeemana 18:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- First, don't call him names ... I wouldn't want to have to block you for WP:NPA :-) Second, multiple accounts are permitted, as long as they're not used abusively and are linked properly. I note that the block is for a mere 31hrs ... we only need to block the other accounts if he tries to login to one of them in order to WP:EVADE his current block. If he does that, let me know. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 18:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- Heh, true, I'm a bit tough on new editors, I'm more like a ruthless tyrannical warlord here. if you block me.. Yeah I would deserve it, Personal attacks are serious. The one above wasn't direct but its still a WP:NPA. By the way I just realized you are editing from Canada, well same here though I'm from Toronto, Ontario which is a much better place than Ottawa ;) . If he does evade, which I think he won't, I will ping you in. Best Prabash.Akmeemana 18:28, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- PBASH607, I'm not sure why you are here asking about it since GorrillaWarfare is the one who set the block in place. Anyways, this looks like a classic case of WP:ROPE to me, and based on my previous encounters with H1, I have a suspicion that leans much further to a "that's too bad" than it does to "that's great" but only time will tell... Technical 13 (talk) 00:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Technical 13 I went to BMW, because he's reliable and the fact that GorillaWarfare told me she has work and is busy, I really don't want to disturb her, but I will ping her in anyways I guess. Prabash.Akmeemana 03:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Just a curiosity. :) Technical 13 (talk) 12:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Technical 13 I went to BMW, because he's reliable and the fact that GorillaWarfare told me she has work and is busy, I really don't want to disturb her, but I will ping her in anyways I guess. Prabash.Akmeemana 03:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- User:Technical 13, just like you have a habit of approaching admins you have a positive history with, Prabash is doing the same thing ... you should never be questionning things like that (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Bwikins, I wouldn't consider my history with many admins as positive. Most of them are neutral in my book, and none ar negative. I personally would go to the blocking admin (and actually I did ask GW why such a short block for someone who has been trolling and disruptive and pointy and not here to build an encyclopedia in my mind). Anyways, if you consider out history as positive, that is good to know. :) Happy editing and happy administrating. Anyways, back to tending to the baby and my GF that is recovering from surgery. :D Technical 13 (talk) 15:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- User:Technical 13, just like you have a habit of approaching admins you have a positive history with, Prabash is doing the same thing ... you should never be questionning things like that (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Outstanding unblock request
Hey Bwilkins. I was trudging through the backlog of requests at WP:RFU and noticed there is a request waiting for a response from you at User talk:Petahhz. Looks like the user has agreed to your conditions....Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 20:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- That must have been like ... a week ago? Maybe one of my tps'ers will take care of it :-) (✉→BWilkins←✎) 22:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I've unblocked the user. It's my first. I'll keep an eye on things best I can. Please let me know if there's something I should be doing or should know, and if I got the procedure itself right. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Bwilkins. I've responded to your "not done" comments on the request page. I don't think I was doing anything wrong, I'm not removing references, just hiding them temporarily so that the errors don't show. By the way, your signature is a bit confusing, it took me a while to work out how to get to your talk page. Flying Buttress (talk) 10:59, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Please don't use that board for discussion. I have replied there, but I should not have. If you do not understand the errors you're making, it does show that you're not quite ready for autoconfirmed status. As I have noted, I appreciate what you're trying to do, but fix rather than hide. Note also: how is my signature confusing? My name links to my User page, the envelope leads to my talkpage, and the pencil leads to my contributions ... all of those can link to my talkpage as well ... nothing remotely confusing, unless you're new :-) (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:51, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- I've got to say, you're really giving out mixed messages. There's nothing to say "don't discuss at that page" on the page, along with the fact that you discussed the matter on the page. But ok, I won't respond there further. Also, I didn't think there was any "status" associated with autoconfirmed, I thought it was just a "stop spam" thing. I won't argue further because, to be blunt, given your actions and discussion style I don't trust your opinion on this matter. Finally, I apologise for my comments about your signature, I've been reading further and there's nothing wrong with it, it just confused me. Flying Buttress (talk) 14:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm trying to help you right here on my talkpage ... I'm not sure what the issue is. AutoConfirmed status is given after 4 days/10 edits as we believe that by then, the editor will have a) read up on policies, b) tried a few thigns, c) learned a few things - it has little to do with anti-spam. There's no mixed message - you seem to be completely unwilling to listen to the simple piece of advice: fix, don't remove - and hiding is considered removing. One of the awesome things you seem to be doing is closing ref tags. Please stop hiding the others, FIX them instead (✉→BWilkins←✎) 14:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- The reason I'm struggling to "listen" is because you're not actually telling me anything. You just keep repeating "fix" "fix" "fix". Yet, I'm following the exact same fix that other wikipedian's have done, that is to accept that the there is a reason the reference has been removed within the text, and tidying up the reference list by hiding now unused reference. By "fix" you appear suggesting that I re-add removed content or find somewhere else to use the same reference, just because it's nice to have references. That's not right, as the content shouldn't necesarily be replaced. I'm more than willing to take advice, but saying a single word ("fix") and assuming that I'll be able to work it all out from there is just unhelpful. Flying Buttress (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- You know what, just forget it. I was enjoying plodding along and fixing things but all I've done for the last few hours is read essays and documentation to try and prove one of us wrong. This isn't what I want to do with my spare time. I'm going to log off and see if I can get a bit more motivation to do useful stuff tomorrow. Flying Buttress (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oi. I'm sorry you followed the actions of others, as all it's done is confuse and frustrate you...and you're taking it out on me (but hey, what else are admins for :-) ). Let me try to be more clear, and hopefully more helpful. First, REM'ing out references is wrong (by REM, I mean using the HTML coding of <!-- --> around it. The minor error you were seeing was cause by something simple: the first time you use a specific source in an article and you intend to use it again, you need to "define" it as a named reference. From that point forward, doing ref's is much simpler. What happens when you see that error is because nobody has yet named the ref. As per the link I gave you, it's very simple to fix. It's not your fault the error went funny ... that usually because someone removed the first instance of that ref somewhere in the article. So, instead of REMing it out, you simply needed to add name=whatever to the original <ref ...> statement. Again, my intent is not to frustrate you ... my goal is to be helpful, and I have more than once thanked you for the stuff you're trying to do ... I'm simply saying "don't follow others leads" (✉→BWilkins←✎) 16:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm trying to help you right here on my talkpage ... I'm not sure what the issue is. AutoConfirmed status is given after 4 days/10 edits as we believe that by then, the editor will have a) read up on policies, b) tried a few thigns, c) learned a few things - it has little to do with anti-spam. There's no mixed message - you seem to be completely unwilling to listen to the simple piece of advice: fix, don't remove - and hiding is considered removing. One of the awesome things you seem to be doing is closing ref tags. Please stop hiding the others, FIX them instead (✉→BWilkins←✎) 14:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- I've got to say, you're really giving out mixed messages. There's nothing to say "don't discuss at that page" on the page, along with the fact that you discussed the matter on the page. But ok, I won't respond there further. Also, I didn't think there was any "status" associated with autoconfirmed, I thought it was just a "stop spam" thing. I won't argue further because, to be blunt, given your actions and discussion style I don't trust your opinion on this matter. Finally, I apologise for my comments about your signature, I've been reading further and there's nothing wrong with it, it just confused me. Flying Buttress (talk) 14:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Thankyou, that was much more clear and much more helpful. It does look like we've been talking about different things here, which might have caused the whole confusion. Allow me to demonstrate with a wikitable and some nowiki tabs (thanks for showing me that!)
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You've spent your time helpfully describing Situation 1. If the first instance of REF-A gets removed, we get an error on the second REF-A. The fix there is to find what REF-A was, and place it into the second (now only) instance of REF-A. In that case, "REM"ing the reference would definitely be the wrong thing to do. However, I was dealing with Situation 2. In that situation, when you remove REF-B, there are no instances remaining within the article text. That should be fixed by REMing the reference in the reflist, surely. Flying Buttress (talk) 12:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- I looked at a bunch of the edits and found instances of 1 ... I did not look for instances of 2 because the 1's were significant enough, IMHO (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:33, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- Could you look again? Every edit I made with the comment "hidden unused reference" was situation 2. I only did it 5 times.
I think (if I remember rightly) the only time I looked came close to situation 1 was my comments at Talk:Angry_Birds#Edit_request_on_11_July_2013, but I didn't actually make the change. I'm sorry if it's a little extra work for you, but I'd really appreciate the vindication. Flying Buttress (talk) 13:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if your sole goal is "vindication", you're on your own. Good luck. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- Honestly, I'm not trying to play games, I just felt that you told me off for something I didn't do. You appear to have agreed with me above, but then mentioned that you "found instances of 1"... but I didn't do that. I'm not looking for apologies or looking to rub your face in anything, I just want to know, for my own benefit that I didn't do anything wrong... or if I did do something wrong what it was that I did wrong so that I won't do it again. I understand if you won't help, I got frustrated with you yesterday and if you just want to get rid of me, that's fine - but if that is the case, can you give me the details of someone else to ask? Flying Buttress (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- I never told you off; period. I saw something that seemed at the time to be a minor issue, and other than that saw no additional reasons or requirements to grant confirmed status early. I praised you for your work overall. Maybe I was wrong in what I thought I saw, but it was based on a cursory glance. If I was right, I was right. If I was wrong, then oops, sorry. However, the minute you use the word "vindication", I have zero time for you. Move on - if you honestly believe it's not an issue, then it's not an issue: I never posted a formal warning on your talkpage, made threats, or harassed you ... so no harm, no foul. As I said - and the reason this thread is CLOSED because the word "vindication" has connotations that I have zero desire to be a part of. I won't be following your edits, and anticipate never crossing paths again in the future. Again, GOOD LUCK, and thanks for your early work so far on this project. Based on the above, any further posts by you related to this will be immediately reverted (✉→BWilkins←✎) 14:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I'll keep trying and have found somewhere else to ask. I didn't realise "vindication" had such strong connotations here and won't use it again. Flying Buttress (talk) 14:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- I never told you off; period. I saw something that seemed at the time to be a minor issue, and other than that saw no additional reasons or requirements to grant confirmed status early. I praised you for your work overall. Maybe I was wrong in what I thought I saw, but it was based on a cursory glance. If I was right, I was right. If I was wrong, then oops, sorry. However, the minute you use the word "vindication", I have zero time for you. Move on - if you honestly believe it's not an issue, then it's not an issue: I never posted a formal warning on your talkpage, made threats, or harassed you ... so no harm, no foul. As I said - and the reason this thread is CLOSED because the word "vindication" has connotations that I have zero desire to be a part of. I won't be following your edits, and anticipate never crossing paths again in the future. Again, GOOD LUCK, and thanks for your early work so far on this project. Based on the above, any further posts by you related to this will be immediately reverted (✉→BWilkins←✎) 14:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Wingard
Wingard has come back from their block and are once again making the edits they were banned for a year for! It's clear this user has not learned their lesson. 71.233.227.127 (talk) 17:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, Done For someone who says they speak good English, they certainly don't read it well (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
A quiet "Thank you"
There is a moment around me in which no one is screaming banshee-like in my eyes and ears. You are responsible for this quietude. For this, know that I am grateful. My own patience was worn so thin.... AfD is hard enough without the needless accusations and fingerpointing. A moment of silence like a snowfall. I am grateful for this. I am one of many. KDS4444Talk 23:17, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Contrary to the belief of some, I do not enjoy blocking. In this case, there was no choice - they should have got the hint in the early part of the ANI that they were doing the wrong thing. Hopefully the rest of the AfD goes ok ... I expect there to be some instant SPA's pop up as likely WP:SOCKs ... keep an eye out for them (✉→BWilkins←✎) 23:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Will do. The socks shall not overcome. I shall eat all the socks! (woah, brain still swimming!). And I understand your feelings on blocking users. I don't enjoy nominating articles for deletion, but I do it sometimes when it seems right— sometimes they are kept, sometimes deleted. I understand that the point is to proceed with caution, and to act when we have clarity, and to learn from the acting. Which all sounds very zen, but in fact is just the result of a few cups of good tea. Cheers! KDS4444Talk 04:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- A necessary block, but obviously I would say that. On a more lighthearted note, are you not my friend then?! :) GiantSnowman 10:42, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- Will do. The socks shall not overcome. I shall eat all the socks! (woah, brain still swimming!). And I understand your feelings on blocking users. I don't enjoy nominating articles for deletion, but I do it sometimes when it seems right— sometimes they are kept, sometimes deleted. I understand that the point is to proceed with caution, and to act when we have clarity, and to learn from the acting. Which all sounds very zen, but in fact is just the result of a few cups of good tea. Cheers! KDS4444Talk 04:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users
Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to try out Snuggle and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in #wikimedia-office connect on Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC. See the agenda for more info. --EpochFail(talk • work), Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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Review a user?
I noticed that you'd warned User:Fandemode, previously User:Strandofsilk. The problem is this: the user had been warned about creating spam content. They claimed that they'd learned their lesson and that they wouldn't do anything of that nature. HOWEVER, yesterday User:Strandofsilk created a spam userpage. I've blocked both Strandofsilk and Fandemode, as they are the same person and they'd been warned about spamming on Wikipedia. I figured I should ask another opinion on this, just in case. The problem is that this user had the password and login info for that account, so it's pretty suspicious that all of a sudden someone else is uploading spam under the same username. ([6], [7]) If you want to show mercy and unblock them, that's fine. The other account (Fandemode) was stale, but I didn't want to run the risk of them spamming again. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 18:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
- Looks correct to me ... WP:ROPE is only so long, and a promise is a promise (✉→BWilkins←✎) 18:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! I was worried that maybe I was being a bit too strict- I tend to have little empathy for blatant spammers that show no sign of changing their ways, but even less for situations like this. I'm glad it's not just me being overly harsh. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 03:23, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Lots of questions I need to have answered ASAP!
Dear Bawilkins,
Sorry, I didn't know how to get this across, but I thought that this was the best way to do so. I do apologize. Anyway, here are my questions. Hopefully you can answer them. :D
1. How can I get to know the community on Wikipedia better?
2. What does it take to get blocked from editing on Wikipedia? (I hope that never happens to me).
3. How do you make an edit such as replacing principle image of an article-
-that you put on the article that you edited removable ONLY by the person asking you permission- -to replace the image that you put on the article?
4. What do people on the Wikipedia Community usually talk about? I would like to know.
5. What is auto-edit and how does it work?
6. Can I use auto-edit as well?
7. How can I become a well known user on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keeby101 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Keeby101, first thing first, WP is no social network, though you can get to know the community better, by creating articles and participating in discussions in a civil manner. Secondly, don't even get started with the block talk, getting blocked from wikipedia usually means you have done something bad (see WP:BLOCK), which I doubt you will do, If you want to know what the wikipedia community talks about, see: The Village Pump. Prabash.Akmeemana 21:42, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
- I have answered these questions as fully as possible at User talk:Keeby101 where they were originally posted, and which is the best venue for the answers. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Complete a full block on a user?
I noticed that you declined a username request for User:Speirosmusic. He's been declined several times and at this point he's just using his talk page to spout vitrol and abuse about the editors. I'd block him from editing his talk page since there's not a snowball's chance of him getting unblocked anytime soon, but I'm involved in this and it'd look bad. Can you change his block level to where he can't edit his talk page? He has nothing to contribute, doesn't appear to have understood his reasons for blocking, and is just being abusive and attacking people at this point in time. (User talk:Speirosmusic) Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
- I mean, if it was just me then I'd just shrug it off, but he's insulting other editors as well. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
- Done. Has he also removed his block notice and any declined unblocks? I didn't see any ... was going to go back and find where they went (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! I don't see where he's removed anything from what I can see. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Pudeo's block
I didn't link your username in a comment on Pudeo's talk page (and therefore you didn't get a notification), so, in case you care to know, I unblocked Pudeo (talk · contribs), an editor whose unblock request you rejected a few days ago. As I said in my review notice, it was obvious the offending edit was a mistake -- as Pudeo stated during his first unblock request. -- tariqabjotu 02:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
- I cannot believe you can see that as a mistake - it's very clearly not, and I've re-read that entire exchange a dozen times or so. However, in your unblock you've now trashed the blocking admin and myself - poorly done. It's one thing to accept that it might not happen again, or to give a huge amount of benefit of the doubt, but to trash my (and the blocking admin) ability to read the English language is absolutely uncalled for. You can let the editor off, but don't trash the admins who actually did their job while doing so. Disgusting. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
- Tariq explains clearly why it was an obvious erroneous block in his unblock rationale. Read it carefully. If you think he's mistaken, take it to your peers at WP:AN for their input. Calling him or his behaviour disgusting just makes you look foolish and petulant, and compounds the impression that your judgment and treatment of people disqualifies you from sanctioning or "controlling" anyone but very obvious vandals and confirmed socks. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 10:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, I did read it carefully, and casting aspersions on one's colleagues is never kosher. Why in <insert deity>'s name would I go to AN when it's far less drama to politely bring it to tariq's attention so that in the future they may remember that their colleagues are also human, and don't appreciate being trashed for no reason. I cannot fathom why you'd suggest immediately jumping into drama - pretty sure tariq and I can work this out like adults. I expect better from you Anthony - really, I'm a bit surprised by the content and tone of the above, and the sudden desire to come here and taunt me. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
- Politely? My comment was prompted by your "disgusting" comment that you dramatically chose to trumpet in your edit summary. I know you mean well but I have a lot of problems with the way you interact with others, and am of the view that you shouldn't sanctioning others here. I'll be very interested to see if, on reflection or with the help of others, you ever come round to acknowledging that you upheld a very bad block. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
- I see your good faith isn't working today - that's a shame. I'll be interested to see if, on reflection or with the help of others, you ever get it back. I don't believe you and I have ever had negative interactions - I cannot fathom why you'd get a stick in your butt regarding me suddenly today. Whether you believe it was a bad block or not, you too have to WP:AGF, or else there's no need for anyone to take any advice from you. You randomly showed up here in attack mode when none was required - and inserted yourself into an attempt for me to politely discuss this with Tariq, while showing I was offended by his phrasing of things - brilliantly done! (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
- Politely? My comment was prompted by your "disgusting" comment that you dramatically chose to trumpet in your edit summary. I know you mean well but I have a lot of problems with the way you interact with others, and am of the view that you shouldn't sanctioning others here. I'll be very interested to see if, on reflection or with the help of others, you ever come round to acknowledging that you upheld a very bad block. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)