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THIS IS A BLOCK FREE and a DON'T HASSLE MY COMPANY ZONE
As of this moment, this talk page is a 'BLOCK FREE' Zone. Any previous bans or other editor restrictions are rescinded and no longer enforcable. Blatant and obvious (although, who's to say what's obvious) acts of in-civility will not be tolerated. They will, however, not be punishable. (kinda like when your Mom told you to stop wiping your boogers off on the dining room table)
Co-operation is a learned skill
Alastair Haines (talk) 02:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Disclaimer
In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican.-- H. L. Mencken
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.--Napoleon
Hornet's Nest
We are Wikipedia collaborators not Internet adversaries. The “back and forth” between editors MUST be congenial. For generations, writers of all kinds have corresponded. In order to maintain a working relationship they rarely, if ever, attacked each other. We do not create articles or edit them in isolation. By "Leave the room" I don't mean back down....just "back up". When you stumble upon a hornets nest, you don't keep hitting it. You back up...for your own well-being. The hornets are not going to change. They like being hornets. You tried ANI. Neither of you are satisfied with the results. But many editors and admins saw what happened and will file it in their memory. I don't like bullies/hornets any more than you two do. I just have learned not to get stung. The article isn't going anywhere. Watch it and wait for com-patriots. WP editing should be enjoyable, not aggravating. ```Buster Seven Talk 08:14, 17 August 2012 (UTC) Reply to Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
- There are many jobs at the Zoo. And Many Many happy workers. Pick a job that needs doing. And be happy. Leaving the Zoo is always an option. I love this Zoo. Maybe that's the difference. What you call "zoo" is just one of the hundreds (or is it hundreds of thousands) of enviroments here. I would suggest you leave the zoo and find an environment more condusive to your greatness. Or stay in the zoo and be fretful and unhappy. ``Buster Seven Talk 09:19, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
To answer your question
There is no such user as User:Dangerous Panda - it's merely a signature that links to my actual account. However, if you click on User talk:Bwilkins or indeed User:EatsShootsAndLeaves, you can see that the two accounts are validly linked, as per the policy on alternate accounts. Feel free to ask me directly if you have further questions dangerouspanda 20:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- Why do you sign as dangerous panda? Isn't that confusing to the unsuspecting reader. Should we really expect our readers to go to the talk page of every editor they encounter to see if they have an alternate acct. and they might be editing under two or more user names? Or that User:Buster7 sometimes calls himself User:MusclesfromBrussels? I think it just confuses things without any real purpose. Unless there is a real purpose. I only now realized that the three names you edit under were one in the same person. I see now that the two accounts are linked but it is definitely not obvious. Do you have multiple personalities? I don't get it. What's the point? ```Buster Seven Talk 21:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please go to WP:CHU and see the section entitled Please consider the following alternatives to a rename - it discusses exactly what I'm doing. The linking of the accounts is obvious - all you have to do is click, as per policy. I will also assume you've gone through my contributions and found this. dangerouspanda 21:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- 1)No. I have not gone thru your contributions. I will read it later this evening. 2) I will also go to WP:CHU later to see what it says. Thanks for the info. 3)No. It is not obvious. It is hidden in a Userbox. A clear bolded explanation across the top of the two user pages would be obvious. Userboxes are not obvious. They are like pictures on a wall at the library. Obvious only if I look at them. ```Buster Seven Talk 21:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- Buster...I feel ya on this one! LOL! This has been a point of contention for many users who feel that some editors are allowed more accounts then the policy actually allows, but as another editor and admin just mentioned to me...multiple accounts are not a problem...just when they are abused. The editor has indeed followed policy and proceedure...but you are also correct that this just confuses people. It would help if all editors were expected to use one single registered account...but who knows what mess that would create now.--Amadscientist (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Would you want an admin editing from the local hacked library computer, and have their password captured? dangerouspanda 09:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Everywhere you go Panda, this subject comes up. Isn't it about time you do something about it? — Jason Sosa 10:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- ...and you were advised by more than one admin that you were going to be blocked if you kept it up, right? dangerouspanda 08:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- I am allowed to make observations, especially when the subject occurs post September with other editors. Thanks, — Jason Sosa 13:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- No sir, you were advised to stop commenting about my usernames because as noted to you a billion times, nothing is wrong. You are merely continuing you harassment. Stop dangerouspanda 21:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- It was determined in September that I was on a mission against you. I desisted from said mission. As a wikipedian, I can make observations especially when other editors make the same observations before me. — Jason Sosa 15:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please note the thread below. This as a block free zone and a Don't hassle my company zone. If you want to chastise Jason for being naughty, please do it elswhere. Thank You. ```Buster Seven Talk 21:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- No sir, you were advised to stop commenting about my usernames because as noted to you a billion times, nothing is wrong. You are merely continuing you harassment. Stop dangerouspanda 21:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- I am allowed to make observations, especially when the subject occurs post September with other editors. Thanks, — Jason Sosa 13:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- ...and you were advised by more than one admin that you were going to be blocked if you kept it up, right? dangerouspanda 08:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Everywhere you go Panda, this subject comes up. Isn't it about time you do something about it? — Jason Sosa 10:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Would you want an admin editing from the local hacked library computer, and have their password captured? dangerouspanda 09:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- 1)No. I have not gone thru your contributions. I will read it later this evening. 2) I will also go to WP:CHU later to see what it says. Thanks for the info. 3)No. It is not obvious. It is hidden in a Userbox. A clear bolded explanation across the top of the two user pages would be obvious. Userboxes are not obvious. They are like pictures on a wall at the library. Obvious only if I look at them. ```Buster Seven Talk 21:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please go to WP:CHU and see the section entitled Please consider the following alternatives to a rename - it discusses exactly what I'm doing. The linking of the accounts is obvious - all you have to do is click, as per policy. I will also assume you've gone through my contributions and found this. dangerouspanda 21:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
@ Admin/User:BWilkins. I didn't ask you because my experience has been that you are a bit too aggresive for my taste, you are unwilling to admit any fault on your part and that you become defensive at the sign of percieved slight/frustration. As to your multiple accts, I really had no idea it was alraedy a topic of wide discussion. I was just curious. That's all. No harm intended.BTW..I have yet to look at your suggested readings from above. I'll do that now. ```Buster Seven Talk 13:01, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Buster, I don't recall us having negative interactions :-) dangerouspanda 08:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- I am a Wikipedia Wanderer. I am basically referring to interactions you have had with other editors, that I have witnessed. We did have a slight conversation. Don't remember where. It was not pleasant. ```Buster Seven Talk 12:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
An easy way to add references
Here's how to add references from reliable sources for the content you add to Wikipedia (which helps maintain our policy of verifiability). Adding a well formatted references is very easy to do.
- While editing any article or a wikipage, on the top of the edit window you will see a toolbar which says "Cite"...click on it.
- Then click on "Templates".
- Choose the most appropriate template and just fill as many details as you can, this will add a well formatted reference that would be helpful in case the website link (web URL) becomes inactive (dead/link rot) after some time.
- Click on Show preview to make sure that the reference looks the way you want.
- Click on Save page to save your edits.
You can read more about it on Help:Edit toolbar or see this video File:RefTools.ogv. Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 19:29, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
- huh....I did not realise this. Glad I stalked Busters page today! LOL! ;)--Amadscientist (talk) 23:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
--Amadscientist (talk) 05:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Good Advice
- From dialogue with User:Imprompt2 (without bolding)
This is very important to understand. Your comment implies a fellow editor is intentionally trying to harm you. It displays a complete misunderstanding of our mutual roles here at Wikipedia. Editor User:Cindamuse is not your adversary. She is your fellow editor, fellow collaborator, fellow teacher. She has ONLY the best intentions for the article. That you can be sure of. To continually imply otherwise shows you really don't yet understand the role of your fellow editors. Most times new editors are concerned only with the article they have just created. But, experienced editors like Cindamuse are more concerned with the Encyclopedia as a whole. I know you are a new user and you hold this the article and your edits to it and your word choices and your particular references as precious and you can't bear to see them changed. You have great pride in your work and rightfully so. But saving it in its original form has become a mission. Because you have misunderstood some basic facts, you see experienced editors like Cindamuse as having a "cruel hands". That could not be further from the truth. Once you change your opinion of her and what she is doing you will be on the path to a happier Wikipedia career. It's always up to you. ```Buster Seven Talk 08:18, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
- From President Obama's 11/15/12 News Conference regarding the Fiscal Cliff:
- "....fair-minded people CAN come to agreement. Compromise is hard...not everyon gets what they want."
tools
Hi, Buster! hey, you will find a whole page of tools here. There are two that I find really useful...Reflinks and Dab Solver. They actually have the landing page for Dab Solver set up kinda like a game, so you can go to a subject area that you have some knowledge on and get a list of pages needing disambiguation. It is kinda fun. Reflinks you use on a page that has bare URL references and it grabs metadata from the webpage and fills out the "cite web" template for the reference automatically. Hope you have some fun and relaxation in your wikiworld with them. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The whole Wiki model is a community
- http://www.salon.com/2009/03/24/wikipedia/ Interview w/ Andrew Lih.
- You make a strong argument that Wikipedia and the whole Wiki model is a community. People aren’t going to Wikipedia to write funny posts or do pranks — this is a committed group of people who genuinely come to know one another. Is that communal aspect part of the reason Wikipedia has worked so well?
- Yes. Something that fascinates outsiders is how seriously people consider these policies. The type of conversations you have on Wikipedia are the kinds you’d see in newspaper newsrooms or at an academic faculty meeting. What are the criteria for making sure something is verifiable? What are the policies we should implement to include a lot of people but also ensure quality? There is thoughtful deliberation behind the management of millions of articles. This is not a top-down model but a very Quaker-esque consensus model.
- You also mention this theory called the Piranha effect, which, to really roughly summarize, is that if you have a bunch of people nibbling on the same subject, they’ll devour it really well. With their new policies, is Wikipedia now moving away from that and becoming more hierarchical, reliant on experts, which is exactly what they were against when they started?
- Encyclopedia writing was a perfect match for Wiki style. Encyclopedia writing is pretty well understood — using the inverted pyramid, where the first three sentences give a complete summary of what you’re about to read and as you go down the article gives you an elaboration of the basic information. It’s very structured data.
Flamethrowers
I propose replacing ALL guns and firearms with flamethrowers since flamethrowers pose many risks to the operator of the flamethrower.
- The first disadvantage was the weapon's weight, which impairs the operator's mobility.
- The weapon is limited to only a few seconds of burn time since it uses fuel very quickly, requiring the operator to be precise and conservative. The opportunity for massive human casualties is lessened.
- The flamethrower will be very visible as the operator walks around the neighborhood or toward his intended target which will cause operators to become immediately singled out as prominent targets for police envolvement.
- Flamethrower operators are rarely taken prisoner; captured flamethrower users are summarily executed at the site of capture.
- Finally, the flamethrower's effective range is short in comparison with that of other "human killing" weapons of similar size. To be effective, flamethrower users must approach their target, risking exposure to discovery and police intervention. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:49, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, a flamethrower..? [Darwinbish considers mounting a flamethrower on her santa hat next year, compare this year's morning star hat.] What do they even look like..? Well, as long as I get one the right size... [Db loses herself in happy speculation.] Thanks for the tip! darwinbish BITE 15:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC).
Volunteer
I am just a volunteer at the customs gate handing out Rules of the Road pamphlete. I might watch some as they drive off... to see how they are doing (speed, staying in their lane, texting while driving, etc). But ...I dont look in their eyes to see their intent...even if the name on their passport is a hint as to their purpose. Some other volunteer, down the road, has taken on that job. ```Buster Seven Talk 16:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Dialect
East-Flemish comprises a non-standardized, heterogenous group of Low Franconian dialects. These are mainly spoken in the Belgian province of East Flanders, as well as in the south and east of Zeelandic Flanders, the southeast of West Flanders, Zwijndrecht and possibly some hamlets in the north of Hainaut.
Ducks deserve more protection than kids
Why do gun advocates think ducks deserve more protection than our children do? That's what some people are saying. We've had a gun magazine capacity limit in place for decades for duck hunters of three rounds. Any more and you lose your right to hunt ducks, pay a heafty fine, and could even go to jail. You are also reqired by law to use less lethal, but still effective, steel shot. To protect our citizens however, including our children, the gun advocates say ten rounds is too restrictive. The fact is that what was uniformly accepted to protect migratory birds is a bridge to far when it comes to protecting people. The time to coddle the gun advocates has passed. They can escape reality in their own homes and on subjects that do not endanger the rest of the nation, but on this topic the time to act is now. People ARE more important than waterfowl, and I'm tired of hearing that one person's right to play Army with their drinking buddies trumps another's right to life. They are endangering society for absolutely no reason. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar of sense of humour for you!
And a flatbed trolley as a gift | |
When I am trolling around, I always see good humour in your TP. Therefore I decided to present you with this trolley, which you may give as a gift to Buster:3.5 to play with, or you can use it to carry your beer. All the best. E4024 (talk) 15:13, 2 February 2013 (UTC) |
- Thank you so much! It will definetely come in handy as I wander about harvesting this and that. As far as regifting to Buster:3.5, not a good idea. Anything with too many movable parts confuses him. He carrys most of his belongings in a brown paper bag. I once gave him a shopping cart, used of course. He just looked at it, befuddled as to what it was for. He thought it was a portable bird cage. O well...the cart is already half loaded with SPG beer and salted nuts and pickled herring and a chocalatte cake and Cheez-whiz and hard-boiled eggs and french fried onions and mac-n-cheese and Hostess Twinkees and .....```Buster Seven Talk 19:00, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Editor of the Week
Hi Buster, thanks for nominating me for Editor of the Week. I was very surprised by that message on my talk page. I hope the new year has been going well for you. —Diiscool (talk) 02:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Change you mind
Once you start to edit the tape that plays in your head, the one that controls your moods and emotions, your convictions and doubts, things will change. Your outlook, how you see and deal with the world you work and live in, is a composite of all your experiences. But, most likely, you decided who you were and who you would become around the age of 5. Your responses to life, the choices that you made, the limitations that you established about yourself are basically the decisions of a 5 year old unless, as an adult, you have changed your mind about who you are and how you will react to the life that confronts you on a daily basis. To often, people "grow-up" but they don't "know-up".```Buster Seven Talk 15:51, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
hi, thank you very much for the welcome message
I have written a large article on a quite famous artist from my hometown Amsterdam, Guillaume Lo-A-Njoe.* I was using mostly dutch references.Is this ok for the english wikipedia? I think he is eligible for introduction; a german and dutch wiki about him exist,yet there is not too much sourcematerial available in english,which is I thought a good reason to write an english wiki.How to be able to include enough references i don know,can you advice. Maybe there is a way that the dutch references from which I compiled the english wikipage on him, are qualifying as good referebces? cheers, Bibo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbibo (talk • contribs) 17:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hello. I will be very glad to work along side you on your article. Can you provide some links to your article so that I can peruse it and plan our strategy.?? Guillaume Lo-A-Njoe comes up as a redlink so I dont know where your article is. I suggest we move it to a sandbox during construction. ```Buster Seven Talk 17:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC).
- I have found it at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Guillaume Lo-A-Njoe. I have done some minimal copy editing. Let's wait and see what they say.```Buster Seven Talk 17:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- BTW...I was born near Antwerp. ```Buster Seven Talk 19:07, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi thank you very much :-) Great to hear you want to co operate on my article, yes I saw your editing,thanks!Much better readable.. So you're actually Vlaams ? Do you speak Dutch too then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbibo (talk • contribs) 00:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- No. I don't speak dutch. I speak an old Flemish dialect from the town of Stekene. Having been in America since 1951, the dialect I speak has not gone thru any Algemeen Nederlands transition in the 60's. You might say the Flemish that I speak is in a time warp.
- Google Translation:Nee, ik spreek geen Nederlands. Ik spreek een oud Vlaams dialect van de stad Stekene. Nadat in Amerika sinds 1951, heeft het dialect spreek ik niet gegaan thru geen Algemeen Nederlands overgang in de jaren 60. Je zou kunnen zeggen dat de Vlaamse, dat ik spreek in een time warp.
- Stekese: Nee, ik prate hijn Nederlanse. Ik prate nan oud Vlaamss taal van dec stat Stekene. Wij zijn in America van 1951, an de taal dannek ik spreek is nee gegaan door Algemeen Nederlanse overgang in de jaren van de 60's. Hij kuit zeggen da mij Vlaamse is in nan time warp.
Actually, the dialect that I speak is almost lost in Belgium. Only the old-timers can fully understand me when I speak what I know to be Vlaams. Another issue is that I rarely had to write anything in Vlaams, maybe a Christmas card now and then. So, I don't know the correct Flemish spelling of the words. and, that is complicated by the fact that when I try to spell out the sounds that I make, I use American sound descriptors which are different than those in the Low Countries. Over the years I have created my own Wordenboek to help me with the spelling/translation. A good example of what I mean is...I have found that I can understand Africaans much better than I can understand Nederlanse. I don't mean to offend by saying I don't speak Dutch. Its like telling an old Sicilian that he speaks Italian. He would say, "No. I speak Sicilian!". Dutch has become the word that describes our common tongue. But in the process, Flemish in all its many taals, has died. My kids know only a few dozen words. They don't hear it much any more. Hardly at all. All the old folks that speak it have died. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:17, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Reply
Do you know me in real life? This is kind of important for me. Please reply here or on my talk. Thank you. Mr T(Talk?) 06:31, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- No, I dont think so. The birthday wishes were for your first edit, Feb 8, 2012. ```Buster Seven Talk 07:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
You've prompted me to start...
a quote of the week section on the top of my user page. Congratulations on being quoted, I'm sure that's all you've ever wanted in life. =p Go Phightins! 03:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'm honored. At least I think I'm honored? ```Buster Seven Talk 06:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I stumbled upon the article Active shooter. At work (security related), we had the Local Chief of Police advise us on strategies and tactics and I wanted to see what our beloved WP had to say on the subject. I had to make some quick changes because the article promoted individual, rather than police, response. I seriously think the NRA wrote the article. Interestingly, there has been very little talk or discussion on the talk pages. I don't know how any of my stalkers feel about it, but the most insidious argument for un-regulated gun ownership is that arming the victim is the best deterent to these "crazed killers". Most studies NOT conducted by the NRA reveal a opposite result. Anyway, I am going to start editing the article, with care and consideration. Mis-information and improper guidance is being promoted. I'm SURE I will get a backlash. I just wanted to let some friends know that I was "going into the enferno." ```Buster Seven Talk 20:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Editor of the Week committees
When I first revised the proposed selection process to include the phrase "selection committee", I was just using it as a convenient way to refer to whomever would be vetting the nominations, with the thought that the details could be revised as necessary once a consensus was reached on how nominations would be approved. The way it's turned out, I think the screening is pretty lightweight, with a lot of trust placed in the nominator, so a formal selection committee probably isn't needed. Yeah, it probably means some less-than-stellar recipients will sneak through at some point, but as long as there is some specific good work being recognized, the objective of the award will still be served.
In theory, a steering committee could be useful, to review the effectiveness of the recognition and potentially propose changes. But in the spirit of Wikipedia's collaborative nature, and with the fluid participation levels of volunteers, it's probably not worth the potential for discouraging the involvement of others, particularly during this initial phase. isaacl (talk) 00:50, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. From the beginning I wanted to keep the workload and management to a minimum. It was just a thought and this early stage was the time to bring it up. I think all is going extremely well. ```Buster Seven Talk 02:07, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
crap
Don't drink too much . Always rermember to have a ```Buster Seven Talk 21:47, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution
Wikipedia:WikiProject Conflict Resolution.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Precious again
koekjes and serenity
Thank you for providing me with what I need before I even realize that I need it, thoughts about peace, - you are an awesome Wikipedian (8 August 2010, 28 January 2011)!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
A year ago, you were the 64th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, - and he who said peace is back again! I am happy to report that I could move three wonderful people on the sad list yesterday, tell WER ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
TY
A bit delayed, but I did want to thank you for your comments on my talk recently. I have to admit, I'm one of the lucky ones in that I have a HUGE support group, and I consider you one of them. Thanks for the kind words. :) — Ched : ? 15:49, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
cookies!
Here's a plate full of cookies to share! | |
Hi Buster7, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! Amadscientist (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC) |
Crunch!Crunch!Crunch! "tanksh", Buster Seven Talk 00:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
The Special Barnstar | |
A Special one for a very special person! If you've forgotten me, I'm The Wikimon and I thank you for all Barnstar that you gave me, makes me very proud!! The Wikimon (talk) 13:41, 28 March 2013 (UTC) |
I hope all is going well for you. Since I havent seen your poster up on the wall at the WikiLand Post Office, Can I assume that everything is OK? I don't know what your WikiActivities aree but I hope you're having fun. ```Buster Seven Talk 13:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- Everything's great!! I've already reached my 200th edit, and I make small and decisive edits and so they aren't visible.. WikiActivities very soon! And what does the Wikiland PO mean??? The Wikimon (talk) 14:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- It's just a joke. WikiWorld, WikiLand, Jimbos Joint. Its what you enter when you sign in. In RL, the US Post Office use to post the 10 Most Wanted Criminals up on the Wall for citizens to see. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:29, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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- Wadda ya mean "2 many Cookies". there's not enuff!. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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Un-retire?
- – In an effort to re-juvenate the WER/R and R team I contacted User Petrarchan47
I am a WP Wanderer. I am involved with the BP article because I saw you conversation w/ Slim Virgin regarding the Paid editor situation. I am also one of the original members of the WER project and its sub-project Editor of the Week. Your plight and the fact that it caused you to retire has been on my mind since. When an editor like you retires, WP and the community lose so much. Not just the work you do is missed but your attitude, your way of being, the congenial way you work with fellow editors. I'm not sure but I think you got involved with a 'ruff crowd' a bit too early in your WP career. The same thing happened to me. I was a rookie and I was doing battle with veterans at the Sara Palin page during the 2008 Election period. We were lucky. There was a group of editors that, while they obviously supported Palin, at least could be fair and relatively impartial. Looks like your experience at BP was different. It was just you and Gandydancer.
I wonder if you might consider renewing you enthusiasm for Wikipedia editing. It doesnt have to be at articles like BP or Chevron. That would be nice and you are more than welcome. A restructuring is taking place that you might find very intertesting. But, it can be in any one of a thousand ways. Your voice needs to be heard. Others will try to drown it out with their chatter and their divisiveness but your voice needs to be heard. I hope I am not to presumptuous in this request. As I said, your forced retirement bothered me. I support whatever you decide. ```Buster Seven Talk 20:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, Buster7, for the heart you put into this project as well as the kind words of support for me. Briefly, I am willing to help with the BP page on one condition: that we can also give the BP oil spill page the same treatment. FYI, BP is this very week in court defending itself against possible charges of gross negligence. BP has in the past used this Wiki article in trial! (Link to this is at top of the article's talk page) Recently scrubbed from the article are two Al Jazeera refs which talk about human health effects from the spill. Beagle and Martin Hogbin (who has never worked on the article previously) removed the mention of people dying as well as perfectly good, supportive RS. This is just one example of what is happening at that article and its spin-off articles. When I try to remedy what has been scrubbed, the result is that more (pro-BP) editors come in and together will delete other stuff for dubious reasons. It's a very immature game and those seeking information about the largest environmental disaster in US history are the ones loosing out. I am no longer effective as an editor there as Beagle has declared war against me, as is evidenced by her edits, comments and arguments. I don't call other editors for help in arguing my (guideline-supported) points because I don't know any. But the team on the 'other side' has a seemingly endless supply of folks to argue and fight for the pro-BP, pro-Big Oil, and pro-Official Government versions.
- After seeing the reaction of the Wiki community and the Jimbo talk page to the news that BP's article contained words straight from BP's PR dept, I can tell you that I no longer have faith in this project overall. And that breaks my heart to say to you. Until I witnessed the reaction from the Higher Ups, I was under the impression that Wikipedia, regardless of who founded it, did not belong to and was not swayed by any particular Ego. I thought it belonged to me, and to you and to millions of individuals who want unadulterated information, sans commercials, not normally found in corporate-funded mainstream media.
- I thought that surely if there was someone, or a group of someones, in charge of making sure Wiki was running as intended, they would immediately act on behalf of NPOV, Truth, Science if shown that these things are being hurt by (in this case) corporate influence. I further thought that 'nobody' editors like me would be supported by this same group. But what I witnessed was ridiculous, over-the-top displays of adoration and support for all-things-BP. I saw broken promises to "analyze" the added content for spin, missing info, etc., as well as the editors who approved of and submitted content. In one case we have Silver Seren - the sole 'reviewer' and submitter of the last BP PR draft. Was his editing behaviour appropriate? I think an analysis remains in order. I would look at the fact that Silver never showed any interest in the article itself prior to this addition and has not been seen at the BP talk page since the initial frenzy.
- Wiki rules allow for this type of activity, and the High Ups apparently see nothing wrong with this, but rather with those who call attention to it. The only follow-up to the promised analysis was to badmouth one of the whistle-blowers as "sufficiently biased" whose work doesn't deserve a second look. IMO, this reaction has the emotional maturity level of a dysfunctional 9 year-old. Unless and until Wikipedia is truly handed over to 'us', the little people, I'm afraid I just don't see how it can be free of the ingrained and deeply-rooted corruption I am witnessing. I mentioned in my SlimVirgin response that it felt as if Wikipedia didn't have my back when I was pointing out corporate spin. I was told in no uncertain terms, by the aforementioned talk page activity, that I was exactly right (unless I'm BP).
- So yes, I'm willing to point out things on both the BP and BP oil spill pages in the same way a COI editor is encouraged to do: show inaccuracies, spin, and supply supportive refs, and missing facts. Hopefully I would have some fraction of the support and love from the community for my efforts that is shown to a BP employee, but I sure don't expect it. As for returning to help Wikipedia as an enthusiastic editor, no. Not until things have changed. Wikipedia is most absolutely and massively slanted towards special interests. Spin is allowed in their favor, but not the other direction (and shouldn't be allowed at all). So this means all our hard work is wasted time, as Gandy recently noted - we can spend hundreds of hours on an article and it can be scrubbed/changed/spun in an instant. That fact that this behaviour was given a very public thumbs-up recently has only compounded the problem (at least at the BP oil spill page).
- Picture this: the tar sands ("Canadian oil sands") section written by a Greenpeace PR team, presented at the BP talk page and approved/added word-for-word to the BP article. Imagine if their first reference is to a 12-page brochure on the Greenpeace website about tar sands. Imagine this brochure quotes science that has the greenhouse gas emissions (tar sands' biggest problem) estimated at 56% instead of the accepted science from Stanford of a 23% increase. Imagine if this was pointed out to the Higher Ups, posted to Jimbo's talk page and the result was an overwhelming "Oh well". This is conversely the exact thing that happened. Presently the tar sands section is straight from BP PR and uses as its first ref. a nice shiny PDF from BP's website about tar sands which quotes a greenhouse gas emissions figure nearly 20% less than what is accepted by the scientific community. I showed this and that the BP version is indeed sanitized to the point of being useless and less informative than the previous (non-BP) version. If it's BP doing it, the community trips over itself defending the company and practices that allowed this. But what if it had been an environmental group instead? I can imagine the response would be dramatically different. Such a realization should stop us in our tracks and make us question: what is going on behind the scenes? Wikipedia purports to be interested in NPOV but when this claim is held up to the light, what emerges is a disturbing amount of personal attacks and obfuscation. Sometimes what used to feel like a community of exceedingly sharp minds (Wikipedia) feels more like MySpace. I just don't see how that can change until the High Ups who behave like this acknowledge their limitations & step down for the good of the Project. petrarchan47tc 02:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hello,
As I have been saying for pretty long now, I wont be active enough to do all/most/any work with the infoboxes at EotW in the next few weeks. And I really love having those grand boxes for any of our EotWs. Gives a real special feeling to the recipient. Which is why I hate to see nobody doing them, or doing them late (or making an averagey infobox) because I really want EotW to continue being awesome.
So could you please someone who could be willing to step up to the task? I've already pinged Amadscientist. Others who could do it would be Isaacl, Go Phigstins or Automatic Strikeout. In the interests of the project, I think its best we convince one of these (or maybe someone even outside EotW - Maybe from WER?) to help full time with the infoboxes to ensure smooth awarding.
Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:39, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Feedback please
Buster, at the BP article you just said, @ Coretheapple. What concerns me is that you are so consumed with important corporate news events that you don't even realize when you insult and demoralize an editor that is on your side. Maybe this is why you and gandy wind up alone. Your inconsiderate comments drive supporters away. You should just worry about yourself. Don't worry about what I'm doing. Whatever I do is for the good of the article. I'd like an apology but I probably won't get one since you pretty much ignored everything I said at 7:49.
Rather than discuss this on the talk page (though that would be fine with me as well if you prefer that) I would like to try and clear this up. I have been under the impression that I have been "alone" because my position is so different than that of Beagle, Rangoon, Martin, and a few other past editors. I was not alone as long as Petrarchan and Binksternet were active and I am sure that I did not drive them away. In fact, I don't think I've ever driven anyone away. I can see how Core has just hurt your feelings and was in the process of posting my thoughts--that we all have our own special place for the article and should realize that we can not spread ourselves so thin as to be active in every aspect of the article--when you posted the above edit.
For instance, it seems that tar sands are very important to Petrarchan right now and I spent some time this morning reading up on that but I still count on her to do most of the edit work with that aspect. Or for instance stock issues, I will never even bother to learn anything about them. I asked Jtydog about working together on the Prudhoe Bay article because even though we generally do not see eye to eye, he's good at organization and I think we would be able to produce an improved article. I, for one, am certainly happy that you are willing to vet Arturo's suggestions. I believe that Core is wrong to say otherwise.
If you see something about me that I'm not seeing, I really do want to discuss it. I spent some years working with clients in group therapy and I know that one can be blind to their own faults, though I did think that I had been around the block enough times to have a fair idea of my own. Looking forward to your feedback. Best, Gandy Gandydancer (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC) If you prefer, feel free to move this discussion to my talk page instead. Gandydancer (talk) 13:34, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you so much Gandy. I have always had the utmost respect for your energy and your editing. What you say means alot. I want to be part of the team that improves the BP article. And It is a Wonderful team. I just left a note w/ Core. I am upset. No doubt about it. But, I'm an old geezer with a short memory so I'll forget about all this in a few days. but in the meantime I appreciate your words of encouragement. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:01, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- "...you and gandy are alone" was just an attempt to soften the blow, the punch-back. I should not have included you but the words and the typing had an emotional flow that was from the heart. Sorry if I "hit" you in the expression of my ire. It was not intended. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- ....I spent some years working with clients in group therapy.... Me too. About 12 years ago, I worked for a couple of years with Lifespring in and around the Chicagoland area. It was a wonderfuul time that still stimulates and supports whatever it is that I do. If its alright with you, if I have feedback I will share it via e-mail. I don't have any right now other than you are a friendly concerned editor that I enjoy working with. TRA! ```Buster Seven Talk 14:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, I'd be willing to wager that I am an older geezer than you are, and that I am probably the oldest editor on that page. Maybe that's the problem? Should I be put out of my misery?Coretheapple (talk) 14:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- ....I spent some years working with clients in group therapy.... Me too. About 12 years ago, I worked for a couple of years with Lifespring in and around the Chicagoland area. It was a wonderfuul time that still stimulates and supports whatever it is that I do. If its alright with you, if I have feedback I will share it via e-mail. I don't have any right now other than you are a friendly concerned editor that I enjoy working with. TRA! ```Buster Seven Talk 14:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- "...you and gandy are alone" was just an attempt to soften the blow, the punch-back. I should not have included you but the words and the typing had an emotional flow that was from the heart. Sorry if I "hit" you in the expression of my ire. It was not intended. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you so much Gandy. I have always had the utmost respect for your energy and your editing. What you say means alot. I want to be part of the team that improves the BP article. And It is a Wonderful team. I just left a note w/ Core. I am upset. No doubt about it. But, I'm an old geezer with a short memory so I'll forget about all this in a few days. but in the meantime I appreciate your words of encouragement. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:01, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm 65 and 2/3rds. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:03, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- Ha. You are a child, with all due respect. Beyond that, I have no comment. Coretheapple (talk) 15:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- User:Buster7/Incivility ```Buster Seven Talk 15:11, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- That's interesting, I'll read it. Coretheapple (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- User:Buster7/Incivility ```Buster Seven Talk 15:11, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- Ha. You are a child, with all due respect. Beyond that, I have no comment. Coretheapple (talk) 15:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Buster, I haven't told you this directly, so since I'm at your talk page I thought I would let you know that your pure heart shines through your work so brightly that, although I was very happy in retirement, your request was impossible to resist. It is hard to leave Wikipedia while there are editors such as the three of you (Gandy, Core and Buster7) continuing to believe and invest time in this Project.
Also, Gandy I wanted to comment on the tar sands section just to be clear. It isn't something I have cared about, as you probably know by my past editing. I choose it willy-nilly in response to Jimbo's request that the community analyze BP's drafts for spin. I choose it because it was short and thought it wouldn't require as much time on my end. I did spend 5 hours researching, and what I found fueled my recent editing on the BP page. It's such a trap that we are asked to work on contentious material, but when we do, we are labelled and put into a category based on that work. Just like when Rangoon11 asked me what my suggested controversy section of the Intro would be, and after ten days of research I ended up with a wealth of information that has served as a reason to pigeonhole me and call me (essentially) a BP-hater and POV-pusher. Now I'm being called an environmentalist by someone supposedly here to bring a sacred and holy balance to those of us who just can't seem to see things as they really are (eye roll). petrarchan47tc 20:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh! Sorry--I missed the further conversation till just now. It is so good to have you back Petra! I will find time a little later today to write a longer note. I've been as busy as a beaver with the article and it has taken all my time. I say, "Strike while the iron is hot!" as both Petra and I know that previous to the Big Bang here it took months to do what can be done in ten minutes right now. Gandydancer (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Editor of the Week infobox
Regarding this edit, note just the contents of the sandbox from {{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/infobox
to the closing }}
should be copied to Template:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Project main page, replacing the existing contents on the template page between {{
and }}
. So the following should be removed from the current "Project main page" template:
===Anne Delong===
{{clear}}
Also, it's better to avoid adding extra whitespace (including carriage returns). Hope this helps! isaacl (talk) 04:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- I see someone else has already gone in and removed the items above (in addition to modifying the text in the infobox). isaacl (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your concern, Isaac. Good to see ya! ```Buster Seven Talk 11:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Note that there is a link at the bottom of Template:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Project main page to the sandbox (it's part of the standard documentation layout for every template), so it isn't necessary to have a talk page for the template just to link to the sandbox. For convenience, links to the sandbox are also located within the administrative procedures for the Editor of the Week initiative. isaacl (talk) 13:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your concern, Isaac. Good to see ya! ```Buster Seven Talk 11:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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Buster, our ideas will be heard. Please feel free to read my more polished version and add your comments here. petrarchan47tc 22:47, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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WP:WER Are we no longer having discussions on nominations?
Just asking, about EotW...
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:20, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- There did not seem to be much conversation generated the last few times. I commented but only twice did someone else. Why wait? All our candidates are top-flight and would more than likely not generate any negative comments. We can change back if you prefer. i personally dont d]\see the need ~``Buster Seven Talk 19:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. We should atleast try and make an effort to ask for comments. A good way would be to be directly asking the people involved with the nominee (through Talkbacks, of course). TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:34, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- We should NOT talk to the nominATOR. If we ask or even do a talkback, we run the risk of the NomiNEE getting wind of the Nomionation. We should only communicate with the nominATOR after the award is dispensed. Which I am doing: thanking them, asking them to visit and congradulate, and selling them on more nominations down the line. The Nominating Page is kind of hidden, off the beateb path. The NominATOR has an idea of an editor to nominate and comes here. But who follows him. Except for the 1/2 dozen of us that look at this page and the nominators that come to nominate, this page is not visited too much. Lets try this : from now on, the nomination stays on the nomination page for one week. After one week, even if there are no "seconds" (the nominator being "first") the user gets moved to the bottom of the Q. ```Buster Seven Talk 20:45, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- thats fine to me. But I'd like something like 2 weeks though. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- OK. Two weeks it is. ```Buster Seven Talk 21:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- It's probably best to discuss these matters at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week, so all interested parties can weigh in. isaacl (talk) 22:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- That's a Great Idea. Feel free to move all or any part of this thread to wherever you feel is appropriate. ```Buster Seven Talk 22:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- thats fine to me. But I'd like something like 2 weeks though. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Update
Hi Buster, wanted you to see this. petrarchan47tc 20:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for sharing this. I will be viewing it a few times so it sinks in. ```Buster Seven Talk 08:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for striking the comment. This is really appreciated as unfortunately that kind of honest acknowledgement of own mistake is quite rare at that talk page. Please accept my apologies describing your comment as false–this was not correct way to describe this. Beagel (talk) 08:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- We all commit forgivable sins. I thought the Churchill referance was very interesting. I just responded too quickily, knee-jerk, before investigating. I admit to a point of view that does not necessarily favor BP. But, I will not let my view get in the way of a good, balanced, fair article. I think we can and will work toward the same goal. ```Buster Seven Talk 08:41, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
More members?
I think handling all the EotW with only the three of us is becoming a bit problematic. I think we should try and reach out to members who've stopped participating (AS will be nice) as well as other new members. So how about we try and invite new members to the EotW program?
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- AS has started his own Golden Editor Award and is busy with that. Gfan will be returning as soon as his glitch is fixed. You might try contacting the past 15 Awardees to see if they might want to join. Active participation can't be forced. Editors either help or they don't. Most of the set-up process is handled and I don't see any problems on the horizon. There are tasks that new (or old) members can plug into. But they can't be forced to. I think the 3 of us are doing fine. ```Buster Seven Talk 22:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'll check around if there are any EotW templates that we can make to send as quick invites. If not, it might be useful to make them. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 23:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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Regarding this edit: Note that unsigned edits do not trigger notifications, and the infoboxes are not signed. Also, if I understand the mechanism correctly, links to the user's talk page won't trigger a notification (and that's why TheOriginalSoni changed the infobox template to point to the user's talk page). Lastly, I suspect a template being transcluded and not substituted won't trigger the notification system, or else it might be prone to be triggered each time a new edit was made to a page that also had a template, but I'd have to do some experimentation to see what happens.
To be honest, I didn't find all the links that various editors added on the nomination page, headings, etc., to point to the user's page to be all that useful, so even without considering the new notification system, I think linking user names to their pages can be dispensed with. isaacl (talk) 23:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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Lifespring founders
Thanks for your welcome, Buster7! Regarding your edits of Lifespring on May 6, please take a look at the source cited by 24.103.72.114 for the claim that John Hanley Sr. was not the sole founder of Lifespring. The reference is, as you say, about Lifestream --- mostly. Down near the bottom of the article, there is info about White, Revell, and Afremow being Lifespring cofounders with Hanley. Interested in your thoughts.--Hill's Angel (talk) 00:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- You caused me to investigate and I came upon this... [1] which, toward the end, provides a bit more info. Having worked for LifeSpring in the 70's I seem to remember hearing that other individuals were involved in the genisis of LifeSpring but Hanley took center stage. let me do some more digging. ```Buster Seven Talk 04:55, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Have been able to do any more digging?--Hill's Angel (talk) 13:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Editor of the Week Nomination
Thanks, I appreciate your recognition! Philipmj24 (talk) 11:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Reminder:NONE of those links are exempt. I need to re-ping Okeyes WMF about getting that section of the project on the exclude list. (Exempt pages, but not the linking styles.) ```Buster Seven Talk 15:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Done...waiting for reply. ```Buster Seven Talk 03:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
You are a Golden Editor!
Good as gold! | |
Hey, Buster. I don't need to tell you about the Golden Editor Award, as you're already well aware of it. I've been giving it out on a somewhat sporadic basis. Today, it is your turn to get the honor as I'm recognizing you for all the work you've done for your fellow Wikipedians, including your participation at EotW. The EotW project has brought smiles and perhaps even tears to the faces of many under-appreciated folks and you should be glad that you are a part of it. Of course, EotW is not the only area in which you have contributed to the encyclopedia, but I chose to focus on it in this instance. Anyway, congrats on your shiny award and have a great day! AutomaticStrikeout ? 03:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC) |
Thank You, Auto. What I know is that the Golden Editor Award is important to you and you do not dispense it without considerable thought. I have grown alot over the past few months and I give credit to editors like you. I am surprised and honored to be included with other fine Golden Editor choices. ```Buster Seven Talk 03:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Regards, AutomaticStrikeout ? 03:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Did you mean to do that?
[2] Yes, but did you mean to undo the html text as well? Bishonen | talk 13:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC).
- Thanks Bish (Can I call yous Bish?) Anything beyond my trusty Channel-locks and a 4 way screwdrivewr and Im lost re: repairs. Can you fix whatever I did wrong? ```Buster Seven Talk 14:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- I went to put back the hidden text, but it was already there... I dunno, these things are mysteries to me. Maybe you deleted a doubling of it. (Call me 'shonen. :-)) Bishonen | talk 15:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC).
- I believe that text comes ever time you use the nominate button. Its supposed to be removed and replaced (by the description) by the nominator. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:26, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- I went to put back the hidden text, but it was already there... I dunno, these things are mysteries to me. Maybe you deleted a doubling of it. (Call me 'shonen. :-)) Bishonen | talk 15:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC).
- Thanks Bish (Can I call yous Bish?) Anything beyond my trusty Channel-locks and a 4 way screwdrivewr and Im lost re: repairs. Can you fix whatever I did wrong? ```Buster Seven Talk 14:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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I suppose this is the million-dollar question, have you ever considered submitting an RfA? There is no one I would rather see bearing the tools than yourself, even if you didn't use them all that often. I would nominate in less than a heartbeat. Go Phightins! 19:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- And I would wholeheartedly support that!! Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks guys. About a month ago another editor suggested the same. He planted the seed and you have both watered it. First, thanks much for the support. You are too generous. And I would do the same for either of you, also in a New York Minute. But I watchlist DBrown's page and I see the giant time-waste that some of his visitors want from him. So Im not sure that I would want to get involved in incidents that are not fruitful for me or for the encyclopedia. Im honored by your consideration but I M BZ. :~) (That was my sons idea of a joke). I'll ask DBrown for some advice on how to prepare for the Mop but from what Ive heard the Satin Robes are heavy and get in the way from swinging the mop. ```Buster Seven Talk 21:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- I will take that answer . One thing I think it is important to note regarding Dennis, and I read and shake my head in a good grief sort of way. Anyway, I think it is important to note that the vast majority of administrators are not hit with so many requests. Dennis welcomes them, and kudos to him, but not all administrators do, and you certainly wouldn't have to (though if you did, I think you would be excellent). Talk it over, let me know when I should start writing :) Go Phightins! 21:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks guys. About a month ago another editor suggested the same. He planted the seed and you have both watered it. First, thanks much for the support. You are too generous. And I would do the same for either of you, also in a New York Minute. But I watchlist DBrown's page and I see the giant time-waste that some of his visitors want from him. So Im not sure that I would want to get involved in incidents that are not fruitful for me or for the encyclopedia. Im honored by your consideration but I M BZ. :~) (That was my sons idea of a joke). I'll ask DBrown for some advice on how to prepare for the Mop but from what Ive heard the Satin Robes are heavy and get in the way from swinging the mop. ```Buster Seven Talk 21:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- And I would wholeheartedly support that!! Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, I believe I was the other editor from a month ago. AutomaticStrikeout ? 22:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. You were. but I was under the impression that you wanted to remain a secret admirer. :~)... ```Buster Seven Talk 22:59, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this? I would be willing to nominate as I'm sure would User:Gtwfan52, User:AutomaticStrikeout, and probably User:Dennis Brown as well. I don't need to nom, but either way, I think you should run. You would be a very strong candidate, in my opinion. Go Phightins! 01:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
- I need some edjumacation. I'll run in August. Thanks for the push. ```Buster Seven Talk 02:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
- This template must be substituted, see Template:Smile for instructions Gtwfan52 (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
WTM 10 years
User:WhisperToMe is completing 10 years of editing and adminship. He is an admin since 2003. Amazing. Has more than 300,000 edits! Can we prepare any surprises for him? --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- AutomaticStrikeout, are you listening. We have a Golden Editor candidate here. It might be nice to give it on the day the editor completes 10 years. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 10:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Something better than Golden Editor! --Tito Dutta (contact) 18:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Nothing is better than Golden Editor! Yes, this is a strong candidate. I like the idea of presenting it on his 10th adminship anniversary, but that won't be for a while yet. AutomaticStrikeout ? 19:01, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Tito, Auto is right. THe Golden Editor Award, while new, is a great reward. But...lets all put our heads together and create something appropriate for WTM. Maybe User Kevinsong can help. How about "Administrator of the Quarter". Four per year. When is WTM's anniversary? ```Buster Seven Talk 21:23, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- His name is suggested at Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways/Nominations#WhisperToMe. I was thinking to ask User:Jalexander to add a Greetings Card with that Shirt or a special honour at the next WikiProject California meetup!
There is no log of 2003 account creation. His userpage says {{User Wikipedian For|year=2003|month=07|day=10}}. So, 10 July. He became admin in November 2003 Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/WhisperToMe! --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:31, 29 May 2013 (UTC) - If you vote at Merchandise, don't mention this discussion or don't give any hint about his 10 years celebration. --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:36, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Or an interview/post at Signpost? --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- The shirt is obviously easy but for the anniversary itself I think we can get him something a bit thicker (and I got approval for it). Do you know when/where the next WP:Cali meetup is expected? If it's near SF obviously I can just deliver it otherwise we can get it somewhere else. Jalexander--WMF 22:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- The San Francisco wiknic is June 23, in Oakland. LA's wiknic is June 22. Tito, I'm not from California, but good try. Only 49 states left to guess. Bgwhite (talk) 23:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hm, he lives in Houston, Texas --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:51, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- No meetup in Houston. Dallas' was canceled. Wikimedia has their main office in San Francisco and a secondary one in Florida... It is 2600 km from San Fran to Houston and 1300 km from Houston to Tampa Bay, Fl. Bgwhite (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- side note: We don't have an office anywhere but SF, we have a (part time?) contractor in Florida for the old datacenter there and a full time staff member in Virginia for that datacenter. We do have a bunch of staff spread out around the world otherwise mostly as a 'work from home' type deal :) Jalexander--WMF 22:40, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hey. I work at home! Can we make a deal? ```Buster Seven Talk 23:22, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, User:Jalexander, I was thinking to say it, will it be possible to invite him to San Francisco's Wikimedia office for a lunch? He'll need to be given the air/travel fare only! I assure you, such things happen! Google organizes summits, Microsoft has a similar program. And of course WMF has such annual program too! I have been invited to Google Office, Claifornia twice (though never attended)! WTM will not need Visa etc too!
Honour by Work from Home member is also a good idea! --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, User:Jalexander, I was thinking to say it, will it be possible to invite him to San Francisco's Wikimedia office for a lunch? He'll need to be given the air/travel fare only! I assure you, such things happen! Google organizes summits, Microsoft has a similar program. And of course WMF has such annual program too! I have been invited to Google Office, Claifornia twice (though never attended)! WTM will not need Visa etc too!
- His name is suggested at Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways/Nominations#WhisperToMe. I was thinking to ask User:Jalexander to add a Greetings Card with that Shirt or a special honour at the next WikiProject California meetup!
- Tito, Auto is right. THe Golden Editor Award, while new, is a great reward. But...lets all put our heads together and create something appropriate for WTM. Maybe User Kevinsong can help. How about "Administrator of the Quarter". Four per year. When is WTM's anniversary? ```Buster Seven Talk 21:23, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Nothing is better than Golden Editor! Yes, this is a strong candidate. I like the idea of presenting it on his 10th adminship anniversary, but that won't be for a while yet. AutomaticStrikeout ? 19:01, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Something better than Golden Editor! --Tito Dutta (contact) 18:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
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EotW Infoboxes
We are dispensing the Infoboxes on Tuesday. With todays, I thought I would add it as a sub-thread to the Award. My question is how do I get it to "center" in the page. Ive tried what I know but it doesn't work. Thanks in advance, ```Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
The Hall of Fame page does it by putting each infobox into a table cell, and centering the table. So you could put the infobox into a one-cell table like so:
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For what it's worth, personally I find it a bit intrusive to have a large infobox without any text flowing next to it; my personal preference is to add the infobox at the top of the section with the recognition notification banner, so the text of the notification and followup responses will appear next to the infobox. isaacl (talk) 23:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- I'll take your advice. Thanks. ```Buster Seven Talk 23:06, 11 June 2013 (U
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Sorry about being away so long, just when I was going to begin following through with the templates, however there was an unfortunate illness and sudden death in my spouses family and there was little room to think of any other matter for some time. Still some issues to be dealt with and my availability very sketchy over the next few weeks still for sure. Trying to help the family with issues and help them to better understand the mountain of documentation, paperwork and legal terms etc.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Completely understand. Family comes first. Whatever template problem there was (tell the truth, I forgot) can wait for weeks. Best of luck with your situations. ```Buster Seven Talk 12:17, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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- Thanks for both. My attention was more on the Hawks. ```Buster Seven Talk 12:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Buster, just a note to say thank you very much for the Mind the Gap barnstar. Your thoughtfulness is very much appreciated. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 03:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).
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What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.
The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.
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I thought that your comments about games were meant for another editor. No problem.
I think that retaining female editors requires more attention to incivility, rather than giving them a fluffy lightweight edit interface that isn't fully debugged (and therefore more unfriendly than Wiki markup. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:10, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Today's thread at WER
Hi, Buster! Although you kinda drove the thread way off-topic, I couldn't agree with you more about respect for women. I feel we are both showing our age, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Just because I insist on respect for women in general from myself and my son does not mean that I somehow do not respect any particular woman's abilities, accomplishments or talents. I really don't understand how respect for women in general became equated with disrespect for individual women. As you mentioned, every major belief system has as a basic tenet respect for your parents. In today's society it has become such that the only parent many can be sure of is their mother. Their father could have been the guy they know as Dad, some particular (or even random) person from Mom's past, or a test tube.
Just because I like to (to use my Dad's phrase) "play nice around the girls", does not mean that I think any less of the abilities they might have at Wikipedia, or anywhere else for that matter. In my opinion some of the finest editors Wikipedia has are women (User:Gerda Arendt and User:SarahStierch, off the top of my head). If it weren't for some well-timed encouragement from Sarah, I wouldn't be here to be writing this to you.
In short, we may be dinosaurs, but in some respect, the age of dinosaurs (aka the 50's and 60's) weren't as bad as some will paint it. Happy editing, my old friend (in both senses of the word :) ). Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- (watching), blushing again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, Gfan. Yea. I didn't know what to say in response to gandy and what I did say was probably way off-base...(pissing in the sink? Where did that come from?). It's so not like me. I guess I just wanted to show that crudeness and crass behavior are unacceptable. but it has bothered me since so I think I'll go strike it. Thanks. ```Buster Seven Talk 05:12, 6 July 2013 (UTC))
Recent RfC
Hi there Buster, I have a question re your response in the recent RfC The question, Following a recent RfC, there is consensus to include a summary-style section on the 2010 Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill. There is also consensus that the current section is too detailed and should be trimmed, per SUMMARY and UNDUE.
The questions for this RfC are: (1) should the section summarize the environmental and health consequences of the spill, as well as the financial and legal consequences for the company; or should it only summarize the financial and legal consequences for the company? If respondents have other suggestions, please elaborate. And (2) roughly how long should the section be?
And your comment was: Both should be covered. As to length, the two paragraphs from the DWH oil spill article are concise and informative. Rather than summarize (which, to me, implies "whittling" out} some of the important information, I suggest a Wikipedia editor do a re-write...same information, said differently. Nothing removed just relocated.
Since you felt that "both" should be covered I assumed that your suggestion for two paras was in reference to financial/legal consequences in addition to an unspecified number of paras on the health/environmental sections. I was further assured that that was your meaning when Core, the editor that had originally inserted the e/h sections into the article and Petrar, who I know is in favor of a lengthy section, both were in agreement with you.
I'd really appreciate it if you could help me clear this up. Thanks! Best, Gandy Gandydancer (talk) 12:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
- When I did my re-write I imagined that it would be the lead in a thread about the DWH Spill. I thought that there would be sub-threads that would elaborate on the consequences, --Environment--, --Health --, --Financial-- and --Legal--. I though maybe we could cut the size of the section in half to appease other editors worried about the length. I never imagined that what I waa supporting (and I guess looking back, promoting) was the complete destruction of the section. I'm not sure if Petra and Core were in agreement to what I just said. You would have to ask them. Feel free to invite them here if you want.
- When Editor RightCowlLeftCoast made his 18 June suggestion regarding the lead that was at the DWN oil spill article and that it be used at the BP article, he also stated that it could be "summarized ____ further". I didn't like that suggestion of further summarizing because it meant removal of something. That was my thinking when I responded with "Both should be covered. As to length, etc, etc, etc." When the discussion started to talk about # of sentences and how long the paragraphs should be, I still never thought we were talking about replacing 17000 bytes with just two paragraphs. I thought we were working on the lead to a section and further construction of sub-threads would take place. I know that is not what is happening.
- Im not sure if this clears it up or not but I hope so. Best to you. TRA! ```Buster Seven Talk 13:18, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, it really helps a lot. That's about what I thought you meant. Buster, I can hardly say how much I hate disagreements. If you look at my talk page you will see that I recently just ignored V... when he ranted about my edits to an article. That is what I do--just ignore rather than get into debate with a person that to me does not seem to be in the mood for rational conversation. So, it is not at all easy for me to question Slim's decision to limit the section to only two paras "based on consensus" even when I know that she is a excellent and fair editor. But, doing my own count of the comments I just do not see where she came away with the conclusion that respondents felt that the section should be limited to two paras. And even more so when the WP:Consensus page says:
- Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but neither is it determined by the closer's own views about what is the most appropriate policy. The closer is there to judge the consensus of the community, after discarding irrelevant arguments: those that flatly contradict established policy, those based on personal opinion only, those that are logically fallacious, those that show no understanding of the matter of issue.[2] If the discussion shows that some people think one policy is controlling, and some another, the decider is expected to close by judging which view has the predominant number of responsible Wikipedians supporting it, not select himself which is the better policy. He (or she) is not expected to decide the issue, just to judge the result of the debate, and is expected to know policy sufficiently enough to know what arguments are to be excluded as irrelevant. If the consensus of reasonable arguments is opposite to his view, he is expected to decide according to the consensus. He is not to be a judge of the issue, but rather of the argument.
- Certainly I do not want to be a troublemaker, but I am not convinced that the RfC outcome was correct re limiting the DWH to two paras. Perhaps I will ask Petrar and Core for their comments... Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 14:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Here is what the closer said
The topic of this RfC was the summary-style section on the 2010 Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill. On the question of the topic, the vast majority of those commenting supported the position that both the environmental/heath and the financial/legal consequences of the spill should be covered. On the question of the length of the summary, the shortest position was just a few sentences, with the longest being four paragraphs. The middle ground of two paragraphs saw the most support. Several users commented that the length should be determined by the weight in context to the rest of the article. While this must be true to satisfy our neutral point of view policy, I see nothing in this discussion that suggests two paragraphs would give too much or too little weight to this topic. Near the end of the discussion, there were two concrete proposals for the summary. The first did not receive any comment, but the proposal by User:Buster7 had limited support. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
- Let's evaluate how each of us read his closing statement. I'm leaving for work soon so I'll do mine later. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:16, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
- From my read, the problem could be solved by satisfying this need - "I see nothing in this discussion that suggests two paragraphs would give too much or too little weight to this topic" - we simply need a follow up with all the voters to answer this specific question. The closer didn't see opposition to it because we didn't know it was part of the question. A few of us didn't even mention a number at all, so our votes weren't counted. We didn't know that a number was the goal. I would have said 5 paras with the first being a general intro, and 4 to cover the effects and the court happenings. I could see 4 paras if legal matters could be adequately covered in 1 para. And for the record, I agree with every single thing Gandy said just above. petrarchan47tc 03:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- Another note, I see no indication that "dismissing irrelevant arguments" happened. I have brought certain instances of votes that should be pitched, but thus far merely received a "Wiki media has spoken" type response. petrarchan47tc 03:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- Yet another note, I may have seriously misread the comments from the closer on his talk page. I think I need to do more deep breathing. petrarchan47tc 01:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know where I got the idea that Slim closed it... As for Nathan's (is that his name?) closing--I really can't fault him. I can see the way he saw the count. Core, you and I knew what Buster meant but I can see where he didn't. Gandydancer (talk) 03:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not blaming Nathan, but the result is ridiculous, so something didn't quite work out and there must be a common sense way to move forward, starting with throwing out votes from editors who didn't make sensible arguments, as per guidelines you've highlighted. petrarchan47tc 06:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know where I got the idea that Slim closed it... As for Nathan's (is that his name?) closing--I really can't fault him. I can see the way he saw the count. Core, you and I knew what Buster meant but I can see where he didn't. Gandydancer (talk) 03:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Yet another note, I may have seriously misread the comments from the closer on his talk page. I think I need to do more deep breathing. petrarchan47tc 01:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Another note, I see no indication that "dismissing irrelevant arguments" happened. I have brought certain instances of votes that should be pitched, but thus far merely received a "Wiki media has spoken" type response. petrarchan47tc 03:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- From my read, the problem could be solved by satisfying this need - "I see nothing in this discussion that suggests two paragraphs would give too much or too little weight to this topic" - we simply need a follow up with all the voters to answer this specific question. The closer didn't see opposition to it because we didn't know it was part of the question. A few of us didn't even mention a number at all, so our votes weren't counted. We didn't know that a number was the goal. I would have said 5 paras with the first being a general intro, and 4 to cover the effects and the court happenings. I could see 4 paras if legal matters could be adequately covered in 1 para. And for the record, I agree with every single thing Gandy said just above. petrarchan47tc 03:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Consensus is an ongoing process. It may be better to accept this less-than-perfect compromise – with the knowledge that the page and editor collaboration is gradually improving – than to fight to implement a particular "perfect" version. The other editors working at BP are moving forward. We are not malcontents. The quality of articles with combative editors is, as a rule, far lower than that of articles where editors work together. From our discussion here we can all see that we completely mis-understood the RfC's intent and we would like to discount the result. But, let's be serious. That is NOT going to happen. It's best for our mutual healths and well-beings that we move forward with a goal of improving the DWH section by careful re-insertion of "some" of the necessary information. It may seem like we are going back-wards and retreating but the RfC creates a new starting point for everyone to build on - with care for the article and concern for a collaborative mindset. ```Buster Seven Talk 12:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Buster, I hope that your optimism is warranted but I am not seeing any evidence thereof, rather just a continuation of the old attitude viewing the article as a battleground and as a zero-sum game. Coretheapple (talk) 21:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
<edit conflict>
- Buster, I see it just a bit differently. I don't see making common sense statements as being a troublemaker, nor do I see sitting back quietly as helpful to our readers in this case. Also, from the most recent RfC, the most popular idea is to not follow the confines from the previous RfC, but to work with what we have to make a sensible 4 para-ish section. Stating that idea doesn't seem to be causing hard feelings. This is the collaboration process. Also, the previous two RfC were not read correctly because they did not take into consideration bogus arguments (like one stating the spill did no damage to anything anywhere). By the guidelines, these should be thrown out. But this would require the closing admin have a knowledge of the scale of the spill and some details, or else he cannot know what arguments are bogus. To state this is not being a troublemaker, it is following guidelines. petrarchan47tc 22:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I have to go to work...but no one called any one a troublemaker...least of all you, Petra. Gandy said somewhere, up above, that she (?. Still not sure) did not want to be a trouble maker. Can some one invite User:SlimVirgin to this discussion. I really have to go. ```Buster Seven Talk 22:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I was very unclear, Buster. I didn't mean to imply that you called anyone a troublemaker. In a general sense, though, I think the goal of not making waves isn't always one i embrace in life, sometimes waves are just symptom of speaking truth. petrarchan47tc 01:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC) (Not sure why this is bold) petrarchan47tc 01:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Petra. I fixed the bold...your last colon was a "semi-colon". No one doubts your sincerity willingness to speak the truth. ```Buster Seven Talk 01:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I was very unclear, Buster. I didn't mean to imply that you called anyone a troublemaker. In a general sense, though, I think the goal of not making waves isn't always one i embrace in life, sometimes waves are just symptom of speaking truth. petrarchan47tc 01:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC) (Not sure why this is bold) petrarchan47tc 01:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I have to go to work...but no one called any one a troublemaker...least of all you, Petra. Gandy said somewhere, up above, that she (?. Still not sure) did not want to be a trouble maker. Can some one invite User:SlimVirgin to this discussion. I really have to go. ```Buster Seven Talk 22:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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