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:::::I would like to believe that you are a positive person, but after a year of wreaking havoc on the category system and refusing dialogue, I'd need some stronger evidence that you managed such a rapid and miraculous transformation. Give it another few months, and don't tell me: ''show'' me that you can edit collaboratively for a sustained period. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 05:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC) |
:::::I would like to believe that you are a positive person, but after a year of wreaking havoc on the category system and refusing dialogue, I'd need some stronger evidence that you managed such a rapid and miraculous transformation. Give it another few months, and don't tell me: ''show'' me that you can edit collaboratively for a sustained period. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 05:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::I regret creating as many categories as I did, ignoring dialouges, being a bit of a punk with some of my comments, and going on the reverting war. Even if I was provoked, I shouldn't go down to such petty levels. I hope this is some substance and will satisify, if it doesn't I really dont know what I have to do.--[[User:Levineps|Levineps]] ([[User talk:Levineps|talk]]) 05:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Welsh socialists
discussion moved to User talk:Welshsocialist#Welsh_socialists, to keep it all together
James Duckworth
I have had a look in the Times newspaper archive and Who was Who but there is not anything new there which is not covered in your article. I did make a couple of minor grammar changes.
The odd thing is that in your article you have a source which indicates Duckworth had a wife and son in 1862. However according to Who was Who, Duckworth did not marry until 1882. His wife's name is given as Emma Matilda Jully. Who was Who also has an entry for Duckworth's son also called James but his dob is given as 1869. He contested Bury as a Liberal in 1923 and 1924. I suppose the relationship could have been common law and James junior born out of wedlock with the parents legitimising things by marrying in 1882 but it's speculation and I do not want to add information to the article which appears to contradict the existing content. Does your source say anything about the marriage?
Graham
Charles Gilpin (politician)
Thanks for giving Maurice Petherick a Succession Box. I wonder if you could check out the Charles Gilpin (politician) article and see whether the Box for him is correct. Vernon White . . . Talk 00:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Vernon -- long time no see! Hope you are keeping well.
- The succession box was fine as far as it went, but was a little underdeveloped, and was misplaced. I have finished it off and moved it to its proper place at the bottom of the article ... and while I was at it, I did a few other tweaks: here's the diff of them all.
- Hope that's okay! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Vernon replies: Thanks for your work on this article. I am puzzled that Hansard's listing of Gilpin's contributions to Parliamentary debate (Contributions of Charles Gilpin) are so few and exclude the speeches indicated in notes 3 and 4:
- ^ On 3 May 1864, Gilpin supported William Ewart's Commons resolution requesting a Select Committee be appointed to consider PUNISHMENT OF DEATH:Hansard HC Deb 3 May 1864 vol 174 cc2055-115
- ^ Hansard report of Commons Sitting: CAPITAL PUNISHMENT WITHIN PRISONS BILL— [BILL 36.] COMMITTEE stage: HC Deb 21 April 1868 vol 191 cc1033-63
How can this be explained and can it be corrected?
All the best for 2010 Vernon White . . . Talk 23:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Vernon
- Glad that my changes were OK.
- http://hansard.millbanksystems.com is still under development, and there a lot of glitches in the indexing. The text seems OK, I think that the indexing is still very raw. It's still worth using as a link, because the data is all there, but it shouldn't be relied upon as evidence of the extent of someone's contributions. See my comment on this at User talk:Tryde#Hansard_1803-2005.
- Hope you're having a good year so far! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Template:Infobox datespan
Hi BHG, what do you make of this template - Template:Infobox datespan ? It was created by User:Jtdirl in June 2006. It is supposed to be a infobox style bio timeline but it is only used on 2 articles: Éamon de Valera and Charles Stewart Parnell. Is there some standard template equivalent? If not, I think it should be removed. Any thoughts? Snappy (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure.
- It seems to be reasonably effective at the job it sets out to do ... but the question is whether it's actually a good idea to have that sort of timeline-summary-infobox in articles. I can see a case for this sort of summary, but I'm generally a bit war of overloading articles with infoboxes, and Éamon de Valera is a good illustration of that: a long infobox, then the {{PriomhAire}} photogalley, and then this timeline, buried so far down a long article (over half-way) that the reader won't encounter it unless they are already reading the whole text.
- On the other hand, wouldn't it be rather good to have a timeline summary like this in History of Ireland? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Alansohn question
Did Alansohn answer your question on his talk page? I butted in, but I'm not quite understanding what he means when he mentioned what he did as a violation of policy. Maybe I should just leave the question to you and him. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- He seems to be confusing policy and guideline. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought maybe so. I'd like it if he could address the original issues postdlf raised rather than side-tracking on garden variety differences of opinion. Maybe if an admin disagrees with him, he views that as a problem. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi BHG, could you take a look at this article when you have some time to spare. For a number of reasons I have a few doubts about the notability of this person but I'd like an outside opinion before I take any action. Cheers - Galloglass 17:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Galloglass
- It looks marginal to me. There are a lot of refs to individual points in the article (overall, it's reasonably well-sourced),but I don't see any evidence of substantial coverage of him in reliable sources
- However, he may have be notable under WP:ATH point 2: "People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships." If he participated in the world championships of any of those yacht classes, then I think he meets WP:ATH.
- ... and a bit of googling found that he skippered his boat in the Class 40 world chamionships.
- I'd be happier if there was some substantial coverage (per WP:GNG), but I think he just passes WP:ATH. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Cheers for that BHG, was sure he didn't meet the politics criteria but if he meets that of athletics then I'm quite happy to let it stand. Thanks - Galloglass 18:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- No prob! It is kinda marginal, and to my mind it illustrates the problem of special-exception guidelines such as WP:ATH, because with substantial coverage the whole article is a from of synthesis. There is usually strong support at AFD for keeping even marginal bll-players, but I'm not sure how a yachtsman would survive. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Cheers for that BHG, was sure he didn't meet the politics criteria but if he meets that of athletics then I'm quite happy to let it stand. Thanks - Galloglass 18:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
CFD confusion
I tried to close this discussion but got confused. There's consensus for the proposal, but I'm not sure what it is now. Is it a proposal to merge the contents of the nominated category to both of the other categories that aren't struck out? A double upmerge? And the struck out one was already doubly upmerged? This probably seems like a dumb question, but I know zilch about the subject. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- I get it now. Nothing to do but close the discussion and delete the empty nominated category, methinks? I was confused because it was started before the one above it, and I was reading it as if it had been started after. When read together it all makes sense. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, just close as merge per nom (since that's the consensus you found), but there's nothing to actually do. ---BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Video games by designer
Did you just accuse me in public of attempting to subvert the CFD process for personal gain? I followed your suggestion to get them out of Category:Games by designer. I did it because I thought you had suggested a good idea. There were already seven subcategories of Category:Games by designer that were all video games, so regardless of your opinion about the five you nominated, there was no reason I shouldn't have created Category:Video games by designer. Do you really think I did something warrants a charge of immorality? If so, you would be the first in four years of my contributing to CFD to do so.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Not quite, Mike, although I did suggest something close to that. I pointed out that you had pre-empted consenus in a situation where you have a declared COI.
- The substantive issue is whether or not video games should be categorised by designer. The CFD has not yet closed, so there is as yet no consensus on that question. Creating the category now prejudges that outcome, and suggested such a category if the designer categories were kept, which has not yet happened. Yes, there are other similar categories, but since that CFD is about the principle of categorising games by designer, the others will be a logical followup to delete if the CFD closes that way.
- I don't think that immorality is quite the right word, but you did do something inappropriate. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
'Republic of Ireland' on EU page
Hi there BrownHairedGirl, a debate is currently in progress on the EU talk page concerning the use of either ‘Republic of Ireland’ or ‘Ireland’ to identify the state. As the page is clearly political and involves both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, I am arguing for ‘Republic of Ireland’ for reasons of clarity and common sense. However, all my arguments are falling on intransigently deaf ears. Perhaps you would care to take a look? The Spoorne (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Spoorne
- I took a quick peep, and it's much as I expected: you were edit-warring against a long-standing convention.
- The convention, accepted as a compromise between various views, is to use the description "Republic of Ireland" only where the use of "Ireland" (the state's official name) would be ambiguous. There is no ambiguity in the list of members states. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Wanting to delete late night programming categories
Delete per nom. Mant TV programs are broadcast at varying points in the schedule, and categorising TV programs in this way will lead to massive category clutter. -
So by your logic, a program (and I put great emphasis on this) called The Tonight Show, Late Night with..., The Late Show..., etc. could suitably air in other hours of the day (okay)!? That would be like saying that The Today Show/Early Show/Good Morning America also air in prime time. TMC1982 (talk) 10:10 p.m., 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- I presume you are referring to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 17#Categories_for_intersection_of_TV_network_and_broadcast_time. That page is called "categories for discussion" for a reason ... which is that it's the place to discuss the category. Per WP:MULTI, please keep the discussion centralised. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Sir Francis Evans
Thanks for the message. I have expanded the Evans article. Hope it's OK. G --Graham Lippiatt (talk) 23:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
- replied at User talk:Graham_Lippiatt#Sir_Francis_Evans.2C_1st_Baronet to keep discussion centralised. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Template:Party shading/Federalist
Why did you add "-color" to Template:Party shading/Federalist? See {{United States political party shading key 2}}.—Markles 12:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- I was looking for a null edit to purge the templates, so that they would be removed from renamed categories, and "background-color" is just a more precise way of achieving the same effect. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- That's OK. As you may see from {{United States political party shading key 2}}, I'm trying to standardize the colors and their coding. Any help is appreciated. —Markles 15:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- Good luck with that work. I'm sorry, but I won't be joining in, because I concentrate my efforts on the politics of Ireland and UKania, and don't have time or expertise to get involved in US stuff. I only encountered the templates through processing some CFD closures, and since that problem is fixed I'll leave you to it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Talkback
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
WQA
Hello, BrownHairedGirl. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Arenlor (talk) 05:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- I have replied to the troll at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Virginia's At-large congressional district#Order & consistency
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Virginia's At-large congressional district#Order & consistency. —Markles 13:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})
- Thanks for the invite, but it's not really a topic on which I can contribute much. I hope that you have a successful discussion which reaches a consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you
Hi BrownHairedGirl
I just wanted to thank you for uploading the information on Rossnowlagh. It's great to have it to refer to and send a link to people when I want to explain where I grew up.
I wondered if you'd visited or how you came to be the person to originate the information?
IrishWonderboy 80.2.65.250 (talk) 19:14, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- Umm, as far as I can see, I have only made one small edit to the article Rossnowlagh, and did not add any substantive information to it.
- It's a beautiful place, though. I hope you have wonderful memories of your childhood there. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Rebuttal?
Did you want a chance of rebuttal here or can I self-close this as withdrawn? Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- If you want to withdraw the nom, then best to just go ahead and self-close. No need for any further rebuttal, and I rather agree with your final point that in a few decades it might not be quite such an an important factor ... but I think that for now it's worth keeping. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Monarchism
You are incorrect in your comments on the monarchism template. Kevin O'Higgins advocated the creation of a North-South dual monarchy to join both parts of Ireland, in 1926 and proposed the coronation of the king in the Phoenix Park as king of Ireland? The idea died with his death and is well documented in history books. Butt's extreme monarchism is also well documented. He wanted the Royal Family to have a residence in Ireland and for royal princes to be made Lord Lieutenant. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 00:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Hope you see this soon...
You're on a HotCat tear at the moment, which is AWESOME. Unfortunately, you caught WikiProject Essay C/C in the middle of a category migration, and you're moving essays into categories that we're deleting. Basically, any most categories had the word "Wikipedia" added, so that "Essays about Editing" became "Wikipedia Essays about Editing." I haven't had a chance to CSD the old cats yet. Because this is my fault, I'll do HotCat cleanup. If you could take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Essay Categorization and/or Classification/Categories, you'll see what categories we're using now. Thanks! ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 01:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't recategorise any essays.
- I was just doing my regular tidyup of the categories in Wikipedia:Database reports/Uncategorized categories, so I added parent categories for them: all the essays went into Category:Wikipedia essays. Please do not remove the parent categories; uncategorised categories are a nuisance. If any categories are not needed, nominate them for deletion in the usual way.
- BTW, it appears that you have you using AWB to manually move articles, and thereby empty the categories. That's a bad idea: Out-of-process category-emptying is frowned upon, and proposals to rename categories should be made at WP:CFD, where a consensus can be formed on the renames. This one looks uncontroversial and would have been nodded through ... and it's to your advantage to things that way, because then a bot does all the work. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, when I said "you're moving essays into categories," I meant "you're putting essays in categories." Regarding the category moves I'm doing...I created all those categories anyway, so when it was brought to my attention that a rename was in order, I thought I'd just move them all over and CSD the original names (as the creator). Why is this frowned upon? I'm new to this kind of activity on Wikipedia, so please don't take my questions as argumentative. I'd just like to understand the process better. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 01:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- I suggested to Noraft that he change the names to add "Wikipedia". Since he created them a short time ago, I don't think it's a problem for him to simply rename them manually and ask for the old ones to be deleted. Sorry it's causing confusions. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- No prob, the renaming is a good idea, and if the categs have only been used by the creator then deleting the empties is OK. Howveer, it does seem like a lot of work to do it manually, when the bots could do it! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Levineps' request to edit categories again
Levineps is requesting to have his sanctions dropped. Thought you may appreciate the opportunity to enlighten those who may not be familiar with this case. Auntie E. (talk) 03:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the headsup. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I would like to edit categories again! I think I have learned from this experience and hope to be granted this privilege again--Levineps (talk) 01:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- You have given very little indication of what you have learned, and even that came only after editors pointed out that your request to be unbanned contained no indication that you had learned anything at all. Do you still think that reverting your high-speed recategorisation spree was "vandalism"? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what I need to do to convince you, but I am doing my best and will continue to strive be a productive member of the community. While I disagree with the above statement you made about giving "little indication" of what I learned, I respect it and you have a right to express it. I think no matter what I do and/or say, I won't live up to what you want me to do and that's really a shame. But let's try to be productive, im a positive person. I think if you think optimistically, you be surprised sometimes what you find.--Levineps (talk) 05:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- Look back at the events which led to your ban. So far you have addressed few of the issues raised, and are just talking in vague generalities.
- I would like to believe that you are a positive person, but after a year of wreaking havoc on the category system and refusing dialogue, I'd need some stronger evidence that you managed such a rapid and miraculous transformation. Give it another few months, and don't tell me: show me that you can edit collaboratively for a sustained period. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I regret creating as many categories as I did, ignoring dialouges, being a bit of a punk with some of my comments, and going on the reverting war. Even if I was provoked, I shouldn't go down to such petty levels. I hope this is some substance and will satisify, if it doesn't I really dont know what I have to do.--Levineps (talk) 05:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what I need to do to convince you, but I am doing my best and will continue to strive be a productive member of the community. While I disagree with the above statement you made about giving "little indication" of what I learned, I respect it and you have a right to express it. I think no matter what I do and/or say, I won't live up to what you want me to do and that's really a shame. But let's try to be productive, im a positive person. I think if you think optimistically, you be surprised sometimes what you find.--Levineps (talk) 05:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- You have given very little indication of what you have learned, and even that came only after editors pointed out that your request to be unbanned contained no indication that you had learned anything at all. Do you still think that reverting your high-speed recategorisation spree was "vandalism"? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I would like to edit categories again! I think I have learned from this experience and hope to be granted this privilege again--Levineps (talk) 01:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)