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Hi there. I realize you're a very new editor and may not yet be familiar with Wikipedia policies, such as [[WP:NPOV]]. Just being sourced doesn't mean material belongs in an article, it must also be notable and exist in due proportion to other material in the article. I look forward to editing the Gilo article, and others, with you to reach an amicable consensus. As another note, I realize that some material that you seem to be keen to introduce in [[Gilo]] appears to not be sourced. This is afoul of [[WP:V]], which is another core principle we have. --[[User:Dailycare|Dailycare]] ([[User talk:Dailycare|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
Hi there. I realize you're a very new editor and may not yet be familiar with Wikipedia policies, such as [[WP:NPOV]]. Just being sourced doesn't mean material belongs in an article, it must also be notable and exist in due proportion to other material in the article. I look forward to editing the Gilo article, and others, with you to reach an amicable consensus. As another note, I realize that some material that you seem to be keen to introduce in [[Gilo]] appears to not be sourced. This is afoul of [[WP:V]], which is another core principle we have. --[[User:Dailycare|Dailycare]] ([[User talk:Dailycare|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:I'm not a new editor, and I just want to note the irony that you have taken all the WP policies that I warned you to review and follow on your talk page, and simply rephrased an otherwise identical warning to me. I found that pretty comical. You have removed both notable and sourced info from the article, and if you want to somehow construe a presumptuous argument that the info is not notable, you can go ahead and raise your concerns on the talk page. You don't just go deleting valid information from articles because you feel that it hurts the POV that you are trying to push. As I mentioned on your talk page, Wikipedia doesn't work that way. We strive to write objective articles that allow the reader to learn about the topic without being subject to censorship and propaganda. I hope you'll be able to learn from this, and I similarly look forward to having more constructive and collaborative edits with you in the future. [[User:Breein1007|Breein1007]] ([[User talk:Breein1007#top|talk]]) 03:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Do not merge together articles without asking for permission. The source is accessible and reliable, if you feel otherwise, take it to the talkpage and wait for other views.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- Asking permission? From whom... you? lol... you have deleted info in the past because you claimed the source was bad, so don't be a hypocrite please. Those sources definitely were not reliable at Wikipedia's standards. Neither you nor I are authorities on what constitutes a RS, because both you and I would clearly be biased in our selections. Read the page on RS if you need clarification.Breein1007 (talk) 17:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- Radical changes like redirecting an article after the same move was reverted right before must be talked about at the talkpage, you also removed info from the other article which deleted all the info altogether. If you want to redirect an article you must make a post about it at the talkpage and if there is a clear consensus amongst editors for it to be moved, it can be moved. You also say that the source is not reliable, this is your opinion, if you feel this way bring it up at the talkpage and wait for what other people have to say, The source has already been called reliable by several editors: [1] [2][3] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- It has also been called unreliable by many other editors. Don't think you're going to fool me here; I'm not blind. I won't bother getting links for you to show this, because I know you are completely aware of this fact and simply trying to twist the truth in your favour as usual.Breein1007 (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- Radical changes like redirecting an article after the same move was reverted right before must be talked about at the talkpage, you also removed info from the other article which deleted all the info altogether. If you want to redirect an article you must make a post about it at the talkpage and if there is a clear consensus amongst editors for it to be moved, it can be moved. You also say that the source is not reliable, this is your opinion, if you feel this way bring it up at the talkpage and wait for what other people have to say, The source has already been called reliable by several editors: [1] [2][3] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Redirects
It appears that when you redirect an article the previous history is lost. I believe the proper procedure would be to move the article instead, which will move its history & talk page as well; then a redirect will be automatically created. Please keep this in mind. Perhaps it will also be possible to undo & redo your earlier redirects. I am not certain, but it would be worth a try. Hertz1888 (talk) 17:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll do that from now on. That option wasn't available to me yet though because my account isn't 4 days old.Breein1007 (talk) 17:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- Can you demonstrate in some way that the mountains' names that they are known by in English are the Hebrew names, as you have asserted? If so, I will gladly rework the changes and try to straighten out the damage, which should be possible to do. Hertz1888 (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Aside from my own personal visits to the mountains where I witnessed with my own eyes signs noting the English names as the Hebrew equivalents - something that is not helpful as a source on Wikipedia - I can't really think of an appropriate way to find a source for this. These are minor mountains that are hardly discussed online. The only thing I can think of is to search for the Hebrew-English name and Arabic-English name on google (with quotation marks ie: "Mount Odem" vs "Mount Ahram" to avoid results mentioning other topics with common words). I tried a few of them, and the Hebrew-English versions had more hits by an extremely overwhelming amount.Breein1007 (talk) 23:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Can you demonstrate in some way that the mountains' names that they are known by in English are the Hebrew names, as you have asserted? If so, I will gladly rework the changes and try to straighten out the damage, which should be possible to do. Hertz1888 (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Greetings
Greetings. I am glad you have decided to make an account and start actively contributing to Wikipedia.
In regards to your comment, it wouldn't be proper or fair for me to express my concerns only when an editor for the "other side" catches my attention. I do hope my concerns turn out to be unfounded, and that you choose to continue constructively contributing to Wikipedia.
Lehitraot --nsaum75 ¡שיחת! 00:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
November 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Israeli wine. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. nableezy - 22:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I resent and disregard your warning. This is a total joke. However, knowing you and your edit history in this topic I am not surprised that you have chosen to issue me with a warning while saying nothing to the other user involved in the edits. I know the rules and follow them; your pretentious warnings don't change anything. Have fun with your power trip. Breein1007 (talk) 23:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Resent and disregard what you like, you made 3 reverts on the article, no other user made more than 2. Prior to sanctioning somebody they must be made aware of the rules, this notice was to make you aware of the 3-revert rule. If you continue editing in the way that you have you may very well be blocked from editing. That is not a "total joke" nor is it a "power trip", just the way of the world. Bye, nableezy - 04:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- I did not break or come anywhere near breaking the 3RR. Not that you care to actually look into things properly before throwing around warnings to make yourself feel powerful, but the first revert you are referring to in the 24 hour period was for a completely different edit, and it was a very clearly appropriate reversion because the previous edit had used language that incorrectly implied that various regions of Israel were "occupied". As much as you or your friends may wish to push that POV onto others, it is unacceptable on Wikipedia. Therefore, even if I had made more than 3 reversions, under the 3RR that one would not be counted. I made 2 reverts later about other questionable content, the same as the other user who you conveniently disregarded. I'm done with this matter; I see no need to prove anything to you and thus have nothing else to say about the topic. Just understand that unlike some other users, you won't frighten me or intimidate me into not editing things to remove unfair POV by issuing me with unwarranted and inappropriate warnings or threats of bans that will not actually be implemented. If I continue editing in the way that I have been editing, I'll be on Wikipedia for a long time. I haven't done anything to warrant a block. Bye, Breein1007 (talk) 04:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- You need to read WP:3RR, it is not necessary that the reversions be of the same material each time. And you also need to read an English grammar book, as your reasoning for the first removal was incorrect. I don't intend to frighten you, but if you continue editing the way have been I do intend to report you. That is not a threat, nor is it an attempt to intimidate. It is simply a statement of fact. You did make 3 reverts as defined by WP:3RR and if you continue editing in such a manner you may be blocked. Again, that is not a threat, simply a fact. But as you clearly do not have anything useful to add I'll say bye now. nableezy - 15:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- My reasoning was perfect, and your claim that I need to read a grammar book is pretty comical considering what I do for a living. The icing on the cake for me is that you're topic banned and all you can do is go around annoying people like this! It's really quite nauseating, but I do feel sorry for you. Bye, for the third time. I understand that you're lonely, but please - don't feel the need to come back. Breein1007 (talk) 17:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- You need to read WP:3RR, it is not necessary that the reversions be of the same material each time. And you also need to read an English grammar book, as your reasoning for the first removal was incorrect. I don't intend to frighten you, but if you continue editing the way have been I do intend to report you. That is not a threat, nor is it an attempt to intimidate. It is simply a statement of fact. You did make 3 reverts as defined by WP:3RR and if you continue editing in such a manner you may be blocked. Again, that is not a threat, simply a fact. But as you clearly do not have anything useful to add I'll say bye now. nableezy - 15:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- I did not break or come anywhere near breaking the 3RR. Not that you care to actually look into things properly before throwing around warnings to make yourself feel powerful, but the first revert you are referring to in the 24 hour period was for a completely different edit, and it was a very clearly appropriate reversion because the previous edit had used language that incorrectly implied that various regions of Israel were "occupied". As much as you or your friends may wish to push that POV onto others, it is unacceptable on Wikipedia. Therefore, even if I had made more than 3 reversions, under the 3RR that one would not be counted. I made 2 reverts later about other questionable content, the same as the other user who you conveniently disregarded. I'm done with this matter; I see no need to prove anything to you and thus have nothing else to say about the topic. Just understand that unlike some other users, you won't frighten me or intimidate me into not editing things to remove unfair POV by issuing me with unwarranted and inappropriate warnings or threats of bans that will not actually be implemented. If I continue editing in the way that I have been editing, I'll be on Wikipedia for a long time. I haven't done anything to warrant a block. Bye, Breein1007 (talk) 04:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Resent and disregard what you like, you made 3 reverts on the article, no other user made more than 2. Prior to sanctioning somebody they must be made aware of the rules, this notice was to make you aware of the 3-revert rule. If you continue editing in the way that you have you may very well be blocked from editing. That is not a "total joke" nor is it a "power trip", just the way of the world. Bye, nableezy - 04:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Previous accounts
You are clearly quite familiar with Wikipedia and its rules and regulations. What was the name of your previous account? Tiamuttalk 10:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Is there a particular reason you find this information so pressing?Breein1007 (talk) 17:36, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Its not particularly pressing. Is there a reason you are hesitant to respond? Its a simple question after all. Tiamuttalk 20:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- My reason is that I don't like giving up unnecessary information when I don't see a reason. The simplicity of the question doesn't have anything to do with my hesitation to answer. That said, I'd be happy to answer you if you would just explain why you're so curious! Breein1007 (talk) 21:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Is being asked by an editing colleague politely not reason enough? I'm curious that's all. But if you would prefer not to answer, you are of course free not to. Happy editing. Tiamuttalk 10:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- I have no previous accounts. Breein1007 (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- Is being asked by an editing colleague politely not reason enough? I'm curious that's all. But if you would prefer not to answer, you are of course free not to. Happy editing. Tiamuttalk 10:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- My reason is that I don't like giving up unnecessary information when I don't see a reason. The simplicity of the question doesn't have anything to do with my hesitation to answer. That said, I'd be happy to answer you if you would just explain why you're so curious! Breein1007 (talk) 21:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Its not particularly pressing. Is there a reason you are hesitant to respond? Its a simple question after all. Tiamuttalk 20:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Notice
As a result of an arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee has acknowledged long-term and persistent problems in the editing of articles related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, broadly understood. As a result, the Committee has enacted broad editing restrictions, described here and below.
- Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.
- The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to the topic or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project.
- Prior to any sanctions being imposed, the editor in question shall be given a warning with a link to this decision; and, where appropriate, should be counseled on specific steps that he or she can take to improve his or her editing in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines.
- Discretionary sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision may be appealed to the imposing administrator, the appropriate administrators' noticeboard (currently WP:AE), or the Committee.
These editing restrictions may be applied to any editor for cause, provided the editor has been previously informed of the case. This message is to so inform you. This message does not necessarily mean that your current editing has been deemed a problem; this is a template message crafted to make it easier to notify any user who has edited the topic of the existence of these sanctions.
Generally, the next step, if an administrator feels your conduct on pages in this topic area is disruptive, would be a warning, to be followed by the imposition of sanctions (although in cases of serious disruption, the warning may be omitted). Hopefully no such action will be necessary.
This notice is only effective if given by an administrator and logged here. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 05:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- I've already been made aware of this in the last 15 minutes... no need to keep linking it to me again and again. As it stands I haven't made any inappropriate edits, and while I understand that the topic is controversial, I won't let that intimidate me. I will continue to edit articles that are fallacious or employ weasel words that try to imply a meaning other than the truth without actually lying. As the note above states, anyone who makes edits to these pages can be shown this template to make them aware of the rules, so I could very well just go post this back to Sean.holyland, but I'll take the high road here and not mimic the immaturity. If someone has a problem with the edit I made that clarified dubious terms and added sourced information, I would appreciate if they would provide an evidenced explanation rather than simply reverting my contributions with a one word explanation of "nonsense". Thanks,Breein1007 (talk) 05:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- This is just so we know you know, in clear terms. While your edits exhibit a strong point-of-view, you've not behaved in a way that's put you in trouble or anything, so don't worry about that. Cheers, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 06:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I just want to point out that is kind of contradictory... if I haven't behaved in a way that would put me in trouble, then my edits shouldn't be identified as strong POV. While I personally may have strong POV (who doesn't?), I am here to contribute positively to Wikipedia and edit objectively. All that I do here is find inappropriate POV and remove it from articles, while adding factual and sourced information. Anyway, thanks for the notification. Have a good one. Breein1007 (talk) 06:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- This is just so we know you know, in clear terms. While your edits exhibit a strong point-of-view, you've not behaved in a way that's put you in trouble or anything, so don't worry about that. Cheers, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 06:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Re: Two things
שלום בריאין! כמובן זה עניין של כתיב מלא כנגד כתיב מנוקד. שתי האופציות ניתנות בערך, אך יש העדפה לכתיב מנוקד בשורה הראשונה. האיות "רָמָה" אינו הנפצה, אלא איות שלקוח מה"לקסיקון ארץ ישראל" מספרי ידיעות אחרונות. בספרים מסוג זה יש תקן קבוע לתיעתוק של מושגים בערבית. בכל רחבי העולם מקובל שהמקור האמין ביותר לשם גיאוגרפי הוא לקסיקון גיאוגרפי (באנגלית: gazetteer), ועל זה ניסיתי להסתמך כשהוספתי ניקוד לכ-2000 ערכים על מקומות בישראל. כמובן, אם יש ברשותך את "לקסיקון מפה" או "מדריך ישראל החדש", אשמח אם תציג את האיות המובא שם.
בנוגע לעידן רייכל – כן, זה נוח לכולם להשתמש תמיד באותו שם משתמש כדי שיהיה קל לזהות :)
בברכה,
—Ynhockey
Gilo
Hi there. I realize you're a very new editor and may not yet be familiar with Wikipedia policies, such as WP:NPOV. Just being sourced doesn't mean material belongs in an article, it must also be notable and exist in due proportion to other material in the article. I look forward to editing the Gilo article, and others, with you to reach an amicable consensus. As another note, I realize that some material that you seem to be keen to introduce in Gilo appears to not be sourced. This is afoul of WP:V, which is another core principle we have. --Dailycare (talk) 22:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not a new editor, and I just want to note the irony that you have taken all the WP policies that I warned you to review and follow on your talk page, and simply rephrased an otherwise identical warning to me. I found that pretty comical. You have removed both notable and sourced info from the article, and if you want to somehow construe a presumptuous argument that the info is not notable, you can go ahead and raise your concerns on the talk page. You don't just go deleting valid information from articles because you feel that it hurts the POV that you are trying to push. As I mentioned on your talk page, Wikipedia doesn't work that way. We strive to write objective articles that allow the reader to learn about the topic without being subject to censorship and propaganda. I hope you'll be able to learn from this, and I similarly look forward to having more constructive and collaborative edits with you in the future. Breein1007 (talk) 03:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)