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== Osli's vandalism == |
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Bosoni, Emir Arven, Live Forever, Bosniak, HanzoHattori, Dado, Haris M: |
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I would like to protect the Srebrenica massacre introduction from any further vandalism by Osli. He repeatedly deletes sentences from the intro that are accurate, true, relevant, and well referenced. |
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If we can all agree on the text of the intro, then it will become entirely clear to administrators that Osli is a vandal. |
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Please look at the intro as it stands now. It would be great if we could all leave it as it is now or quickly come to an introduction that we all can agree to. Currently, it explains in stark terms what happened. That is why Osli wants to delete the sentences. Make the truth less clear in the beginning, so that he can then throw in his “Defend Milosevic! Defend Serbia!” propaganda and potentially confuse some of the readers. |
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Please all take a look at the intro. Let’s all come to an agreed upon intro and let it stand. Then if Osli continues to delete sentences from the intro it will clearly be vandalism and if he continues, perhaps he can be banned. Then we can concentrate on the article and let our own differences of opinion be a source for constructive conversation and continuing improvement of the article. |
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What do you think? |
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== Bosniak's reply == |
== Bosniak's reply == |
Revision as of 00:42, 16 August 2006
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Osli's vandalism
Bosoni, Emir Arven, Live Forever, Bosniak, HanzoHattori, Dado, Haris M:
I would like to protect the Srebrenica massacre introduction from any further vandalism by Osli. He repeatedly deletes sentences from the intro that are accurate, true, relevant, and well referenced.
If we can all agree on the text of the intro, then it will become entirely clear to administrators that Osli is a vandal.
Please look at the intro as it stands now. It would be great if we could all leave it as it is now or quickly come to an introduction that we all can agree to. Currently, it explains in stark terms what happened. That is why Osli wants to delete the sentences. Make the truth less clear in the beginning, so that he can then throw in his “Defend Milosevic! Defend Serbia!” propaganda and potentially confuse some of the readers.
Please all take a look at the intro. Let’s all come to an agreed upon intro and let it stand. Then if Osli continues to delete sentences from the intro it will clearly be vandalism and if he continues, perhaps he can be banned. Then we can concentrate on the article and let our own differences of opinion be a source for constructive conversation and continuing improvement of the article.
What do you think?
Bosniak's reply
Of course we can cooperate Adrien. You can also visit my blog http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com and in the comments leave me your email address so I can contact you. Of course, I will not publish your comment, so your email will stay private. Please keep an eye on Wikipedia's Srebrenica Massacre article.
Cheers!
Hi Adrien!
For Adrien: Hi friend, I got your email and I replied to it. But, and this is very important, I cancelled my internet service provider today and currently I am in process of switching to another one; new connection should be established in few days. Currently, I am sitting on my balcony overlooking downtown Vancouver and use free (*open*) wireless connection! It's pretty fast though. I will add your email to my MSN contact list, so I can catch you online. Cheers!
Update: Also my previous email is not working, because of internet service change - but I added you to my MSN; I'll give you my other email when I catch you online. Cheers again!
There is noting on Flickr to suggest that this image is CC licenced. --Peta 10:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- Could you stick the email permission on the image talk page please.--Peta 11:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Bosniak's Reply to Adrien's post on Bosniak Talk page
Yes Bosoni! Hi! Few days ago, I sent you my new email address and it bounced! I will re-send it again! Hope it doesn't bounce. Cheers! Check your email.
Bosnians is a correct translation of the term Bosanci and it is most used in english language to descibe people comming from BiH. This includes all people and not exclusevly Bosniaks (who are constituent ethnic group within Bosnia per the constitution). Creating an article Bosanci serves only to conceal the issue and it is very deceptive. --Dado 18:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Instead of flogging the issue on Bosnians I'd suggest you to pay attention to more burning issues such as edit wars on Republika Srpska --Dado 21:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Dado. --HRE 13:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bosoni, I see you have taken up Bosniak's torch on the Srebrenica massacre article. I do not question that the massacre happened or that some 7-8000 persons were killed. In many ways I believe that the article is very good, in that it provides a good presentation of the topic. However, I feel that in certain places it has chosen to present only one of the interpretations of the events, typically the Bosniak one (when Wikipedia says "Let's present all significant, competing views sympathetically." [1]
I felt this was the case with regards to three sections in particular:
- Introduction: it quoted the figure 8,300 killed when the sources talked about an estimated 7-8,000 killed and missing.
- Struggle for Srebrenica: this section failed to present the significance of Serb casualties during this period as a motive for 'revenge' in 1995.
- Serb casualties around Srebrenica: this section only presented one of several studies into the number of Serb casualties in the region. I have not been able to find the actual report but the pressrelease talks of some 500-600 killed, soldiers and civilians. I felt that it was important to add the other estimates which have been made. For this, I used a ICTY press briefing which specifically discussed the various estimates over Serb casualties. I also provided sources, both from the NIOD report and former Unprofor commander MacKenzie on how the losses in 1992-93 were a factor in the 1995 massacre. I also provided a link to an article in the Journal of Conflict Studies outlining the Sarajevo governments slander campaign against MacKenzie.
Bosniak was completely unable (or unwilling) to discuss the topic in a civil and rational way, instead he called all of the sources I supplied (ICTY, NIOD, etc) "discredited Serb lies" and similar. I realize this is a touchy subject for a Bosniak, however, I hope that you and I will be able to have a more constructive and polite interaction than was possible with Bosniak.
Salut Osli73 22:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree
With Dado on the Bosnians issue subject. --HRE 11:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)