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:Also expressing my sadness, and my thanks for your service as an admin. It can be a thankless task, I know. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 20:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
:Also expressing my sadness, and my thanks for your service as an admin. It can be a thankless task, I know. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 20:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:I join the sentiments of the others: Losing you is a great loss to the administration of this website. Best wishes; and, once this is all over, should you wish to have the mop anew, you'll have my vote. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">—[[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]|[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|¤]])</span> 22:21, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
:I join the sentiments of the others: Losing you is a great loss to the administration of this website. Best wishes; and, once this is all over, should you wish to have the mop anew, you'll have my vote. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">—[[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]|[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|¤]])</span> 22:21, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
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I've studiously avoided commenting on any of the current situation. I'm a long time editor, but have been on an extended wikibreak and mostly inactive for the last 6 years. I've seen your handle pop up for the 11 years-ish I have been here and can not remember it ever being for anything negative. You no longer being a sysop is a great loss to the community. Hopefully the OFFICE pulls it's head out soon and fixes all of this. :-( [[User:Heironymous Rowe|'''<span style="color:White;background:darkBlue">He</span>''']][[User talk:Heironymous Rowe|'''<span style="color:darkBlue">iro'''</span>]] 00:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC) |
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Admin resignation statement
I volunteered to serve as an administrator on the English Wikipedia in 2011, in the capacity of serving the English Wikipedia Community and answerable to the English Wikipedia Community (via direct interaction through the feedback of my peers, and via the judgment of the Community-elected Arbitration Committee should that be necessary). Even though I have largely kept away from the most controversial issues, it has still been an occasionally stressful role - but I have always felt supported by the confidence I have had in the English Wikipedia Community who elected me to the position of adminstrator, and in the Arbitration Committee as the Community's elected authority.
Things, however, have changed significantly since the Wikimedia Foundation's ban on adminstrator Fram at the behest of the Trust & Safety team. I accept that as a Community (including through our representatives on the Arbitration Committee) we have been poor at managing civility and harassment, and I've held back on any personal action in this case so far in the hope that something better might emerge - and that we might get some more clarity on the ban of Fram and on its consequences.
I had hoped I could support a new way forward, but that would need the buy-in of the Community and of the Arbitration Committee (and since the Fram ban plenty of people have tried their best to suggest some sort of compromise and some sort of improved approach) together with some willingness on the part of T&S to consider a joint approach.
Unfortunately, the only responses we have received from T&S team leader Jan Eissfeldt to date (June 22), have reiterated his position that he is undeniably right, that he has no accountability to the Community that he is supposed to be serving, and that his judgments (and those of his team) are to be considered infallible and cannot be appealed.
Had there been clear recent harassment by Fram, I think more people would have been on board with the ban decision. But whatever Fram might have done seems to be stretching the definition of "harassment", and the denial of any form of appeal by Fram is in direct contradiction to any evidence so far presented, and to the ideals of openness and accountability that we have spent such a long time trying to achieve.
I want to make clear that I do accept that the WMF can (and should) issue bans from time to time, and I strongly support every ban that they have implemented so far (at least in as much as I understand the reasons - which, in the most part, I do). In fact, I'll go so far as to thank them for taking on the burden of things like legal issues, child protection, and cross-wiki abuse.
But the extension of that reach into everyday English Wikipedia conduct issues, without prior consultation, without any proper discussion, and implementing a minimum sanction of a one-year ban with no course of appeal, is far removed from the ideals of openness and transparency upon which our (imperfect) Community is built, and to me it marks a chilling and demoralizing change in the power structure under which we work.
If I were to remain as an administrator, I would in effect ultimately be serving Jan and his team, under undisclosed new rules and under threat of unappealable sanctions should I (or those I interact with) violate those undisclosed rules, rather than serving the Wikipedia Community under its imperfect but transparent and accountable rules.
That is not what I signed up for, and I am not willing to serve Jan and the T&S team under such a regime, and so I reluctantly conclude that I must resign as an administrator. I thank the Community for affording me the privilege of serving you while I could. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:38, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Well said. 28bytes (talk) 17:50, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- I wish I could express myself that well!-gadfium 18:36, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- I see that we are loosing the best over this. Sad but full of sense. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for that statement of principle. I hope that, sometime in the not too distant fuuture, circumstances will change sufficiently to allow you to take up the bit again. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Another good admin (no, it's not an oxymoron) bites the dust. I hope for better days in the future, because right now (as elsewhere, dammit) the inmates are running the asylum. Take care and all the best, Miniapolis 23:57, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
I am sad
I understand and sympathise 100%, but I'm still sad to see you resign. And rather furious about the entire bloody situation. It would be nice to be in a position to buy you an actual pint, but I guess this will have to suffice. bonadea contributions talk 17:47, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
- +1 What Bonadea said. Happy days, LindsayHello 17:53, 22 June 2019 (UTC) (and the first two words of my signature are inappropriate)
- Me too. I hope the WMF has the gumption to fix what they've screwed up, and that at some point you feel able to return here. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:11, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- I too hope that things get fixed and that you will be comfortable returning to your role as an administrator. I wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Joining the sentiments of the rest. Your work as an editor and admin are invaluable. Best wishes to you on WikiP and even more so off. MarnetteD|Talk 18:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Saddening and frustrating, but also perfectly understandable. But thank you, Boing, for taking a principled stand here. Hope very much you will return soon and to a more sensible place. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Agree with the sentiments above - I hope this gets resolved soon.S Philbrick(Talk) 19:42, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- I too hope that things get fixed and that you will be comfortable returning to your role as an administrator. I wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Unfortunate but understandable. Serving in a regime where you can be excommunicated for behaviour without actually being told how your behaviour is unacceptable is untenable, and quite frankly, absurd. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead. –xenotalk 19:38, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- +1 What Bonadea & others have posted up-thread. I don't know what to do, but for me these are sad days indeed around WP. Shearonink (talk) 19:51, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Also expressing my sadness, and my thanks for your service as an admin. It can be a thankless task, I know. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- I join the sentiments of the others: Losing you is a great loss to the administration of this website. Best wishes; and, once this is all over, should you wish to have the mop anew, you'll have my vote. —Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 22:21, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
I've studiously avoided commenting on any of the current situation. I'm a long time editor, but have been on an extended wikibreak and mostly inactive for the last 6 years. I've seen your handle pop up for the 11 years-ish I have been here and can not remember it ever being for anything negative. You no longer being a sysop is a great loss to the community. Hopefully the OFFICE pulls it's head out soon and fixes all of this. :-( Heiro 00:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Question
When you used to revoke talk page access of various accounts, why do you remove email access as additional block parameter? Simply interested to know. --212.76.254.158 (talk) 20:18, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- It depends entirely on the individual circumstances, and there is no general answer I can give you. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2019 (UTC)