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I haven't made up my mind yet about Carnildo, and probably won't for the next few days. But I thought your points were very well thought out, and extremely well expressed. So well, in fact, that I wonder were you unconsciously |
I haven't made up my mind yet about Carnildo, and probably won't for the next few days. But I thought your points were very well thought out, and extremely well expressed. So well, in fact, that I wonder were you unconsciously copying from ''Sense and Sensibility'', where Elinor was "mortified, shocked, confounded"? Anyway, I appreciate your understanding of how a block log affects some people (though I think others don't seem to mind). I've always been a bit annoyed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Carnildo&page=User%3AGordonWatts this], though the subsequent blocks and the consequences were, of course, far worse. On the other hand, I've seen people just disappearing from Wikipedia after an unsuccessful RfA, so I can't help feeling some admiration for someone who sticks around and keeps working for the project, despite the humiliation or being desysopped. Cheers. [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<b><font size="3">♫</font></b>]] 21:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
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::Yes well, so long as I'm Mr. Darcy definitely not Mr. Wykham, what do you say [[User: Bishonen|Lady Catherine]]? [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 21:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
::Yes well, so long as I'm Mr. Darcy definitely not Mr. Wykham, what do you say [[User: Bishonen|Lady Catherine]]? [[User:Giano|Giano]] | [[User talk:Giano|talk]] 21:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I say what I always say, which is go away, freak. Thanks, Ann. Crushed, affronted, chagrined, embarrassed, humbled, was she? Was that when Lucy "confided" her engagement? I bet Elinor had access to the fine resource wordsmyth.net, I never say a word without it for my part. :-) I believe you and I both commented on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Kelly+Martin&page=User%3AMONGO this "lovetap" block], didn't we? I contemn, detest, abhor, and abominate 'em! :-) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC). |
:::I say what I always say, which is go away, freak. Thanks, Ann. Crushed, affronted, chagrined, embarrassed, humbled, was she? Was that when Lucy "confided" her engagement? I bet Elinor had access to the fine resource wordsmyth.net, I never say a word without it for my part. :-) I believe you and I both commented on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Kelly+Martin&page=User%3AMONGO this "lovetap" block], didn't we? I contemn, detest, abhor, and abominate 'em! :-) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC). |
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::::Yes, the "mortified, shocked, confounded" emotion was after Elinor's walk with Lucy.[http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/romance/SenseandSensibility/chap22.html] It wouldn't, to my mind, have been nearly so effective if she had used the more normal "and", which is why I liked your "affects people, shocks them, insults them". As for "lovetap" blocks, I agree that the inconvenience of not being able to edit is mild compared to the slap in the face; and when administrators block established users without warning, when the block could not reasonably have been predicted, I take no leave of them, I send no compliments to their mothers, I am most seriously displeased![http://www.austen.com/pride/vol3ch14.htm] [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<b><font size="3">♫</font></b>]] 18:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::Watch it, girlie! You're nearing my vocabulary now. [[User:Geogre|Dr. Johnson]] |
::Watch it, girlie! You're nearing my vocabulary now. [[User:Geogre|Dr. Johnson]] |
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:::No, ''you'' watch your back, boyo. See me making a grab [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=72712381 right here] for your Eloquent Wikipedian of the Year trophy? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 14:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC). |
:::No, ''you'' watch your back, boyo. See me making a grab [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=72712381 right here] for your Eloquent Wikipedian of the Year trophy? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 14:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC). |
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:::Oh, oh, would that be a 22-year-old ''hot'' Floridian? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 15:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC). |
:::Oh, oh, would that be a 22-year-old ''hot'' Floridian? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 15:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC). |
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::All hot chicks must be defended, as they are, without a doubt, all legitimate if there is a chance that they will talk dirty. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 19:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC) |
::All hot chicks must be defended, as they are, without a doubt, all legitimate if there is a chance that they will talk dirty. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 19:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Hmmm, I'm not sure what dear Aunt Jane would think about hot chicks being discussed in a thread that's named after her. [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|<b><font size="3">♫</font></b>]] 18:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC) |
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So I went to write what I thought might be a new article on [[Satanic School]], but, of course, an uncharacteristically verbose (three whole lines!) port from the Nutall Superbrief Blurb of Literature was already there. I noticed that it was in only one category -- that being Nutall -- so I went to put it into some more. Our literature category does not have subcats for Renaissance, Augustan, Romantic, Victorian, Edwardian, Georgian, Modern, Post-mortem literatures, so this article, which is quintessentially Romanticism, has no subcat to belong to. If a body wanted a ton of edits on categories, it would be an easy thing to create subcats for all the breakdown of academe and then start trying to but things in their proper boxes. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 23:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC) |
So I went to write what I thought might be a new article on [[Satanic School]], but, of course, an uncharacteristically verbose (three whole lines!) port from the Nutall Superbrief Blurb of Literature was already there. I noticed that it was in only one category -- that being Nutall -- so I went to put it into some more. Our literature category does not have subcats for Renaissance, Augustan, Romantic, Victorian, Edwardian, Georgian, Modern, Post-mortem literatures, so this article, which is quintessentially Romanticism, has no subcat to belong to. If a body wanted a ton of edits on categories, it would be an easy thing to create subcats for all the breakdown of academe and then start trying to but things in their proper boxes. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 23:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC) |
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Where's the grass, weed will do.
Hello, Sicilia, fancy seeing you here. I'm going to be on wikibreak for a few days myself, you'll have to find your own weed. Bishonen | talk 22:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC).
Guidance help
Hi Bishonen! Thanks for the offer of guidance with WP:NOR and WP:V, I really appreciate it! Here’s my understanding as it relates to my comments about the baby talking at six months:
For the sake of argument, say there is an indisputably reliable source that says that Natasha’s mother said “Natasha could speak by the age of six months.” Then say there’s an equally reliable source that says it’s impossible for a baby to speak before 12 months of age. WP:V says "Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources, regardless of whether individual editors view that material as true or false. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is thus verifiability, not truth."
I take that to mean that we can report Natasha’s mother’s statement in the Wikipedia Article, word for word, even though it’s not true. She said it, it’s verifiable.
Where am I going wrong with that? Thanks! Dreadlocke ☥ 00:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Several things are wrong with it. In the first place, the article is supposed to be about Natasha Demkina, not about her mother, right? I assume you'd mention both those reliable sources (if you didn't, somebody else would), and a foolish, random, and provably false statement about ND by her mother doesn't say anything about ND; it only says things (embarrassing things) about her mother. The article isn't about her mother, and Wikipedia also isn't about embarrassing vulnerable people for no good reason. I call her vulnerable because that's a good word for a person who'll put herself out in the public sphere in such a way. I have no idea if her claims about her daughter are signs of carelessness, memory problems, mendacity... whatever, but (in your hypothetical case) I do know they're not true. Your argument that we can quote them seems to me, if you don't mind my saying so, based on the letter rather than the spirit of the policy. The policies aren't meant to be cherrypicked like that, you're supposed to read and digest the whole of them and get to grips with the spirit of them. Try asking yourself, not "Can we quote it?" but rather "Why would we quote it, to what end?" And now I really am going on wikibreak, please see the top of this page. I'd rather you didn't continue this thread here while I'm away, but you're welcome back on Monday. Bishonen | talk 00:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC).
Award
I'm awarding this award to you:
The da Vinci Barnstar | ||
I'm awarding this to you for making Wikipedia a better place and for your valued assisstance and patience to me. Martial Law |
- Also, by the way, welcome back. Martial Law 06:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
IRC
Oh, sure! I haven't been around much recently due to off-site obligations, but I'm off school this week, so I should have the time. I'll pop on at my first convinience and message you, and we can chat about whatever you need to chat about. --InShaneee 12:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Alrighty. I should be on today around 21:00 UTC (I think that's correct). --InShaneee 19:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh no, not at all! I get home from work around that time most days, so if not today, perhaps Wed, Thurs, or Fri? --InShaneee 19:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed. I do hope that tooth feels better! --InShaneee 19:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Bored?
God! It's dull here today, my watch list is hardly moving, where is everyone? Giano | talk 13:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm debating porn. [1] Geogre 14:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Bored? Bored? I wish I was bored. I have a root canal crappola, classes tomorrow, and all my prep time gone west. You guys will have to deal with your aristocratic ennui and your under-the-bed stack all by yourselves. Bishonen | talk 16:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC).
- Oh I thought you were very quiet (no pun intended) how very awful for you, I have never had tooth ache in my whole life, and have perfect toothies, all white a shiny, I think it's because I brushed them twice a day as a child and drank all my milk and orange juice! I'm no longer bored, I've been internet shoping and bought lots of new clothes (I bought my famed chest-wig on the internet you know) this also stops Mrs G from becoming bored as she has to pack them all up and send them back when they arrive as they are usually all the wrong colour and size, or else she feels they are not suitable for someone of my age, I always think they will make me look like the model, but sadly they seldom do, in fact the last pair of sun glasses she said made me look like a bluebottle, I'm not sure why I married her sometimes. Hope the toothies clear up - have you tried flossing? Giano | talk 16:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Sympathies on the teeth, Bish. I got my copy of Betterton; it's as good as you promised. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Isn't it great? Full of meat and matter. Giano, don't concern yourself about the conversation, that'll be moot as soon as your turkette is properly deleted, which I see will be in short order. Bishonen | talk 17:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC).
Damn, woman. I thought we were done with the endodontics. Sure way to get me to run away, mentioning the E-word. I have that half-done r.c. that's been waiting for infection and premature death for years/decades now, all thanks to the virtues of capitalism and the invisible hand of the free market. That hand rarely carries floss, in the US. I prefer to dive under the bed. Geogre 17:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- In the UK, floss rots your teeth instead of saves it. If you've seen my bl*g, you know the moods I've been in. Geogre 21:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Wow, and here I thought that last one was the most severe blurting out of existential despair ever (at least ever by me). Camus's dead Arab and Sartre's upset stomach had nothing on it, I thought. Our ends are so far from our beginnings that they scarcely know themselves, I guess (to crib from that American hero of despair, TSE). That reminds me: I should probably give The Four Quartets another go, now that I'm old enough to ignore the critical apparatus and apparatchiks. Geogre 01:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Business as usual
- Oooooooh! You used the F-word! You used the F-word! Good for you! But be careful when using that word, Bish. A lot of the people who deserve it are ones who are likely to mistake it for a complement or a come-on. :-) Askolnick 17:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't know. Not only don't I IRC, I'm rather comfortable being a social misfit. Can't you tell? :-) Askolnick 18:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
The Illuminotus! Trilogy
- The f-word? Seeing fnords again? Been to fjords? I hear the fjords are lovely this time of year, except for the m00se bites. (Was going to call you, but we have a driving appointment for the doctor, and I'm not sure my mind is wholly my own just now.) Geogre 18:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Great. Or we could do a strike through of the actual moron, above, as the stench is rather unncecessary. Geogre 20:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- You needn't call me an idiot, you know, just because my telepathy is on the blink. Ackoz says that I'm arrogant. I can't be both, unless I'm the president of the United States, and I'm pretty sure that I'm not, as I was even more unelected than he was. I took a self-test at the doctor's office today. According to it, I'm depressed and need medication. Also according to another self test, I have PMS and erectile dysfunction ("Can you perform sexually whenever you desire to?" Well, I don't have a lover, so I'd say that's a big "no") as well as painful shyness and probably several forms of hypertension and HPV. That should make me an object of pity, not scorn. Geogre 00:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Finally I'm reduced to an object of pity? You're mean. (Yes, I know what you're referring to.) Geogre 10:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Jane Austen
I haven't made up my mind yet about Carnildo, and probably won't for the next few days. But I thought your points were very well thought out, and extremely well expressed. So well, in fact, that I wonder were you unconsciously copying from Sense and Sensibility, where Elinor was "mortified, shocked, confounded"? Anyway, I appreciate your understanding of how a block log affects some people (though I think others don't seem to mind). I've always been a bit annoyed by this, though the subsequent blocks and the consequences were, of course, far worse. On the other hand, I've seen people just disappearing from Wikipedia after an unsuccessful RfA, so I can't help feeling some admiration for someone who sticks around and keeps working for the project, despite the humiliation or being desysopped. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 21:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes well, so long as I'm Mr. Darcy definitely not Mr. Wykham, what do you say Lady Catherine? Giano | talk 21:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- I say what I always say, which is go away, freak. Thanks, Ann. Crushed, affronted, chagrined, embarrassed, humbled, was she? Was that when Lucy "confided" her engagement? I bet Elinor had access to the fine resource wordsmyth.net, I never say a word without it for my part. :-) I believe you and I both commented on this "lovetap" block, didn't we? I contemn, detest, abhor, and abominate 'em! :-) Bishonen | talk 22:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC).
- Yes, the "mortified, shocked, confounded" emotion was after Elinor's walk with Lucy.[2] It wouldn't, to my mind, have been nearly so effective if she had used the more normal "and", which is why I liked your "affects people, shocks them, insults them". As for "lovetap" blocks, I agree that the inconvenience of not being able to edit is mild compared to the slap in the face; and when administrators block established users without warning, when the block could not reasonably have been predicted, I take no leave of them, I send no compliments to their mothers, I am most seriously displeased![3] AnnH ♫ 18:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- I say what I always say, which is go away, freak. Thanks, Ann. Crushed, affronted, chagrined, embarrassed, humbled, was she? Was that when Lucy "confided" her engagement? I bet Elinor had access to the fine resource wordsmyth.net, I never say a word without it for my part. :-) I believe you and I both commented on this "lovetap" block, didn't we? I contemn, detest, abhor, and abominate 'em! :-) Bishonen | talk 22:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC).
- Watch it, girlie! You're nearing my vocabulary now. Dr. Johnson
- No, you watch your back, boyo. See me making a grab right here for your Eloquent Wikipedian of the Year trophy? Bishonen | talk 14:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC).
- See, I'd have added, "And there's an end on't!" It's a fine line between genius and prose, though. (Now, I must go flourish my cape or cap a Floridian or something.) Geogre 15:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- All hot chicks must be defended, as they are, without a doubt, all legitimate if there is a chance that they will talk dirty. Geogre 19:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes well, so long as I'm Mr. Darcy definitely not Mr. Wykham, what do you say Lady Catherine? Giano | talk 21:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Cats
So I went to write what I thought might be a new article on Satanic School, but, of course, an uncharacteristically verbose (three whole lines!) port from the Nutall Superbrief Blurb of Literature was already there. I noticed that it was in only one category -- that being Nutall -- so I went to put it into some more. Our literature category does not have subcats for Renaissance, Augustan, Romantic, Victorian, Edwardian, Georgian, Modern, Post-mortem literatures, so this article, which is quintessentially Romanticism, has no subcat to belong to. If a body wanted a ton of edits on categories, it would be an easy thing to create subcats for all the breakdown of academe and then start trying to but things in their proper boxes. Geogre 23:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, there is bound to be a WikiProject to do that sort of useful task... Wikipedia:WikiProject Books? -- ALoan (Talk) 00:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Aren't they the people who just put big templates on pages saying, "We found it, and now we've claimed it, and we think it isn't right until it looks like the article for The Giver?" Filiocht, upon whom be peace, actually wanted a literature project. For some reason, it never really cohered or gathered knowledgeable volunteers the way that, say, ProjectDigimon did. Geogre 01:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank You
For being so levelheaded and helping me out in these silly revert wars. I havent thanked you before because I was trying to lay low but sometimes I just cant help but edit. Anyway, I do appreciate your stewardship of wikipedia and if you ever need help with anything...just let me know. Feel free to delete this comment at anytime. Ha. Jasper23 02:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Haha. . My pleasure. I hate that stupid "Keep my beautiful template on your page or else"—unfortunately there seems to be more and more of it. Just let me know if anybody tries it on again. Bishonen | talk 04:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC).
Que??
Do you need a massage?. lol --Woohookitty(meow) 05:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Some other time, Woohoo dear. And what a waste of time—see the next edit? I decided to comment out the random mess instead. Not that plenty of the so-called "biographical overview" isn't equally irrelevant. Some article. Bishonen | talk 05:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC).
This case is now closed and the result has been published at the link above.
Eternal Equinox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is placed on Probation and personal attack parole for one year.
Jim62sch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is cautioned to avoid teasing or taunting sensitive users.
For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 13:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Fire of London
Hi, I've just sent you an email containing information on the Great Fire of London. I don't like to put it on your page as I'm not sure if one can edit user space. It is a bit long to paste here. Regards Aspern 18:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Um
Not to throw oil on a fire, but are you aware Kylu has blocked Giano for 48 hrs? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Two awards
The Barnstar of Good Humor | ||
This is to award you for your gentle disposition. Martial Law |
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
As does this award. Martial Law |
These awards are for you for being of valued assisstance, patience towards me. Keep up the good work. Martial Law 04:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC):)
WP, a dangerous place to be
I'm of course refering to the following report. El_C 06:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hm, but if we exchange PNGs for SVGs or GIFs, we'll do less to piss off the Indonesian military. Tupsharru 07:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Does this mean that we're funding the Papua New Guinea Defense Force every time we look at a picture of Publicgirluk? Who knew? Geogre 11:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
InShanee
If you'll recall, you banned me from posting on AN/I, after i posted a complaint documenting being harassed by Admin User:Inshanee [[4]]. I see another user has voiced a nearly identical complaint [[5]] which is confirmed by the viewpoint of other Admins. InShanee continues to post threats and unsolicited opinions on my user talk page [[6]] as well. I have continually asked him to cease. Could you please look into this? It's really out of hand, as I hope this new complaint helps to show. It is not this person's place to be a content moderator. Thanks. Sarastro777 07:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please Sarastro777, I'd prefer that you not ride your complaint against InShaneee on top of mine. While you may be experiencing a similar bullying attitude from InShaneee, the conduct for which I filed a complaint is not quite the same as what you're complaining about. An administrator can remove some kinds of personal attacks and an administrator can block or threaten to block editors for any serious violation of Wiki's No Personal Attack Rule. That's not the same as being a "content moderator." What InShaneee did to me was to falsely call my editing a personal attack, remove it, and then threatened to block me if I put my comments back. That's censorship and an abuse of his administative powers. Thanks for your understanding. Askolnick 17:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Bathos
You know Pope's definition of "Bathos," I'm sure, and I trust you to know the modern meaning, as well. Take a look at the contention between myself and another editor at Bathos, if you get a chance, and weigh in on the talk page. My feeling is that nothing allegorical, much less anything allegorical and mystical, can suffer from "Bathos," because the usual rules are in abeyance. This is aside from when and whether an image moves from the bathos to the sublime. Whether Pope himself would have applied the definition to the Bible or not (and we know that answer), I feel pretty strongly that no mystical allegories are susceptible. Anyway, your thoughts, even if they're contrary to mine, are welcomed. Geogre 14:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
statem
Seeing how thou art. Art thou available by phone, or art thou hiddenest amongst the heathen sacrifices of Odin's grove? Or hast the rage of the pagan finally driven thee to the depths? Geogre 11:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Egregious wikistupidities hath driven me from the site. :-( Phoneth in a couple of hours if you like. I'm just going out now. Bishonen | talk 11:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC).
- Art thou saying, "Art thou is the concealment of art thou"? Askolnick 15:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I am reminded of the words of an old song [7]: Why do the heathen rage and put their faith in a vain thing? I was afraid that such might be the case. You wert driven from the site but not to thy haven home of e-mail (four words never before yoked together, that). I am thinking of writing something essayistic, myself. I might ring your bells around 2100 GMT, or when I see an ikon telling me that you're there. Geogre 15:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
A Favour
Bishonen, I keep having an unwelcome editor on my page. No doubt hoping I will break the three revert so I can be conveniently banned. Would you be so kind as to ask him to desist and take his comments away with him. He seems rather slow in taking the hint that he is unwelcome there. Have you seen ALoan's new page on FAC it really is very good indeed. Giano | talk 17:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)