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Hi Bishonen, hope you are fine. Wish you a very happy & prosperous new year! {{noping|Deep singh kumawat}} has been involved in slow edit warring, trying to promote the communities (Kumhar & Kumawat) using unacceptable sources and mostly trying to remove sourced content from the article on [[Kumhar]], see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kumhar&diff=1166239247&oldid=1166227421 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kumhar&diff=1189836996&oldid=1184524330 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kumhar&diff=1194194532&oldid=1194173531 3] & similar ones (in spite of warnings and discretionary sanctions alert on their talk page)! Now, after the recent revert, Deep singh kumawat is trying to threaten me saying they have admin friends in Hindi Wikipedia and some higher authority will 'prevent' me 'from getting promotion' (God knows what they mean)! But this is not the problem; the problem is when I reverted this edit along with a proper edit summary [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEkdalian&diff=1194332700&oldid=1194329012 here], they have reverted my talk page edit ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEkdalian&diff=1194454713&oldid=1194381410 here])! I guess Deep singh believes that they would decide what I should allow on my talk page! Please intervene. Thanks & Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 07:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Happy new year to you too, [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]]. I've posted some advice for the user. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC). |
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::Thank you so much, Bishonen! Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 09:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]],You are misinterpreting my statements.If you find my article threatening, I am willing to make corrections, that is, I will rarely write like this again.I was asking you to be a compassionate person like my admin friends.From which you have taken inappropriate meaning, perhaps,I am obliged to say sorry to you. |
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: I had given a government reference in place of the removed reference to increase information/knowledge. |
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:@[[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] has not given a proper reason for undoing this.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1194173531 1] I am not promoting any caste or community, I have just tried to publish the reliable information I get about them. Despite this, if you feel that I am wrong somewhere, please write with discretion. [[User:Deep singh kumawat|दीपसिंह]] 10:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information icon4.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.<!--Template:Discussion notice--><!--Template:ANI-notice--> [[User:Simpul skitsofreeneea|Simpul skitsofreeneea]] ([[User talk:Simpul skitsofreeneea|talk]]) 17:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC) |
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In the [[List of converts to Hinduism from Islam]] article, I removed 4 as they did not had the [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|WP:RS]] and [[Wikipedia:No original research|WP:OR]] sources. First one: [[Nargis]], in her article I cant see any info regarding her conversion to hinduism in fact opposite "''she expressed her wish to be buried following the Islamic rites, Sunil and Sanjay eventually offering the Islamic funeral prayer''" in the '''Personal''' section. |
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Another is [[Khusrau Khan|Khusro Khan]], his [[Religion]] section explicity states that "''Barani's narrative is unreliable, and contradicted by more reliable sources. Khusrau Khan wished to be seen as a normal Muslim monarch, and had the khutba in the mosques read in his name.''" Hence including him on the list severely violates [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|WP:NPOV]] and [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|WP:RS]] and [[Wikipedia:Fringe theories|WP:Fringe]]. |
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Another case is of two brothers, [[Harihara I]] and [[Bukka Raya I]], both articles explicity state that their early life is "''unknown and most accounts are based on various speculative theories''" the same paragraph that conjecture their religion. So we need stronger and more [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|WP:Reliable]] sources to make them in the list. |
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Can you please see if the revert did not violated ''Wikipedia's'' policies. [[Special:Contributions/182.183.11.100|182.183.11.100]] ([[User talk:182.183.11.100|talk]]) 20:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC) |
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I just saw your kindly defence of me here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=254106289] what a joy to see that. The other customary accusations of eating babies, puppies, kittens and the black magic sacrifices I make before releasing a page into mainspace I can live with. Even the voodoo curses I enact on admins who block me - all true, but you my sweet spotted the lie. Thank you so much. |
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Dearly platinate, please accept wishes for a cool and fruitful year. |
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Love. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 15:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I wonder if you could take a look at [[Neri Oxman]] and recent edit streams there, where it seems hard to maintain proportionality. I don't want to spar with the ornery, as it feels like care is warranted, and would welcome your perspective. <span style="color:#666">– [[User:Sj|SJ]][[User Talk:Sj|<span style="color:#f90;"> +</span>]]</span> 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:About the plagiarism allegations? Man, what a lot of editing. I suppose people basically agree that the plagiarism issue should be in the article, and that ''Business Insider'' is an OK source for it? The question is if it should be in the lead. I'll keep my opinion on that to myself, since I intend to protect the article. Daniel Case has semiprotected; that I don't understand, since there's an edit war on, not IP disruption. I've upped it to full protection. A good year to you too, [[User:Sj|little user]]! (Oops, that was Bishzilla getting into my head.) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:: <laugh> Yea, it seems a combination of PIA-fringe and politics is spreading to a range of academic articles this season. It's mainly a question of how quickly and prominently media cyclones propagate allegations into biographies. A wordy section with five separate BI cites is generous to news tails that may wish to wag article dogs. And here (as with the Rufo articles on [[Claudine Gay]]) the news outlet was making the news, not reporting on it. That feels like a different role than the one we usually evaluate in considering reliability. <span style="color:#666">– [[User:Sj|SJ]][[User Talk:Sj|<span style="color:#f90;"> +</span>]]</span> 19:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::You're a sensible person, so I'm sure you agree with me on the lead-thing. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Oh, well, probably everybody spotted it and nobody else thought it worth refuting.. I was promptly advised on IRC against having a battle of wits with an unarmed <s>man</s> woman, by a user who is something of an expert on that subject, so I think I'll merely ignore if I see any more attacks on that kind of level. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 15:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC). |
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Hey Bish! I've been looking into some Indian weirdness (lots of spam and UPE) but I'm coming across lots of weirdness that isn't what I'm looking for. Any chance you could have a look at [[Special:Contributions/Hsc285|this hyper-focused editor]] and decide if their contributions are good, bad, or indifferent? They're not what I'm looking for and I don't deal with Indian subcontinent topics. Thanks! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span>]] 14:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC) |
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*Very focussed - either the subject or an acolyte. I am not bothered enough to start checking the sources, but if they do check out I suggest it should be left alone. It might not get the traffic of a minor anime character, but it might be a more worthwhile subject in the future. (yes, I do nose around India sub-continent issues - mostly ensuring that caste or religious affiliations to not overburden an article). [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 16:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Snow needed at [[talk:David Irving#Proposed move]] '''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:Purple">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:Orange">Spiel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:Pink">Chequers]]'''</span> 17:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC) |
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*Thanks, little [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard]]. I would figure an acolyte, for myself. Some of it isn't sourced at all, other than to Pattanaik's own words. You need my what, [[User:HJ Mitchell|Harry]]? Honestly, it's true I've found myself somewhat pulled into Indian subjects, but it's not exactly because I understand them. Little talkpage stalkers? {{u|RegentsPark}}, {{u|Abecedare}}, {{u|Vanamonde93}}, {{u|SpacemanSpiff}}? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC). |
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*:Why would one of your (very many) acolytes be editing this article..? [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 17:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::No problem, [[User:Trusilver]] turned out to be a worthy Rouge admin and snowed it forthwith. I guess some of the fiddlier templates must be difficult to manipulate when you're 80 foot tall. '''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:Purple">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:Orange">Spiel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:Pink">Chequers]]'''</span> 18:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC) |
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*::Aha, it's probably Bishzilla! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC). |
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*:::My guess would also be that this is an acolyte, possibly with a COI, but the low rate of edits and long time frame suggests to me this isn't UPE. I suspect this individual is notable, but substantive coverage is sparse, and someone will have to dig for reviews of his books to write a neutral article. I'd suggest a p-block from the page until they answer questions about their COI, and taking it from there. The page is full of puffery but I'm not immediately seeing a clean version to revert to, it may have to sit under a tag until someone else musters the energy to fix it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 21:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC) |
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*::::Pattanaik is definitely notable but the article is weird. Having ruffled a lot of feathers, he gets a lot of criticism from both sides of the ideological spectrum and all that is clearly missing. That said, I'm not sure this would be UPE, more like a fan's edits (we get that a lot). Compare this article with [[Pema Khandu]] and this would even look like a candidate for a Pulitzer! —[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color: #BA181F;">Spaceman</span>]]'''[[User talk:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color: #2B18BA;">Spiff</span>]]''' 01:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello, Bishonen. Do you think you could revision delete the latest contribution on the talk page of [[User:Peterzabriskie]], labeled "redact"? It was me erasing my real name from several of his comments after he ignored my request to keep my identity anonymous after we go into [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse/Peter Zabriskie transcript|a debate]] some months ago. Thanks in advance. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 22:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:I did not ignore any of the comments. [[Special:Contributions/174.240.160.251|174.240.160.251]] ([[User talk:174.240.160.251|talk]]) 22:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Hiya Bishonen. It would've been cool, to have had my comments responded to by SlimVirgin ''herself'' (as they were ''meant'' for her). Anyways, I've scratched them out. Jeepers, I didn't wanna see her getting blocked either, ya know. Ya'll should learn to ''relax'' a little. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::[[User:Peterzabriskie]], Well, you clearly did to my request not to use my real name. Also, why are you using an IP? Don't you have an account? [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 22:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I am just responding to your pursuit [[Special:Contributions/174.240.160.251|174.240.160.251]] ([[User talk:174.240.160.251|talk]]) 22:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::ps your timing is coincidentally curious: I no sooner hit submit to The US Copyright Office to register past works of mine. Making me possibly less "not noteworthy " but your resurrection of this ancient dispute surfaces again. Lol. [[Special:Contributions/174.240.160.251|174.240.160.251]] ([[User talk:174.240.160.251|talk]]) 22:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Not surprised your cool, with that hat you have been taking off all over the place today. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 20:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Reworded response: That is a coincidence indeed. I'm not sure how you think I would know that you did that. And I did not resurrect it and am not making an attempt to continue it; I simply transcribed it to my Wikipedia page because I believe conversations pertinent to Wikipedia contributions should stay here. And there is no "pursuit"; I didn't even intend for you to get involved. Maybe we could carry this conversation to my talk page? Though I would prefer that it just gets discontinued, especially if we are both content with the way things turned out. Also, you didn't answer my first question. Just curious why you aren't logged in? [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 22:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I've got alot of hats. I only hope I can remember where I left them. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::The name appears already in [[Special:Diff/1172426675|this edit]], [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]], and in every revision from then onwards, so I'd have to revision delete pretty much the entire page history. I'm not sure that's reasonable, and there's also the risk of a [[Streisand effect]]. As for you, [[User:174.240.160.251]] / [[User:Peterzabriskie]], you can either log in to your account or get lost from this page. If you act again to make your doxxing more prominent or otherwise disrupt Wikipedia, you will be blocked. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:::::Didn't notice that. Good point. Could you make time to read that transcript of mine? Of course you don't have to but I find it rather amusing. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 22:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Sorry, I'm lost. Where is it? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:::::::In any case, it'll have to be tomorrow. Bedtime here. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC). |
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::::::::[[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse/Peter Zabriskie transcript|Here]]. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 22:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::The email mentioned below wasn't Zabriskie, was it? [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 22:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Not at all, no. Something completely different. I hope you have now received my reply, [[User:Ritchie333|Ritchie333]]? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 02:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC). |
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::::::::::I did, and your advice was acted upon. I have dropped a penny in the Bishzilla charity box. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Haha! [''Bishzilla eats the penny. Politely:''] Fine flavour! [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#0FF"><big>''bishzilla''</big></b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;"><sub>R</sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></i>]] [[User:Bishzilla/Srp|<b style="color:#33E">pocket</b>]] 10:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC). |
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{{ygm}} [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi Bishonen.. you had page blocked the user {{noping|Vishwabrahman52}} from the article on [[Rathakara]]! How can they still edit the article? Thanks & Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 07:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Beware L'esprit de la Comtesse de Burgh...whooohooohoooschreeeeeeeeeechc [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 22:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::: [''Delighted'' ] Is little Lady! Come sit in Spiderman suit pocket Lady C! Incidentally 'Zilla talkpage superior. Discriminating little users watch! [[User:Bishzilla|<font face="comic sans ms"><font color="cyan"><i><b><big>bishzilla</big></b></i></font></font>]] ''[[User talk:Bishzilla|<font color="magenta"><sub><small>R</small></sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></font>]]'' 23:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC). |
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:Oh, my bad! They were page blocked for six months; hence they are back now doing exactly what we expect from them! Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 07:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Right. I've warned. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:::Thanks a lot! Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 12:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[User:Sarthakhereluck|Sarthakhereluck]] == |
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Is there a reason you hardblocked {{u|Sarthakhereluck}}? The main account is probably affected by the autoblock. [[User:Someone who's wrong on the internet|Someone who's wrong on the internet]] ([[User talk:Someone who's wrong on the internet|talk]]) 16:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, [[User:Someone who's wrong on the internet|Someone who's wrong on the internet]]. I wanted to stop them from creating further accounts, but thinking about it, you're probably right that autoblocking wasn't the best idea (even though the main account isn't exactly behaving like god's gift to Wikipedia). I've changed it. Thanks for your vigilance! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC). |
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::No prob! [[User:Someone who's wrong on the internet|Someone who's wrong on the internet]] ([[User talk:Someone who's wrong on the internet|talk]]) 18:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== That works == |
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It's nice to know others keep an eye :-). However, as it turns out, that charming IP editor is a longtime unregistered contributor who I suspect most admins would recognise under his old IP of 68.39.174.238. His dumb ISP caused a forced "rename" last week, so now he doesn't have his 23,000-edit history attached anymore. Poor guy, now all the hugglers and twinklers are going to start calling his edits "vandalism" again; I think the software programmers had put his old IP on the "ignore" list. Thanks again. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 01:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Thanks for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=158487867 cutting the Gordian knot] of my own design, Bish. I was about to routinely block them, but then got myself caught up with wanting to avoid the appearance of INVOLVED, and then that developed into paralysis about whether it was worth making an AE report...this is a much simpler solution. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|⚇]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|♔]] 19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Sleep == |
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:I'm afraid I enjoyed it, [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC). |
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== Temporary protection request == |
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No.--[[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] ([[User talk:Tznkai|talk]]) 16:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Can you temporarily protect the article [[Nilathingal Thundam Perumal temple]]? [[User:Sudarshanazhwan]] has the habit of deleting paragraphs in that article. |
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== WP:CIV == |
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Yours sincerely, [[Special:Contributions/31.200.16.100|31.200.16.100]] ([[User talk:31.200.16.100|talk]]) 07:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Please keep [[WP:CIV]] in mind when interacting with other editors. Being rude gets you nowhere, and won't convince anyone of your point of view. It does add ''blatherskite'' to people's vocabularies, granted, but that is hardly sufficient compensation for the ill will it creates. --[[User:fvw|fvw]][[User talk:Fvw|<SMALL><FONT COLOR="green">*</FONT></SMALL>]] 04:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:Hi, IP. Sudarshanazhwan has been indefinitely blocked, so there shouldn't be any need for protection. Feel free to come back here if there should be more disruption at the article. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC). |
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::Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/31.200.16.100|31.200.16.100]] ([[User talk:31.200.16.100|talk]]) 10:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Caste warrior == |
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:"Please keep [[WP:CIV]] in mind when interacting with other editors. Being rude gets you nowhere, and won't convince anyone of your point of view." Irony! [[User:Akhilleus|--Akhilleus]] ([[User talk:Akhilleus|talk]]) 04:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Hi Bishonen.. can you please take appropriate action against the user {{noping|Elizabethhistoric77}}. Please check the revision history of the article on [[Das (surname)]] to get an idea of the kind of persistent vandalism by the user in spite of all forms of warnings! Thanks & Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 16:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Nasty == |
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:@[[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] Sorry, it's too late for Bish to do anything. Done and dusted. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 16:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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No need for nasty comments. I have barely poked my nose into this place for months and when I do it is all strangely familiar. I see no need for you to rebuke me for a comment I have already apologized for. The very criticism you bring towards my comments could just as readily be applied to your comment towards me. I have not been here for weeks, and when I show up there you are to criticize me. I notice I am not the only person you have told to shut up. [[User talk:Chillum|<font color="Green">'''Chillum'''</font>]] 06:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thank you so much, {{u|Doug Weller}}. Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 16:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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==Testing== |
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This section is for testing. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:Can I test too? [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 21:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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I was hoping Bishzilla would show up at G's page, to breathe fire on Fred, but alas, the ever rational Bishonen came in her stead... <small><sup>''S.''</sup></small><small><sub>''D.''</sub></small>'''D.J.'''[[User_talk:S. Dean Jameson|''Jameson'']] 22:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::Maybe you will fare better, [[User:Floquenbeam|Floq]]. I was trying to [[Special:Diff/1198336737|test a script]]. No luck. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:<small>..○○oo00OO(<small>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf_jKzB3SLY testing]</small> 📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣)---[[User:Sluzzelin|Sluzzelin]] [[User talk:Sluzzelin|<small>talk</small>]] 23:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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::An unforgivable oversight on my part, now remedied... <small><sup>''S.''</sup></small><small><sub>''D.''</sub></small>'''D.J.'''[[User_talk:S. Dean Jameson|''Jameson'']] 23:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:::[''Spins happily''.] All cheered up! [[Image:Bishzilla spin.gif|35px]] |
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::Yes, I rather hoped that would happen too, but thanks to woever it was who removed Fred. I suppose the ld Arbs must find the election results upsetting - we must make allowances for them during this difficult time of change. [[User: Giano II|Giano]] |
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== Unnecessary Edit War == |
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==In agreement== |
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Thanks Bishonen for removing my comments. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:Err ya missed one, but I took care of it. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Competence required?? hey wait a sec; giggle giggle. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 23:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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==Drawing a blank== |
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No ec - all your's I'm done for now. As to blanking I've had a bit of a quiet strop. See [[user talk:Risker|Risker's talk]] for Englishman about to blow (always hilarious I'm told, so I've refrained). --[[User:Joopercoopers|Joopercoopers]] ([[User talk:Joopercoopers|talk]]) 20:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:The seemingly infinite voting delay re Peter Damian has emptied-out any slightest expectation of decency from the committee that I ever harbored. Come back in January, Joop. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC). |
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Bishonen . . . In November, I made an attempt to update the Herod the Great page. I made factual changes. I supported the changes with credible sources. And the changes were summarily reverted, and so quickly that it is difficult to believe that the changes were considered for credibility. As it happens, all the changes that were undone were either changes to remove biased and derogatory disparagement of the Bible, or to remove incorrect statements that attempted to champion an uncorroborated hypothesis supported by an academic minority. A hypothesis that is not in agreement with scholars of renown, like Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim. |
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::There is some decency on the arbcom, it is just outnumbered and overpowered by the non-decent. I'm afraid not enough of the non-decent ones are leaving in January to make a difference, however. By the way, I'm still looking for a great disaster to write about, but haven't come up with one "big" enough. Have you had any thoughts along those lines? [[User:Tex|Tex]] ([[User talk:Tex|talk]]) 20:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::::[[Johnstown Flood]] and the poem written about it, which is a greater disaster. [[Cripple Creek]] and it's massive disaster? I'm sure the Canadians have been all over the Halifax explosion as a matter of national pride. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 20:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Sure, I know there are decent people on it. It would be odd if there weren't. I was referring to the low expectation of decency from the committee acting as a body. As for disasters, I've been thinking of August Strindberg's wives—walking disasters, every last one of them. ;-) (And Strindberg himself was a bit worse.) Or how about picking one from the [[List of historic fires]]? Lots of choice there. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC). |
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::::I would recommend the [[Boston Molasses Disaster]], but it's been done. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 20:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Been on the front page, I recollect. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC). |
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::::::Not sure about the front page, as it isn't in the article's milestones, but it could well be from before the day such records were kept. It is, however, a ''former'' good article, which means there's lots of good stuff there but it needs to be massaged, polished, and improved. This could well be a good choice for you, Tex. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 20:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yes, it was a long time ago, that's why I thought it worth mentioning. Nowadays a soujourn on the front page is always made clear on the talkpage, but that didn't use to be the case. Utgard, I saw a Discovery Channel feature, I think it was, about the Halifax disaster, which I remember as being very informative. It might be worth Tex's while to get hold of that. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC). |
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:::::Wow, all the choices! Imagine drowning in molasses...What a hoot that would be! And Utgard's idea of Cripple Creek interests me as well. I love the whole "old west" culture and assuming the gold mine scuffle is what you are referring to, that might be something. The list of historic fires reminded me of the [[Great Seattle Fire]]. That article doesn't do the disaster justice. I visited the [[Seattle Underground]] when I was out there last year and that was really cool. Fixing up the fire page would be an interesting project. Great, I went from having no ideas to having too many! [[User:Tex|Tex]] ([[User talk:Tex|talk]]) 21:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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==Carolean Masques== |
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Channeling Giano "Hang on I remember writing some red links for Bishonen years ago about Carolean drama, I think Jones may have designed fantastical sets with moving scenery, or was that someone else - Bishonen will rememeber." I'm pretty sure that's on the money - wasn't he in with Johnson 1600-1613ish? The threads on G's talk under copyediting. --[[User:Joopercoopers|Joopercoopers]] ([[User talk:Joopercoopers|talk]]) 00:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC) |
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The person who reverted the changes was condescending, rude, and belligerent. I stood up for myself. I was considered "rude," and he was not. I was blocked from the page. He wasn't. And I got the distinct overall impression that some favoritism was taking place. |
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While I absolutely appreciate that a lot of hacks come onto this site and make ridiculous changes, and the content certainly has to be protected from people who would pollute it with disinformation, I have been researching the topic of Herod the Great and related New Testament history for almost thirty years. I'm not a hack. I ''do'' know the information of this topic, and probably better than most. The article in its present condition is rife with biased points of view, blatantly incorrect statements relative to the known facts, and minority conclusions generally dismissed by the academic majority, while the opinions of the majority are virtually non-existent. |
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I would like to edit the article with credible changes, based on credible sources. I would like to do so without having to fight with the self-appointed watchdog over the site. I can be a quality contributor on several articles surrounding this and related topics. I have a lot of years and a lot of knowledge to share. But there's no point if the changes are going to be summarily undone. I spent a great deal of time carefully wording things and looking up sources the last time, and the first change was undone before I finished the third. It was ridiculous. I won't spend time trying to provide the internet community with valuable information if that time is going to be wasted. |
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== Thanks == |
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Furthermore, I would like to appeal once more to have the Matthew comment amended. The only relevance Matthew has to the topic of Herod is that Matthew is the source by which Herod is both famous and infamous. The ''integrity'' of Matthew's account is not germane to the topic of Herod the Great, only the existence of it. I was not the first person to try and amend it. I won't be the last. The content as it exists serves no purpose other than to disparage the Bible. That, "Herod is most famously known from the Bible's Gospel of Matthew," is as much as is relevant. The addendum that, "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred," only exists to discredit the Bible. It adds nothing to the Herod article, and the credibility of Matthew in this case is an opinion besides. I was told I couldn't add opinionated content (which I didn't actually do; I provided direct primary sources). And it's still an opinion, even if it's an opinion from a published book. Additionally, it ''is'' offensive content. And Wikipedia states that it is inclusive. If the content is offensive, not germane, and not established by any facts whatsoever, then it shouldn't be there. |
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Thanks [[User:Peter Damian|Peter Damian]] ([[User talk:Peter Damian|talk]]) 08:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:Seems like shouting into a black hole, unfortunately! :-( [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC). |
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Some guidance on these things would be appreciated. I would like to contribute without harassment, and since concise statements with quality source citations are apparently not adequate, I could use some help in understanding what I need to do to make changes that won't waste my valuable time. |
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== Tahk-sow-mick-et == |
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I wanted to message you privately, but I couldn't find an option for that, so my apologies for airing this in public. [[User:AlexFrazier|AlexFrazier]] ([[User talk:AlexFrazier|talk]]) 14:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Thanks for your comments concerning the Montana-dispute. |
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:Hello, [[User:AlexFrazier|AlexFrazier]]. In public is fine. I'm a little taken aback to see that being blocked from [[Herod the Great]] and its talkpage in November 2023 has meant that you have edited ''nothing'' since. Is Herod your only interest on Wikipedia, really? It seems unfortunate to me that you haven't used the time of your block to edit in other areas and make yourself more familiar with the culture and the policies here. I'm afraid your opinion, shown above, that the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" only exists to discredit the Bible, and is ''offensive'', suggests to me quite strongly that Wikipedia may not be the place for you. The Bible is not considered a reliable source here. Yes, as you say, you provided primary sources (such as the Bible) and drew conclusions from them. That's not how it's supposed to work per our policies: articles are supposed to be based on [[WP:RS|reliable ''secondary'' sources]]. Drawing your own conclusions from [[WP:primary sources|primary sources]] is not allowed; please, if you read nothing else that I link to, look up [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. That Wikipedia is "inclusive" does not mean that you're free to ignore our rules and policies. |
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:To summarize: if you expect me to rein in {{u|tgeorgescu}} and let you edit the article without anybody objecting or reverting, that's not going to happen. (Indeed, I couldn't do it if I wanted to.) Since you seem quite resistant to our rules, I do fear that you would in fact be wasting your time by going back to editing [[Herod the Great]], and/or arguing about it on the talkpage. I don't like to tell anybody they're not a good fit for Wikipedia, but, well, since you appear to actively dislike our principles... I'm sure there are websites out there better suited to your work. You probably know more about them than I do. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC). |
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Hyvää joulua! |
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::Are you suggesting that because I find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive that Wikipedia isn't the place for me? Am I understanding you correctly? |
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::I haven't edited anything else because it seems to me that I'll run into the same problem. |
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::Also, I didn't use the Bible as a primary source. I used reliable secondary sources, and they were ignored. I don't expect anyone to protect a page on my behalf. I just want some fairness. |
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::But truth be told, you answered in such a biased and unrelated manner to my post that it's obvious the favoritism I suspected appears to be accurate. |
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::If you folks care more about playing favorites and protecting garbage scholarship because heaven forbid someone should cite an actual primary source (which is what your secondary sources are using to form their "original research" conclusions), then you're probably right. This may not be the place for me. I sincerely thought this was a place where those who had the knowledge could contribute to make a great online encyclopedia. But with the way this is, you might as well just plagiarize a few books and be done with it. [[User:AlexFrazier|AlexFrazier]] ([[User talk:AlexFrazier|talk]]) 19:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{tqq|Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim}}—they lived and died how many years ago? Stick to mainstream [[Bible scholarship]] published in the past 20 or at most 30 years. And we have a low opinion of those who try to give the lie to relatively recent works of Bible scholarship published by [[WP:CHOPSY]]. We're not Sunday school. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 19:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Peter Isotalo|Peter]] <sup>[[User talk:Peter Isotalo|Isotalo]]</sup> 18:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::First of all, I came to him, not you, to resolve a problem because I feel I was treated unfairly. Your rude and condescending input wasn't needed. Nor did you say anything of worth. Secondly, Theodore Mommsen is a renowned scholar, responsible for numerous volumes of the CIL, the IG, and other volumes of epigraphy and Roman and Greek History, in addition to writing The History of Rome. He was educated at an Ivy League school. Emil Schürer was likewise educated at an Ivy League school, and has numerous publications. I read the rules. They don't say they have to be in the last twenty years or so. The topic concerns history from two thousand years ago. Their educated works have weight. Thirdly, I'm not treating this as Sunday School. There's no reason for you to insult me. I even kept your name out of my communication to keep it neutral. So do me a favor and just leave me be. [[User:AlexFrazier|AlexFrazier]] ([[User talk:AlexFrazier|talk]]) 19:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Caught sight of that stuff accidentally—blev så förbannad..! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC). |
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:::Bishonen is a she. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::*shrug* k [[User:AlexFrazier|AlexFrazier]] ([[User talk:AlexFrazier|talk]]) 20:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::If you mean that Wikipedia as a whole favors relatively recent [[WP:SCHOLARSHIP]] from [[WP:CHOPSY]]: you're right, this is not a level playing field. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 20:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I asked you to leave me alone. I have no continued interest in what you have to say. [[User:AlexFrazier|AlexFrazier]] ([[User talk:AlexFrazier|talk]]) 20:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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{{od}} |
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Then why are you pleading here, if you're not interested in your opponents comments and responses? [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] - [[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 20:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:That person is consistently condescending and rude to me. I don't want anything to do with them. And I didn't plead to that person. I came here to contact the admin for advice on how to be able to participate when following the rules resulted in being blocked. |
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==Hi from hidey and seasonsmiles!== |
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:The answer I received said enough. This site is a joke. [[User:AlexFrazier|AlexFrazier]] ([[User talk:AlexFrazier|talk]]) 20:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:*Firstly, no, I'm not suggesting Wikipedia isn't the place for you because you find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive — not at all. I'm suggesting Wikipedia isn't the place for you because you find the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" to be anti-Christian. Secondly, it's not for you to try to shoo tgeorgescu off this page — my user talkpage. They're welcome here. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:::Indeed, we seek to refrain from offending Christians ''needlessly''. But we still have to call a spade a spade. Actually, [[liberal Christianity]] made peace with that since long ago. |
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<center>Aw, hun-neee! [[File:Love Heart SVG.svg|15px]] [[File:Love Heart SVG.svg|15px]] [[File:Love Heart SVG.svg|15px]] [[File:Love Heart SVG.svg|15px]] [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] 21:01, 24 December 2008 (UTC).</center> |
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:::Anyway, that the [[WP:RS/AC]] from 150 years ago trumps the [[WP:RS/AC]] from this year is a ridiculous argument. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 04:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::CU blociked. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 08:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Sorry to bother you, Bish, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Poundra_(caste)&diff=prev&oldid=1201257547 this] looks beyond the pale. Perhaps, a final warning is in order. Also, see their t/p. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 09:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Oh mighty one, please have a happy holiday. And, if you don't mind - could you pass on the well wishes to the even scarier ones (aka Zilla and, gasp, Giano). :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 05:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:Mighty 'shonen consents to having happy holidays, graciously wishes some in return. 'Zilla friendly user, heart of gold, only curl little users' hair lightly with deathray these days! But [''dubiously''] mighty Giano very scary, aye.. will leave wishes on doorstep and run ! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 06:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC). |
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:Nah, 3 months partial block from talk page and article. I didn't check, do they need an alert? [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Also see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aceofalljackofnone#January_2024]. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks, Doug! [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 13:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi Bish.. {{noping|Sourin666}} and {{noping|Aceofalljackofnone}} are caste warriors; I have warned both of them multiple times on their respective talk pages. You may please check i) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APoundra_%28caste%29&diff=1166740736&oldid=1118315581 this], Sourin666 initiating a new section along with legal threat, ii) Sourin666 recently saying that three editors (including me) are "nothing more than goons" in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APoundra_%28caste%29&diff=1199912767&oldid=1183582631 this] edit, iii) Aceofalljackofnone supporting such a personal attack [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APoundra_%28caste%29&diff=1201028113&oldid=1200015316 here]! Thanks & Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 11:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for your prompt action, {{u|Doug Weller}}! Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 11:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Yes, thank you, [[User:Doug Weller|Doug]]. I guess you changed your mind about a 3-month block, as you actually blocked for one month? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 13:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:::Ouch. My bad. Still, we'll see what happens after that unless you want to change it. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 13:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Nah, let's leave it. They're bound to be indeffed soon in any case. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 13:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:::They're doing a little venting, and their new userpage is ... interesting. I'm interested in what they do next. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 13:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Ha. The userpage is amusing. I find it hard to believe that they wrote it themselves, actually. AI? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 13:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC). |
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:::::Slightly tangentially, I just blocked the morning crop of spammers that showed up in edit filter 499, and a lot of them have an AI feel to them. I foresee an avalanche of one-off camelcased names spouting five paragraphs of prosy AI-speak about rubber band importers. With a thoughtful spammer and the right software it could become a real problem. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 13:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::It's really tough to believe they wrote it themselves! [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 13:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Self-requested block == |
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[[File:Buccoo1.jpg|thumb|left||200px|Wishing you the very best for the season. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 06:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)]] |
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[[File:Spot the Fishapod.jpg|right|thumb|Christmas plushy for Guettarda from [[User:Little Stupid|Little Stupid]]]] |
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*Ha! Are those two [[fishapod]]s out there, moving in towards the land? [''Sings''] "From the water / To the land..." Have a listen to [http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/12/fishapod_stars_in_music_video.php Tiktaalik] and a [[User:bishapod|bishapod]] Christmas plushy, little Guettarda! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 06:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC). |
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Hello, per [[User:Bishonen/Self-requested blocks|your page on this]], could you please block me until 0:00 1 March 2024? I would like to enforce a wikibreak, and I don't trust myself to not break my account if I use the user script. Thank you! <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Thriftycat|Thriftycat]] <sup>[[User talk:Thriftycat|Talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Thriftycat|Contribs]]</sup></span> 16:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC) |
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*Merry Christmas Bish and all the little Bishes in the sea. --[[User:Joopercoopers|Joopercoopers]] ([[User talk:Joopercoopers|talk]]) 10:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:Also, please do wait 24 hours before blocking (as your page says); I don't want to autoblock my entire school. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Thriftycat|Thriftycat]] <sup>[[User talk:Thriftycat|Talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Thriftycat|Contribs]]</sup></span> 16:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC) |
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[[File:Darwin200-rhea supper.jpg|thumb|right|A Happy [[Charles Darwin#Darwin 2009 commemorations|Darwin200]] Year!]] |
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::[[User:Thriftycat|Thriftycat]], hehe, always fun blocking whole schools! Kidding. I will block you as requested, starting in 24 hours (or a bit more in case I'm AFK). But I'll make it simply "one month" — fitting it to a particular time of day is bothersome. Not sure, either, whether the software counts February as a proper month. Please let me know if you care about those details. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC). |
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:::Great, that sounds good. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Thriftycat|Thriftycat]] <sup>[[User talk:Thriftycat|Talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Thriftycat|Contribs]]</sup></span> 19:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Blocked. Enjoy! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== [[User talk:Healthandfitz]] == |
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*And, bringing up the [[Darwin's Rhea|rhea]], .. [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 11:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC) |
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The user was blocked by a retired admin - you may wish to revoke TPA. [[User:Cahk|Cahk]] ([[User talk:Cahk|talk]]) 09:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC) |
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*[''Interested'' ] [[Bringing Up Baby]]? Little Stupid create own cool sockpuppet [[User:Bishrhea]] ! [''Bishapod begins to incompetently sew a prototype rhea plushy.'' ] [[User:Bishapod|<b><font color="red">bish</font><font color="darkorange">a</font><font color="indigo">pod</font></b>]] ''[[User talk:Bishapod|<b><font color="lime">splash!</font></b>]]'' 01:30, 26 December 2008 (UTC). |
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:Done. Thank you, [[User:Cahk|Cahk]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== Hello! == |
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==And a happy new year to all== |
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I just started using Twinkle, so sorry about the unnecessary 4th warning. I seemed to have issued the warning right after you banished the user. Is there any way I could have did better? [[User:AlphaBetaGammsh|AlphaBetaGammsh]] ([[User talk:AlphaBetaGammsh|talk]]) 14:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Happy New Year! Nice fireworks!--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 15:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:You did fine, [[User:AlphaBetaGammsh|AlphaBetaGammsh]]. Your warning and my block have the same timestamps, so, even though I was probably a smidgeon earlier, you couldn't very well have seen the block before you warned. I didn't mean to blame you by removing your fourth warning — I just thought it didn't look right on the page, just below the block notice. Thank you for warning vandals! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 14:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC). |
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:Hiya Bigfoot! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 18:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC). |
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== Deletion request == |
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Dear Bishonen, can you please DELETE this account [[User:Melrorross|Melrorross]] ([[User talk:Melrorross|talk]]) 19:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, {{u|Melrorross}}. I'm afraid accounts can't be deleted, as such. But it looks from the conversation on your talkpage as if what you want is to get rid of the account — to immobilize it, so to speak — and henceforth to use only the older account [[User:Melroross]] (note the different spelling). That would be a good thing, since one person isn't supposed to have more than one account. I can take care of it by blocking Melrorross and blanking its userpages, or redirecting them to the Melroross pages. Would that suit you? Please respond below. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC). |
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::Hi Bishonen, yes absolutely. Many thanks for that. [[User:Melroross|Melroross]] ([[User talk:Melroross|talk]]) 23:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::OK, done. (I redirected the pages to your active pages.) Happy editing! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 00:32, 11 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== Minor but annoying mystery == |
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::...and HAPPY NEW YEAR! [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 05:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Mhm. You still have the same dumb subheader, I see.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Fringe_science/Evidence&oldid=261401824#Evidence_presented_by_Jehochman] And your second point is.. wait while I consult Bishzilla's sekrit thesaurus.. it's petty, niggling, trivial, mean, and mickey mouse. (He misuses ''noticeboards''? And?) Admittedly your evidence isn't peevish, spiteful, and trifling on the same scale as Seicer's, but then I wouldn't have expected it to be. Happy new year! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 08:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::Oh, please! "Petulant" is not exclusive. I have heard sages become petulant over etymology and children speak maturely on ontology. We can ''all'' be petulant, if we try. I, myself, plan to be quite petulant in the near future. I'm going off to a singles bar, and I'm going to hold my breath until the woman I choose goes home with me. It ought to work at least as well as my previous strategy of looking mysterious and dangerous. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 16:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC) |
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I'd appreciate the help of a wise and crafty Wikipedian at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#19:09,_12_February_2024_review_of_submission_by_Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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: Dear hostess, if ''you'' are not feeling too petulant, could you give [[Gamma-ray burst]] a quick read? I am sending it to [[WP:FAC]] sooner or later. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 07:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:And it still doesn't show up on Google, [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Mr Fröding]]. (I wouldn't have known, as I use DuckDuckGo. [https://duckduckgo.com/spread Use DuckDuckGo], don't get tracked!) But you're after a wise and crafty Wikipedian. I'm pretty sure I've got some of those watching this page. Also, might not [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]] be the best place to ask? Whatever the problem is, it's surely of a technical nature. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC). |
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::Hmm. Not sure about the petulance. I've done a very light hostessy copyedit. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 13:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::Usedtobecool tried something (turn off and turn on again), we'll give it awhile and see what happens. The mission is to get the WP-article to appear above her entry on wikifeet.com in a search like this:[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Nic%C3%B4le+Lecky%22+wikipedia&rlz=1C1SQJL_svSE832SE832&oq=%22Nic%C3%B4le+Lecky%22+wikipedia&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQABgTGIAEMgYIAhBFGDwyBggDEEUYPDIGCAQQRRg80gEINzE4ajBqMTWoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]. I'm now considering adding that site as an EL, just to see how long it lasts. Maybe in early April. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::P.S. Justanother points out that Bishzilla's thesaurus ought to be spelled the-saurus. :-) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 13:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC). |
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== "How to" question == |
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:::Thank you. *Jehochman places a plate of his wife's home-baked chocolate muffins on a coffee table, and nibbles on one.* [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 13:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC) |
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[[File:Arcimboldo, Giuseppe ~ Autumn, 1573, oil on canvas, Musée du Louvre, Paris.jpg|thumb|right|upright|The man in question. His fruit ''is'' beautifully arranged.]] |
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:::*Utgard Loki, speaking of techniques that work...I'm writing a page featuring a guy who sweeps the girls off their feet by being a disreputable radical; scandalous; at the height of his creative powers at age 51; highly susceptible to strong, independent women; ''and'' a man of domestic tastes. He invited pretty young women of character to his bachelor establishment, where he spoke courteously and paternally to them, and treated them to beautifully arranged fruit and flowers. I'm not saying it's the only way... but it worked all right, they were fascinated. If you survive the holding-your-breath-until method, you might try that next! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::::Beautifully arranged fruit? First time I've heard of that being the way to a woman's heart. [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::[''Enthusiastically'' ] [[User:Yomangan|Yo-maman]] so fat! [[User:Little Stupid|Little Stupid]] ([[User talk:Little Stupid|talk]]) 18:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::::: You sure popped up fast at that edit summary, Yomangani; use your imagination !! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC) (who is going to stalk Bish's contribs now to see this article). |
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:Peaches? Uhhh. I can't think of many others. Arranging fruits tastefully.... You know, I think going to singles bars in a rented Mercedes and a bag over my head probably has a higher chance of success for me. I've just been adding ''Tom Jones'' references various places, because I read an article. This is what I do with my spare time, but it's better than musing about ontology or oopherology. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 18:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::You have a literal mind, Loki. I was thinking you might want to try the disreputable and scandalous, combined with the domestic tastes. (I wonder if that meant watching a lot of cable?) Fascinating mix.. [''Bishonen goes off into a dream of being swept off her feet by a fascinating disreputable courteous radical.'' ] [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC). |
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You have been recommended by a friend as a fount of all wisdom on Wikipedia - or at least someone who might know the answer to the question "how do I turn off a peer review request?" I have tried to remove it twice, and it has been replaced both times by an editor who says I can't do that. Do you know the secret handshake? If so, please tell me! The article is [[History of Christianity]]. They hated the middle section and I am having to redo it, so it doesn't need more reviewing at this time. Or am I missing something? [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 17:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Heads up == |
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:I'm sorry, [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]], everything to do with peer review is terra incognita to me. Maybe ask on the page itself? ([[Wikipedia:Peer review/History of Christianity/archive1]].) I see the talkpage for that hasn't been created yet, so that would probably be a dead end. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 20:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC). |
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::Thank you for answering. [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 22:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Missing block on [[User talk:2600:8807:4C83:3E00:A038:E81D:8056:B389]] added == |
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Hi, just letting you know (as you edited [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mattisse 3]]) that it has gawn live. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC) |
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I assume it was an oversight as you announced, but did not block the user. Fixed. -- [[User:Alexf|Alexf]]<sup><i>[[User talk:Alexf|(talk)]]</i></sup> 20:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== "Unabridged" == |
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:Thanks for looking out for me, [[User:Alexf|Alexf]]. Actually, using Twinkle, I ticked the "Block the /64 instead" box, which I generally like to do, and in this case there was also similar vandalism from other IPs in the /64 range, which had been blocked before very recently. (Hence my 72 hours.) See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3A2600%3A8807%3A4C83%3A3E00%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%2F64 the block log for the /64]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== Capo Geezy == |
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[[Image:Barnstar of Humour3.png|left|frame|This Barnstar of Humor is awarded to Bishonen for Best Use of the Word "Unabridged" in a sentence [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFT2&diff=262541997&oldid=262537267]. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 16:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)]] |
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Hello Bishonen, me again. Do you think you could take a look at what's going on over at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capo Geezy]]? And also the edit histories of [[User:Iamcapobroquard]] and [[User:Iamcapogeezy]]? You should be able to understand what's going on but if you need explanation then I can give one. Sorry if it's a lot of reading but I really do think it needs attention ASAP. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 05:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Partially handled by Isabelle Belato; [[User:Iamcapobroquard]] has been blocked but now there are two new accounts, [[User:Capogeezy90]] and [[User:Dantecolombo4]]. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 16:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::Aha, two obvious sleepers, [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]]; created some time ago, but only began editing today. I'll block them, but I think we need an SPI and a CheckUser to look for more sleepers. I'll try to take care of that. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC). |
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:::Wasn't as hard as I thought! Done, see [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iamcapogeezy]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC). |
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::::Already dealt with by {{u|Spicy}}, quite a sock drawer found. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC). |
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:::::Lovely, though I definitely wouldn't put it past them to keep this up. I suppose I should sock strike all of Capo's comments on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capo Geezy]]? [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 19:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Also [[User:2600:100B:B122:F4D5:B7:7CE9:DBD0:D288|this IP]] raises suspicion. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 19:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Well, strike them if you like. I see {{u|OwenX}} has tagged a few with <nowiki>{{sockvote}}</nowiki>. There are more that Spicy caught, so feel free to tag those as well. Iamcapobroquard, for example, and Capogeezy90, and the IP 130.18.104.156 (partially blocked from the AfD by {{u|Isabelle Belato}}). And since you mentioned the possibility of an SPI, why not add a note + link for that? |
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::::::So, an IPv6 removing the AfD template? Yes, that's interesting. Maybe give them a little more rope, since the SPI is closed anyway. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== Regarding a particular username == |
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[[File:SCongratulate.gif|28px]] [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC). |
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Hi Bishonen, hope you are fine. Can you please have a look at this username, {{noping|TheLazyBot}}! Does it violate our username policy? Thanks & Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 07:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Talking of humour - [[:File:Swanlake015.jpg|how witty you have become]] - I've spotted Flo, Risker and I suspect a couple more, but I'm having a bit of a problem with Brad and one or two of the bigger footed others though. However, it is [[:File:BakstCarabosse.jpg|Carabosse]] I want to find. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 17:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hi, [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]]. Well, according to [[WP:MISLEADNAME]] it's not a good idea, but the user has been getting away with it for some time, and I find it hard to get worked up about. Perhaps we can go with [[WP:BADNAME]]: "If the name is not unambiguously problematic, it may be sensible to ignore it." [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC). |
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::Thank you! [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 07:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Manny Cid == |
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*Witty? That must be from associating with you. I think young Coren is in there—third on the right, don't you think? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC). |
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Hello Bishonen, sorry to bother you again so soon, but maybe you could look at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manny Cid]], especially the talk page? I don't know if I sound overzealous and I don't think it's really a big deal yet but something doesn't settle right with me. May be a lot of reading again, though you don't have to read the whole AfD, but MEAUSA's and LadyBugFlorida's bits may be worth reading. Any input would be greatly appreciated. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 05:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:*"Unabridged"? Doesn't that describe Tokyo after a visit from zilla? Unabridged. Unaskyscrapered. Etc. --[[User:Justallofthem|Justallofthem]] ([[User talk:Justallofthem|talk]]) 18:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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*Well, looks like Schrodinger's jellyfish may have it under control. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 05:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:**[''Mighty dino laugh overturns [[Tokyo Tower]]'' ] Little Justa amusing! [[User:Bishzilla|<font face="comic sans ms"><font color="cyan"><i><b><big>bishzilla</big></b></i></font></font>]] ''[[User talk:Bishzilla|<font color="magenta"><sub><small>R</small></sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></font>]]'' 19:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::Hi again, [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernames]]. Yes, the warning from Schrodinger's jellyfish seems about right. {{noping|LadyBugFlorida}} is obviously someone who has read the somewhat paranoid blog about how Cid's page was "suddenly" put up for deletion, and who is unfamiliar with the culture here. So they express themselves poorly and say the wrong things — no surprise there. I'm actually more surprised at the experienced editor who accused you of "bludgeoning". And I notice even the OP, who is on that person's "side", disapproves. If you read [[WP:BLUDGEON]], it's downright ridiculous. But it's not something that requires me to say something adminny, I don't think. It makes a poor impression, which is surely worse for them than you. (Mind you, if people don't want to engage, it's better not to ping them repeatedly.) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 14:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC). |
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:***Tokyo Tower make good toothpick. --[[User:Justallofthem|Justallofthem]] ([[User talk:Justallofthem|talk]]) 19:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::And now I notice LadyBugFlorida has been indeffed. Oh well, I reckon it makes little difference either way. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 14:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== New days, new problems == |
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We have a not-much-of-a-newbie deleting impeccably sourced content [[Talk:Aisha#Age of consent, wikipedia policies, and pedophilia apologism|from atop a moral high horse (or perhaps, T-Rex)]]. There's some highly charged rhetoric about "pro-pedophilia apologists in online circles", etc. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 19:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC) |
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A question via e-mail, and I'd like your feedback. I don't want to get in a fight with Martin Battestin, but I have a bone to pick. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 18:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Oh no, [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]], may I please be excused from involving myself in the Aisha nexus? It makes me so tired. [[WP:ANI]]? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC). |
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::Ah, that is understandable - no worries! With 20/20 hindsight, it was mighty stupid of me to wade in though the section stayed almost unperturbed for a year. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 20:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Editor experience invitation == |
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*He-ey! Bits of it sounds like comments on Jimbo! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 19:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC). |
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Hi Bishonen :) I'm looking for people to interview [[User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections|here]]. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. [[User:Clovermoss|<span style="color:darkorchid">Clovermoss</span><span style="color:green">🍀</span>]] [[User talk:Clovermoss|(talk)]] 09:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Hi, response to your comment == |
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:I'd rather not, thanks. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC). |
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::That's completely fine. I hope you have a good day, regardless. [[User:Clovermoss|<span style="color:darkorchid">Clovermoss</span><span style="color:green">🍀</span>]] [[User talk:Clovermoss|(talk)]] 10:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=1210438606] == |
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I responded to your comment on my talk page. Thanks, and I hope you will look at some of the obvios proposals that need serious comments to them. You'll see them with even just scanning the page! Most of the proposals have real long names and new words defined. Thanks again for your comments, --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 16:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC) |
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That was indeed a mislick. I should probably install a confirm-rollback script since I tend to misclick a lot. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 17:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Questionable decisions == |
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:There's a confirm rollback script? Not that I need one, I don't rollback much, nor use a touch screen (the horror). But it does show that we have scripts for everything. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== A pie for you! == |
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You are aware with blocking an arbitrator can cause? This, no offense to you, is the ultimate drama causer. You are aware that there is an ANI thread? As an administrator, I see this as a highly immature decision, rather than discussing it beforehand. I suggest you highly think next time before you make such a rash decision. Personally, I can tell you now, the Arbitration Committee will not like this.<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="orange">Mitch</FONT><b>32</b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="orange"><sup>([[User:Mitchazenia|Go Syracuse]])</sup></FONT> 21:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:They won't? Ooh, I'm ''scared''. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::::The Arbitration Committee have had their chance to address this matter, their likes and dislikes are neither here nor there - the project is what is important - as I'm sure you will agree. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 21:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi, Bishonen, I just mentioned your name somewhere. So I thought to drop some wiki love here to acknowledge your efforts in dealing with sock puppets. Happy editing! Regards. [[User:Maliner|Maliner]] ([[User talk:Maliner|talk]]) 08:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Thank you, that looks delicious! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:30, 29 February 2024 (UTC). |
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== February music == |
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:What Bishonen did was to take a pot of pudding that was on a slow simmer and apply a blowtorch to it. It might get the pudding cooked faster, but it also might result in a scorched and inedible mess. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 21:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Music and flowers on [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#29 Feb|Rossini's rare birthday]] - for sweets, scroll a bit in the places -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Aahh. Lovely, [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda]]. I love [[:File:Rheinsteig above Lorch, view to Rhine.jpg|this one]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC). |
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:: good choice - a few more, and the memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#7 Mar|such as this]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:: Rossini's [[Petite messe solennelle]] was [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#14 Mar|premiered on 14 March 1864]], - when I [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaLcLLvPys8 listen to the desolate Agnus Dei] I think of [[User talk:Vami IV#Rose of missing|Vami_IV]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:: Vacation pics uploaded, at least the first day (fish soup), - and [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#20 Mar|Aribert Reimann remembered]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:: Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#27 Mar|a story of collaboration]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== The COI and AI == |
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:: I believe this matter needs to be put to a community vote. The committee not competent to judge their own members. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 21:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AConflict_of_interest%2FNoticeboard&diff=1213325395&oldid=1213325376] I had the same hunch, but not strong enough to comment on it. The amount of text, the surprisingly quick reply, etc. How does one "know"? Do we some EARWIG-like AI-detector around, and if we don't, can we get one? [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::No offense, but is that supposed to be mocking ArbCom? They are the high court, and their decisions are important to Wikipedia. As per Giano, yes the project is important, yet there are certain things impeding that, such as something like this and previous cases. Being a supporter of anti-block, I am against the type of situations these cause, and prefer the thought that we should work on solving it. There are times where it just isn't possible. Yet, I do believe this is one for mediation or something. I don't think ArbCom is the place to solve this, like has been recently for other cases.<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="orange">Mitch</FONT><b>32</b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="orange"><sup>([[User:Mitchazenia|Go Syracuse]])</sup></FONT> 21:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::*Well the committee should not have to judge its own members. Wales has few roles, this is one where even a constitutional monarch is allowed to step in, but ours seems to be on a yacht in the Riviera, rather than seated on his throne. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 21:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I am not pertaining towards Jimbo in this situation, I would like to see this taken to the Mediation Committee, where it can be solved thoroughly.<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="orange">Mitch</FONT><b>32</b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="-1" COLOR="orange"><sup>([[User:Mitchazenia|Go Syracuse]])</sup></FONT> 22:01, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Disputes between admins, in my view at least, are far bigger than the capacity of the Mediation Committee. This seems like a matter for the community. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 22:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::MedCom is for addressing content disputes. The complaint here is that FT2 ought to be disqualified as Arbitrator by virtue of recent statements that fudged the truth. As I understand the rules, only Jimbo can remove him from the committee. The other committee members have a voice of course, and if there was a consensus among the other members of Arbcom to remove him, Jimbo would be a fool to ignore it. I have no complaints at this time with Arbcom's handling of the matter, the 10 new arbitrators need time to get up to speed and it is somewhat unfair to saddle them on week one with a messy personnel matter left over from the previous committee. The community can press for FT2's resignation as well, but has no power to enforce it, other than by shunning him and ignoring anything he tries to do in the committee's name. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 22:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:See [https://gptzero.me/] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Without commenting on FT2, I would like to say that your action was the most clear-cut case of adminship abuse I have ever seen. --[[User:Apoc2400|Apoc2400]] ([[User talk:Apoc2400|talk]]) 01:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::Bish, @[[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]], I tested the above AI-checker by pasting [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AJai_Shri_Ram&diff=1214322925&oldid=1214320138] into it. "We are highly confident this text is entirely |
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::Without knowing anything about the matter, I think you mean. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 01:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::human". That's good. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, this wasn't too swift. I'm a bit surprised and would just hope that such a thing wouldn't happen this way again. It isn't helpful to the community to create this kind of drama ''knowingly'' for the purpose of gaining a soapbox. No trout...[[King mackerel]] maybe...<br>[[User:Berean Hunter|<font face="High Tower Text" size="2px"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Berean Hunter|<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>]]) 01:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] LOL. I should hope so. I'd hate to think you were just an AI. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 08:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks Bish, @[[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] and @[[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] for all the helpful and uplifting input. I'm keeping the AI-tools. To quote Doug's tool, ''"This result should not be used to directly punish students."'' |
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:Andy, you're now on my wall:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng&diff=1213341621&oldid=1207436792]. Best I've heard since "I'd also add from an intellectual standpoint that I'm not really sure how we should deal with people who's claim to notability comes from us not considering them notable." [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 13:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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And the response to your complaint about AI-text was more AI-text. Oh well. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Bishonen, I call on you to resign your adminship and stand for a new RfA. If you are going to take tremendously bold and controversial actions against long-term editors without prior community deliberation, you should go before the community and see whether you still have its confidence. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 05:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:There are many AI detectors, though I've also read somewhere a rather depressing test of how reliable they are (not very). Anyway, I didn't use one, I just thought it was completely obvious. Now, I've tried [https://quillbot.com/ai-content-detector this one] at random from Google's various suggestions, and it says Pedro's first post at [[WP:COIN]] has "100% AI content". Doug is using another one. And note that Pedro says to me, or his chatbot says, that he uses it because it makes his text ''better'', so his use of it ''improves'' Wikipedia. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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Bish I call on you to keep on as normal, but not to block a sitting Arb unless they're actively causing a mess. Although the block has caused a discussion which favours FT2s removal, FT2 is sing the excuse of the "out-of-process" block to ignore the community. Again. This was perhaps unwise, but abuse? That requires a pattern of unwise and unjustifiable behaviour - not happened here. [[User:Verbal|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">'''Verbal'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Verbal#top|<font color="grey" face="Papyrus">chat</font>]]</small> 08:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Calling for Bishonen's resignation is laughable - thank God someone finally had the guts to try and sort this out. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 08:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: Just to be clear, Bishonen should not resign. [[User:Verbal|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">'''Verbal'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Verbal#top|<font color="grey" face="Papyrus">chat</font>]]</small> 08:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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*Doug has indeffed, good thinking. And Pedro, just before that, [[Special:Diff/1213329569|got in a complaint]] about AndyTheGrump telling him to fuck off. I've responded with the obvious. Anybody else? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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== Oh dear == |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1213329901 This] made me spit my Earl Grey all over the keyboard. Thank you for the guffaw. [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo Anthrax]] ([[User talk:JoJo Anthrax|talk]]) 11:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:A philosophical question arises. Is it even possible to make a personal attack on a chatbot? I've have to say no, since a bot isn't a person... [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 11:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== RFAR == |
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::Good point, Andy. Also, when I complained about Pedro's use of AI, he told me "I want to clarify that my use of AI tools is solely to enhance my text, leveraging it as the valuable resource it is". A similar argument applies to your use of bad language (and mine): it's solely to enhance our text with a valuable resource. I mean, we could have said "go away", but we chose to enhance it. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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I have named you on your alternate account at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Biszilla]]. You may wish to make a statement. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 22:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Aargh! 'Leveraging'! Management-speak flinflam at its most odious. Give me a lever and I'll gladly beat the binary bits out of the server node or whatever that generates such gloop... [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 12:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::I am reminded of http://wisdomofchopra.com/ [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 13:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Now there's a bullshit-bot, if ever I saw one. Though per stopped clocks it must get things right occasionally. After many attempts, it cam out with this gem: {{tq|"Making tea imparts reality to personal molecules"}}. Indeed. I rarely feel more real in my personal molecules than when I've got a steaming mug of tea in front of me. And then, the tea and I become one... [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 13:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Careful, '''[[Enhanced Games|enhance]]''' is a word to watch these days. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 13:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*Update: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1213365172&diff=1213375023 A fitting end]. We finally get to hear Pedro's own voice, because I don't think ChatGPT wrote ''that''. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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*Ah, quite a fascinating read. How many policies can one account violate in just two weeks? I count COI, PAID, copyvios, use of AI, CIR, and possibly a few more. I've spent a lot of time lately trying to remove corporate-speak from what is now a 10-page document (it started out at 19), and I loved the way you leveraged the language of heightened concern. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 21:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*:Hello, [[User:Risker|Risker]], long time! And thank you. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PedroOReal&diff=prev&oldid=1213375023 ''Now'' I understand]. I always suspected you were a bit more than just an administrator - you are actually a "self-called" administrator! Going forward can I refer to you as Self? Pretty please? [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo Anthrax]] ([[User talk:JoJo Anthrax|talk]]) 07:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Well, provided you condone with me, [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo]]. (Condole?) The user had some reason to be uncertain of their English, which was presumably why AI seemed like such a boon to them. You too can sound like a corporate drone! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 10:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC). |
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{{noping|Sourin666}} waited out the block and has returned to being a [[WP:IDHT|IDHT]]-[[WP:SPA|SPA]]. I think we need an indef. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 15:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Title: '''My Dear Bish Do Shame'''<BR> |
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:I'm inclined to believe you, [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]], but it's all so complicated! {{yo|Sitush}}, are you there? {{yo|Vanamonde93}}? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 16:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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Artist: '''Proabivouac and the Slam Bruise Sisters'''<BR> |
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::Well, they're insisting that text needs to be changed without recognizing that they need to support that with RS. But they're not engaging in PAs any more that I can see. I'd suggest a little more rope, but an indef could be justified on the basis that competence is required, and they don't have it. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 16:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Composer: '''Jacob Jacobs, Sholom Secunda, and Barsoom Tork Associates'''<BR> |
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:::Also, I'd say they have half of a legitimate grievance buried in there; the cited source clearly supports what's in the article at present, but it also says that they (like many other Dalit groups) attempted to claim a caste identity for themselves. I don't really want to do a caste warrior's work for them, but the movement at least seems worthy of coverage, even if it's hasn't had the results they'd want. And it doesn't obviate the untouchability claim, of course. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 16:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Midi: [http://oldkunnel.net/sounds/biemeir2.mid '''Bei Mir Bist Du Schön'''] (Instrumental)<BR> |
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::::Thank you very much, [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]], I love you. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 16:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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Midi: [http://oldkunnel.net/sounds/biemeir3.mid '''Bei Mir Bist Du Schön'''] (Klezmer Version)<BR> |
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:::::I live for the mighty 'zilla's love. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 16:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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YouTube: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe2UXccid40 '''Bei Mir Bist Du Schön'''] (Andrews Sisters)<BR> |
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::::@[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]]: Ofcourse, their movement is worthy of coverage but Sourin666 seeks that our article (1) stop using the term 'Pod', (2) mention the caste as a Kshatriya, and (3) remove the fact of the Pods/Poundras being historically subject to untouchability. I can perhaps see where they are coming from — though with some skepticism in light of increasing attempts by certain political factions to downplay aspects of a deeply unegalitarian past — but Wikipedia is not the place for it. Also, I am also reminded of Janaki Nair's [https://www.jstor.org/stable/44645694 incisive essay] (p. 243 - 246); esp. the third challenge. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 16:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::I'm not disagreeing with any of that, am I? [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 16:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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My Dear Bish Do Shame<BR> |
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::::::But you are (kind of) opposing an immediate indef, meaning that the time-sink goes on ... [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 16:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Please let me explain<BR> |
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:::::::@[[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] Not for much longer, it won't. I have weighed in there. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 17:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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My Dear Bish Do Flame<BR> |
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::::::::Yeah, absolutely! Just another caste warrior, not here to build an encyclopedia, but only agenda is to promote this particular caste! Thanks. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 17:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Means a bundle<BR> |
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:::::::::Yes, thank you, [[User:Sitush|Sitush]], I love you also! Caste-warriors just waste too much time. I've indeffed. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC). |
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I could say "Drama, drama,"<BR> |
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Even say "What the fook?"<BR> |
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Each epithet helps to say<BR> |
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Why FT2's a kook<BR> |
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I've tried to explain<BR> |
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My Dear Bish Do Shame<BR> |
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So piss off and<BR> |
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Say you'll take the blame<BR> |
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My Dear Bish Do Shame<BR> |
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A mournful refrain<BR> |
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I'll say it again<BR> |
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My Dear Bish Do Flame<BR> |
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It means a scandal<BR> |
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CopyClef 2009 Jacob Jacobs, Sholom Secunda, and Barsoom Tork Associates.<BR> |
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North American Bupkis. All songs abused.<BR> |
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== {{noping|وزارة العدل العراقية}} == |
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== Honesty == |
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Just what I need An official government agency trying to use Wikipedia for its <s>propaganda</s> social media outlet.. [[User:Deepfriedokra|-- Deepfriedokra]] ([[User talk:Deepfriedokra|talk]]) 00:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Note this diff. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Honesty&diff=264189360&oldid=264172931] [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 16:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:And for their achievements achieved throughout the year. A real pleasure to block that one, [[User:Deepfriedokra|Fritter]]. Well, a pleasure tinged with anxiety: I'm not used to having to trust Google Translate quite so blindly. Suppose the Arabic merely meant something like "yo, motherfucker". [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 03:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC). |
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== Capo Geezy once more == |
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==Giano RfC== |
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Could you provide some diffs in your outside comments regarding Phil Sandifer? I think it would help others decide whether to endorse your comment or not if they could check and see for themselves the basis for your assertions. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 06:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Groan. All right—I suppose—though it's obviously hard to evidence my claim that there is nothing ''but'' flaming from Phil on that case. It's the truth, but I can't very well prove a negative. But I can drop in some diffs of the flaming, sure, if you think that would be useful. Thanks for getting in touch. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 09:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC). |
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I hope you don't mind me bothering you with this again, but I think I may have found another [[User:Iamcapogeezy|Iamcapogeezy]] sockpuppet, [[User:Bobbyjean97|Bobbyjean97]], who has a similar username to many of the blocked sockpuppets and recently created [[Draft:Gianni Broquard]], which is an essential copy of the deleted article. I would open an investigation if I were remotely familiar with the process. What do you think? Also, some recent activity by [[User:130.18.104.156]] at [[Capo]], one of the IPs that spammed the AfD–not sure that this matters though. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 04:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Pax equus == |
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:Aha, that guy. Thank you, [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernames]]. Blocked, and draft deleted and salted against recreation. Do you use scripts at all? This is by no means something you need to feel you have to do, but if you install [[User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js]], you'll be amazed at how simple it becomes to create SPI reports. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC). |
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[[File:Tizian_-_The_fall_of_man.jpg|thumb|upright|Look at the state of this garden! You said you were going to have a word with God about getting a new blade for the lawn-mower and instead I find you down here arranging fruit like you are August Strindberg. And get your hand off there!<br>—Well, don't stand there looking like a boiled shrimp, then! <ref>"I had great respect for Alma," wrote Harriet later in an unpublished memoir. "Although she was always right when she commented on something, it wasn't easy... to hear her shouting at me... as I stood grieving, bent over my dear Axel's grave in Adam Oehlenschläger's ''Axel and Valborg'', 'Harriet, don't stand there looking like a boiled shrimp.'"</ref>]] |
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::Thank you, I'll look into that. On an additional note, I found [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Capogeezy75|this casepage]] from December 2023. Apparently some of the accounts go back to early 2020. There's also the account [[User:Capogeezyinc|Capogeezyinc]], which is probably a sleeper as Netherzone said, and [[User:Jreidray|Jreidray]], which is less suspicious but recreated [[Draft:Capo Geezy]] a little while ago, which has been deleted 7 times. Do you think that's worthy of salting? Not sure if there would be sufficient evidence to block or not. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 21:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::…if you come to that, Sir, have not the wisest of men |
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:::There's surely evidence, but they haven't really been active. As for salting [[Draft:Capo Geezy]], Oshwah creation protected it in August 2023, though only limiting creation to autoconfirmed users, which seems a little weak to me. But it hasn't in fact been recreated since, so I guess I'll leave it at that. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC). |
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::in all ages, not excepting Solomon himself, |
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:::Not affiliated with Capo Geezy, but I will say he is the type to create multiple accounts. Willing to verify however possible. [[User:Jreidray|Jreidray]] ([[User talk:Jreidray|talk]]) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::have they not had their HOBBY-HORSES; -- |
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:Also will say, 130.18.0.0/16 is Mississippi State University's network. Both he and I are students there. [[User:Jreidray|Jreidray]] ([[User talk:Jreidray|talk]]) 17:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::their running horses, -- their coins and their |
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::[[User:Jreidray|Jreidray]], if you have nothing to do with Capo Geezy, I'd be interested to know how it came about that you created [[Draft:Capo Geezy]] (now deleted) in August 2023. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC). |
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::cockle-shells, their drums & their trumpets, their |
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:::I am a student at his university and he stands around promoting his self and his fame and I thought it a shame he wasn't on Wikipedia. The printouts he handed out said he had tons of listens and followers so I trusted that and other sources. I wouldn't say I have nothing to do with him, we've spoken, but he also has to the thousands of passerby who will stop for a second to let him spill about himself. [[Special:Contributions/130.18.119.125|130.18.119.125]] ([[User talk:130.18.119.125|talk]]) 22:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::fiddles, their pallets, -- their maggots and their butterflies? – |
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:::That 130.18.119.125 reply was me. Sorry, totally new to this. Thanks. [[User:Jreidray|Jreidray]] ([[User talk:Jreidray|talk]]) 22:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::and so long as a man rides his HOBBY-HORSE peaceably |
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::and quietly along the King’s highway, and neither compels |
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::you or me to get up behind him, -- pray, Sir, |
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::what have either you or I to do with it? – ''[[Tristram Shandy]]'' I vii |
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:I don't know why this old passage struck me with such force today. It is, perhaps, because I have seen so many goading their mounts into a foaming mouth, rolling eyes, and screams of pain, as they ride ''not'' peaceably, and not along the highway, but through gardens, homes, and lawns, that I am attracted to this vision of calm. The as the same man says, and I find it to be a dictum worthy of engraving: |
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::"If I should seem now and then to trifle upon the road, -- or should sometimes put on a fool’s cap with a bell to it, for a moment or two as we pass along, -- don’t fly off, -- but rather courteously give me credit for a little more wisdom than appears upon my outside; -- and as we jog on, either laugh with me, or at me, or in short do any thing, -- only keep your temper." |
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:I spent $400 on a laptop, and the "A" key does not function, and the thing has no jack for an external keyboard. Grrrr. Returns are always battles, and battles over specks of turf, office windows, nails for pictures, name plates affixed with glue or tape, all seem so hopeless. Then, here, we see even ''less'' consequential matters. I am convinced, more and more, that the natural state of man is complaining. Adam and Eve were ejected because they were unhappy with all that bliss. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 14:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== TheNotoriousSildeSoiler == |
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:I do ''try'' to look more like a [[Popcorn Shrimp|fried]] shrimp than a boiled one. We have dwelt in the caverns of the sea, by sea girls dipped in batter and oil, red and brown, till our A keys break, and we're down. |
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:And then more being ordered around. Ordered here. Ordered there. Ordered to salute, to sit, to kneel, to lick the boot, to boot the lickers, to bend the knee, to unbend the back, to upend the class, to classify the ends of the class, to calcify the process and ossify the result. It's enough to get anyone parched, parboiled, and then made into a pate, or a paté. |
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:O Hellas Hellas, and a class with the entire [[Group W bench]] playing with their cigarettes and smoking their pencils.... |
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:In the immortal words of [[King Tut (Batman)|King Tut]]: "O misericordia! Everybody's being mean to me." [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 19:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi,<br> |
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::O hélas! Alack! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:16, 16 January 2009 (UTC). |
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On 17 March you indef blocked {{user links|TheNotoriousSildeSoiler}} as a vandalism-only account. It appears that this editor is evading the block with a new account {{user links|YouCantDefeatSlideSolier}}. Besides the name similarity, the new account has vandalized the same article that the previous account edited. [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 18:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, not really trying to hide, are they? Note the change from ''Silde'' to ''Slide'', though. Thanks, [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 20:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC). |
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::Yeah, I noticed that. They also changed "Soiler" to "Solier". I don't know if these are deliberate changes or if they just have poor spelling skills. Thanks for handling it! [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 20:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::FWIW, they are now CU-confirmed (you can tag em if you like) and also otherwise impeded. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 22:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]], but I don't ''think'' I'm supposed to tag using any of the "CU confirmed" tags, such as <nowiki>{{blockedsockpuppet|username}}</nowiki>. A CU should do that, is what I've been told. (I already tagged with the "suspected and blocked" tag.) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 23:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC). |
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:::::Done. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 23:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Revoke talk page access??? == |
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== [[Innuendo|Fnaaaargh - fnaaaaaaaaaaggggh]]! == |
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Hi, Bish. Do you think TPA should be revoked for [[User:Nkienzle]] after [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nkienzle#c-Nkienzle-20240323001500-Bishonen-20240322222500 this] comment they added to your block statement? Thanks. [[User:NoobThreePointOh|NoobThreePointOh]] ([[User talk:NoobThreePointOh|talk]]) 00:29, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Giano_II&curid=21113277&diff=264566009&oldid=264565840 Whoops! Sorry, my mistake....] [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 23:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Innu.. ha! Innuendo at a helpless little woman forsooth! ''/me hits Mr Less Heard with her handbag and breaks out the [[mace (spray)|mace]].'' [[User:Bishonen|Catherine de Burgh (Lady)]] 23:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::Careful! You don't want to get any on your white gloves. [[User:Geogre|Harridan la Tour, dame]] 01:54, January 17 2009 (UTC). |
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:An admin walks into a bar with both hands full of canine feces and says, "Hey! Look what I almost ''stepped'' in!" [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 15:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::<s>an admin or an arbitrator?</s> [[User:Lsi john|Lsi john]] ([[User talk:Lsi john|talk]]) 01:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:In case you're wondering, the statement is located at the very bottom of the page. [[User:NoobThreePointOh|NoobThreePointOh]] ([[User talk:NoobThreePointOh|talk]]) 00:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== RfAr Re : Bishzilla == |
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::Hard to miss.{{smiley}} I was just thinking the response was predictable and TP access is on borrowed time. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 00:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I marked the page on my watchlist to see what would happen. Hope Bish replies ASAP. [[User:NoobThreePointOh|NoobThreePointOh]] ([[User talk:NoobThreePointOh|talk]]) 00:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::No huge hurry. This is a hit and run user. [[User:Objective3000|O3000, Ret.]] ([[User talk:Objective3000|talk]]) 00:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Welp, the personal attack was removed. [[User:NoobThreePointOh|NoobThreePointOh]] ([[User talk:NoobThreePointOh|talk]]) 01:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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: {{ec}} Oh... well, thanks for the thought, [[User:NoobThreePointOh|NoobThreePointOh]], but I can't say I care. Venting against the blocking admin is something I tend to allow, at least when the blocking admin is me. And I see somebody has reverted it, too. I'm going to bed now; if the venting is too persistent, I expect I'll wake up to see some other admin has revoked TPA. Good night, guys! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 01:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC). |
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::@[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] Alright then, goodnight. [[User:NoobThreePointOh|NoobThreePointOh]] ([[User talk:NoobThreePointOh|talk]]) 01:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[User talk:Krish!]] == |
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The request for arbitration named above [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=265487223#Motions has been declined as superseded by motion] : |
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I didn't know that he left Wikipedia after your block. He created so many featured and good articles. After the DBigXray episode, there is a bias in favor of editors such as Tranga Bellam Tayi Arajakate, and Venkat. All these CIVIL POV pushers are more problematic. Tranga Bellam has less experience in how film articles are edited. Tranga Bellam's behavior is borderline harassment. they bite newbies, and wiki hounds other's edits. [[Special:Contributions/2409:40E1:10C5:5906:6D9E:F6F2:440D:CACE|2409:40E1:10C5:5906:6D9E:F6F2:440D:CACE]] ([[User talk:2409:40E1:10C5:5906:6D9E:F6F2:440D:CACE|talk]]) 12:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{admin|Bishzilla}} is strongly admonished for her conduct in this matter. She is advised not to block users to force further discussion or action on an issue, nor to increase the pace of an issue, and not to take administrator actions with respect to disputes in which she is involved. Bishzilla is warned that any further such incidents are likely to lead to the suspension or revocation of her administrator privileges. |
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:The user left Wikipedia because of a two-month page block? A pretty mild sanction for severe disruption, IMO (compare [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=1077068881&oldid=1077068273 this ANI thread]). And you have found it necessary to log out from your account to come here and complain about it? OK. I'm afraid I would take that more seriously if you weren't hiding. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC). |
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== Some words == |
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''For the Arbitration Committee,''<br> |
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[[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 14:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishzilla&curid=18727458&diff=265496226&oldid=265488968] [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 15:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Bishzilla didn't do those things the ''first'' time, so I'm sure she'll have no problem not doing them "again." ("Thou has committed....") [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 16:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi, hope this comment finds you well. To be honest, I think [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1151#Repeated personal attacks and aspersion|the reaction]] shown to my report may make the attackers bolder. Making numerous instances of personal attacks, which is usually [[WP:UNCIVIL|taken seriously]], and going with no cautions or warnings. Thanks anyway. --[[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 21:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== "B" means "Well above average" == |
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:They can simply [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israel_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics&diff=prev&oldid=1215959111 edit war and make personal attack] without responding to policy based arguments raised by me. Is the discussion considered ongoing now? I know there should be more DR steps over the content dispute but the incivility is not a content issue. --[[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 23:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Check this out: [[Acharya Mahapragya]]. It's a living legend and a purpose. Now, you might think that it's bad to have something like that, but it's had a ''tag on it for over a year,'' so that makes it alright. Anyone have an article rated below a B by the biography people should instantly go change it to A+, if this is a B. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 19:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::Mhhossein, I'm sorry, but the offenses were too old for admin action when you [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1151#Repeated_personal_attacks_and_aspersion reported them at ANI], and they're even older now. There's nothing I can do. When I told you that at ANI, you said the (old) diffs you had given were merely examples, but you still to this day have not offered anything recent. Do you have anything from the last 10 days? If not, I suggest you'll feel better if you let it go. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 23:26, 30 March 2024 (UTC). |
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:I assumed it was self-assessed, but no. More than one independent assessor was involved too. Geogre would love that one. [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the response. AT ANI, I raised [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1215338340] personal attacks which were only 7 days old [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MaskedSinger&diff=prev&oldid=1214267791] and 3 days ago he accused me of having COI [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israel_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics&diff=prev&oldid=1215959111]. --[[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 09:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Who is Peter Symonds, and why did he "decline" to speedy it? The thing is a bricolage of junk. It is every prose crime that could be committed. I'm sure "AfD" is why this piece of crap is here in the first place: some dufus went to Google, said, "He's a real person KEEEEEEEEEEP" without any regard to how absolutely incurable the article is. Someone else then probably said, "AfD is not clean up, so I won't clean it up, and no one else will, and it will go for more years with ''tags'' on it, and Wikipedia will keep advertising to win converts to this living power and peace." Dang idjits. If this isn't a speedy delete, then we should all begin immediately preaching for our favorite yogi and politician. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 19:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Having a COI? I've asked them what they mean by that. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 10:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC). |
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:What a steaming pile of...! Yeah, '''''that's''''' a B. Now I know why my biographies aren't: they're not grandiose enough. If there were any need for discrediting the Bio project...or any project...this would be it. I decided, since I couldn't figure out a strenuous CSD category, to look to see what happened. Was this just a vandal edit? Nope. You have to go back to ''December of 2007'' to find a version that ''resembles'' something found in an encyclopedia, and even ''that'' was junk. So, for over 14 months, we've been telling the world how this special person is more than a man, more than a god, more than the truth. Well, isn't that special? All that's missing is the "Version 1.0 DVD release" approval. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 14:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:Sounds like it should be reported at [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard]]? --'''<span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';text-transform:lowercase;"><font color="#008000">[[User:Lightsup55|Lightsup55]]</font></span>''' <span style="font-size: x-small">( [[User talk:Lightsup55|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Lightsup55|C]] )</span> 18:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::I doubt Archie Mypraga, or however his "name" is (I think, and I'm not sure, that, in fact, this is some kind of ''title'' rather than name, so it shouldn't be a ''biography'' at all, but it's really, really hard to tell with folks who think that some jobs are reincarnated) will object to being called a terrestrial god, and it looks a whole lot like one of his acolytes has been busy, busy, busy, busy writing the article for a long time. No. It looks to me like admin boots are needed, a cart of dead herrings for slapping, and probably just deletion. I don't get why Wikipedia has articles on the equivalent of "holy man of the mountain" in the first place, or at least why those aren't strictly controlled so that they're about positions, not people. Then again, I'm just a [[Episcopal church|whiskeypalian]]. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 18:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== New legal article == |
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I have finished enough of [[Consciousness of guilt (legal)]] to go public with it. Further development will be appreciated. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) ('''''[[Help:Notifications|<span style="color:#0bf">PING me</span>]]''''') 18:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== The very dull JV == |
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:It reads well, [[User:Valjean|Valjean]], and I'm delighted to encounter my old friend [[A. C. Bradley]] in such an unexpected context, but IANAL. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC). |
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== Antioch International Movement of Churches == |
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Oh dear! It seems another of our heros has been [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:John_Vanbrugh&curid=1034620&diff=267393715&oldid=257068475 deemed to be mediocre]. Just another dull, run of the mill little man of no importance. I've always rather admired him. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 18:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::You mean he is not "more than a way, a living purpose?" Well, ''no wonder,'' then! Only profits get to be B. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 19:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Mid- importance, huh? Never mind, he designed amazing bathroom fitments. [[S. A. Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition of 1897|This]] has been low-importance from the start. The unimportance doesn't bother me, but the way it's said to be "supported" in that unimportance by WikiProject Sweden... grumble. Who invented portals, anyway? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 19:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::::I rather like portals, although they are for the more discerning editor; I have an [[User: Giano|amazing new one]] you must pass through it some time. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 20:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Very nice, too. I've improved it by adding a guard. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC). |
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::::::So I see! Thank you! More interestingly, I see there is be a London meet up with Ms Knott and James Forrester [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_18], obviously my invitation was lost in the post, all the same I think it may be time, to stroll down the Earl's Court Road to the V&A and shout "boo" from behind an artefact. Oh what a merry threesome we will be - a veritable Holy Trinity. I wonder who else is going? Why don't you hop over Bishonen dear (it does say: "people of all ages are welcome") - we could go skating at Somerset House afterwards - assuming the excitement hasn't killed us. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 22:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi there, I see you contributed a minor edit at the page for [[Antioch International Movement of Churches]]. Would you consider helping out on that page? Totally ok if not, but you have a lot more experience than I or the other involved editor {{u|Austin613}} and we're having a hard time agreeing on how the article should be developed. Your feedback might be helpful since you have more experience. But totally ok if you don't have time; since you made a minor edit I thought it was worth asking you. [[User:Shinealittlelight|Shinealittlelight]] ([[User talk:Shinealittlelight|talk]]) 19:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Note == |
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:Hello, [[User:Shinealittlelight|Shinealittlelight]]. I no longer remember how I came to make the small correction, but I'm sorry - the subject lies pretty far from my interests and knowledge. Maybe you'd like to use the [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] form of dispute resolution? It's lightweight and easy to use, and perfect for a disagreement where only two people are involved. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::Sure, thanks, I'll check that out. Have a good day. [[User:Shinealittlelight|Shinealittlelight]] ([[User talk:Shinealittlelight|talk]]) 21:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Please correct this == |
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{{#if:|[[User:{{{2}}}]] has|I have}} nominated [[Buckingham Palace]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Buckingham Palace|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]]. —[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 19:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:I would ignore that, since the notice was "not given." Apparently, some people are more eager than attentive. The FAR notice requires that the querulous one ''sign the post.'' I'm sure that you know that it's just Mattisse going back to old habits of re-nominating every time possible. This is why FAR is inherently deletion-worthy. It serves no positive function, and it gives jollies to warriors. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 14:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Sure. Giano has replied very cogently. The article is on a kind of subject that makes it hard to maintain: hard always, and impossible if warriors get involved. Come to think of it, why don't I link to Giano's reply on the FAR page? I will. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 18:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC). |
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:As you wish. I saw Giano's comment, but I disagree. The article has been kept pretty proper, thanks to many watchful eyes, but what has doomed it is not the naughty schoolboy, but the officious fool. The "MoS says images must all be on Commons and deleted for any article that has both a left and a right margin, please see relevant sections of the Manual of Monsters and Pettifoggers, 9th ed., rev. B, 2/30/09, and comply" people and the trolling like Mattis will inevitably destroy it. I see in this repetition another demonstration of wider principles: FAR does not ''do'' anything. There is no "version 1.0," and to the degree that there is, it is not relying on FA (or so we have been assured by the Biography Assassment Teams and the Projectors), so removing an FA doesn't actually save anyone or achieve anything. All that it does is give the meaningless, incompetent, and incoherent a means by which they can compensate for their deficiencies. It also acts as another weapon of escalating annoyance. What it does ''not'' do is fix things. If our goal were ever to "improve" FA's, we'd have a drive to help them, not "remove" them. The pettiness and monomania of Mattisse is simply an excellent illustration of what's wrong with the skeevy heart of FARC. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 22:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Please correct this allegation it's not accurate. |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fred_Zepelin&diff=prev&oldid=1217421694] [[User:Tonymetz|<small style="border:2px solid;border-radius:4px;padding:0 4px">Tonymetz</small>]] [[User talk:Tonymetz|💬]] 23:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:I checked it carefully. How is it not accurate? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 08:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::{{tpq|restored some removed posts}} 🔜 “restored a single post and then apologized for it” [[User:Tonymetz|<small style="border:2px solid;border-radius:4px;padding:0 4px">Tonymetz</small>]] [[User talk:Tonymetz|💬]] 16:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::No, [[Special:Diff/1211557543|this]] is not a single post. It's three posts — a little conversation — which you restored. I've already asked on ANI where you apologized, purely because the diff you originally provided for it does not contain an apology. I see you have replied there with another diff, where you say "Let’s take it down a knotch. I’m sorry how that was received." That is actually what's known as a [[Non-apology apology]] (please click on my link there), a statement which expresses "I didn't do anything wrong, but you took it the wrong way". The mere words "I'm sorry" can't turn that into an actual apology. Please see also [[WP:NOTSORRY]]. But that is by the way, purely because you now mention it. My "allegation", as you call it, wasn't about objecting to your non-apology — hardly worth it, IMO — but purely about restoring some posts. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::::Ok I hear your opinion and thank you. What’s next. Is there anything more to do on the admin side? [[User:Tonymetz|<small style="border:2px solid;border-radius:4px;padding:0 4px">Tonymetz</small>]] [[User talk:Tonymetz|💬]] 20:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Nothing I'm aware of. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 21:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::::::Ok great. I wanted to say thanks for the help in managing the community. I know it is a volunteer effort and we appreciate that. I know you mean well despite any differences we may have had in the discussion. I hope we get to work together sometime soon. [[User:Tonymetz|<small style="border:2px solid;border-radius:4px;padding:0 4px">Tonymetz</small>]] [[User talk:Tonymetz|💬]] 22:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::Happy editing, Tony. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 02:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC). |
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Hi Bishonen, |
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Please can I make a process suggestion? There was a lot of fuss and waste of time when you complained on ANI about WMC blocking Dreamguy for "Edit-warring" when there was no 3RR. I am sure we all have better things to do. The correct process to challenge a block is on the users talk page with an unblock request so that another uninvolved admin can come and review the block. An ANI review is not a good process and doesn't work efficiently in review terms. The comment hangs around until sometime unblocks it rather than being subject to a clean review (in practice any number of admins see it and support the block but wouldn't mark it resolved). Perhaps you could explain to Dreamguy how to do this next time they get a block. Thanks --[[User:BozMo|BozMo]] [[user talk:BozMo|talk]] 13:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:I understand your point, and I'm aware of how to use the unblock template. So is DreamGuy, see his page, where he immediately put up an unblock request when he found himself blocked. The reason I put the issue on ANI was that I thought it needed more eyes, and some discussion; not just review by one admin. William's reputation as a trigger-happy blocker, and Dream-Guy's reputation as an uncivil editor, made it a special case, IMO. I'm sorry you thought it a waste of time. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 14:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC). |
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::I have just done [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Dubious_block_by_William_M._Connolley a section on "Arboropia"]. I hope BozMo reads it. AN/I seems like a good place to talk about an ''unwarranted'' block, particularly if there is a feeling that the community needs to caution the blocker. There are people running around hitting the "block" button frivolously, or emotionally, and then committing the more serious crime of not explaining themselves. Those people are inappropriate, if not mere bullies. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 14:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Hmm. Read it. IMHO the block was fine (given it said edit warring not 3RR) and 75% of admins would have supported it. WMC has overturned the only block I have ever had overturned and I don't think he is remotely trigger happy, he is eye-wateringly fair. Perhaps AN/I would be a place to post it AFTER it had shown itself capable of being overturned by due process. --[[User:BozMo|BozMo]] [[user talk:BozMo|talk]] 14:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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I see nothing wrong with taking a block review to ANI if another editor feels that the block needs prompt attention. I've done it several times myself (including well before I was an administrator) in cases where a block seemed questionable or needed greater attention than it would receive in the ordinary course. Of course, the blocking administrator should be notified, which was done here. (Not commenting on the merits of this particular block.) [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 14:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Just in case, since you were mentioned and I mentioned you further: [[WP:ANI#User Tonymetz posted again to my talk a month after a very clear request to never do so again|#User Tonymetz posted again to my talk a month after [..]]] – [[Special:Contributions/2804:F14:8090:C501:8CF5:7412:F217:B3C2|2804:F14:8090:C501:8CF5:7412:F217:B3C2]] ([[User talk:2804:F14:8090:C501:8CF5:7412:F217:B3C2|talk]]) 02:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thank you, Brad. BozMo, I suppose those admins who "have better things to do" have the option of not getting involved in any ANI thread, or any other discussion, that they see as mere "fuss". Anyway, I was talking about William's reputation, not giving my personal opinion about his blocking practices (or my opinion about DreamGuy's civility, either). WMC certainly does have the rep of blocking early and blocking long. Perhaps that simply comes from the fact that he patrols WP:AN3 a lot; I haven't done a statistical study. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 15:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC). |
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:Thank you. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 08:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC). |
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== Your goggles are requested please == |
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== request; scene music == |
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Hello Bishonen, I know you are busy and I hate to trouble you, but – User:DrKC MD – has been slinging insults/attacks at me and edit warring. I noticed you issued a warning a few days ago, but now the behavior is directed at me. When you find a moment, could you please have a look and at the situation? Thanks in advance! [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 17:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Sorry.. I'm even less sure. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC). |
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:{{TPS}} looks like he's talking on the talk page... hasn't make an edit or revert yet today. can take to [[WP:AN3|AN3]] if he continues. -- [[user:aunva6|Aunva6]]<sup>[[user talk:aunva6|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Aunva6|contribs]]</sup> 17:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[User_talk:Privatemusings#Disrupting_wikipedia_to_make_a_point|Disrupting wikipedia to make a point]] == |
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:::[''Bishzilla is very pleased''.] It's the little [[User:Aunva6|Aunva6]]! Not to run away again! [''Stuffs little Aunva in her pocket. Sternly:''] Stay! [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#0FF"><big>''bishzilla''</big></b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;"><sub>R</sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></i>]] [[User:Bishzilla/Srp|<b style="color:#33E">pocket</b>]] 17:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC). |
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[[File:The changeling, John Bauer, 1913.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Privatemusings and friend privately musing over Bishonen pointedly asleep.]] |
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::@[[User:Aunva6|Aunva6]], you are mistaken, not sure you are looking in the right places which is the article [[Women in punk rock]] and associated talk page [[Talk: Women in punk rock]] and also their user page. I am more concerned about the insults/attacks than the edit warring, which is simply annoying. In actuality they did make their last edit today by yet again restoring their disputed content on the article, this is the 4th time (along with insults in a couple different venues.) This started a week ago. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 17:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Please don't [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=269757418&oldid=269752713 disrupt wikipedia to make a point]. In fact please don't make any points at all. Please also recognise that it's rude to point, and is both disruptive to our charity work, and is clear [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=269803857&oldid=269803302 trolling]. Please consider yourself strongly admonished, and run along. [[User:Privatemusings|Privatemusings]] ([[User talk:Privatemusings|talk]]) 02:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I do have an opinion about the disagreement, [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]], but I won't share it (in order to remain able to "admin" the article in case it's needed). It's a problem that there are only the two of you arguing. You obviously need more eyes on the article. Try [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]], perhaps? As for the personal attacks, DrKC MD is being fairly rude, yes, but I don't think it rises to where I warn them about personal attacks. Better focus on getting the conflict resolved. As for being the fourth revert, as you tell Aunva... no. What counts is how many reverts they've made ''after you warned them about edit warring''. By my count that's only one. All their edits are not reverts, some are merely additions of new sources. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC). |
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:Please do not make a point of pointing at Bishonen making a point. Besides, I disagree. I really like [[The Point!|the Point]]. Trolls are pointless; they live in caves and demonstrate a complete lack of awareness of the world around them. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 10:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I guess the other two warnings I put in edit summaries don't count [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 18:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::roundabouts are pointless too, and you're clearly missing [[The_Point,_Milton_Keynes|the point]] - don't have a [[:File:ConcreteCows.jpg|concrete cow]], man....besides everyone knows [[User:Bishonen|trolls]] live under bridges, nowhere near caves. [[User:Privatemusings|Privatemusings]] ([[User talk:Privatemusings|talk]]) 12:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)<small>gosh I hope I remember right that Bish might have passing knowledge of semi-obscure UK cultural references...... ;-)</small> |
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:::::Well, warnings should be on the person's page, to make sure they see them. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 18:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::::::Thanks for letting me know. Just want you to know, tho, they are now editing logged out [[Talk:Women in punk rock#Any objection to creation of an entry for 2020s]] to support their own "consensus". I'm going to step away from this, however. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 16:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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just an update, personal attacks and edit warring have resumed. i've created an [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:DrKC_MD_reported_by_User:Aunva6_(Result:_)| AN3 case]] regarding his edit warring, etc. -- [[user:aunva6|Aunva6]]<sup>[[user talk:aunva6|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Aunva6|contribs]]</sup> 04:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Also accusing others of personal attacks and vandalism, both of which are untrue. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 12:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Removal of reference from Bigfoot == |
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::You're right on both counts, [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]]. Noting that I'd previously warned the user for personal attacks, I've blocked them for 36 hours. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 12:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC). |
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:::Thank you. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 12:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== For our hard-working hard-hat ... == |
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I've reverted your removal of a reference from Bigfoot because I believe you misunderstood what the reference was for. Please see the talk page for details. —[[User:Fiziker|<font color="#002bb8">Fiziker</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Fiziker|<font color="#002bb8">t</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Fiziker|<font color="#002bb8">c</font>]]</sup> 03:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Email == |
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''... who is busily shoring up the enwiki infrastructure'''. |
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Sorry, it took a little while to compose my reply because of interruptions. You should have it now. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]] </b> 07:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for making sure that New York's architecture [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Unarchived: User on a deletion spree|stays up to code]].<br> |
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:I probably should have included a "see below" in my email. At the bottom there's a quoted email about a related case. That earlier email explains some of the background. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]] </b> 08:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC) |
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[[User:Havradim|<span style="font-family:ariel, serif;color:maroon">Havradim</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Havradim|''<span style="font-family:Ariel, serif;color: darkgreen">leaf a message</span>'']]</small> 20:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. I guess I'll leave it to the arbcom to handle. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 15:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC). |
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:Thank you, [[User:Havradim|Havradim]]. Hard hats should be compulsory for admins; all we get is a crappy T-shirt. [[File:Admin T-shirt.PNG|110px]] |
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::(Help, little talkpage stalkers; how do I get the yellow award to stop extending itself to everything downstream?) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 10:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC). |
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== Fido == |
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:::I think I fixed it. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 10:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
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[[File:North Pacific Gyre World Map.png|left|thumb|The Great Pacific Garbage Patch]] |
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::::I have the best stalkers. Thanks, John. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 11:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC). |
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[[File:Giano's snookertable.jpg|right|thumb|The humble games room]] |
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[[File:Villainc.svg|thumb|right|Editor of the highest calibre getting ready to shoot craps at the Palazzo Splendido, Cayman Islands, spiritual home of [[User:Giano|Giano]]]] |
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[[File:Annie_Oakley_-_Full_length_photograph_circa_1899.jpg|left|thumb|Tex's idea of a "lady"]] |
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Dear Mrs. Bishonen, regarding your recent edit to my user page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGiano_II&diff=273473866&oldid=269152180] please do not think me ungrateful or unappreciative, but you may not be aware that a great deal of time, thought and effort has gone into designing the beauty of my page, indeed it is my spiritual home, Palazzo Splendido, Cayman Islands. While it is indeed kind of you to loan me your Labrador it is unnecessary, the security is more than adequate. Only those editors of the highest calibre are invited to my Friday night poker and pool evenings in my [[:File:Giano's snookertable.jpg|humble games room]] (<small>No, Jimbo you can't come</small>) where your bust sits above the fireplace radiating charm. So please should you wish to reclaim Fido - please do. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 19:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::Is that a hint of Mrs Giano in the mirror? [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 15:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:::No, it's a buck toothed female who kept following me about in case I trousered the sevres. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 15:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Tex's place is full of Bishzilla, I'm afraid. You'd better just turf the other creature in the [[Great Pacific Garbage Patch]] if it's superfluous! It's a [[Chinese dragon|water dragon]] anyway. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC). |
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P.S. I see the dragon image was deleted as soon as I tried to use it. Sigh. :-( [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC). |
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I see the sculptor was sensitive enough to avert your gaze from the posterior elements of those taking a long shot from in front of the fireplace, how wise.--[[User:Wiki_alf|Alf]] <sup><font color="green">[[User_talk:Wiki_alf|melmac]]</font></sup> 21:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC) |
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LOL. Well, I insisted, as you may imagine! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC). |
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:So THAT's what Lady Bish looks like. Prim and proper, just as I envisioned...NOT! <small>Aren't you the one who once told me that you were more of a "ROAR! girl" than a "Lady"?</small> Anyway, love what the sculptor did to your hair! [[User:Tex|Tex]] ([[User talk:Tex|talk]]) 22:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::[''Lady <s>Catherine</s> Bishonen frostily surveys mr Tex through [[pince-nez]]'' ]. "A ROAR! girl"..? [''Well-bred freezing silence ensues.'' ] [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 04:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC). |
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:::No offense meant, Ma'am. Tex likes a little ROAR in his women! [[User:Tex|Tex]] ([[User talk:Tex|talk]]) 15:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC) |
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[[File:Light on sarcophagus.jpg|thumb|centre|500px|Mrs Bishonen are you there? can you hear me? My voice is weak, but I feel your great need of me vibrating and pulsating through the celestial plains - there is bright light penetrating the mausoleum -can you hear me - feel the electricity, my voice is growing stronger still - I feel a stirring in my sarcophagus, can you see me in the bright light? Wikipedia beware the powers of darkness are upon you. [[User:Ka of Catherine de Burgh|Ka of Catherine de Burgh]] ([[User talk:Ka of Catherine de Burgh|talk]]) 19:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)<br><br>[[Ectoplasm (paranormal)|Ectoplasm]]! Ew, gross! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] 19:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC).]] |
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== Fault == |
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I understand that I am at fault, but please do not treat me as if I am the only one at fault.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Dæ</font>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 22:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Your understanding of the ANI carry-on seems to be imperfect. It would be more becoming if you stopped making excuses for yourself. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 23:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC). |
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::You're threatening to topic ban be because people were obviously baiting me. From as far as I can see, you appear to be taking their side. My understanding is imperfect? Are you saying then, that I am the only one at fault? I honestly think you need to take a look in a mirror.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Dæ</font>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 01:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC) |
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[[File:Bishzilla blink.gif|right|frame|What the Admin Saw in the Mirror]] |
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+Say what you're going to say, stop with the implications, if you were truely a good admin, you'd know I wasn't the only one at fault. It isn't my fault I was baited, but it is my fault for biting the bait. My view of the situation is fine, yours however needs to be looked at if you're going to say that I am the only one at fault here.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Dæ</font>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 01:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Lastly, exuses for myself? Please. It would be more becomming of you if you admitted your obvious bias to the situation, and kept yourself out of it, instead of threatening me and not the users you were baiting me. You threaten a single side, rather than both sides, even though it is quite obvious that all sides are being uncivil. You tell me about being more becoming? I'm surprised you were elected as an admin at all.— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Dæ</font>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|dαlus]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<font color="Green">Contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 02:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC) |
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*[''/Bishonen takes a look in a mirror, is frightened, runs away.'' ] [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 05:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC). |
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Daedalus: (i) Bishonen performs her admin duties without fear or favour. I've been on her wrong side before, so accusations of bias on her part are not going to wash with ''me''. (ii) This word "baiting" is doing the rounds, isn't it. Seems to have been started by Gwen Gale. Like "incivility", it ''can'' be used frivolously to gain an unfair advantage. Got it? [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 13:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC) |
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==Museum of Bad Art== |
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By the way, this was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Museum_of_Bad_Art&diff=276165584&oldid=276163778 me], not David. Sorry about that. [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 13:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:No, that was David all right. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Museum_of_Bad_Art&diff=276130956&oldid=276084776 The first time] was you. It was David's undoing of my original revert that got me aggravated, perhaps excessively so. Anyway, your edit wasn't the problem. Regards, [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 14:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC). |
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== That [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harriet Bosse|dreary little FAC page.]] == |
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Dearest Mrs Bishonen, I took luncheon, today, with my new dearest and closest friend [[Harriet Bosse]] (charming little woman, such an interesting life, not so interesting as mine of course) and she asked me to boom a message to you through the celestial stratas, and thank you so much for your dear little biography, and to say how much she looks forward to being on the main page, if that dreary [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harriet Bosse|FAC page]] passes, I have half a mind to go and haunt than nice Raul and Sandy (will they ever marry do you suppose? - he won't find another gal like that again - Men!). I digress, I cannot stay here chatting to you all day, I have a sitting with [[Thomas Gainsborough|Tommy]] at 4, and then a [[Tea dance|thé dansant]] with [[Ivor Novello|Darling Ivor]] at 5. I must say, being dead does keep one busy. [[User:Ka of Catherine de Burgh|Ka of Catherine de Burgh]] ([[User talk:Ka of Catherine de Burgh|talk]]) 19:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::I have just taken the time to read the page (all the way through) it realy is very good and interesting, I am just surprised that her late ladyship and others have not all rushed to support it on FAC. While I can excuse Lady C (on account of being dead) I can't help wondering where everyone else is, perhaps people spend so long politicing these days, no one actually reads a page anymore. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 09:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:''Some'' of us have [[March madness|important work]] to do and are, for real, overdue on [[publish or perish|projects]]. This is on top of any [[WP:FAR|disaffection]] we might have experienced with the process or with [[WP:CIV|persons]]. However, we keep meaning to. We've kept our meaning-to's for ages, but this one we may be able to dispense with soon. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 10:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::Please advise dear Lady C's ectoplasm that the dreary little FAC page is now a dreary little FA page! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 23:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC). |
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:::*I hear my name reverberating across the celestial plains. Now, don't be tedious and grumpy Georgie, I'm quite sure Giano (such a good looking, talented boy) had only the higest intentions and was casting no aspersions. What an amazing achievement Mrs. Bishonen, Harriet is delighted, we were playing bridge with [[Prince Aly Khan|Aly]] and [[Laurence Olivier|Larry]] when we heard (nice pair of boys, a little WHT trouble though). Anyhow, one just popped over to say congratulations; can't stop in a rush for luncheon with [[Noël Coward|Noël]] (no fear of WHT there) and [[Margaret Campbell, Duchess of Argyll|Darling Margot]], you really must come and join us sometime, you'll find the company so much more stimulating than here. Love and kisses to all. [[User:Ka of Catherine de Burgh|Ka of Catherine de Burgh]] ([[User talk:Ka of Catherine de Burgh|talk]]) 08:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC) |
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==FA review of Restoration comedy== |
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Hello, I've nominated [[Restoration comedy]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Restoration comedy|featured article review here]] because it doesn't have any inline citations. I noticed that you're the main editor of the article so I thought I'd drop you a note. I think it's a good article but the lack of inline citations is a major issue that needs looking at. All the best, [[User:Downstage right|Downstage right]] ([[User talk:Downstage right|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. Yeah, I wrote that sucker, it's my first FA (five years ago). I do find it desperately dull to fiddle with old pages, but we shall see. I still have most of the books, but I don't recollect the page numbers (well, would you?). Anyway, I started in on it yesterday, but Mattisse's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Restoration_comedy&diff=277569756&oldid=277534684 crap] has put me off so much I'm no longer sure I'll finish it. It'll all come out in the wash I expect. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 10:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC). |
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::Yikes, sorry, didn't mean to tread on a hornet's nest! [[User:Downstage right|Downstage right]] ([[User talk:Downstage right|talk]]) 11:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC) |
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==Question from arbitrator on the Scientology case== |
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Did you ever find out anything about the User:Truthtell sockpuppet? The [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Scientology/Proposed decision|proposed decision]] is being posted bit-by-bit if you have any thoughts about how it's progressing. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 17:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hi, Luke, thanks for the link. I ended up interviewing several CheckUsers, who all said the same thing: that they would put Truthtell as "likely", at the least, to be JA's sock, even though there could be no absolute certainty, the IPs involved being dynamic. Clearly that wasn't, as such, worth taking back to the evidence page. What remains for me is the personal thing: I don't think JA would lie, and I've never known him to. Wikipedia isn't that important to him, for one thing. And I don't, in particular, think he'd lie to me. Those are my opinions—they're not evidence, obviously. That's why I never added anything to that evidence section. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 18:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC). |
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::Thanks. Yes, that sounds right. I reran it and circulated the evidence to other arbitrators. There's reasonable doubt in my mind, but I guess in the circumstances it would seem more likely than not. Maybe a misfortune of living in the same area. I don't know. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand]] ''[[User talk:Cool Hand Luke|Luke]]'' 17:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== DO WANT == |
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Your featured cake is making me hungry. :-) [[User:Heimstern|Heimstern Läufer]] [[User talk:Heimstern|(talk)]] 07:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Swedish titles == |
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I always stick them afterwards and nobody has complained yet (although I've written precisely one article this year and it didn't have any foreign titles to worry about) You've already sort of done that with Dramaten anyway. [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:By the way, repeating that Baedeker quote twice in three paragraphs is uuuugggllly. [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::It is? I thought it was all subtle. I'll fix it. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC). |
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:::That's better. Why doesn't she die though? She just hangs out at the theatre slowly diminishing. It's romantic to think of her still drifting around on the wind in the wings but it doesn't satisfy my desire to see the article close with the slam of a coffin lid. If only she'd become terminally melancholic, what a way to go! [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Oh, I see she's been starred. She can be immortal with no problems now then (at least until FAR). [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes, now Ka of Harriet can hang out with [[User:Ka of Catherine de Burgh|Ka of Catherine de Burgh]] (who I see has taken over Lady C's rollback—it's not just Bishzilla that's an uppity sock around here) in the wings of Dramaten (our main drama venue besides [[WP:RFAR]]). Luvly. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC). |
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:Sorry to but in on both of ye. Things got out of hand on Brontë, over nothing, again. Smacks were handed out, and it seems to be over until the next time. I have no answears at this point. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 11:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::No comment. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC). |
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:::O whatever, I'll waste my [http://www.mindawn.com/artists/SofiaGubaidulina sweetness] else where I so suppose. Grand! [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Over? Over? It seems to be over to you, does it? Take another look. Time for [[WP:SHUN]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC). |
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::::::I hear. I'm tired exhaused and a bit embarressed by all this at this stage. I'm not sure who you are shunning, nor do I really care by now. Too much heat from either side. Sick of friendly fire, all of it, and I have cut ties with Ottava. He is not open to help, and I'm getting older. The Lucy FAC revealed a lot of motives, and was a last straw for me when I was shot my both sides. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh I don't know, his steadily more frenzied and incomprehensible ramblings make me laugh. I wonder if he has a "[[Mad Libs]]" of WP arguments "You are a NOUN who doesn't understand NOUN because you come from LOCATION". "You are a SOCKPUPPET who doesn't understand DATE-DELINKING because you come from THE TOP SHELF IN MY KITCHEN" [[User:Yomangan/sig|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangan|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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==Greetings== |
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Just needed to clean up the accumulated botcrap sediments on my talkpage. While I'm here, I thought I might do something about a few BLP issues I have noticed. |
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Nice job on [[Harriet Bosse|Harriet]], by the way. [[August Strindberg|Ågust]] needs an overhaul as well, but that's a huge undertaking. [[User:Uppland|up◦land]] ([[User talk:Uppland|talk]]) 23:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I had thoughts of Ågust, but just imagine the research..! Harriet was very manageable. Is that really botcrap you've got? Isn't it just crap? Considering that you have the <nowiki>{{bots|deny=all}}</nowiki> thingy, which seems to work for me. Anyway, lovely to see you! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 23:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC). |
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::Well, ''most'' of it was botcrap. I did not have the the anti-bot template on the page – I copied it from this page just now, as I had no idea how to keep the bots away before. I wonder if I should add some garlic and a crucifix or two, just to be on the safe side? [[User:Uppland|up◦land]] ([[User talk:Uppland|talk]]) 00:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Got a silver bullet for your [http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskedunder muskedunder]? I just sucked that template up into my clipboard and trotted over to your page to input it—and it was already there! Failing to check the history, I didn't know how new it was, though I could tell it came from here. I note you missed the handsome <nowiki>{{User:Maxypoda/zilla}}</nowiki> template, though. Try it! It's for scaring off bots and <s>morons</s> less well-informed users. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC). |
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I tried my hand at that "Living people" project, but this HotCat "gadget" seems too run too slow on my old computer and I don't really want to get back into this anyway. I wonder if [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Bongcam-Rudloff this] article shouldn't be nominated on AFD (again). Someone who could be the subject is continually forced to make edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erik_Bongcam-Rudloff&diff=254035304&oldid=253260118 this one]. No idea how to judge notability, but he doesn't appear to be a full professor. [[User:Uppland|up◦land]] ([[User talk:Uppland|talk]]) 13:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== Featured sleepyhead == |
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I believe it's me. If only I were cute like that. The bear below, BTW, is just gorgeous. I'd like to smooch with it, perhaps after the vet has shot a tranquillizer dart into it. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 08:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:Or use [http://www.wildlife-traps.com/godzilla.html this trap] to catch another cute creature. Shipping not included. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC). |
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==Games== |
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No chance. I'm sick of the games played by either side, and the extent they will be taken to...that was a very wild chance you took there with me, you obviously think I am so stupid to be sucked in, but no. I'm finished with a full stop, not with a stategic pause. Lucy was a horrendous experience, and it was born of old gruges. No more, I want out. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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:All right. I've had enough of your incomprehensible innuendos. You're not welcome here either. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC). |
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== [[Wikipedia:Date_formatting_and_linking_poll/Autoformatting_responses]] == |
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Regarding your comments in opposition of date autoformatting, I'd like to make it clear that date autoformatting and date autolinking are two different issues. They're currently interconnected by the use of the bracket syntax around dates, but a recently-installed patch also allows for date autoformatting ''without'' linking, and other proposed solutions similarly disentangle the two issues. --[[User:Sapphic|Sapphic]] ([[User talk:Sapphic|talk]]) 00:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Ingmarssönerna in the Bosse article == |
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Regarding the title of the film [[Harriet Bosse]] starred in. ''The Ingmarssons'' seems to be Waal's own translation of the title (really just a translation of the determined form, not the actual words). ''[[Sons of Ingmar]]'' is the official English title, and as the Wikipedia article is an article of its own, not dependent on Waal's book, I think it should be used. Though the film was originally released under a different title in the UK, it is referred to as ''Sons of Ingmar'' in all modern sources I can find, with Waal's book seemingly being the only exception. At least I think the title in the Bosse article should link to the article about the film. [[User:Smetanahue|Smetanahue]] ([[User talk:Smetanahue|talk]]) 00:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Sure. Go ahead. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 09:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC). |
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== Date autoformatting poll == |
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Hi Bish, I noticed that like me, you are opposed to any form of dates autoformatting. Thanks for your support. I have created some [[WP:USERBOX|userboxes]] which you might like to add to your userspace to indicate your position. You will find the boxes [[User:Ohconfucius/Userboxes|here]]. [[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] ([[User talk:Ohconfucius|talk]]) 06:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thank you, Oh, but I use very few userboxes. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 15:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC). |
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==As the Earth rotates== |
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....I am relieved that someone on the other side of it is keeping an eye on matters of consequence. I can go to bed knowing that it is in your capable hands. With Daylight Saving, it will be April 2 in 16 minutes.....YAWN! [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 12:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:I suppose you mean the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kittybrewster&diff=prev&oldid=281060397 Dead Parrot Sketch]? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC). |
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::Dead parrot! What dead parrot? What on earth are you talking about? Last time someone mentioned a dead parrot, I took a look at my budgerigiar and found him sleeping happily in the bottom of his cage with his four little feet in the air. I'm sure whatever I meant was deep and meaningful and very well meant indeed. But I'm getting a little folgetfurf as I age. How is our dear friend Lady Catherine? I haven't seen her around the traps for some time? Is she still in the land of the living? [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 11:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Alas no, Lady C has left us and become a sunbeam.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kittybrewster&oldid=282516178#.22passed_away.22_vs._.22died.22] I must refer you to [[user:Ka of Catherine de Burgh]]. Is your budgie a Norwegian Blue? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC). |
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== Unblock == |
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Thanks for that. We haven't seen eye to eye on much, but thank you for unblocking Nishidani before too much time had passed. We need people like him around. (The seeming suggestion that we were bloc voting as friends was... clearly made in ignorance ;-)[[User:Avruch|<strong style="color:#228B22;">Avruch</strong>]][[User talk:Avruch|<sup><strong style="color:#228B22;"> T </strong></sup>]] 23:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Mm. A cool-down block where it was the admin that needed a cool-down period, I guess. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jehochman&diff=prev&oldid=281172719]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC). |
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::Oh, stop trolling. Grr. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 00:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Maybe later. Do you know where I keep them? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bishonen/Moods Here]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC). |
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== Your astute comments == |
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I read your very to the point commments here[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Neurolysis#Oppose]. Thank you, it was worrying that so many seem to admire and endorse such behaviour. Your comments were a welcome breath of fresh air. Nothing much surprises me he here any longer, but that such a person dares to run for Adminship is more than concerning. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 12:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Glad you liked my post. I'm sorry it lead by indirection to a block for you, and to the usual whining from the usuals.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=282877639&oldid=282877484][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=282887484&oldid=282885963][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=282917937&oldid=282917883]; But I don't suppose you care that much? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC). |
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==My Budgie== |
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My Budgie is most definitely not a [[Norwegian Blue]], which is only found in a [[Norwegian Wood]]. My budgie comes from [[Coonamble]]..... or maybe it was [[Cootamundra]]... I forget which. He learnt to talk while hanging around the shearing sheds, and has quite a vocabulary. |
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I am so sorry to learn that our much esteeemed Lady Catherine has [[kick the bucket|"passed away"]]. I do hope that she keeps in touch! My heartfelt condolences to you and all the family. |
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[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 06:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Expedited motions and decisions (draft arbitration policy) == |
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Not sure if you were aware, but there is currently a community discussion of a draft of the arbitration policy. Back in January, I promised Yomangani that I'd make sure the issue of expedited motions was discussed, so I've started a discussion section [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Draft_policy#Expedited_decisions_and_motions|here]] and invited those who this affected, or who asked about this at the time. I hope you will have time to comment there. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 02:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Happy Easter == |
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[[File:Vinnie the Ferret in a War Dance Jump.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Happy Easter (belated) from me and (my new pet) Feliciano il Furetto, he's my answer to the Easter bloody bunnies that seem to be multiplying like rabbits up all over the site; I was going to put him next to the sweet little bunny on Jimbo's page with felicitatious greetings, but I expect both me and Ciano would be banned, by some trigger happy Admin on commission, in a second for gross disruption (''Block log: Giano banned indefinitely for killing Jimbo's easter bunny with a ferret''); so I wish you "Buona Pasqua." [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 18:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)]] |
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Uh.. ah.. what a, hm, lovely little fellow [''gingerly pets Feliciano'']. Can I call him Giano III? Let's release him on the site and see which of us gets blocked first. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC). |
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::It's Ciano, '''not''' Giano! Ciano is short for Feliciano; Giano is short for...Oh never mind; do I have to explain everything in minute detail? Just beware if he escapes their could be carnage, he takes no prisoners. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 20:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Contentious edits of a user. == |
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Hello @[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]], hope your doing well. An editor is adding questionable pov-pushing edits here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_Muhammad&diff=prev&oldid=1218731925], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aisha&diff=prev&oldid=1218732495], as well as using religious sources with[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abdullah_ibn_Abd_al-Muttalib&diff=prev&oldid=1218747734],[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenana_ibn_al-Rabi&diff=prev&oldid=1215118977] and additions that are looking like those of a troll account[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Safiyya_bint_Huyayy&diff=prev&oldid=1215108443]. |
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I've nominated [[gamma ray burst]] for [[WP:FAC]]. (Well, one of my minions did on my behalf.) [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC) |
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I reverted a few edits and asked him to gain consensus. However, as is typical with such accounts, he left me a message[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:StarkReport&diff=prev&oldid=1218854747] attributing vandalism to me. Currently, he is engaged in an edit war, reverting my changes instead of first seeking consensus on the talk pages, as I advised. Could you please look into this? [[User:StarkReport|StarkReport]] ([[User talk:StarkReport|talk]]) 07:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:The editor in question is now using [[:Talk:Aisha#Use of Sahih Bukhari for age during marriage consummation]] to seek consensus.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 08:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Two problem editors there. The one being discussed, and also see their edit to this new problem editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vinayv123#Your_edits_on_Vaishnavism] "As for you adding contents, please use contents supported by peer reviewed sources. [[User:Kawrno Baba|Kawrno Baba]] ([[User talk:Kawrno Baba|talk]]) 09:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)". Kawrno Baba thinks Hadith's are reliable sources for fact. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Doug Weller |Doug Weller ]] ([[User talk:Doug Weller #top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug Weller |contribs]]) 10:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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== Restoration Comedy == |
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== Hi Bishonen == |
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Thank you for the message you left on my talkpage. You could have a taken stronger action and it would have been in your right to do so, but you acted in good faith and gave me the benefit of the doubt, thinking that as it has been years since I left, I must have forgotten, and you were right. I totally forgot. Thank you for that, and my sincere apologies. I used to work on many African related articles and not just Serer, but agree that I spent a huge time on Serer related articles. No disagreement there! There was a reason for that. And please don't assume I'm looking for a pity party, because that's not my character and that's not the point of writing the following. Apologies in advance for the long essay. I'm long winded (lol). I just want you to understand so you see where I was coming from. My tribe are a minority group throughout the Senegambia region. Even worse, my people have been persecuted for centuries because of our religious beliefs and ethnicity. Even today, my tribe is disenfranchised, and viewed as the scorn of society and suffer prejudice. Due to our turbulent history, a huge chunk of our history has been lost because of what our ancestors went through for centuries. Despite what our ancestors went through, including being driven from their lands because of their religious beliefs and ethnicity, genocide, rape, slavery, confescation of their properties, jihads, appropriation of their culture, etc., our ancestors still survived and preserved what they could of their identity to pass it down to their descendants so that their descendants never forget where they came from. Whilst the other tribes of Senegambia are more numerous, my tribe is not. Hence why you are more likely to find articles about the Wolof, Fula, Mandinka, etc, than about the Serer. I have been fortunate enough to spend decades studying the history of the Serer, as well as the history of the Senegambia region and its people, and West Africa. And through the years, I have acquired a large number of books on the subject, many of which are now out of print. The history of the Serer people of Senegambia is practically been wiped out of the general history of the Senegambia by some of the dominant groups, and what was historically regarded as part of Serer culture and history is now being taken for themselves. For that very reason, over a year ago, the president of Senegal appointed one of Senegal's historians to write the general history of Senegal, with strong ties to one of the dominant group. When that was published, it was as if the Serer never had a stake in Senegal or the Senegambia region to be exact. The Serer associations of Senegal took a strong stance against it. Historical figures, terms, etc., that you can only decipher by referring to Serer (the original source), and not any other language, etc., made historians to question the credibility of the book. The author had to concede and agreed to re-work the book. This is what my people have been going through for years. Now, our persecution and disenfranchisement is more sublte than direct like what our ancestors faced. Our ancestors used to assign Serer names and meanings to things they created so that, only those who know the language and the symbolisms can decispher them. That was to help their descendants never forget who they are and where they came from. Due to the materials I've accumulated over the years, which is a priviledge, as many from my tribe do not have access to those materials, I thought it useful to document my people's history on Wikipedia which is free and the most used for finding out things. Maybe someone else might have later created or edited a particular article about the Serer, maybe they might not. I don't know. However, I felt it would be very selfish of me, to sit on a huge collection of materials without sharing it with the world, especially knowing that some of my people will not have access to those materials. In my passion and attempt to put the history of my people on Wiki's pages of history, I offended many people and Wiki policy, and for that, I sincerely apologise, because that was never ever my intent. Respectfully, I was not even planning of coming back to Wiki due to work and family life, but had another grandson earlier this year. When I looked at his little face, I remember how lucky he is and what his ancestors went through to make sure he is here. I could have simply passed on my collection to his father to make sure he gets it and know where he came from, but what about the other Serer babies who might not have access to it? What about the other generation? What about others who might not even be Serer but simply wants to learn? These are the reasons I decided to come back, in order to help the project in the area I know more about, and do whatever I can to the best of my ability to advance this great project for the next generation of Wiki editors. I do not doubt that I might make mistakes. We are all humans and we all make mistakes. The best thing we can do is to learn from those mistakes, and improve, because life is about learning, and learning never stops. After serving this project for over a decade, I think I have learnt a lot, moreso, in the last 5 years which has given me opportunity to reflect and be the best I could possibly be. Thank you for taking the time to read this long essay, but just to thank you and to give you some perspective. Have a great weekend.[[User:Tamsier|Tamsier]] ([[User talk:Tamsier|talk]]) 18:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Restoration_comedy&diff=283854790&oldid=281248330 How very sad], but I have heard that many restoration comedies were written by pen wielding skeletons and furetti, and the article does not mention that; I ecpect if you add this missing nformation the common masses will press for it to be elevated to featured status again. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 22:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Tamsier}}, I feel I'm not getting through, but I'll try one more time. This will be your last chance of not being blocked. You are topic banned from all edits related to the Serer people. That applies on all Wikipedia pages. This page, my talkpage, is a Wikipedia page. Writing a long text here about the importance of Serer history is a violation of your topic ban. Will you do something for me? Please read [[WP:TBAN]] to see the official definition of what a topic ban is and what it means. It's only short. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::I keep waiting for anyone to explain anything good that has ever come from FAR. What positive effect has been had by it? I'm entirely serious. What function has it served? Running out of storage space for all the excellent articles, were we? Changes in formatting were tantamount to changes in content, were they? There are no solutions other than FAR? There are no solutions like, say, having the ''date listed in the FA tag'' -- oh, wait, that's already done! -- that would allow people to recognize a 2003 from a 2009, so that they could tell, oh, [[Exploding whales]] from [[Emma Watson]] ('''two''' whole screens long on a 19 year old, and it even has sections on "early life" verses later, and gobs and slops of references to ''websites''). No, [[Restoration comedy]] '''''certainly''''' can't be compared to [[Emma Watson]], isn't in the same class at all, shouldn't have the same designation. Meanwhile, why FAR exists, I still don't know. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]]) 10:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::FARC exists because it gives some people, who enjoy such passtimes, the excuse to insult the work of others and get away with it. There is also a breed of people who love rules, conformity and similarity and then prefer to spend their lives imposing such diktats on the works of others, in this way they imagine that they appear very useful and clever without having to actually having to spend the time proving their brains by researching pages themselves. It take 2 minutes to destroy an featured article and over two months to create one - so the advantages of destroying over creating are pretty obvious. Why such people don't want to concentrate their talents on those many truly dreadful pages which wikipedia has is also obvious - they get more attention at the top of the tree than at the bottom. It is well known that I detest FARC and all those who regularly use its spacce for their own ends. This is not a massive assumption of bad faith, it is an observation gained over years spent writing on Wikipedia. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 12:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Daniel Coronell == |
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:::Pardon me for kibitzing, but ... Geogre: ''I keep waiting for anyone to explain anything good that has ever come from FAR.'' The improvement to [[El Lissitsky]]. "FAR" [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/El_Lissitzky/archive1|pain in bum]] lasted from 29 Sep to 25 Oct 2008. I don't know the degree to which this pissed off others, but it certainly pissed me off (see my comment there). [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El_Lissitzky&diff=247356916&oldid=236218108 Improvement to article.] I do concede, however, that at the time I was keener to strangle this Tiger person than I was to improve the article. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 16:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello Bishonen, if you're not too busy, do you think I could trouble you to look at this weird vandalism ring I found? The edits primarily concern the IP [[User:170.55.41.66|170.55.41.66]] and are mostly targeted at the articles [[Daniel Coronell]], schools and institutions in the South Florida area and various sportspeople. Basically this IP has been adding hoaxes and changing random information. They have added non-existent awards to [[Daniel Coronell]] in [[Special:Diff/1138195098|this edit]] and the several edits following it, as well as [[Special:Diff/1156763478|this edit]], and several edits in the past few weeks, which you could check the page history if you want to see those. They added information about a non-existent town to [[Chazz Woodson]] in [[Special:Diff/1080168835|this edit]] and linked a Google Sites about the made-up town. They've also added the names of people who appear to be students of [[Ransom Everglades School]] to various articles, such as [[Special:Diff/1022484094|here]], [[Special:Diff/1022482558|here]], [[Special:Diff/1067076285|here]], [[Special:Diff/1067077367|here]], and [[Special:Diff/1067077590|here]]. They've also committed random vandalism like [[Special:Diff/1022831246|this]], [[Special:Diff/1048565415|this]], [[Special:Diff/1048566581|this]], [[Special:Diff/1117966602|this]], [[Special:Diff/1120553918|this]], [[Special:Diff/1138023479|this]], [[Special:Diff/1189556634|whatever this is]], [[Special:Diff/1197996847|this]], [[Special:Diff/1199268461|this]], [[Special:Diff/1211248052|this fiasco]], [[Special:Diff/1217908537|this]], and [[Special:Diff/1217909652|this]]. This account, [[User:Koolio Kat|Koolio Kat]], also seems to have partaken. There's probably more but this is the obvious stuff. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it appears that their most recent three edits violated the final warning given by Muboshgu on their talk page. Sorry if it's a lot but I've had my eye on them for about a couple months now. If I had to guess I'd say it's probably a bored Miami-area teenager who thinks that Wikipedia is their playground. Not sure though. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 03:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Wow — well, I am in fact pretty busy right now, [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernames]], sorry. And I see a lot of your diffs, while certainly bad, are pretty old. Do you think you could appeal to {{u|Materialscientist}}, who blocked for a month in 2021, or, perhaps better, {{u|Muboshgu}}, who warned recently? Or, of course, to [[WP:ANI]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 08:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC). |
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::No problem. [[User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse]] ([[User talk:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse|talk]]) 15:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|AllTheUsernamesAreInUse}}, it does appear stale to me, the oldest edit was about two weeks ago. If they return, we should respond promptly. I'll notice if they're back on those baseball articles. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== User:Ratnahastin == |
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Turning to rant in another direction, but still on the subject of vital information, I have noticed of late that pages are developing advice on how to pronounce them. Am I the only person in the world who has not a clue how thes symbols are suppoes to help one? Today, I saw this stunnning advice: "(pronounced /ˈbluːmənˌθɔːl/) " on a bio page - Sorry? ..Duh..WTF? How is that suposed to help anyone - and more to the point who is it supposed ot be helping? It's rather similar to that demented woman flapping about like a one legged crow distracting the audience at [[Covent Garden]] these days. In the interval, when I asked why she had not been forcibly removed, I was told that her implematation was a condition of a Government grant, and she was actually signalling the words of the opera to the deaf. FGS how many sensible deaf people are going to pay the extortionate price of going to Covent Harden if they cant't hear it when they get there - the world has gone quite mad. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 12:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Opera makes many of us ''wish'' we were deaf, and I think watching the one-legged crow might be more entertaining, but I'm not sure how much I would pay. Now, Mr. Blumethal might, but he's a man of means and speaks fluent [[IPA]]. Myself, I prefer to ''drink'' [[India pale ale|IPA]] than speak it and regard the project, outside of linguistics, where even among the lunatics who devote their lives to fixing the mercury of the ever-shifting [[bucket/pail line]], it's of limited use, as another [[Esperanza|Esperanto]]. [[User:Utgard Loki|Utgard Loki]] ([[User talk:Utgard Loki|talk]]) 13:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:::*Rubbish, opera is entertainment for the soul. IPA? Is that what it is, well it says on its page "''The IPA is designed to represent only those qualities of speech that are distinctive in spoken language''" Well sorry, but my spoken language does not include dits and back slashed, even indistinctly. Why on earth has Wikipedia got to have this mumbo jumbo plastered over every page? [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 13:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Because, dear fellow, this is the standard notation and is understood by a large and growing number of people (larger than understand any alternative) that unfortunately happens not to include yourself. Rather than "(pronounced /ˈbluːmənˌθɔːl/)", would you prefer "first two syllables pronounced to rhyme with the first two of 'room and board' (in rapid speech), and third syllable like an ''r''-less 'thrall'"? Likewise, the architecturally underinformed are given descriptions in terms of clerestories and so forth, and ... well, they have to lump it. ¶ Now, what does make me depressed today is that Clement Freud has died. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 16:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::Oh he was the man with the dog wasn't he? [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 16:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC) |
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admin sir. This user @[[User:Ratnahastin|Ratnahastin]] removed reliable/sourced information from [[Graharipu]] and he reverted blocked user version. please block him. [[User:Hcsrctu|Hcsrctu]] ([[User talk:Hcsrctu|talk]]) 02:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Hcsrctu}} There was a lot of caste-cruft in your edits which I am sure anyone would find wrong. Anyway, I would simply suggest you to read [[WP:HISTRS]]. [[WP:RAJ|Outdated sources from colonial period]] and new age publications are not reliable for this subject. <span style="font-family:'Forte';">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#d93634;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</span> 02:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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That's a very sad edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bishonen/Articles&diff=prev&oldid=283839684]. If you abandon it, who do you suppose is capable of taking care if it - Mattisse or one of her chums? C'mon don't make me laugh. It's not the page's fault it was atacked, it needs someone to protect it from vandals and idiots. In short, it needs you. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II|talk]]) 18:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Ratnahastin|Ratnahastin]]: Scholars and historians have mentioned [[Graharipu]] as Yadava and Abhira<ref>{{Cite book |last=Enthoven |first=Reginald Edward |title=The Tribes and Castes of Bombay |date=1990 |publisher=Asian Educational Services |isbn=978-81-206-0630-2 |pages=25 |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book |last=Tambs-Lyche |first=Harald |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=5ntuAAAAMAAJ&q=Hemachandra+kavya+Yadava |title=Power, Profit, and Poetry: Traditional Society in Kathiawar, Western India |date=1996-12-31 |publisher=Manohar Publishers & Distributors |isbn=978-81-7304-176-1 |pages=56 |language=en |quote=Hemachandra, in the Dyashraya-Kavya, describe the prince Grahasipu, ruling at Vanthali near Junagadh, as an Abhira and a Yadava (Krishna's legendary tribe) (Enthoven 1920, 25).}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |author=K. V. Soundara Rajan |author-link=K. V. Soundararajan |title=Junagadh |year=1985 |publisher=Archaeological Survey of India |quote="The Chudasama dynasty, originally of Abhira clan [...] An illustrious ruler of this clan in the 10th cent. was Graharipu or Grahario I" |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=2eIcAAAAMAAJ }}</ref><ref>{{Cite book|last=Sen|first=Sailendra Nath|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Wk4_ICH_g1EC&dq=abhira+graharipu&pg=PA324|title=Ancient Indian History and Civilization|date=1999|publisher=New Age International|isbn=978-81-224-1198-0|page=324|quote=After consolidating his position, he turned against Graharipu, the Abhira chief of Saurashtra and his ally Laksha or Lakha, the ruler of Cutch|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Wk4_ICH_g1EC&pg=PA344|title=Ancient Indian History and Civilization|author=Sailendra Nath Sen|date=1 January 1999|publisher=New Age International|isbn=978-81-224-1198-0|pages=344|quote=The Abhiras began to rule in Southern and western Sourashtra from the second half of the 10th century A.D their capital was vamanshtali, modern vanthali nine miles west of Junagadh. They became very powerful during the reign of [[Graharipu]] who defeated the Saindhavas and the Chaulukyas.|access-date=3 January 2011}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book |last=Majumdar |first=Ramesh Chandra |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=bnZDAAAAYAAJ |title=Ancient India |date=1964 |publisher=Motilal Banarsidass |pages=303 |language=en |quote=The Abhiras grew very powerful during the reign of Graharipu in the middle of the 10th century A.D. He had his capital at Vāmanasthali, now represented by Abhiras the village Vanthali, 9 miles west of Junagadh.}}</ref> but you people have problem only with Abhira word. It is clearly visible from your editing that you promote casteism. I don't know why you people feel that the present Ahirs are the ancient Abhiras. [[User:Hcsrctu|Hcsrctu]] ([[User talk:Hcsrctu|talk]]) 03:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thank you, sweetie, but I'm sure the knowledgeable users X, Y, and Z will take good care of it. In any case, would it have been worth a [[WP:BATTLE]]? No, it wouldn't. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC). |
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:The version you were trying to restore had been rejected by {{ping|utcursch}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Graharipu&diff=prev&oldid=1219965896] in past, inspite of this you participated in a slow edit war to restore your preferred version multiple times [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Graharipu&action=history][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Graharipu&diff=1220758285&oldid=1220263242]. You have been notified about active sanctions in this topic area,I would suggest you to be more careful on how you conduct yourself.<span style="font-family:'Forte';">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#d93634;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</span> 02:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*That won't happen, [[User:Hcsrctu|Hcsrctu]]. Would my talkpage stalkers care to take a look at those sources? They sound dodgy to me. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 08:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC). |
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*:@[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]]: You look at the [[Graharipu]] article where it is showing that The Chudasamas began to rule in Sourashtra from the second half of the 10th century A.D but the sources mention Abhiras not Chudasamas. And there it is also showing that Hemachandra in the Dvyashraya-Kavya describe Graharipu as a Yadava. But the Source mentions Graharipu as an Abhira and a Yadava. [[User:Hcsrctu|Hcsrctu]] ([[User talk:Hcsrctu|talk]]) 09:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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SPA crossing the line
Hi Bishonen, hope you are fine. Wish you a very happy & prosperous new year! Deep singh kumawat has been involved in slow edit warring, trying to promote the communities (Kumhar & Kumawat) using unacceptable sources and mostly trying to remove sourced content from the article on Kumhar, see 1, 2, 3 & similar ones (in spite of warnings and discretionary sanctions alert on their talk page)! Now, after the recent revert, Deep singh kumawat is trying to threaten me saying they have admin friends in Hindi Wikipedia and some higher authority will 'prevent' me 'from getting promotion' (God knows what they mean)! But this is not the problem; the problem is when I reverted this edit along with a proper edit summary here, they have reverted my talk page edit (here)! I guess Deep singh believes that they would decide what I should allow on my talk page! Please intervene. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Happy new year to you too, Ekdalian. I've posted some advice for the user. Bishonen | tålk 09:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC).
- @Ekdalian,You are misinterpreting my statements.If you find my article threatening, I am willing to make corrections, that is, I will rarely write like this again.I was asking you to be a compassionate person like my admin friends.From which you have taken inappropriate meaning, perhaps,I am obliged to say sorry to you.
- @Bishonen Ji
- I had given a government reference in place of the removed reference to increase information/knowledge.
- @Ekdalian has not given a proper reason for undoing this.1 I am not promoting any caste or community, I have just tried to publish the reliable information I get about them. Despite this, if you feel that I am wrong somewhere, please write with discretion. दीपसिंह 10:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Westall
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 17:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Need input.
In the List of converts to Hinduism from Islam article, I removed 4 as they did not had the WP:RS and WP:OR sources. First one: Nargis, in her article I cant see any info regarding her conversion to hinduism in fact opposite "she expressed her wish to be buried following the Islamic rites, Sunil and Sanjay eventually offering the Islamic funeral prayer" in the Personal section.
Another is Khusro Khan, his Religion section explicity states that "Barani's narrative is unreliable, and contradicted by more reliable sources. Khusrau Khan wished to be seen as a normal Muslim monarch, and had the khutba in the mosques read in his name." Hence including him on the list severely violates WP:NPOV and WP:RS and WP:Fringe.
Another case is of two brothers, Harihara I and Bukka Raya I, both articles explicity state that their early life is "unknown and most accounts are based on various speculative theories" the same paragraph that conjecture their religion. So we need stronger and more WP:Reliable sources to make them in the list.
Can you please see if the revert did not violated Wikipedia's policies. 182.183.11.100 (talk) 20:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Guidance
Dearly platinate, please accept wishes for a cool and fruitful year. I wonder if you could take a look at Neri Oxman and recent edit streams there, where it seems hard to maintain proportionality. I don't want to spar with the ornery, as it feels like care is warranted, and would welcome your perspective. – SJ + 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- About the plagiarism allegations? Man, what a lot of editing. I suppose people basically agree that the plagiarism issue should be in the article, and that Business Insider is an OK source for it? The question is if it should be in the lead. I'll keep my opinion on that to myself, since I intend to protect the article. Daniel Case has semiprotected; that I don't understand, since there's an edit war on, not IP disruption. I've upped it to full protection. A good year to you too, little user! (Oops, that was Bishzilla getting into my head.) Bishonen | tålk 18:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC).
- <laugh> Yea, it seems a combination of PIA-fringe and politics is spreading to a range of academic articles this season. It's mainly a question of how quickly and prominently media cyclones propagate allegations into biographies. A wordy section with five separate BI cites is generous to news tails that may wish to wag article dogs. And here (as with the Rufo articles on Claudine Gay) the news outlet was making the news, not reporting on it. That feels like a different role than the one we usually evaluate in considering reliability. – SJ + 19:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- You're a sensible person, so I'm sure you agree with me on the lead-thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Need your expertise
Hey Bish! I've been looking into some Indian weirdness (lots of spam and UPE) but I'm coming across lots of weirdness that isn't what I'm looking for. Any chance you could have a look at this hyper-focused editor and decide if their contributions are good, bad, or indifferent? They're not what I'm looking for and I don't deal with Indian subcontinent topics. Thanks! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Very focussed - either the subject or an acolyte. I am not bothered enough to start checking the sources, but if they do check out I suggest it should be left alone. It might not get the traffic of a minor anime character, but it might be a more worthwhile subject in the future. (yes, I do nose around India sub-continent issues - mostly ensuring that caste or religious affiliations to not overburden an article). LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, little LessHeard. I would figure an acolyte, for myself. Some of it isn't sourced at all, other than to Pattanaik's own words. You need my what, Harry? Honestly, it's true I've found myself somewhat pulled into Indian subjects, but it's not exactly because I understand them. Little talkpage stalkers? RegentsPark, Abecedare, Vanamonde93, SpacemanSpiff? Bishonen | tålk 17:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC).
- Why would one of your (very many) acolytes be editing this article..? LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Aha, it's probably Bishzilla! Bishonen | tålk 17:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC).
- My guess would also be that this is an acolyte, possibly with a COI, but the low rate of edits and long time frame suggests to me this isn't UPE. I suspect this individual is notable, but substantive coverage is sparse, and someone will have to dig for reviews of his books to write a neutral article. I'd suggest a p-block from the page until they answer questions about their COI, and taking it from there. The page is full of puffery but I'm not immediately seeing a clean version to revert to, it may have to sit under a tag until someone else musters the energy to fix it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Pattanaik is definitely notable but the article is weird. Having ruffled a lot of feathers, he gets a lot of criticism from both sides of the ideological spectrum and all that is clearly missing. That said, I'm not sure this would be UPE, more like a fan's edits (we get that a lot). Compare this article with Pema Khandu and this would even look like a candidate for a Pulitzer! —SpacemanSpiff 01:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- My guess would also be that this is an acolyte, possibly with a COI, but the low rate of edits and long time frame suggests to me this isn't UPE. I suspect this individual is notable, but substantive coverage is sparse, and someone will have to dig for reviews of his books to write a neutral article. I'd suggest a p-block from the page until they answer questions about their COI, and taking it from there. The page is full of puffery but I'm not immediately seeing a clean version to revert to, it may have to sit under a tag until someone else musters the energy to fix it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Aha, it's probably Bishzilla! Bishonen | tålk 17:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC).
- Why would one of your (very many) acolytes be editing this article..? LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Zabriskie
Hello, Bishonen. Do you think you could revision delete the latest contribution on the talk page of User:Peterzabriskie, labeled "redact"? It was me erasing my real name from several of his comments after he ignored my request to keep my identity anonymous after we go into a debate some months ago. Thanks in advance. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I did not ignore any of the comments. 174.240.160.251 (talk) 22:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- User:Peterzabriskie, Well, you clearly did to my request not to use my real name. Also, why are you using an IP? Don't you have an account? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- I am just responding to your pursuit 174.240.160.251 (talk) 22:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- ps your timing is coincidentally curious: I no sooner hit submit to The US Copyright Office to register past works of mine. Making me possibly less "not noteworthy " but your resurrection of this ancient dispute surfaces again. Lol. 174.240.160.251 (talk) 22:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Reworded response: That is a coincidence indeed. I'm not sure how you think I would know that you did that. And I did not resurrect it and am not making an attempt to continue it; I simply transcribed it to my Wikipedia page because I believe conversations pertinent to Wikipedia contributions should stay here. And there is no "pursuit"; I didn't even intend for you to get involved. Maybe we could carry this conversation to my talk page? Though I would prefer that it just gets discontinued, especially if we are both content with the way things turned out. Also, you didn't answer my first question. Just curious why you aren't logged in? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- The name appears already in this edit, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse, and in every revision from then onwards, so I'd have to revision delete pretty much the entire page history. I'm not sure that's reasonable, and there's also the risk of a Streisand effect. As for you, User:174.240.160.251 / User:Peterzabriskie, you can either log in to your account or get lost from this page. If you act again to make your doxxing more prominent or otherwise disrupt Wikipedia, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC).
- Didn't notice that. Good point. Could you make time to read that transcript of mine? Of course you don't have to but I find it rather amusing. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm lost. Where is it? Bishonen | tålk 22:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC).
- In any case, it'll have to be tomorrow. Bedtime here. Bishonen | tålk 22:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC).
- Here. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- The email mentioned below wasn't Zabriskie, was it? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not at all, no. Something completely different. I hope you have now received my reply, Ritchie333? Bishonen | tålk 02:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC).
- I did, and your advice was acted upon. I have dropped a penny in the Bishzilla charity box. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not at all, no. Something completely different. I hope you have now received my reply, Ritchie333? Bishonen | tålk 02:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC).
- In any case, it'll have to be tomorrow. Bedtime here. Bishonen | tålk 22:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC).
- Sorry, I'm lost. Where is it? Bishonen | tålk 22:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC).
- Didn't notice that. Good point. Could you make time to read that transcript of mine? Of course you don't have to but I find it rather amusing. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- The name appears already in this edit, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse, and in every revision from then onwards, so I'd have to revision delete pretty much the entire page history. I'm not sure that's reasonable, and there's also the risk of a Streisand effect. As for you, User:174.240.160.251 / User:Peterzabriskie, you can either log in to your account or get lost from this page. If you act again to make your doxxing more prominent or otherwise disrupt Wikipedia, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 22:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC).
- Reworded response: That is a coincidence indeed. I'm not sure how you think I would know that you did that. And I did not resurrect it and am not making an attempt to continue it; I simply transcribed it to my Wikipedia page because I believe conversations pertinent to Wikipedia contributions should stay here. And there is no "pursuit"; I didn't even intend for you to get involved. Maybe we could carry this conversation to my talk page? Though I would prefer that it just gets discontinued, especially if we are both content with the way things turned out. Also, you didn't answer my first question. Just curious why you aren't logged in? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- User:Peterzabriskie, Well, you clearly did to my request not to use my real name. Also, why are you using an IP? Don't you have an account? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
You've got mail (unless the courier has lost it)
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Page blocked user
Hi Bishonen.. you had page blocked the user Vishwabrahman52 from the article on Rathakara! How can they still edit the article? Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, my bad! They were page blocked for six months; hence they are back now doing exactly what we expect from them! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Is there a reason you hardblocked Sarthakhereluck? The main account is probably affected by the autoblock. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 16:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Someone who's wrong on the internet. I wanted to stop them from creating further accounts, but thinking about it, you're probably right that autoblocking wasn't the best idea (even though the main account isn't exactly behaving like god's gift to Wikipedia). I've changed it. Thanks for your vigilance! Bishonen | tålk 18:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC).
- No prob! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
That works
Thanks for cutting the Gordian knot of my own design, Bish. I was about to routinely block them, but then got myself caught up with wanting to avoid the appearance of INVOLVED, and then that developed into paralysis about whether it was worth making an AE report...this is a much simpler solution. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Temporary protection request
Can you temporarily protect the article Nilathingal Thundam Perumal temple? User:Sudarshanazhwan has the habit of deleting paragraphs in that article.
Yours sincerely, 31.200.16.100 (talk) 07:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, IP. Sudarshanazhwan has been indefinitely blocked, so there shouldn't be any need for protection. Feel free to come back here if there should be more disruption at the article. Bishonen | tålk 09:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC).
- Thank you. 31.200.16.100 (talk) 10:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Caste warrior
Hi Bishonen.. can you please take appropriate action against the user Elizabethhistoric77. Please check the revision history of the article on Das (surname) to get an idea of the kind of persistent vandalism by the user in spite of all forms of warnings! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Ekdalian Sorry, it's too late for Bish to do anything. Done and dusted. Doug Weller talk 16:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much, Doug Weller. Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 16:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Testing
This section is for testing. Bishonen | tålk 21:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC).
- Can I test too? Floquenbeam (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- ..○○oo00OO(testing 📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣📣)---Sluzzelin talk 23:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Unnecessary Edit War
Bishonen . . . In November, I made an attempt to update the Herod the Great page. I made factual changes. I supported the changes with credible sources. And the changes were summarily reverted, and so quickly that it is difficult to believe that the changes were considered for credibility. As it happens, all the changes that were undone were either changes to remove biased and derogatory disparagement of the Bible, or to remove incorrect statements that attempted to champion an uncorroborated hypothesis supported by an academic minority. A hypothesis that is not in agreement with scholars of renown, like Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim.
The person who reverted the changes was condescending, rude, and belligerent. I stood up for myself. I was considered "rude," and he was not. I was blocked from the page. He wasn't. And I got the distinct overall impression that some favoritism was taking place.
While I absolutely appreciate that a lot of hacks come onto this site and make ridiculous changes, and the content certainly has to be protected from people who would pollute it with disinformation, I have been researching the topic of Herod the Great and related New Testament history for almost thirty years. I'm not a hack. I do know the information of this topic, and probably better than most. The article in its present condition is rife with biased points of view, blatantly incorrect statements relative to the known facts, and minority conclusions generally dismissed by the academic majority, while the opinions of the majority are virtually non-existent.
I would like to edit the article with credible changes, based on credible sources. I would like to do so without having to fight with the self-appointed watchdog over the site. I can be a quality contributor on several articles surrounding this and related topics. I have a lot of years and a lot of knowledge to share. But there's no point if the changes are going to be summarily undone. I spent a great deal of time carefully wording things and looking up sources the last time, and the first change was undone before I finished the third. It was ridiculous. I won't spend time trying to provide the internet community with valuable information if that time is going to be wasted.
Furthermore, I would like to appeal once more to have the Matthew comment amended. The only relevance Matthew has to the topic of Herod is that Matthew is the source by which Herod is both famous and infamous. The integrity of Matthew's account is not germane to the topic of Herod the Great, only the existence of it. I was not the first person to try and amend it. I won't be the last. The content as it exists serves no purpose other than to disparage the Bible. That, "Herod is most famously known from the Bible's Gospel of Matthew," is as much as is relevant. The addendum that, "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred," only exists to discredit the Bible. It adds nothing to the Herod article, and the credibility of Matthew in this case is an opinion besides. I was told I couldn't add opinionated content (which I didn't actually do; I provided direct primary sources). And it's still an opinion, even if it's an opinion from a published book. Additionally, it is offensive content. And Wikipedia states that it is inclusive. If the content is offensive, not germane, and not established by any facts whatsoever, then it shouldn't be there.
Some guidance on these things would be appreciated. I would like to contribute without harassment, and since concise statements with quality source citations are apparently not adequate, I could use some help in understanding what I need to do to make changes that won't waste my valuable time.
I wanted to message you privately, but I couldn't find an option for that, so my apologies for airing this in public. AlexFrazier (talk) 14:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, AlexFrazier. In public is fine. I'm a little taken aback to see that being blocked from Herod the Great and its talkpage in November 2023 has meant that you have edited nothing since. Is Herod your only interest on Wikipedia, really? It seems unfortunate to me that you haven't used the time of your block to edit in other areas and make yourself more familiar with the culture and the policies here. I'm afraid your opinion, shown above, that the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" only exists to discredit the Bible, and is offensive, suggests to me quite strongly that Wikipedia may not be the place for you. The Bible is not considered a reliable source here. Yes, as you say, you provided primary sources (such as the Bible) and drew conclusions from them. That's not how it's supposed to work per our policies: articles are supposed to be based on reliable secondary sources. Drawing your own conclusions from primary sources is not allowed; please, if you read nothing else that I link to, look up Wikipedia:No original research. That Wikipedia is "inclusive" does not mean that you're free to ignore our rules and policies.
- To summarize: if you expect me to rein in tgeorgescu and let you edit the article without anybody objecting or reverting, that's not going to happen. (Indeed, I couldn't do it if I wanted to.) Since you seem quite resistant to our rules, I do fear that you would in fact be wasting your time by going back to editing Herod the Great, and/or arguing about it on the talkpage. I don't like to tell anybody they're not a good fit for Wikipedia, but, well, since you appear to actively dislike our principles... I'm sure there are websites out there better suited to your work. You probably know more about them than I do. Bishonen | tålk 19:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC).
- Are you suggesting that because I find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive that Wikipedia isn't the place for me? Am I understanding you correctly?
- I haven't edited anything else because it seems to me that I'll run into the same problem.
- Also, I didn't use the Bible as a primary source. I used reliable secondary sources, and they were ignored. I don't expect anyone to protect a page on my behalf. I just want some fairness.
- But truth be told, you answered in such a biased and unrelated manner to my post that it's obvious the favoritism I suspected appears to be accurate.
- If you folks care more about playing favorites and protecting garbage scholarship because heaven forbid someone should cite an actual primary source (which is what your secondary sources are using to form their "original research" conclusions), then you're probably right. This may not be the place for me. I sincerely thought this was a place where those who had the knowledge could contribute to make a great online encyclopedia. But with the way this is, you might as well just plagiarize a few books and be done with it. AlexFrazier (talk) 19:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Theodore Mommsen, Emil Schürer, or Alfred Edersheim
—they lived and died how many years ago? Stick to mainstream Bible scholarship published in the past 20 or at most 30 years. And we have a low opinion of those who try to give the lie to relatively recent works of Bible scholarship published by WP:CHOPSY. We're not Sunday school. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)- First of all, I came to him, not you, to resolve a problem because I feel I was treated unfairly. Your rude and condescending input wasn't needed. Nor did you say anything of worth. Secondly, Theodore Mommsen is a renowned scholar, responsible for numerous volumes of the CIL, the IG, and other volumes of epigraphy and Roman and Greek History, in addition to writing The History of Rome. He was educated at an Ivy League school. Emil Schürer was likewise educated at an Ivy League school, and has numerous publications. I read the rules. They don't say they have to be in the last twenty years or so. The topic concerns history from two thousand years ago. Their educated works have weight. Thirdly, I'm not treating this as Sunday School. There's no reason for you to insult me. I even kept your name out of my communication to keep it neutral. So do me a favor and just leave me be. AlexFrazier (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Bishonen is a she. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- shrug* k AlexFrazier (talk) 20:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- If you mean that Wikipedia as a whole favors relatively recent WP:SCHOLARSHIP from WP:CHOPSY: you're right, this is not a level playing field. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- I asked you to leave me alone. I have no continued interest in what you have to say. AlexFrazier (talk) 20:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Bishonen is a she. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, I came to him, not you, to resolve a problem because I feel I was treated unfairly. Your rude and condescending input wasn't needed. Nor did you say anything of worth. Secondly, Theodore Mommsen is a renowned scholar, responsible for numerous volumes of the CIL, the IG, and other volumes of epigraphy and Roman and Greek History, in addition to writing The History of Rome. He was educated at an Ivy League school. Emil Schürer was likewise educated at an Ivy League school, and has numerous publications. I read the rules. They don't say they have to be in the last twenty years or so. The topic concerns history from two thousand years ago. Their educated works have weight. Thirdly, I'm not treating this as Sunday School. There's no reason for you to insult me. I even kept your name out of my communication to keep it neutral. So do me a favor and just leave me be. AlexFrazier (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Then why are you pleading here, if you're not interested in your opponents comments and responses? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- That person is consistently condescending and rude to me. I don't want anything to do with them. And I didn't plead to that person. I came here to contact the admin for advice on how to be able to participate when following the rules resulted in being blocked.
- The answer I received said enough. This site is a joke. AlexFrazier (talk) 20:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, no, I'm not suggesting Wikipedia isn't the place for you because you find unnecessary anti-Christian comments offensive — not at all. I'm suggesting Wikipedia isn't the place for you because you find the text "most Herod biographers do not believe that this event occurred" to be anti-Christian. Secondly, it's not for you to try to shoo tgeorgescu off this page — my user talkpage. They're welcome here. Bishonen | tålk 21:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC).
- Indeed, we seek to refrain from offending Christians needlessly. But we still have to call a spade a spade. Actually, liberal Christianity made peace with that since long ago.
- Anyway, that the WP:RS/AC from 150 years ago trumps the WP:RS/AC from this year is a ridiculous argument. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- CU blociked. Doug Weller talk 08:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Caste crap
Sorry to bother you, Bish, but this looks beyond the pale. Perhaps, a final warning is in order. Also, see their t/p. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nah, 3 months partial block from talk page and article. I didn't check, do they need an alert? Doug Weller talk 11:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Also see [1]. Doug Weller talk 11:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Doug! TrangaBellam (talk) 13:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Also see [1]. Doug Weller talk 11:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Bish.. Sourin666 and Aceofalljackofnone are caste warriors; I have warned both of them multiple times on their respective talk pages. You may please check i) this, Sourin666 initiating a new section along with legal threat, ii) Sourin666 recently saying that three editors (including me) are "nothing more than goons" in this edit, iii) Aceofalljackofnone supporting such a personal attack here! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your prompt action, Doug Weller! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you, Doug. I guess you changed your mind about a 3-month block, as you actually blocked for one month? Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC).
- Ouch. My bad. Still, we'll see what happens after that unless you want to change it. Doug Weller talk 13:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- They're doing a little venting, and their new userpage is ... interesting. I'm interested in what they do next. Acroterion (talk) 13:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ha. The userpage is amusing. I find it hard to believe that they wrote it themselves, actually. AI? Bishonen | tålk 13:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC).
- Slightly tangentially, I just blocked the morning crop of spammers that showed up in edit filter 499, and a lot of them have an AI feel to them. I foresee an avalanche of one-off camelcased names spouting five paragraphs of prosy AI-speak about rubber band importers. With a thoughtful spammer and the right software it could become a real problem. Acroterion (talk) 13:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's really tough to believe they wrote it themselves! Ekdalian (talk) 13:34, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ha. The userpage is amusing. I find it hard to believe that they wrote it themselves, actually. AI? Bishonen | tålk 13:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC).
Self-requested block
Hello, per your page on this, could you please block me until 0:00 1 March 2024? I would like to enforce a wikibreak, and I don't trust myself to not break my account if I use the user script. Thank you! Thriftycat Talk • Contribs 16:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Also, please do wait 24 hours before blocking (as your page says); I don't want to autoblock my entire school. Thriftycat Talk • Contribs 16:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thriftycat, hehe, always fun blocking whole schools! Kidding. I will block you as requested, starting in 24 hours (or a bit more in case I'm AFK). But I'll make it simply "one month" — fitting it to a particular time of day is bothersome. Not sure, either, whether the software counts February as a proper month. Please let me know if you care about those details. Bishonen | tålk 17:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC).
- Great, that sounds good. Thriftycat Talk • Contribs 19:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thriftycat, hehe, always fun blocking whole schools! Kidding. I will block you as requested, starting in 24 hours (or a bit more in case I'm AFK). But I'll make it simply "one month" — fitting it to a particular time of day is bothersome. Not sure, either, whether the software counts February as a proper month. Please let me know if you care about those details. Bishonen | tålk 17:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC).
The user was blocked by a retired admin - you may wish to revoke TPA. Cahk (talk) 09:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello!
I just started using Twinkle, so sorry about the unnecessary 4th warning. I seemed to have issued the warning right after you banished the user. Is there any way I could have did better? AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 14:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- You did fine, AlphaBetaGammsh. Your warning and my block have the same timestamps, so, even though I was probably a smidgeon earlier, you couldn't very well have seen the block before you warned. I didn't mean to blame you by removing your fourth warning — I just thought it didn't look right on the page, just below the block notice. Thank you for warning vandals! Bishonen | tålk 14:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC).
Deletion request
Dear Bishonen, can you please DELETE this account Melrorross (talk) 19:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Melrorross. I'm afraid accounts can't be deleted, as such. But it looks from the conversation on your talkpage as if what you want is to get rid of the account — to immobilize it, so to speak — and henceforth to use only the older account User:Melroross (note the different spelling). That would be a good thing, since one person isn't supposed to have more than one account. I can take care of it by blocking Melrorross and blanking its userpages, or redirecting them to the Melroross pages. Would that suit you? Please respond below. Bishonen | tålk 21:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC).
Minor but annoying mystery
I'd appreciate the help of a wise and crafty Wikipedian at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#19:09,_12_February_2024_review_of_submission_by_Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- And it still doesn't show up on Google, Mr Fröding. (I wouldn't have known, as I use DuckDuckGo. Use DuckDuckGo, don't get tracked!) But you're after a wise and crafty Wikipedian. I'm pretty sure I've got some of those watching this page. Also, might not Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) be the best place to ask? Whatever the problem is, it's surely of a technical nature. Bishonen | tålk 09:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC).
- Usedtobecool tried something (turn off and turn on again), we'll give it awhile and see what happens. The mission is to get the WP-article to appear above her entry on wikifeet.com in a search like this:[2]. I'm now considering adding that site as an EL, just to see how long it lasts. Maybe in early April. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
"How to" question
You have been recommended by a friend as a fount of all wisdom on Wikipedia - or at least someone who might know the answer to the question "how do I turn off a peer review request?" I have tried to remove it twice, and it has been replaced both times by an editor who says I can't do that. Do you know the secret handshake? If so, please tell me! The article is History of Christianity. They hated the middle section and I am having to redo it, so it doesn't need more reviewing at this time. Or am I missing something? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, Jenhawk777, everything to do with peer review is terra incognita to me. Maybe ask on the page itself? (Wikipedia:Peer review/History of Christianity/archive1.) I see the talkpage for that hasn't been created yet, so that would probably be a dead end. Bishonen | tålk 20:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC).
- Thank you for answering. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Missing block on User talk:2600:8807:4C83:3E00:A038:E81D:8056:B389 added
I assume it was an oversight as you announced, but did not block the user. Fixed. -- Alexf(talk) 20:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking out for me, Alexf. Actually, using Twinkle, I ticked the "Block the /64 instead" box, which I generally like to do, and in this case there was also similar vandalism from other IPs in the /64 range, which had been blocked before very recently. (Hence my 72 hours.) See the block log for the /64. Bishonen | tålk 22:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC).
Capo Geezy
Hello Bishonen, me again. Do you think you could take a look at what's going on over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capo Geezy? And also the edit histories of User:Iamcapobroquard and User:Iamcapogeezy? You should be able to understand what's going on but if you need explanation then I can give one. Sorry if it's a lot of reading but I really do think it needs attention ASAP. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Partially handled by Isabelle Belato; User:Iamcapobroquard has been blocked but now there are two new accounts, User:Capogeezy90 and User:Dantecolombo4. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Aha, two obvious sleepers, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse; created some time ago, but only began editing today. I'll block them, but I think we need an SPI and a CheckUser to look for more sleepers. I'll try to take care of that. Bishonen | tålk 18:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
- Wasn't as hard as I thought! Done, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iamcapogeezy. Bishonen | tålk 18:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
- Already dealt with by Spicy, quite a sock drawer found. Bishonen | tålk 19:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
- Lovely, though I definitely wouldn't put it past them to keep this up. I suppose I should sock strike all of Capo's comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Capo Geezy? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 19:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Also this IP raises suspicion. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well, strike them if you like. I see OwenX has tagged a few with {{sockvote}}. There are more that Spicy caught, so feel free to tag those as well. Iamcapobroquard, for example, and Capogeezy90, and the IP 130.18.104.156 (partially blocked from the AfD by Isabelle Belato). And since you mentioned the possibility of an SPI, why not add a note + link for that?
- So, an IPv6 removing the AfD template? Yes, that's interesting. Maybe give them a little more rope, since the SPI is closed anyway. Bishonen | tålk 21:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
- Already dealt with by Spicy, quite a sock drawer found. Bishonen | tålk 19:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
- Wasn't as hard as I thought! Done, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iamcapogeezy. Bishonen | tålk 18:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
- Aha, two obvious sleepers, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse; created some time ago, but only began editing today. I'll block them, but I think we need an SPI and a CheckUser to look for more sleepers. I'll try to take care of that. Bishonen | tålk 18:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
Regarding a particular username
Hi Bishonen, hope you are fine. Can you please have a look at this username, TheLazyBot! Does it violate our username policy? Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 07:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Ekdalian. Well, according to WP:MISLEADNAME it's not a good idea, but the user has been getting away with it for some time, and I find it hard to get worked up about. Perhaps we can go with WP:BADNAME: "If the name is not unambiguously problematic, it may be sensible to ignore it." Bishonen | tålk 21:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC).
Manny Cid
Hello Bishonen, sorry to bother you again so soon, but maybe you could look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manny Cid, especially the talk page? I don't know if I sound overzealous and I don't think it's really a big deal yet but something doesn't settle right with me. May be a lot of reading again, though you don't have to read the whole AfD, but MEAUSA's and LadyBugFlorida's bits may be worth reading. Any input would be greatly appreciated. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well, looks like Schrodinger's jellyfish may have it under control. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 05:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi again, AllTheUsernames. Yes, the warning from Schrodinger's jellyfish seems about right. LadyBugFlorida is obviously someone who has read the somewhat paranoid blog about how Cid's page was "suddenly" put up for deletion, and who is unfamiliar with the culture here. So they express themselves poorly and say the wrong things — no surprise there. I'm actually more surprised at the experienced editor who accused you of "bludgeoning". And I notice even the OP, who is on that person's "side", disapproves. If you read WP:BLUDGEON, it's downright ridiculous. But it's not something that requires me to say something adminny, I don't think. It makes a poor impression, which is surely worse for them than you. (Mind you, if people don't want to engage, it's better not to ping them repeatedly.) Bishonen | tålk 14:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC).
New days, new problems
We have a not-much-of-a-newbie deleting impeccably sourced content from atop a moral high horse (or perhaps, T-Rex). There's some highly charged rhetoric about "pro-pedophilia apologists in online circles", etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oh no, TrangaBellam, may I please be excused from involving myself in the Aisha nexus? It makes me so tired. WP:ANI? Bishonen | tålk 19:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC).
- Ah, that is understandable - no worries! With 20/20 hindsight, it was mighty stupid of me to wade in though the section stayed almost unperturbed for a year. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Editor experience invitation
Hi Bishonen :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'd rather not, thanks. Bishonen | tålk 09:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC).
- That's completely fine. I hope you have a good day, regardless. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Re [3]
That was indeed a mislick. I should probably install a confirm-rollback script since I tend to misclick a lot. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- There's a confirm rollback script? Not that I need one, I don't rollback much, nor use a touch screen (the horror). But it does show that we have scripts for everything. Bishonen | tålk 17:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC).
A pie for you!
Hi, Bishonen, I just mentioned your name somewhere. So I thought to drop some wiki love here to acknowledge your efforts in dealing with sock puppets. Happy editing! Regards. Maliner (talk) 08:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
Thank you, that looks delicious! Bishonen | tålk 09:30, 29 February 2024 (UTC).
February music
Music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday - for sweets, scroll a bit in the places -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
story · music · places |
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- good choice - a few more, and the memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art such as this --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Vacation pics uploaded, at least the first day (fish soup), - and Aribert Reimann remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The COI and AI
[4] I had the same hunch, but not strong enough to comment on it. The amount of text, the surprisingly quick reply, etc. How does one "know"? Do we some EARWIG-like AI-detector around, and if we don't, can we get one? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- See [5] Doug Weller talk 11:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Bish, @Doug Weller, I tested the above AI-checker by pasting [6] into it. "We are highly confident this text is entirely
- human". That's good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Gråbergs Gråa Sång LOL. I should hope so. I'd hate to think you were just an AI. Doug Weller talk 08:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Bish, @Doug Weller and @AndyTheGrump for all the helpful and uplifting input. I'm keeping the AI-tools. To quote Doug's tool, "This result should not be used to directly punish students."
- Andy, you're now on my wall:[7]. Best I've heard since "I'd also add from an intellectual standpoint that I'm not really sure how we should deal with people who's claim to notability comes from us not considering them notable." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
And the response to your complaint about AI-text was more AI-text. Oh well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are many AI detectors, though I've also read somewhere a rather depressing test of how reliable they are (not very). Anyway, I didn't use one, I just thought it was completely obvious. Now, I've tried this one at random from Google's various suggestions, and it says Pedro's first post at WP:COIN has "100% AI content". Doug is using another one. And note that Pedro says to me, or his chatbot says, that he uses it because it makes his text better, so his use of it improves Wikipedia. Bishonen | tålk 11:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- Doug has indeffed, good thinking. And Pedro, just before that, got in a complaint about AndyTheGrump telling him to fuck off. I've responded with the obvious. Anybody else? Bishonen | tålk 11:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
This made me spit my Earl Grey all over the keyboard. Thank you for the guffaw. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 11:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- A philosophical question arises. Is it even possible to make a personal attack on a chatbot? I've have to say no, since a bot isn't a person... AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Good point, Andy. Also, when I complained about Pedro's use of AI, he told me "I want to clarify that my use of AI tools is solely to enhance my text, leveraging it as the valuable resource it is". A similar argument applies to your use of bad language (and mine): it's solely to enhance our text with a valuable resource. I mean, we could have said "go away", but we chose to enhance it. Bishonen | tålk 11:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- Aargh! 'Leveraging'! Management-speak flinflam at its most odious. Give me a lever and I'll gladly beat the binary bits out of the server node or whatever that generates such gloop... AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- In other words, you will use best practices to realize the strategic leveraging of synergistic assets? JoJo Anthrax (talk) 13:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am reminded of http://wisdomofchopra.com/ Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Now there's a bullshit-bot, if ever I saw one. Though per stopped clocks it must get things right occasionally. After many attempts, it cam out with this gem:
"Making tea imparts reality to personal molecules"
. Indeed. I rarely feel more real in my personal molecules than when I've got a steaming mug of tea in front of me. And then, the tea and I become one... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Now there's a bullshit-bot, if ever I saw one. Though per stopped clocks it must get things right occasionally. After many attempts, it cam out with this gem:
- I am reminded of http://wisdomofchopra.com/ Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- In other words, you will use best practices to realize the strategic leveraging of synergistic assets? JoJo Anthrax (talk) 13:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Careful, enhance is a word to watch these days. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Aargh! 'Leveraging'! Management-speak flinflam at its most odious. Give me a lever and I'll gladly beat the binary bits out of the server node or whatever that generates such gloop... AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Good point, Andy. Also, when I complained about Pedro's use of AI, he told me "I want to clarify that my use of AI tools is solely to enhance my text, leveraging it as the valuable resource it is". A similar argument applies to your use of bad language (and mine): it's solely to enhance our text with a valuable resource. I mean, we could have said "go away", but we chose to enhance it. Bishonen | tålk 11:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- Update: A fitting end. We finally get to hear Pedro's own voice, because I don't think ChatGPT wrote that. Bishonen | tålk 19:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- Ah, quite a fascinating read. How many policies can one account violate in just two weeks? I count COI, PAID, copyvios, use of AI, CIR, and possibly a few more. I've spent a lot of time lately trying to remove corporate-speak from what is now a 10-page document (it started out at 19), and I loved the way you leveraged the language of heightened concern. Risker (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Now I understand. I always suspected you were a bit more than just an administrator - you are actually a "self-called" administrator! Going forward can I refer to you as Self? Pretty please? JoJo Anthrax (talk) 07:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Indef required
Sourin666 waited out the block and has returned to being a IDHT-SPA. I think we need an indef. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to believe you, TrangaBellam, but it's all so complicated! @Sitush:, are you there? @Vanamonde93:? Bishonen | tålk 16:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- Well, they're insisting that text needs to be changed without recognizing that they need to support that with RS. But they're not engaging in PAs any more that I can see. I'd suggest a little more rope, but an indef could be justified on the basis that competence is required, and they don't have it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I'd say they have half of a legitimate grievance buried in there; the cited source clearly supports what's in the article at present, but it also says that they (like many other Dalit groups) attempted to claim a caste identity for themselves. I don't really want to do a caste warrior's work for them, but the movement at least seems worthy of coverage, even if it's hasn't had the results they'd want. And it doesn't obviate the untouchability claim, of course. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Vanamonde, I love you. Bishonen | tålk 16:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- I live for the mighty 'zilla's love. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: Ofcourse, their movement is worthy of coverage but Sourin666 seeks that our article (1) stop using the term 'Pod', (2) mention the caste as a Kshatriya, and (3) remove the fact of the Pods/Poundras being historically subject to untouchability. I can perhaps see where they are coming from — though with some skepticism in light of increasing attempts by certain political factions to downplay aspects of a deeply unegalitarian past — but Wikipedia is not the place for it. Also, I am also reminded of Janaki Nair's incisive essay (p. 243 - 246); esp. the third challenge. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not disagreeing with any of that, am I? Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- But you are (kind of) opposing an immediate indef, meaning that the time-sink goes on ... TrangaBellam (talk) 16:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @TrangaBellam Not for much longer, it won't. I have weighed in there. - Sitush (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- But you are (kind of) opposing an immediate indef, meaning that the time-sink goes on ... TrangaBellam (talk) 16:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not disagreeing with any of that, am I? Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Vanamonde, I love you. Bishonen | tålk 16:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- Also, I'd say they have half of a legitimate grievance buried in there; the cited source clearly supports what's in the article at present, but it also says that they (like many other Dalit groups) attempted to claim a caste identity for themselves. I don't really want to do a caste warrior's work for them, but the movement at least seems worthy of coverage, even if it's hasn't had the results they'd want. And it doesn't obviate the untouchability claim, of course. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, they're insisting that text needs to be changed without recognizing that they need to support that with RS. But they're not engaging in PAs any more that I can see. I'd suggest a little more rope, but an indef could be justified on the basis that competence is required, and they don't have it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Just what I need An official government agency trying to use Wikipedia for its propaganda social media outlet.. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- And for their achievements achieved throughout the year. A real pleasure to block that one, Fritter. Well, a pleasure tinged with anxiety: I'm not used to having to trust Google Translate quite so blindly. Suppose the Arabic merely meant something like "yo, motherfucker". Bishonen | tålk 03:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC).
Capo Geezy once more
I hope you don't mind me bothering you with this again, but I think I may have found another Iamcapogeezy sockpuppet, Bobbyjean97, who has a similar username to many of the blocked sockpuppets and recently created Draft:Gianni Broquard, which is an essential copy of the deleted article. I would open an investigation if I were remotely familiar with the process. What do you think? Also, some recent activity by User:130.18.104.156 at Capo, one of the IPs that spammed the AfD–not sure that this matters though. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Aha, that guy. Thank you, AllTheUsernames. Blocked, and draft deleted and salted against recreation. Do you use scripts at all? This is by no means something you need to feel you have to do, but if you install User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js, you'll be amazed at how simple it becomes to create SPI reports. Bishonen | tålk 09:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC).
- Thank you, I'll look into that. On an additional note, I found this casepage from December 2023. Apparently some of the accounts go back to early 2020. There's also the account Capogeezyinc, which is probably a sleeper as Netherzone said, and Jreidray, which is less suspicious but recreated Draft:Capo Geezy a little while ago, which has been deleted 7 times. Do you think that's worthy of salting? Not sure if there would be sufficient evidence to block or not. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's surely evidence, but they haven't really been active. As for salting Draft:Capo Geezy, Oshwah creation protected it in August 2023, though only limiting creation to autoconfirmed users, which seems a little weak to me. But it hasn't in fact been recreated since, so I guess I'll leave it at that. Bishonen | tålk 22:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC).
- Not affiliated with Capo Geezy, but I will say he is the type to create multiple accounts. Willing to verify however possible. Jreidray (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I'll look into that. On an additional note, I found this casepage from December 2023. Apparently some of the accounts go back to early 2020. There's also the account Capogeezyinc, which is probably a sleeper as Netherzone said, and Jreidray, which is less suspicious but recreated Draft:Capo Geezy a little while ago, which has been deleted 7 times. Do you think that's worthy of salting? Not sure if there would be sufficient evidence to block or not. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Also will say, 130.18.0.0/16 is Mississippi State University's network. Both he and I are students there. Jreidray (talk) 17:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Jreidray, if you have nothing to do with Capo Geezy, I'd be interested to know how it came about that you created Draft:Capo Geezy (now deleted) in August 2023. Bishonen | tålk 18:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC).
- I am a student at his university and he stands around promoting his self and his fame and I thought it a shame he wasn't on Wikipedia. The printouts he handed out said he had tons of listens and followers so I trusted that and other sources. I wouldn't say I have nothing to do with him, we've spoken, but he also has to the thousands of passerby who will stop for a second to let him spill about himself. 130.18.119.125 (talk) 22:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- That 130.18.119.125 reply was me. Sorry, totally new to this. Thanks. Jreidray (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Jreidray, if you have nothing to do with Capo Geezy, I'd be interested to know how it came about that you created Draft:Capo Geezy (now deleted) in August 2023. Bishonen | tålk 18:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC).
TheNotoriousSildeSoiler
Hi,
On 17 March you indef blocked TheNotoriousSildeSoiler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as a vandalism-only account. It appears that this editor is evading the block with a new account YouCantDefeatSlideSolier (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Besides the name similarity, the new account has vandalized the same article that the previous account edited. CodeTalker (talk) 18:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, not really trying to hide, are they? Note the change from Silde to Slide, though. Thanks, CodeTalker. Bishonen | tålk 20:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC).
- Yeah, I noticed that. They also changed "Soiler" to "Solier". I don't know if these are deliberate changes or if they just have poor spelling skills. Thanks for handling it! CodeTalker (talk) 20:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, they are now CU-confirmed (you can tag em if you like) and also otherwise impeded. Drmies (talk) 22:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed that. They also changed "Soiler" to "Solier". I don't know if these are deliberate changes or if they just have poor spelling skills. Thanks for handling it! CodeTalker (talk) 20:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Revoke talk page access???
Hi, Bish. Do you think TPA should be revoked for User:Nkienzle after this comment they added to your block statement? Thanks. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:29, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- In case you're wondering, the statement is located at the very bottom of the page. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to miss. I was just thinking the response was predictable and TP access is on borrowed time. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I marked the page on my watchlist to see what would happen. Hope Bish replies ASAP. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- No huge hurry. This is a hit and run user. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Welp, the personal attack was removed. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 01:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- No huge hurry. This is a hit and run user. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I marked the page on my watchlist to see what would happen. Hope Bish replies ASAP. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to miss. I was just thinking the response was predictable and TP access is on borrowed time. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Oh... well, thanks for the thought, NoobThreePointOh, but I can't say I care. Venting against the blocking admin is something I tend to allow, at least when the blocking admin is me. And I see somebody has reverted it, too. I'm going to bed now; if the venting is too persistent, I expect I'll wake up to see some other admin has revoked TPA. Good night, guys! Bishonen | tålk 01:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC).
- @Bishonen Alright then, goodnight. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 01:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I didn't know that he left Wikipedia after your block. He created so many featured and good articles. After the DBigXray episode, there is a bias in favor of editors such as Tranga Bellam Tayi Arajakate, and Venkat. All these CIVIL POV pushers are more problematic. Tranga Bellam has less experience in how film articles are edited. Tranga Bellam's behavior is borderline harassment. they bite newbies, and wiki hounds other's edits. 2409:40E1:10C5:5906:6D9E:F6F2:440D:CACE (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The user left Wikipedia because of a two-month page block? A pretty mild sanction for severe disruption, IMO (compare this ANI thread). And you have found it necessary to log out from your account to come here and complain about it? OK. I'm afraid I would take that more seriously if you weren't hiding. Bishonen | tålk 17:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC).
Some words
Hi, hope this comment finds you well. To be honest, I think the reaction shown to my report may make the attackers bolder. Making numerous instances of personal attacks, which is usually taken seriously, and going with no cautions or warnings. Thanks anyway. --Mhhossein talk 21:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- They can simply edit war and make personal attack without responding to policy based arguments raised by me. Is the discussion considered ongoing now? I know there should be more DR steps over the content dispute but the incivility is not a content issue. --Mhhossein talk 23:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mhhossein, I'm sorry, but the offenses were too old for admin action when you reported them at ANI, and they're even older now. There's nothing I can do. When I told you that at ANI, you said the (old) diffs you had given were merely examples, but you still to this day have not offered anything recent. Do you have anything from the last 10 days? If not, I suggest you'll feel better if you let it go. Bishonen | tålk 23:26, 30 March 2024 (UTC).
New legal article
I have finished enough of Consciousness of guilt (legal) to go public with it. Further development will be appreciated. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- It reads well, Valjean, and I'm delighted to encounter my old friend A. C. Bradley in such an unexpected context, but IANAL. Bishonen | tålk 18:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC).
Antioch International Movement of Churches
Hi there, I see you contributed a minor edit at the page for Antioch International Movement of Churches. Would you consider helping out on that page? Totally ok if not, but you have a lot more experience than I or the other involved editor Austin613 and we're having a hard time agreeing on how the article should be developed. Your feedback might be helpful since you have more experience. But totally ok if you don't have time; since you made a minor edit I thought it was worth asking you. Shinealittlelight (talk) 19:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Shinealittlelight. I no longer remember how I came to make the small correction, but I'm sorry - the subject lies pretty far from my interests and knowledge. Maybe you'd like to use the Wikipedia:Third opinion form of dispute resolution? It's lightweight and easy to use, and perfect for a disagreement where only two people are involved. Bishonen | tålk 21:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC).
- Sure, thanks, I'll check that out. Have a good day. Shinealittlelight (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Please correct this
Please correct this allegation it's not accurate. [11] Tonymetz 💬 23:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I checked it carefully. How is it not accurate? Bishonen | tålk 08:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC).
restored some removed posts
🔜 “restored a single post and then apologized for it” Tonymetz 💬 16:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)- No, this is not a single post. It's three posts — a little conversation — which you restored. I've already asked on ANI where you apologized, purely because the diff you originally provided for it does not contain an apology. I see you have replied there with another diff, where you say "Let’s take it down a knotch. I’m sorry how that was received." That is actually what's known as a Non-apology apology (please click on my link there), a statement which expresses "I didn't do anything wrong, but you took it the wrong way". The mere words "I'm sorry" can't turn that into an actual apology. Please see also WP:NOTSORRY. But that is by the way, purely because you now mention it. My "allegation", as you call it, wasn't about objecting to your non-apology — hardly worth it, IMO — but purely about restoring some posts. Bishonen | tålk 18:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC).
- Ok I hear your opinion and thank you. What’s next. Is there anything more to do on the admin side? Tonymetz 💬 20:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing I'm aware of. Bishonen | tålk 21:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC).
- Ok I hear your opinion and thank you. What’s next. Is there anything more to do on the admin side? Tonymetz 💬 20:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is not a single post. It's three posts — a little conversation — which you restored. I've already asked on ANI where you apologized, purely because the diff you originally provided for it does not contain an apology. I see you have replied there with another diff, where you say "Let’s take it down a knotch. I’m sorry how that was received." That is actually what's known as a Non-apology apology (please click on my link there), a statement which expresses "I didn't do anything wrong, but you took it the wrong way". The mere words "I'm sorry" can't turn that into an actual apology. Please see also WP:NOTSORRY. But that is by the way, purely because you now mention it. My "allegation", as you call it, wasn't about objecting to your non-apology — hardly worth it, IMO — but purely about restoring some posts. Bishonen | tålk 18:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC).
ANI
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
Just in case, since you were mentioned and I mentioned you further: #User Tonymetz posted again to my talk a month after [..] – 2804:F14:8090:C501:8CF5:7412:F217:B3C2 (talk) 02:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Your goggles are requested please
Hello Bishonen, I know you are busy and I hate to trouble you, but – User:DrKC MD – has been slinging insults/attacks at me and edit warring. I noticed you issued a warning a few days ago, but now the behavior is directed at me. When you find a moment, could you please have a look and at the situation? Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) looks like he's talking on the talk page... hasn't make an edit or revert yet today. can take to AN3 if he continues. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 17:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Aunva6, you are mistaken, not sure you are looking in the right places which is the article Women in punk rock and associated talk page Talk: Women in punk rock and also their user page. I am more concerned about the insults/attacks than the edit warring, which is simply annoying. In actuality they did make their last edit today by yet again restoring their disputed content on the article, this is the 4th time (along with insults in a couple different venues.) This started a week ago. Netherzone (talk) 17:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I do have an opinion about the disagreement, Netherzone, but I won't share it (in order to remain able to "admin" the article in case it's needed). It's a problem that there are only the two of you arguing. You obviously need more eyes on the article. Try Wikipedia:Third opinion, perhaps? As for the personal attacks, DrKC MD is being fairly rude, yes, but I don't think it rises to where I warn them about personal attacks. Better focus on getting the conflict resolved. As for being the fourth revert, as you tell Aunva... no. What counts is how many reverts they've made after you warned them about edit warring. By my count that's only one. All their edits are not reverts, some are merely additions of new sources. Bishonen | tålk 17:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
- I guess the other two warnings I put in edit summaries don't count Netherzone (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, warnings should be on the person's page, to make sure they see them. Bishonen | tålk 18:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
- Thanks for letting me know. Just want you to know, tho, they are now editing logged out Talk:Women in punk rock#Any objection to creation of an entry for 2020s to support their own "consensus". I'm going to step away from this, however. Netherzone (talk) 16:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, warnings should be on the person's page, to make sure they see them. Bishonen | tålk 18:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
- I guess the other two warnings I put in edit summaries don't count Netherzone (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I do have an opinion about the disagreement, Netherzone, but I won't share it (in order to remain able to "admin" the article in case it's needed). It's a problem that there are only the two of you arguing. You obviously need more eyes on the article. Try Wikipedia:Third opinion, perhaps? As for the personal attacks, DrKC MD is being fairly rude, yes, but I don't think it rises to where I warn them about personal attacks. Better focus on getting the conflict resolved. As for being the fourth revert, as you tell Aunva... no. What counts is how many reverts they've made after you warned them about edit warring. By my count that's only one. All their edits are not reverts, some are merely additions of new sources. Bishonen | tålk 17:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
just an update, personal attacks and edit warring have resumed. i've created an AN3 case regarding his edit warring, etc. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 04:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also accusing others of personal attacks and vandalism, both of which are untrue. Netherzone (talk) 12:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- You're right on both counts, Netherzone. Noting that I'd previously warned the user for personal attacks, I've blocked them for 36 hours. Bishonen | tålk 12:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC).
- Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 12:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- You're right on both counts, Netherzone. Noting that I'd previously warned the user for personal attacks, I've blocked them for 36 hours. Bishonen | tålk 12:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC).
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Contentious edits of a user.
Hello @Bishonen, hope your doing well. An editor is adding questionable pov-pushing edits here [12], [13], as well as using religious sources with[14],[15] and additions that are looking like those of a troll account[16].
I reverted a few edits and asked him to gain consensus. However, as is typical with such accounts, he left me a message[17] attributing vandalism to me. Currently, he is engaged in an edit war, reverting my changes instead of first seeking consensus on the talk pages, as I advised. Could you please look into this? StarkReport (talk) 07:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- The editor in question is now using Talk:Aisha#Use of Sahih Bukhari for age during marriage consummation to seek consensus.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Two problem editors there. The one being discussed, and also see their edit to this new problem editor [18] "As for you adding contents, please use contents supported by peer reviewed sources. Kawrno Baba (talk) 09:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)". Kawrno Baba thinks Hadith's are reliable sources for fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 10:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen
Thank you for the message you left on my talkpage. You could have a taken stronger action and it would have been in your right to do so, but you acted in good faith and gave me the benefit of the doubt, thinking that as it has been years since I left, I must have forgotten, and you were right. I totally forgot. Thank you for that, and my sincere apologies. I used to work on many African related articles and not just Serer, but agree that I spent a huge time on Serer related articles. No disagreement there! There was a reason for that. And please don't assume I'm looking for a pity party, because that's not my character and that's not the point of writing the following. Apologies in advance for the long essay. I'm long winded (lol). I just want you to understand so you see where I was coming from. My tribe are a minority group throughout the Senegambia region. Even worse, my people have been persecuted for centuries because of our religious beliefs and ethnicity. Even today, my tribe is disenfranchised, and viewed as the scorn of society and suffer prejudice. Due to our turbulent history, a huge chunk of our history has been lost because of what our ancestors went through for centuries. Despite what our ancestors went through, including being driven from their lands because of their religious beliefs and ethnicity, genocide, rape, slavery, confescation of their properties, jihads, appropriation of their culture, etc., our ancestors still survived and preserved what they could of their identity to pass it down to their descendants so that their descendants never forget where they came from. Whilst the other tribes of Senegambia are more numerous, my tribe is not. Hence why you are more likely to find articles about the Wolof, Fula, Mandinka, etc, than about the Serer. I have been fortunate enough to spend decades studying the history of the Serer, as well as the history of the Senegambia region and its people, and West Africa. And through the years, I have acquired a large number of books on the subject, many of which are now out of print. The history of the Serer people of Senegambia is practically been wiped out of the general history of the Senegambia by some of the dominant groups, and what was historically regarded as part of Serer culture and history is now being taken for themselves. For that very reason, over a year ago, the president of Senegal appointed one of Senegal's historians to write the general history of Senegal, with strong ties to one of the dominant group. When that was published, it was as if the Serer never had a stake in Senegal or the Senegambia region to be exact. The Serer associations of Senegal took a strong stance against it. Historical figures, terms, etc., that you can only decipher by referring to Serer (the original source), and not any other language, etc., made historians to question the credibility of the book. The author had to concede and agreed to re-work the book. This is what my people have been going through for years. Now, our persecution and disenfranchisement is more sublte than direct like what our ancestors faced. Our ancestors used to assign Serer names and meanings to things they created so that, only those who know the language and the symbolisms can decispher them. That was to help their descendants never forget who they are and where they came from. Due to the materials I've accumulated over the years, which is a priviledge, as many from my tribe do not have access to those materials, I thought it useful to document my people's history on Wikipedia which is free and the most used for finding out things. Maybe someone else might have later created or edited a particular article about the Serer, maybe they might not. I don't know. However, I felt it would be very selfish of me, to sit on a huge collection of materials without sharing it with the world, especially knowing that some of my people will not have access to those materials. In my passion and attempt to put the history of my people on Wiki's pages of history, I offended many people and Wiki policy, and for that, I sincerely apologise, because that was never ever my intent. Respectfully, I was not even planning of coming back to Wiki due to work and family life, but had another grandson earlier this year. When I looked at his little face, I remember how lucky he is and what his ancestors went through to make sure he is here. I could have simply passed on my collection to his father to make sure he gets it and know where he came from, but what about the other Serer babies who might not have access to it? What about the other generation? What about others who might not even be Serer but simply wants to learn? These are the reasons I decided to come back, in order to help the project in the area I know more about, and do whatever I can to the best of my ability to advance this great project for the next generation of Wiki editors. I do not doubt that I might make mistakes. We are all humans and we all make mistakes. The best thing we can do is to learn from those mistakes, and improve, because life is about learning, and learning never stops. After serving this project for over a decade, I think I have learnt a lot, moreso, in the last 5 years which has given me opportunity to reflect and be the best I could possibly be. Thank you for taking the time to read this long essay, but just to thank you and to give you some perspective. Have a great weekend.Tamsier (talk) 18:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Tamsier, I feel I'm not getting through, but I'll try one more time. This will be your last chance of not being blocked. You are topic banned from all edits related to the Serer people. That applies on all Wikipedia pages. This page, my talkpage, is a Wikipedia page. Writing a long text here about the importance of Serer history is a violation of your topic ban. Will you do something for me? Please read WP:TBAN to see the official definition of what a topic ban is and what it means. It's only short. Bishonen | tålk 19:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC).
Daniel Coronell
Hello Bishonen, if you're not too busy, do you think I could trouble you to look at this weird vandalism ring I found? The edits primarily concern the IP 170.55.41.66 and are mostly targeted at the articles Daniel Coronell, schools and institutions in the South Florida area and various sportspeople. Basically this IP has been adding hoaxes and changing random information. They have added non-existent awards to Daniel Coronell in this edit and the several edits following it, as well as this edit, and several edits in the past few weeks, which you could check the page history if you want to see those. They added information about a non-existent town to Chazz Woodson in this edit and linked a Google Sites about the made-up town. They've also added the names of people who appear to be students of Ransom Everglades School to various articles, such as here, here, here, here, and here. They've also committed random vandalism like this, this, this, this, this, this, whatever this is, this, this, this fiasco, this, and this. This account, Koolio Kat, also seems to have partaken. There's probably more but this is the obvious stuff. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it appears that their most recent three edits violated the final warning given by Muboshgu on their talk page. Sorry if it's a lot but I've had my eye on them for about a couple months now. If I had to guess I'd say it's probably a bored Miami-area teenager who thinks that Wikipedia is their playground. Not sure though. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 03:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wow — well, I am in fact pretty busy right now, AllTheUsernames, sorry. And I see a lot of your diffs, while certainly bad, are pretty old. Do you think you could appeal to Materialscientist, who blocked for a month in 2021, or, perhaps better, Muboshgu, who warned recently? Or, of course, to WP:ANI. Bishonen | tålk 08:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC).
- No problem. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- AllTheUsernamesAreInUse, it does appear stale to me, the oldest edit was about two weeks ago. If they return, we should respond promptly. I'll notice if they're back on those baseball articles. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Ratnahastin
admin sir. This user @Ratnahastin removed reliable/sourced information from Graharipu and he reverted blocked user version. please block him. Hcsrctu (talk) 02:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Hcsrctu: There was a lot of caste-cruft in your edits which I am sure anyone would find wrong. Anyway, I would simply suggest you to read WP:HISTRS. Outdated sources from colonial period and new age publications are not reliable for this subject. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin: Scholars and historians have mentioned Graharipu as Yadava and Abhira[1][2][3][4][5][6] but you people have problem only with Abhira word. It is clearly visible from your editing that you promote casteism. I don't know why you people feel that the present Ahirs are the ancient Abhiras. Hcsrctu (talk) 03:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The version you were trying to restore had been rejected by @Utcursch: [19] in past, inspite of this you participated in a slow edit war to restore your preferred version multiple times [20][21]. You have been notified about active sanctions in this topic area,I would suggest you to be more careful on how you conduct yourself.Ratnahastin (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That won't happen, Hcsrctu. Would my talkpage stalkers care to take a look at those sources? They sound dodgy to me. Bishonen | tålk 08:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC).
- @Bishonen: You look at the Graharipu article where it is showing that The Chudasamas began to rule in Sourashtra from the second half of the 10th century A.D but the sources mention Abhiras not Chudasamas. And there it is also showing that Hemachandra in the Dvyashraya-Kavya describe Graharipu as a Yadava. But the Source mentions Graharipu as an Abhira and a Yadava. Hcsrctu (talk) 09:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- ^ Enthoven, Reginald Edward (1990). The Tribes and Castes of Bombay. Asian Educational Services. p. 25. ISBN 978-81-206-0630-2.
- ^ Tambs-Lyche, Harald (1996-12-31). Power, Profit, and Poetry: Traditional Society in Kathiawar, Western India. Manohar Publishers & Distributors. p. 56. ISBN 978-81-7304-176-1.
Hemachandra, in the Dyashraya-Kavya, describe the prince Grahasipu, ruling at Vanthali near Junagadh, as an Abhira and a Yadava (Krishna's legendary tribe) (Enthoven 1920, 25).
- ^ K. V. Soundara Rajan (1985). Junagadh. Archaeological Survey of India.
The Chudasama dynasty, originally of Abhira clan [...] An illustrious ruler of this clan in the 10th cent. was Graharipu or Grahario I
- ^ Sen, Sailendra Nath (1999). Ancient Indian History and Civilization. New Age International. p. 324. ISBN 978-81-224-1198-0.
After consolidating his position, he turned against Graharipu, the Abhira chief of Saurashtra and his ally Laksha or Lakha, the ruler of Cutch
- ^ Sailendra Nath Sen (1 January 1999). Ancient Indian History and Civilization. New Age International. p. 344. ISBN 978-81-224-1198-0. Retrieved 3 January 2011.
The Abhiras began to rule in Southern and western Sourashtra from the second half of the 10th century A.D their capital was vamanshtali, modern vanthali nine miles west of Junagadh. They became very powerful during the reign of Graharipu who defeated the Saindhavas and the Chaulukyas.
- ^ Majumdar, Ramesh Chandra (1964). Ancient India. Motilal Banarsidass. p. 303.
The Abhiras grew very powerful during the reign of Graharipu in the middle of the 10th century A.D. He had his capital at Vāmanasthali, now represented by Abhiras the village Vanthali, 9 miles west of Junagadh.