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:::::"if you expect me to believe" - I don't expect you to believe anything. If you have concerns that I am using multiple accounts, take it to the appropriate notice board https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations Your discussion here is not productive, serves no purpose, and I see it as an attempt to start an argument with me. Please refrain from such accusations and inflammatory discussions outside of their proper venues. [[User:BrentNewland|BrentNewland]] ([[User talk:BrentNewland|talk]]) 21:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
:::::"if you expect me to believe" - I don't expect you to believe anything. If you have concerns that I am using multiple accounts, take it to the appropriate notice board https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations Your discussion here is not productive, serves no purpose, and I see it as an attempt to start an argument with me. Please refrain from such accusations and inflammatory discussions outside of their proper venues. [[User:BrentNewland|BrentNewland]] ([[User talk:BrentNewland|talk]]) 21:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
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::::::If this discussion gets a WP:Sockpuppet or WP:Meatpuppet off Wikipedia, then it is productive. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 22:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
::::::If this discussion gets a [[WP:Disruptive]] WP:Sockpuppet or WP:Meatpuppet off Wikipedia, then it is productive. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 22:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:::I'm not sure why I'm being brought up in this user talk page... but I might as well respond: In regards to the bad faith accusations from {{User|Flyer22}}: feel free to perform a [[WP:CheckUser]] on my account. You will see I have been editing wikipedia since 2006 on articles that interest me -- the latest [[Men's rights movement]] article being the most recent. Currently the [[men's rights movement]] subject is prominent and receiving significant public attention as of late -- so it's no surprise the article is receiving additional attention from newer editors like myself. Personally I should explain this article caught my attention after reading it due to its heavy use of Expressions of Doubt [[WP:ALLEGED]] and Undue focus [[WP:UNDUE]] on critiques vs. describing opinions within the movement "as they see it." As such, my concerns with the [[men's rights movement]] article are similar with {{User|BrentNewland}}, (as I'm sure the opinions of {{User|Flyer22}} are the same as other active editors on that page) -- but I should clarify that I differ from {{User|BrentNewland}} in that I see the resolution of this conflict coming from making the tone of [[men's rights movement]] article align better with the tone/balance of the [[feminism]] article, rather than vice versa. You will see that my efforts in this regard are already underway, and that during incidents of reverts I have appropriately explained my actions to promote consensus within the talk page. [[User:Spudst3r|Spudst3r]] ([[User talk:Spudst3r|talk]]) 21:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
:::I'm not sure why I'm being brought up in this user talk page... but I might as well respond: In regards to the bad faith accusations from {{User|Flyer22}}: feel free to perform a [[WP:CheckUser]] on my account. You will see I have been editing wikipedia since 2006 on articles that interest me -- the latest [[Men's rights movement]] article being the most recent. Currently the [[men's rights movement]] subject is prominent and receiving significant public attention as of late -- so it's no surprise the article is receiving additional attention from newer editors like myself. Personally I should explain this article caught my attention after reading it due to its heavy use of Expressions of Doubt [[WP:ALLEGED]] and Undue focus [[WP:UNDUE]] on critiques vs. describing opinions within the movement "as they see it." As such, my concerns with the [[men's rights movement]] article are similar with {{User|BrentNewland}}, (as I'm sure the opinions of {{User|Flyer22}} are the same as other active editors on that page) -- but I should clarify that I differ from {{User|BrentNewland}} in that I see the resolution of this conflict coming from making the tone of [[men's rights movement]] article align better with the tone/balance of the [[feminism]] article, rather than vice versa. You will see that my efforts in this regard are already underway, and that during incidents of reverts I have appropriately explained my actions to promote consensus within the talk page. [[User:Spudst3r|Spudst3r]] ([[User talk:Spudst3r|talk]]) 21:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
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::::[[User:Spudst3r|Spudst3r]], you call my opinion that you are related to the BrentNewland account bad-faith accusations; I call it common sense. Yes, your Spudst3r account has been registered with Wikipedia since 2006, and that account has edited Wikipedia sparingly since then. Like I stated above, it is relatively dormant. You are wasting your time trying to convince me that you are unrelated to the relatively dormant BrentNewland account. Notice that I mentioned WP:Sockpuppet and WP:Meatpuppet above. Binksternet and others have dealt with a lot of editors like you concerning the men's rights pages, and very experienced editors often know when a [[WP:Duck]] is a WP:Duck. The Spudst3r and BrentNewland accounts are not applying the templates or other tags precisely, and the pages I pointed to above show why the templates or other tags are not precise. Both accounts also show a huge disregard for [[WP:Due weight]]; do read it and its subsections carefully. The men's rights topic does not get equal weight; [[WP:Valid]] is clear about that. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 21:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
::::[[User:Spudst3r|Spudst3r]], you call my opinion that you are related to the BrentNewland account bad-faith accusations; I call it common sense. Yes, your Spudst3r account has been registered with Wikipedia since 2006, and that account has edited Wikipedia sparingly since then. Like I stated above, it is relatively dormant. You are wasting your time trying to convince me that you are unrelated to the relatively dormant BrentNewland account. Notice that I mentioned WP:Sockpuppet and WP:Meatpuppet above. Binksternet and others have dealt with a lot of editors like you concerning the men's rights pages, and very experienced editors often know when a [[WP:Duck]] is a WP:Duck. The Spudst3r and BrentNewland accounts are not applying the templates or other tags precisely, and the pages I pointed to above show why the templates or other tags are not precise. Both accounts also show a huge disregard for [[WP:Due weight]]; do read it and its subsections carefully. The men's rights topic does not get equal weight; [[WP:Valid]] is clear about that. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 21:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC) |
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::::In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Men%27s_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=646542408 this edit], |
::::In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Men%27s_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=646542408 this edit], BrentNewland stated, "Remove 'Expressions of doubt' which are only included to cast doubt on the claims of the Men's Rights Movement. This brings article more in line with article on Feminism, as far as neutrality is concerned. Wording is now neutral without changing intent." |
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::::Above, Spudst3r stated, "I should clarify that I differ from {{User|BrentNewland}} in that I see the resolution of this conflict coming from making the tone of [[men's rights movement]] article align better with the tone/balance of the [[feminism]] article, rather than vice versa." |
::::Above, Spudst3r stated, "I should clarify that I differ from {{User|BrentNewland}} in that I see the resolution of this conflict coming from making the tone of [[men's rights movement]] article align better with the tone/balance of the [[feminism]] article, rather than vice versa." |