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If you're wondering why an article was deleted, please read this page first. It should at least serve to clarify the situation, even if it doesn't give you an answer. I'm more than willing to answer, of course, but I'll assume that you've read it through.
I can now also be Emailed if you feel that that's a better way to do things. I can't say that I'm a convert to the idea just as yet, but we'll see how it goes. If you want to guarantee a fast response, please accompany your Email with a comment here (just something like "check your Emails" or "I've commented on the such-and-such by Email" should do the trick).
Where archiving is concerned, I'll archive all "dead" discussions when the page gets too long and leave "live" ones out for a while. That way we don't run the risk of having bits and pieces scattered everywhere.
Point taken.
You're right. There's never an excuse to make a personal attack against an individual editor. So let me ask you a question your record of communication demonstrates you'll appreciate: Why can't the Australians teach their sons not to be dicks? Much love, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 16:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
- This is now the second time this editor has referred to me personally as a "dick", and this particular instance was in the guise of an apology of sorts. Given that my initial edit summary was a vague attempt at humour, his responses seem out of proportion to say the least. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough. We Yanks iz (a) senzative abowt ower kimmand of Inglish and (b) too preocuppied with more important matters to appreciate any but the most unambiguous stabs at levity. I apologize for overreacting.—DCGeist (talk) 23:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
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- Indeed, I'm being charitable by not removing more of those citations. All that they demonstrate is people referring to the band very briefly as a prog act, which again only demonstrates that certain people believe it to be true. Mercifully, there was no attempt to re-insert the claim that the band plays "experimental" music, but even the idea that it plays "progressive" music is shaky. If we take bands such as Tull, ELP, Floyd, Yes and even Rush as being unquestionably prog acts and then we listen to 3's discography (as I forced myself to recently), we see precisely no similarities. One or two songs are comparatively long, but that doesn't make prog-rock by itself. What we see is moderately skilled alternative rock music with a pop sensibility. Yes, that's my opinion only, but until there's a source out there that can demonstrate where these similarities are, I'll stick to it thanks. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 03:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
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I did not add any thing improper to Kazutsugi Nami page or any other page. You must be mistaken about username etc....Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC).
Who are you really ?
BTW Are you Nami's lawyer ? Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC).
- Just a couple of examples of where you added unreferenced controversial material:
- here and here. There's also this edit, which is a bit more extreme. Each one of those edits made by you - or at least made by a person logged in as you - had the effect of adding unreferenced and controversial material to the article. Nami may ultimately be found guilty, but until that's the case, we can't say that he is. Consult the relevant policy guide for more information on this point, or ask me if you're unclear.
- I'm not "Nami's lawyer". I'm an editor on this website, and as a result I'm responsible at least in part for making sure that policies and guidelines are upheld. Moreover, I'm an admin here, too, which gives me added responsibilities in that and other areas. In other words, I've been around here long enough to know how the site and its policies work, and I'm happy to help you out if you're having difficulty as well. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- You also may want to be careful about edits such as this and edit summaries such as this in future, too. The idea behind Wikipedia is to try to edit calmly and avoid calling people names. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
You are very much mistaken
I did not add any controversial info to ANY page Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon Ascton (talk • contribs) 12:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Let's make it clear
I only added " which he used to fool tens of thousands of people, defrauding away more than US$ 1.4 billion. " because it is there on almost all papers...please read it.
I never added "and attempting to take over the world" phrase, it was already there. I might have retained it while editing but under no circumstance did I put it there...
Nevertheless, I think you are right.
As about the other edits I made recently there was nothing scandlous about them. I REVERTED the name of images on SIKH page because someone had mistakingingly changed them, not knowing the difference between general text in page and image names ( please read it again )
Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC).
- Close, but not quite. The links I've added (which we call "diffs") show - in red - precisely the changes that you made to the Nami article. So, in the first one, you've removed the term "allegedly" and argued in your edit summary that "that is beyond dispute". It is not "beyond dispute" at all. At present, Nami has only been accused of fooling these people. Yes, the evidence looks rather damning, but a court has not yet said "Nami fooled these people", so neither can we.
- In the second diff, you've added the claim that he "defrauded away" an amount of money. Again, a court has not said "Nami defrauded people of this amount of money", so neither can we. Until a court says that, it's not proven. The law and our policies are quite clear on the matter - until something is proven legally (rather than in the court of public opinion), it's an allegation and not a fact. Furthermore, when it is proven legally, we still need a reliable source to say that it was proven legally. In the same way as I can't go around claiming that you've done something nasty and illegal, neither can we write it about Nami or about any other living person.
- The third diff demonstrates the need to be careful when editing the articles relating to living people involved in controversial activities. The claim that Nami was trying to take over the world was not in the version you edited and was in the version you saved after you finished. There is also another diff in which your edit summary claims that you're removing a personal attack, but you end up inserting another one, so again be careful.
- The two other diffs I've pointed you to are different issues. Calling any other user "particularly dumb" as you did in the first of them is a personal attack, which is something editors are specifically cautioned to avoid. In the second one, the substance of your edit was very good indeed, but you referred to the previous editor as a "dumbhead", which is again a personal attack. Yes, the behaviour of other editors can be frustrating at times, but calling them names isn't a good idea.
- Hopefully this explains the position a bit more than it did before. Always remember that we have to be very careful when talking about living people - particularly those accused of crimes - and always remember to avoid personal attacks directed at other editors. That way, everyone will work happily together. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 13:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Reply
First of all let me apologize for being rude.
I am guilty of removing the word "allegedly"...Guess I was wrong. I apologize again.
But for the rest me explain...
When I saw this article for the first time it read :
Kazutsugi Nami (波和二, Nami Kazutsugi?) (b. 19 May 1933) is a Japanese businessman. He was arrested on February 4, 2009 on suspicion of orchestrating a massive investor fraud and attempting to take over the world.[1] He has invented the Enten currency which he plans to use when freed to wipe out the Japanese yen. Nami believes he is innocent. He's a sly little man
Also, kindly note the word "sly man" at end which I removed. Moreover the article had a "tag" telling that it had something to do with spaceflight, I , understandably, removed that, too. This was what I meant I said in the edit summary. Jon Ascton (talk) 14:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
New Edits at Nami Article
Have made new edit at Kazutsugi Nami Article...have a look...and let me know if it is ok with you ? Jon Ascton (talk) 18:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Looking good to me. I know it can be annoying not to be able to add things which seem self-evident into articles, but it's ultimately for the best. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 20:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
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Please do not keep reverting this article. What you are expressing is your point of view, and not an established fact. I read you comments on the talk page with interest but am not convinced by them. If you have a reference to support your claim then please provide it on the article's talk page. Blind reverting is not acceptable here and we work by consensus. The consensus is that it is a patter song. Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 10:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- No, what I wrote on the talk page is evidence. If there are criteria to make something a patter song, and this given song doesn't meet them, it's not a patter song. That's the way these things work. If you want it to be a patter song, you have two options. The first is to broaden the definition of the term so that it lets this (and presumably others) in, and the second is to demonstrate that it actually meets the definition as laid out already. Calling it "blind reverting" is false, since there is a clearly-articulated rationale behind it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, I had gotten an e-mail from one of Western Civ's fans asking why they don't have a wikipedia page. I remembered that there had been one at one point in time so I traced it back to you. I am not an active wiki user, so I do hope you forgive my lack of knowledge on how this works. I have read the reason for deletion and I have also read all of the criteria that must be met by a band to be considered notable. If I read the deletion log correctly I see that the reason for deletion was listed as "expired prod - borderline db-band" That said, I am including (as references) in this message links to their three published albums, a list of press garnered and links to some of their fan pages online. If you google the words "Western Civ" the band is the second and third return on google. I do believe that these elements are all examples of "Notability" [1] as Wikipedia defines it for music. Since the page "Western Civ" [2] is simply being used to redirect people to the "Western Culture" article at the moment, I do hope you will reestablish this page to it's original form, as a wiki for the band "Western Civ"
References: Link to Western Civ's published works: [www.cdbaby.com/all/westernciv ] Link to Western Civ's media press kit which includes 10 (of over 100) published reviews and articles about "Western Civ" as well as a partial list of FM stations that are playing Western Civ's music: www.sonicbids.com/westernciv
Links to Western Civ's websites: www.myspace.com/westernciv www.twitter.com/westernciv www.westerncivrock.com
Please let me know where to go from here. I'll be looking forward to speaking with you further.
Thank You, Lessaun (talk) 18:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC) manager, Western Civ <nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here<nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here</nowiki></nowiki>
- I'm hardly the most active user here these days either, but since you asked for a response it's the least I can do. Firstly, I'd point out that notability can and does evolve over time. A band may well not have been notable at the time the article was first added, but they may have become notable since then. If that's the case, there's no obstacle to an article being re-created.
- That said, we need to look at the criteria carefully. The golden rule, as you've probably seen, is that the band needs to have been mentioned in independent, verifiable sources. MySpace and Twitter pages, along with the band's main page, are not going to count here. Fan pages are a bit of a challenge too, since they're not the most independent of things. However, we're talking about some reviews and things as well, so we may still be in business.
- A quick skim of the reviews you've linked to suggests that they may qualify. Not being American myself, I can't speak for the scale of the newspapers etc mentioned, so we may still be in trouble if they're small local jobs.
- I'm not seeing any evidence of anything charting nationally or any massive tours, so we can ignore those parts of the criteria. The same goes for notable members.
- The fact that a number of radio stations play their music may also count. Again, I'll have to defer to someone who knows more on this topic than I do where the scale of these radio stations is concerned. I know that if I were to go for a drive here in Australia, I'd be able to choose from bigtime radio stations right the way through to local ones with not much range, so I'm hoping some of those listed are bigtime stations.
- Label-wise, we can probably agree they're not on a notable one.
- So, as for where we go from here, I'd say there are two options. The first is to re-create the article using the independent sources you have and hope for the best. The second is to wait longer and see what happens, particularly if the band continues along its merry way and becomes more notable. Frankly, I would be inclined to take the second option here, generally because you're the manager of the band and therefore have a bit of a vested interest in the article. I'm not saying you're lying or anything, of course, more just that it's better not to be connected in this way here.
- I'd also point out that the lack of a Wikipedia page is far from a terminal disease. Several of my favourite bands don't have pages, since they haven't yet cracked the bigtime (or the "bigenoughtime", if I can put it that way). By the looks of things, if Western Civ aren't there yet, they will be one day. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for responding. However, I am at a bit of a loss here still. The level of their notability is not really what I had questions about. There are many bands on wikipedia who have much less notability than Western Civ. The main thing I need is to know if you are personally capable of reinstating the Western Civ page that you deleted? I mentioned their notability to illustrate that they do indeed meet the requirements. I believe that you may have been mistaken in your assessment of the band's level of exposure, so to clarify I will give direct examples.
Only about 1.5% of Western Civ's fans are based in Australia so I would not expect you to know of the band personally, but they are doing well in the US. They have charted on the CMJ radio 200 charts (which is the #1 charting company in the US for the type of music Western Civ plays) and their last album stayed on the radio charts for over 6 weeks in the US. Just to list some of the nationwide major media outlets that have written about Western Civ we would need to include reviews from some of the largest newspapers in the USA including The Chicago Tribune (4 out of 5 stars), The Orlando Sentinel (4 out of 5 stars), The Baltimore Sun (4 out of 5 stars), The Sun Sentinel in Miami (4 out of 5 stars) as well as Magnet Magazine, Performer Magazine, Crawdaddy Magazine, Harp Magazine, CMJ Music News and others. Their most recent release "Shower The People You Love With Gold" was produced by Mitch Easter (Former Let's Active frontman and producer for REM, Pavement, Dinosaur Jr. and more.) Their tour history includes playing well known venues in New York City, Raleigh (NC), Chicago (IL), Austin (TX), St.Louis (MO), Muscle Shoals (AL), Cincinnati (OH), Ann Arbor (MI), Athens (GA) and so on... The radio play they have been getting in the US includes over 80+ FM stations all across the US and several outside of the US. Those 80+ FM stations consists of a variety of large, small and college radio stations.
The wiki page that had been posted under "Western Civ" originally was not created by me, so there is no conflict of interest in my request for it to be reinstated. Just out of curiosity, why did you need the wiki title Western Civ? It is still only being used as a redirect to the page "Western Culture." It would be much appreciated if you were to undelete the page. If you are not authorized to undelete it, please direct me to whom I need to speak with next. Like I mentioned before, I've never spent time on wikipedia as a contributor or even as a logged in user, so I am not certain of the intricacies involved in undeleting a page. But unless I am mistaken, the person who deleted the page is the person who can undo it. Am I correct? Thanks again for getting back to me.
Talk Soon, -Lessaun —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lessaun (talk • contribs) 20:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- The argument that "there are bands here with less notability than X" doesn't really hold water. An article subject stands or falls on its own notability, rather than that of similar subjects. If there are less notable bands with articles, you're welcome to list them for deletion.
- As for reinstating a page that's been deleted, the short answer is that yes, I (and any other administrator, for that matter) can definitely do that. The long answer, however, is that the original page would have been deleted because it didn't demonstrate notability at the time and in the way it was written. Reinstating that page will simply risk the same fate befalling it again. Far better, surely, to create the page afresh and provide it with better legs to stand on. Ultimately, you're going to be better off speaking with another administrator to get it recreated if you want to take that path, since I don't really play an active role here anymore.
- As far as the notability itself is concerned, I hasten to point out that what I gave you before was a very quick assessment of where I felt the band stood in relation to the criteria. You of course feel differently, and it may well be that someone in a better position to judge would agree with you. If that's the case, the ultimate test is to write the article and see what happens.
- To your claim that there is no conflict of interest, I still feel that there is one. The original page was written by someone else, but that page was deleted. You - who obviously are very close to the subject - are asking about getting it re-created (either in the same form that it was deleted in, or entirely afresh). That's a conflict of interest.
- The deletion, moreover, was not due to a "need" (on my part or anyone else's) for the page title. The deletion was done because the article as it was written at the time did not demonstrate notability in accordance with the criteria at the time. If the article as it would be written now demonstrates it in accordance with the criteria now, then there's no obstacle to having the article. That's the way it works, as I said earlier.
- If the title "Western Civ" redirects to the article on "Western Culture", clearly that's a decision that's been reached by someone (not me, I should add) who felt that that was a good thing for it to do. Not being American myself, I can't be sure about this, but I'm aware that many universities teach courses on what you and I might call "Western Culture", but which are often referred to as "Western Civ". Presumably, the redirect was created so that any students looking for an article on "Western Civ" to see what sorts of things their course would cover would end up in the right place, rather than reading about a rock group. That being the case, perhaps a better solution would be to create the article for the band as "Western Civ (band)", thus ensuring that people end up at the right place when reading about the band. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the page met all the requirements for notability at that time. That's why no one else had deleted it. (Their first album was released in 2005 and reviewed by major publications and played on radio in many US markets.) If it did not meet said requirements, in your opinion, then I would love for you to explain why in detail with examples. As per your statements, you are not American and not aware of the US publications and radio markets where the music industry is concerned. Thus making you a less than stellar source for making such decisions. I would recommend that in the future, you refrain from deleting articles when you are admittedly unfamiliar with the subject matter and thus the requirements for "notability" on the articles in that subject. The Western Civ article had not been deleted before you got to it because the other admins who had viewed it considered it to be viable. So I am not afraid of it being re-deleted. That is unless you are the one to do so.
To conclude our conversation on the matter: Will you reinstate the page at this point? If not I will go to another admin.
Thanks for your time, Lessaun (talk) 16:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- No, the page did not "[meet] all the requirements for notability at the time". If it had done, there would have been no "Prod" notice ("This page is proposed for deletion for the following reason") that had been there unchallenged for five days. If the page had demonstrated the notability of the subject, either the notice would not have been added or one of the other editors would have removed it, explaining how it actually met the criteria as set out. Neither event happened, which suggests that the notability (even the notability that the subject may have had at the time) was not conveyed in the article. Admittedly, you're asking me to recall the text on a page I deleted more than a year ago, so my recollection is more than a little hazy. I am, however, familiar with the processes here, and that's why I know that notability wasn't demonstrated. The fact that I personally deleted it was simply due to the fact that I was the one checking the "expired prods" (notices which had been on articles for 5 days or more) at the time.
- I would counter your recommendation with two points of my own. Firstly, my policy at the time I deleted the article was that if there was anything indicating possible notability, I passed the case onto someone closer to the topic. This indicates that there was no possible notability on the page as written. I would point out here, as a side-note, that it would be quite possible to write an article about the President of the USA without indicating his notability, despite the fact that he is patently a notable individual.
- Secondly, your comments are coming increasingly close to making personal attacks. It's one thing to point out that I am Australian - a fact I don't deny at all. It's quite another to draw the conclusion that because I'm Australian, I'm suddenly incapable of performing duties which the broader community of this website felt I was capable of performing, and from that to imply that I acted improperly. The fact that you are making such implications returns to my initial feeling that you have a vested interest in the article being present on Wikipedia. I have explained three times now what I did and why I did it, however you don't wish to accept my points.
- In answer to your question - no. I will not reinstate the page as it did not demonstrate notability as it was written. You're welcome to consult another admin, as indeed I suggested some time ago. Any other admin, however, will be equally concerned by your closeness to the subject and the fact that the article did not demonstrate notability last time. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 19:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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I've rejected your proposed deletion, because this is not an uncontroversial deletion - it's previously been to AFD - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of European exonyms. As that was a while ago, and consensus may have changed, please feel free to list it at WP:AFD. Regards. Claritas (talk) 08:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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Team 639 Page Deletion
Hey! I'm a current officer on Ithaca High School Code Red Robotics Team 639, and I was recently perusing our web presence. Unfortunately, I found that (quite a while ago, March 2007) our page was deleted. The given reason was proposed deletion. I can't fathom any reason for deleting our page, especially since we are a FIRST Robotics Team (not alone here on Wikipedia) and already have a web presence at team639.org. It may be that the page was vandalized and beyond hope of recovery. I assure you that we now have a full-time web team which can maintain the page. The question is, can it be recovered/undeleted? I've only created my account just now to send you this message, but I imagine the most convenient way is for you to post something to my user page. Thanks for your time, please get back to me. Amcnicoll (talk) 01:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Edit: Thanks, got your reply. I have found other teams with their own articles, but these tend to be more active internationally and what not than we are. Perhaps if we expand our volunteering and get more than a few articles in the local news, we'll give our own page another go. For the time being, it seems many other teams are appending a blurb to their high school's page... Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcnicoll (talk • contribs) 14:07, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Deletion for userifying
Hi
The version 1.0 bot has started working again, although the article alert bot has not, and I have just found that there were some articles deleted after 7 days.
Growing self-organizing map which falls under the perdue of the Robotics project.
Is there any chance you can tell me please if there was any content in there and if it can be Userified for me to try and include in other articles or to be rewritten? If so there is a page ready at User:Chaosdruid/sandbox7
thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for the correction, that was a genuine copy paste error. I am not yet familiar with all this talk page and discussion thing on Wiki and hence I request that please delete this entry if you find it in wrong place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amboeing747 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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The Signpost: 15 August 2011
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The Signpost: 22 August 2011
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The Signpost: 29 August 2011
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The Signpost: 05 September 2011
- News and notes: 24,000 votes later and community position on image filter still unclear; first index of editor satisfaction appears positive
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The Signpost: 12 September 2011
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The Signpost: 19 September 2011
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- Arbitration report: ArbCom narrowly rejects application to open new case
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The Signpost: 26 September 2011
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The Signpost: 10 October 2011
- Opinion essay: The conservatism of Wikimedians
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- In the news: Uproar over Italian shutdown, the varying reception of BLP mischief, and Wikipedia's doctor-evangelist
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The Signpost: 17 October 2011
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The Signpost: 24 October 2011
- From the editors: A call for contributors
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The Signpost: 31 October 2011
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The Signpost: 7 November2011
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The Signpost: 14 November 2011
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The Signpost: 21 November 2011
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The Signpost: 28 November 2011
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The Signpost: 05 December 2011
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The Signpost: 12 December 2011
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The Signpost: 19 December 2011
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The Signpost: 26 December 2011
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The Signpost: 02 January 2012
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The Signpost: 09 January 2012
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The Signpost: 16 January 2012
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The Signpost: 23 January 2012
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The Signpost: 30 January 2012
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The Signpost: 06 February 2012
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John Boardman Article
Hi. In 2004, why did you create an article on a unknown physics professor, entitled John Boardman in Wikipedia? Should all university professors regardless of their contributions be included in Wikipedia? Stevenmitchell (talk) 21:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- I can see you're trying to fight the same battle on the talk page for the article. Considering that the man made significant contributions to the game of Diplomacy, I felt at the time that the article was justified. As you've been told on the talk page, there are other contributions he's made in other fields (ones I'm not qualified to assess). Of course "all university professors" should not be included in Wikipedia, unless they are notable in some way - either within or without their academic fields. The fact that you haven't heard of an article subject doesn't mean that the article should not exist - otherwise this wouldn't be an encyclopedia, would it? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
MSU Interview
Dear BigHaz,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
- Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
- Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
- All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
- All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
- The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
Sincerely,
(Delivered by Kevin (talk) 00:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC) via AWB by request)
The Signpost: 13 February 2012
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Homage
Hello. Regarding the issue of whether to use a or an before the word homage, the site dictionary.com gives a specific example of this on the page that defines homage: "something done or given in acknowledgment or consideration of the worth of another: a Festschrift presented as an homage to a great teacher.". In some situations a is used before a word that starts with h (as on your user page...a historian) but in other situations an is the appropriate choice. This is reputable information, feel free to revert your edit on the Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid article. Great movie, by the way. Dk100 (talk) 04:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- I know what the word means, yes. That doesn't change my point. The rule, you'll find, is that if the "h" is pronounced, the article is "a". If the "h" is silent, the article is "an". Thus, I can be a historian and watch a hologram for an hour in a hotel eating a hot dog. The American mock-French pronunciation of "homage" is the equivalent of the Monty Python routine about "an hoop". In other words, the edit stands. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
The Signpost: 20 February 2012
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The Signpost: 05 March 2012
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The Signpost: 12 March 2012
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The Signpost: 19 March 2012
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The Signpost: 26 March 2012
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- Arbitration report: Race and intelligence review at evidence, article titles closed
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The Signpost: 02 April 2012
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The Signpost: 09 April 2012
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The Signpost: 16 April 2012
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The Signpost: 23 April 2012
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The Signpost: 30 April 2012
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The Signpost: 07 May 2012
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The Signpost: 14 May 2012
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The Signpost: 21 May 2012
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Trivial data on Eurovision articles
Hi BigHaz, It has been noted that you have reintroduced data that has been removed from ESC 2010; ESC 2011; and ESC 2012 articles, after a discussion took place to remove these details. Both CT Cooper and myself have pointed out to Bleubeatle (talk · contribs), that these sections were never accepted as standard sections at all - there were simply mass added by another user under the radar without any consensus, which there should be for something like this. If you choose to edit an article regularly you should be keeping an eye on what is going on the talk page, which is used to allow improvements to be made, and if multiple editors are repeatedly removing a section, that is usually a strong hint that there might be something that needs discussion. These sections have been badly formatted with various problems including inappropriate links in the section headings (discouraged in MOS:HEAD), a one entry table that could be in prose, no written explanation on what these tables mean, and most importantly, no sources. As an established user I'm sure you are aware that it is requirement per the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy that content added to articles is sourced if it is challenged or likely to be challenged, which this is, and the burden is on those adding or restoring such material to provide sources. Could you please self-revert your actions - thank you Wesley☀Mouse 12:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)