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:Yes, I am showing some frustration with a long-term disruptive editor. I appreciate your efforts to find a diplomatic solution for this. I ''want'' Andy to start treating his colleagues collegially, and I have mentioned this at least twice. [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 19:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC) |
:Yes, I am showing some frustration with a long-term disruptive editor. I appreciate your efforts to find a diplomatic solution for this. I ''want'' Andy to start treating his colleagues collegially, and I have mentioned this at least twice. [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 19:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC) |
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:: Thank you for your understanding, and I apologise for giving the impression that I was accusing you of edit-warring. All too often, I fail to express myself as accurately as I wished. It would be an excellent outcome if Andy were able to get on with doing what he's really good at, and could step away from these sort of confrontations. For what it's worth, having met Andy in real life, I found him remarkably genial and good-natured. I hope that with goodwill all round, he can get past these present difficulties. Cheers, --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 19:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC) |
:: Thank you for your understanding, and I apologise for giving the impression that I was accusing you of edit-warring. All too often, I fail to express myself as accurately as I wished. It would be an excellent outcome if Andy were able to get on with doing what he's really good at, and could step away from these sort of confrontations. For what it's worth, having met Andy in real life, I found him remarkably genial and good-natured. I hope that with goodwill all round, he can get past these present difficulties. Cheers, --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 19:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC) |
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Greetings, welcome to my talk page. Please leave me new messages at the bottom of the page; . I usually notice messages soon. I like to keep threads all in one place, so if you left a message here I will respond to it here; if I left you a message on your talk page I likely am watching it and will respond there.
Hi Antandrus, thanks for spotting the Grove pirates. I fixed this one and added a bit more.
Um, do you know your Austrian archdukes? A conundrum arouse for which I got stuck; it's on the talk page. Best wishes, Opus33 (talk) 17:12, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Opus! After a bit of digging I think it's Max III; read his article. Grove must have it wrong. I wish I had a big book on the House of Habsburg but don't. Anyhow he was in the right place (Innsbruck) at the right time. Antandrus (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, and this bit "...In 1595 he succeeded their uncle Ferdinand II, Archduke of Further Austria in his territories, including Tyrol, where he proved to be a solid proponent of the Counter-Reformation." would explain why he hired a composer of the Palestrina school rather than a progressive in the mold of Hans Leo Hassler. (But that's wiki-heresy since it's my original research!) Antandrus (talk) 02:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, Antandrus. I think you are right, but spotting two more references to Max II on Google books makes me cautious (are the sources citing each other, perpetuating an error?). So I just took out the link, pending further progress.
New Page Triage engagement strategy released
Hey guys!
I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox - okeyeswikimedia.org.
It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:53, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
IP sock of Nachetelig?
- 108.82.100.8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- Hi Antandrus, please refer to this trollish edit/edit summary, as the IP is stalking me again and labelling me as a vandal. Your advice? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- IP blocked for obvious reasons. Acroterion (talk) 19:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Whoa~! That was fast... thanks heap~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 19:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you; I'm not very attentive today. With this particular troll (as I'm sure you remember) watch for suspicious behavior from sockpuppets (example), and don't bother to ask a checkuser -- this guy loves to show off how easily he can "fool" us. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, all I can say is... as a child, he was abused~! Probably the reason why he is so anal about us two... eh? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 20:09, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
FA status in Piano music of Gabriel Fauré
Does this article deserve FA status? Please see this discussion. Best wishes, Gidip (talk) 19:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Uncanny. I was, at the exact moment you left this message, reading your comments there.
- Can't answer immediately; will require some looking. Antandrus (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Stars
Antandrus...you can self award this, but I wanted to give it to you anyway...I'm sorry if you're not having the fun you used to have...our best contributors such as you are oftentimes overlooked, ignored and unrecognized...but all around, you are arguably one of the finest Wikipedians...and I really do appreciate all your fine work!--MONGO 02:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- [/me is bent out of shape with envy of the handsome star, not to mention the pizza slice just below :] But Antandrus is appreciated, quite beyond his deserts I'm afraid! When do *I* get a barnstar for my selfless work to keep wikipedians aware of their failings and teach everybody a lesson? Whereas Antandrus… can people even see his silly subpage User:Antandrus/observations on Wikipedia behavior without {{insert instance of obsequious carry-on about how bloody marvellous it is}}? No they cannot! While my keen and forthright observations and useful wikignoming lie disregarded!! Bite!!! darwinbish BITE 14:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC).
- Well you obviously need adminship for at least ten million years, which is but a middling geologic time period. (Was that a cousin I found when I was taking photographs for the article I wrote on the Espada Formation?) I also owe you a pizza, but are they eatable to Darwinbishes, unless already inside tasty Wikipedians? Antandrus (talk) 01:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- A man-eating clam, was it? [/me considers creating a cool Tridacna gigas sock. The notion restores her good humour. ] Since I can swallow full-size users whole, as you know, and can also tunnel around inside a cupcake to eat the chocolate chips,[1] I should think there's little that's not eatable to me. Just as long as it's gourmet quality of its kind! The pizza slice looks very good. [Reproachfully :] Whereas the user I tried really wasn't. darwinbish BITE 14:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC).
Happy First Edit Day
- Thank you -- yep, eight years. When I first started editing there were no references, no footnotes, no categories, and this was the article featured on the main page that day. Wow -- that's a long time ago. Antandrus (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Those
platypiplatypodesplatypuses have been around a long time. Even longer than 8 years, hard as that is to believe. Like us other dinosaurs, they just keep on keeping on. Long may it continue. :) -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 01:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Those
- Best wishes from a younger living fossil. (Younger than the platypus, I mean, in case you or JackofOz think I was being rude.) I, too, remember when it was fun. During a personal Wikipedia renunciation, which you may remember helping me through, this was among the wisest perspectives it was ever my privilege to receive. I really believe the Wikipedia pioneers like you have shaped the world for the better by continuing to show us the way. --RobertG ♬ talk 21:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, yes: I remember that well. Too well, as I've thought about it many times since, and assumed that I'd have a similar experience if I joined again as a "newbie".
- Anyhow, thanks guys -- I've so far resisted the temptation to clear my watchlist. I'm still editing, I just don't have much enthusiasm at present. It may return. (More and more I check my watchlist to see that content I added six, seven years ago is either being tag-bombed, or just removed, for lacking footnotes -- and to provide them I'd have to go back to the library and check out a book again -- ach, the weariness of it.) The project has evolved. Adding slabs of new content isn't as easy as it was in those early years, and we all know that. There's still more to write (thanks Jack for the help with Obukhov last year) and plenty to make better, but it seems that ninety percent of all activity on the Wiki is people running about with rubber stamps, tweezers, or insecticide cans. And it's really become rather unfriendly. How quaint the idea of "Wikilove" now seems, in our current civility-optional environment. I don't think this is tragic or anything, we're watching the evolution of something which has never existed before. If you step back and look at the encyclopedia we all built, it isn't bad.
- Not only isn't it bad, but everyone uses it. It gives me a little thrill when I hear a radio announcer quote from an article I wrote. Has that happened to any of you yet? Our time here wasn't wasted. And isn't, if we carry on. Antandrus (talk) 02:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- Oh yes, I've often heard announcers quoting verbatim huge bleeding chunks of articles I started. Never any acknowledgment, mind you, but that's not what drives me. The fact that a particular sentence that took me weeks or months of neurotic and obdurate tweaking to get just exactly right is being read and being seen as good enough to be used and disseminated to the wider listening public, is what makes my day.
- I encourage you to shake off your disheartenment, Antandrus. The world at large has become a dangerous and insecure place, but there are places we can choose to live where we can be happy going about our daily activities and spreading our love to whomsoever we happen to encounter. Don't characterise the whole vast project as one thing or another thing, because nobody knows all of it and it just keeps on getting bigger. Just live in those parts of WP where you can make the daily differences for which you are rightly renowned, and which make you happy. Forget the rest. Unless you get back, not just as much as you put in, but actually more than you put in, you will burn yourself out. Being of service is not a duty we are obliged to shoulder, but a joy we choose to deserve. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 03:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- A year or so ago I had the interesting experience of reviewing a journal submission that plagiarized (as opposed to cited) a few Wikipedia articles to which I had been a major contributor. Guess I should have been flattered, but still...
Anyway, I share the feeling that the joy has gone out of this place. The main issue as I see it is that Wikipedia is not coming to terms with the fact that it is a maturing project. Most of the articles that most people care about have already been written, and most of those are pretty decent. So there are fewer opportunities for the everyday Joe to contribute. The project has also accreted its own bureaucracy with goals and priorities that do not necessarily coincide with those of the people on the line doing the actual work. I could go on but you've heard the song before. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- A year or so ago I had the interesting experience of reviewing a journal submission that plagiarized (as opposed to cited) a few Wikipedia articles to which I had been a major contributor. Guess I should have been flattered, but still...
(outdent) You made me wonder... and this is the featured article on the day of my first edit as a registered editor. KillerChihuahua?!? 05:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed -- here's the actual version as it appeared on the main page. Antandrus (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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Natalia Pushkina
Would you mind commenting on this edit? There seems to be a lot of confusion all over the place. I don't know about such things. Thanks Span (talk) 14:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Greetings -- I believe the anon is correct. If the 8 September date is accurate, in the 19th century one gets the Julian from the Gregorian by subtracting 12 days from the Gregorian calendar date. (See Gregorian_calendar#Difference_between_Gregorian_and_Julian_calendar_dates.) It gets confusing when someone's lifespan crosses the century line, like Rachmaninoff, but with Natalia Pushkina it should be clear. Antandrus (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Probably that would work. Another way is an inline caution such as <!-- old style date in the 19th century was 12 days before the new style date --> -- that works if we don't want to bother the reader, but just remind editors who may think the difference is 13 days. Antandrus (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Just commenting on the Rachmaninoff-type issue. There really should be no confusion. A person was born whenever they were born, and that doesn't change just because their life continues into the next century. There is a rule for converting Julian dates that occurred in the 19th century, which is to add 12 days to get to Gregorian. That rule applies to Rachmaninoff, born 20 March 1873 Julian = 1 April 1873 Gregorian. There is another rule for converting Julian dates that occurred in the 20th century, which is to add 13 days to get to Gregorian. That rule does not apply to Rachmaninoff, because he wasn't born in the 20th century. He gets the 19th-century 12-day rule.
I'm aware that various people have taken the view that the date should change when the centuries change. Rachmaninoff himself apparently celebrated his own birthday on 2 April (which would have been the correct date had he been born in the 20th century, except he wasn't) and that date also appears on his grave. But that date is simply wrong. Vladimir Nabokov was another case in point. He was born 10 April 1899 Julian = 22 April 1899 Gregorian. His birth date was often shown as 23 April 1899 in references published in the 20th century, so in Speak, Memory he went to the trouble of explaining why 23 April was wrong and 22 April was correct. This was despite the fact that he had deliberately celebrated it on 23 April and would continue to do so, because that meant he shared his birthday with William Shakespeare - except that's rubbish as we don't know when Willy boy was born at all. All we have is a baptism date. I'm surprised Nabokov didn't know that. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 23:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks -- I actually didn't know the conversion rule until I read about it to answer Span's question. Learned something new! (Which is, by the way, one of the things I love so much about Wikipedia.) Antandrus (talk) 23:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Ah yes, you spend most of your time in the Renaissance/Baroque period. But even so, the Gregorian calendar was instituted in October 1582 in Italy, Poland, Spain and Portugal, but not elsewhere till later, so it would be relevant to biogs of people born or died in the period spanning that date. Given that Russia didn't adopt it till 1918 and Greece not till 1923 (!), it's a subject that anyone writing about the dim past ought to be aware of, because it can get confusing when comparing sources that use different calendars for the same subjects. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 00:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
You're mentioned
Hi! You are mentioned in a post that will run on the Wikimedia Foundation blog this week describing some of the editors who signed up for HighBeam accounts and their motivations for doing so. I just wanted to let you know. If you'd rather not be mentioned, please respond below or on my talk page. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 18:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you -- appreciate your help with the Highbeam access! (I hope JSTOR is feeling generous enough to allow a bunch of us admittance to their database as well; I got there from the link on your talk page.) Antandrus (talk) 21:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
You have no sense of fun
Inherently funny topics should have funny articles, no ? --ERIC CARTMAN IS THE BOSS (talk) 01:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC) WHY YOU NO ANSWER ?!!!!!
- On another website, yes. If you step back and think about it for a moment, it should become obvious that such a thing is impossible here. You have to cite what you add. What you add has to be factual. This isn't a joke site; we are a repository of knowledge, not nonsense. If you went to a bank and instead of getting money from a teller, you got Monopoly money, and the tellers all laughed at you and shoved you out the door, would you be thankful to the bank for being a funny place rather than an entirely serious one? Antandrus (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, I get that. But no-one really needs to find out about mixed gender pre-wedding parties from Wikipedia. It's a retarded topic to have an article about, and it should be a funny article. It's already funny, talks about "getting shoved on the pavement" as a British activity. Why can't I make it better ?
- Also, I might just ban you. --ERIC CARTMAN IS THE BOSS (talk) 02:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Is that a threat? For your sake, I'd hope not because depending on your next statement, it could well be your last here on Wikipedia. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 10:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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parade magazine
hi, do you think this website (Parade (magazine)) would be a reliable source to add to List of modern dictators as a reference to the term "dictator"? you can see my edits of the page on its history. --58.165.38.201 (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Personally I would avoid Parade just because it has a tabloidesque reputation. I think it should be easy to find a reliable source that describes him as a dictator -- what else could he be? -- How about Foreign Policy Magazine (published by the Washington Post)? That's where Parade got their list anyway. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Here's a piece in the New York Times that describes Raul as a dictator (in the same line with Fidel). I'm sure there's more out there. Good luck, Antandrus (talk) 23:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
your sources are great, i have used them. thank you. --58.165.38.201 (talk) 05:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
This embarrassing piece of PR fluff is causing me new white hairs. I rewrote the article so it would be acceptable, but the editors involved (three, all of whom have done nothing but edit this article and add references to Bar-Niv in other articles) have taken deep umbrage. Now someone has anonymously restored the original claptrap.
Perhaps if you were to revert them, they would understand that it is not just me that finds this stuff inappropriate. Thanks, --Ravpapa (talk) 05:17, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
- I tend to agree. At least he's trying to cite. The sockpuppet is obvious. These are painful cases, because it always feels like a personal affront to have one's own article trimmed, but people need to understand that Wikipedia isn't a free promotional tool. Mr. Bar-Niv, I imagine you will be reading this too -- please have a look at our conflict of interest guidelines. It's much better to let other people write articles about you, providing input on the talk page as needed. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 05:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Reply to Antandrus Who is "he" in "At least he's trying to cite"? The false sockpuppet accusation was dismissed by Wiki investigators before you wrote the following: "The sockpuppet is obvious". You should be more careful with how fast and how blindly you agree with your friend ravpapa. I am beyond needing Wiki for my promotion, it won't add a penny to my pay, nor will it give me extra engagements which I can't oblige anyway. Yes, I am reading this too. I do and did let other people write articles about me, etc. I didn't initiate the article, nor was I involved in its preparation. Once it was published (I take it, with the consent of one of the experienced Wiki editors), all I did was correcting mistakes and putting things in the right order and under the right subjects. TY Rami Bar-Niv Barniv (talk) 21:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
- 1) "He" is whoever is writing the article. The author(s) (I believe there are two separate people) is attempting to cite according to our guidelines, which is good.
- 2) Sockpuppet investigations cannot prove much of anything, they can only suggest. I use my experience. "Magazine" and you appear to be the same person. Doesn't matter much, honestly, since you're editing the same article, and this policy applies whether it's one person or two.
- 3) Ravpapa asked for my help and I provided an opinion. If you think we are being unfair, start a section at the conflict of interest noticeboard to solicit a third opinion. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 21:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
- Please listen to me and let me be clear about this. I am not anonymous, I am the author of the Rami Bar-Niv wikipedia page! My work on Rami Bar Niv is not an embarrassing piece of fluff. Everything that is stated in the article is verifiable, and supported by the long list of references. My work is not claptrap. Your reference to sockpuppet is obscene and is not obvious, at least not to some of your own investigators. I am on this effort because I want to be and either you help me or you don't, but I certainly don't want you to get any more white hairs. I have no conflict of interest and everything has to go through me. So, Antandrus and Ravpappa, do we go forward or not? I am not using Wikipedia as a free promtional tool, and I will be the point of contact! I want my page restored. If you have questions, let me know. If you want to talk to personally, I can provide my phone number here in San Jose, California and my home address.
- Thank you , Joseph De AlejandroJoseph10741 (talk) 06:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
- WP:BLP. Everything needs an absolutely reliable source, and needs to conform to WP:NPOV.
- Another suggestion for all concerned: post at the conflict of interest noticeboard to get an unbiased set of eyes, if you want another opinion. To my eye -- and I've been around a long time and have seen a lot of articles on living people written by themselves or their friends -- the article has a strongly promotional tone, unlike what one would expect to find in an encyclopedia. The way forward is to write neutrally and briefly, citing major news outlets and peer-reviewed sources. Hope this helps, Antandrus (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
ANI
As a courtesy, I'm informing you that I mentioned you at ANI, where I criticised your edit to Template talk:Infobox classical composer. I hope that on reflection, you might agree with me that a more accurate summary of the closing admin's subsequent comments was indeed possible. --RexxS (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
- Your revision is fine. However, I do need to point out that I only made a single edit, which does not constitute edit warring; and the summation Andy objected to, while perhaps not the reason for the admin's action, is a fair summation of what actually happened (a TFD nomination with no notification of the Wikiproject that created the template).
- Yes, I am showing some frustration with a long-term disruptive editor. I appreciate your efforts to find a diplomatic solution for this. I want Andy to start treating his colleagues collegially, and I have mentioned this at least twice. Antandrus (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for your understanding, and I apologise for giving the impression that I was accusing you of edit-warring. All too often, I fail to express myself as accurately as I wished. It would be an excellent outcome if Andy were able to get on with doing what he's really good at, and could step away from these sort of confrontations. For what it's worth, having met Andy in real life, I found him remarkably genial and good-natured. I hope that with goodwill all round, he can get past these present difficulties. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 19:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Precious
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Thank you for placing a single composer in the context of Renaissance music, a single mass in the context of parody mass, and for watching a vast number of articles for accuracy, with a vision for the broader pespective, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC) |