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Angus, could you take a look at [[Talk:Wulfhere]] and give me an opinion on the map? It's going to be today's featured article later today, and you're my go-to person for A-S questions. (And any talk page watchers with an interest in Anglo-Saxon history, please chip in too.) Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC) |
Angus, could you take a look at [[Talk:Wulfhere]] and give me an opinion on the map? It's going to be today's featured article later today, and you're my go-to person for A-S questions. (And any talk page watchers with an interest in Anglo-Saxon history, please chip in too.) Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC) |
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I realize the spectacular possibility that the Picts constituted a small aristocracy (of peculiar custom?) and were distinct from the populations over whom they ruled. I would like to research this, and find or fashion somewhere to discuss it in Wikipedia. What is our evidence? DinDraithou (talk) 07:01, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Thegn vs thane
Hi Angus. Someone has proposed to move thegn to thane. Your input is much appreciated. Cavila (talk) 08:50, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
There was no consensus and most people argued that it should be renamed or kept. Please visit again the discussion.--Karljoos (talk) 21:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- "Consensus" and "most" are not always related. Wikipedia:Consensus states that "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale" and the Wikipedia:Overcategorization guideline (OCAT), whatever its flaws may be, is at some level that "wider scale" which needs to be kept in mind when weighing arguments and closing CfDs. OCAT is reasonably clear on award categories, and has some things to say about eponymous categories which can be more generally applicable. Given this context, the arguments to have kept the category would, I feel, have had to supply clear and compelling reasons why the guidance in OCAT was not relevant in this case. In my judgement they did not do this.
- If you do not find this explanation satisfactory, you may wish to follow the process outlined at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Best regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Deletion review for Category:Operalia
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Operalia. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Karljoos (talk) 22:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Trailers
Yes, I was involved in such a discussion w-a-a-y back, but I was on the receiving end of some expertise by a Wikipedian well-versed in the area. I don't know if there's ever been a WMF advisory or extensive discussion. I've uploaded a few still images from trailers in the past few years, but I believe I've brought them all to Wikipedia, rather than to Commons. That said, given my understanding of the issues, this should be a very fruitful resource field for expanding Commons. DCGeist (talk) 01:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Why did you delete Category:19th-century national presidents in Africa?
There was no WP:CON-- as I already pointed out to Johan-- and I quote.
- Keep/Expand : Alansohn, Carlaude, JohanSteyn123
- Delete/Merge : BrownHairedGirl, Good Olfactory , Vegaswikian
Please revert this or comment on your reasoning. Thank you. Carlaude:Talk 19:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- I am curious as to whether you have actually read WP:CONSENSUS? You appear to be counting votes and treating every comment as being of equal validity. Is that the case? Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes I have read it, and agree there are some occations where some votes are not truly valid, but I am not crazy I about your apparent hope that I can read your mind or I just think like you do. This is not even a comment on your reasoning, and I do not think that that was too much to ask of you. Why don't you just say what you mean?
- Considering you had the option of just "re-listing the discussion to gain consensus"-- I would say you need an actual reasons to just dismiss views that you disagree with. Carlaude:Talk 07:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- No clairvoyance is required. I'm happy to answer the question, but we do need to be speaking the same language. If I say consensus means what WP:CONSENSUS says it does, and you say it means counting all of the "votes", then we aren't likely to be communicating properly.
- I discounted Alansohn's comment for reasons which, I think, should be obvious to anyone who reads CfD. When his comments are right, it's on the stopped clock principle. If he's ever read the Categorisation or Overcategorisation pages, he must have decided that they are wrong and he is right. His comments are largely a waste of his time, and the time of whoever reads them.
- That this was part of a larger system is a reasonable argument, on the face of it. It does beg the question of whether the larger system is valid, something that wasn't entirely accepted. There was also the point raised that this was 'an "overall scheme" that is almost completely self-manufactured by one editor', something that wasn't addressed. So, yes, there's an argument here, but it is not accepted by all who saw it.
- The argument that this was unhelpful to readers and not especially meaningful was advanced. This wasn't refuted so far as I can see. Although there were questions raised, they were addressed more fully than those regarding the "larger scheme". The criticisms of this view didn't convince the last person to comment.
- JohanSteyn123's comment would have been germane had the only question, or even the main one, concerned the size of the categories. Although this formed part of the nomination, it did not, as it happened, form the basis of the debate. I entirely agree that the category was large enough to stand on its own and this question didn't have anything to do with the close.
- If I reduce the argument to the main points and who made them, we have: Alansohn missing the point entirely, as usual; JohanSteyn123 arguing about something that turned out not to be disputed after all; you arguing that the larger scheme should be respected; and three people who disagreed with you. There are not, as you suggested, three arguing for and three against. There are three against, one for, and two who aren't adding anything to the discussion, one because that's normal, and the other because, while the comments were valid, they were not in fact addressing the main question. When comments are made is also of some relevance: the last two comments were in favour of deletion, and the final one was from someone who had the chance to read all of the arguments. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I notice you've blocked FastilySock. Are you also going to start an RFC on User:Fastily proper? If you are, I'll back it. I've just made three comments that read like this on Images for Deletion:
- Daniel Christensen ( | contribs | uploads).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Use not stated. FASTILYsock(TALK) 04:22, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep and trout nominator. In this edit, Fastily removed this image from the article Television antenna, where it was serving to give a good illustration of a kind of television antenna. So the image was not orphaned, clearly encyclopedic, and its use was obvious. This is conduct unbecoming of an administrator. :-(
– uploaded by
I've also read a bit, and see he's done the same thing on multiple other articles, apparently mostly tracking one user's image uploads and removing them from wherever they may happen to be, and nominating them for deletion under artificial pretexts. I can't imagine more discouraging action towards someone just trying to help illustrate the Wikipedia. If he didn't have the mop, I'd be asking Fastily be banned as a vandal. Since he does, I imagine he's done something good for the Wikipedia before, but this is just horrible. --GRuban (talk) 19:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know your concerns. You're right. It is horrible. The kind of thinking that would lead someone to remove a free image from an article without replacing it with a "better" one and then nominate it for deletion as orphaned, unencyclopedic and use not stated (← that bit should be in 72-point blinking text) makes my head hurt when I try, and fail, to understand it. I really do expect a clear assurance that this will never happen again. It's not the umpteen messages, or even the less than frank nominations, although those are really unacceptable from an administrator. It's the whole idea of nominating free content which has a fairly obvious use or which could usefully be moved to Commons. Why would anyone do that? How does it help the project? It makes no sense at all to me. And unfortunately it isn't a first. Look at User:Ericci8996 last month, although that didn't blow up quite the same thankfully.
- As for an RfC, I am still undecided. I think I will wait and see what is said before I make my mind up. Best regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking care of some of this. I thought Damiens.rf was bad, but this is unreal. The attempt to delete free images with an untrue rationale just has me flummoxed. If you decide to file an RfC I'll happily certify. And did you notice that he unblocked his own sock? I'm guessing it was to clear an autoblock, but... sheesh. AniMate 01:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
PHG
Please see Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance#Neutrality issues. --Elonka 21:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Osraige
Now the pressure is on. I have added the Osraige to Template:Royal houses of Europe for being notable troublemakers. DinDraithou (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Cearbhall
Is there much than can be done with Cearbhall of Osraighe? Its quite a good article, as are a few other on his contempories, but are there any more sources left to use?
Sorry for not getting around to the Ua Conchobar articles. I've got waylaid with Gaelic-Irish medieval bios. I am proud to state that I have helped bring up the Medieval Gaels category to 941. I've also gone out of my way to write up and catagorise the same for Irish counties. Thus far the top three are Dublin (1244); Galway (1057); Cork (870). It just looked weird that we had so few from way back, and especially with purely Gaelic names.
I've also added substancially to the category Irish poets useing the above standards. Otherwise how are people looking up their county ever gonna hear about them?
All else is good. Hope to reach 1100 for Galway soon, and to eventually top Dublin. We'll need more from the midlands to balance us out. Fergananim (talk) 01:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Angus
What's the specific issue please? Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 20:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Angus. I have no clue why Elonka is reacting like this. The previous matter we had was over the Mongols and Jerusalem and Elonka finally recognized that the Mongols may have been in Jerusalem, while User:Srnec now confirms that "reliable sources say unequivocally that the Mongols were in Jerusalem" [1], which is quite a progress knowing how I was criticized for putting this fact forward. Now she is apparently threatening me for no specific reason other than contributing to that article. I'd be delighted if you could help.. Best regards Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 20:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not that sophisticated :-) old generation I guess, but e-mail works just fine. Best regards Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 20:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just never done it... any advice on how to work it out? Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 21:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hmmm, nothing in Gmail. Never mind... it's time to go to bed now. I wish Elonka would learn to relax a bit. Cheers Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 21:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- You might be interested [2] I think this is a total misrepresentation of facts. I think this is harassment. Cheers Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 06:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't had a chance to look at all of this, but there is some good advice, although sometimes hard to follow, which I have heard: Cunctando regitur mundus. Please send me an email and we can discuss this privately. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:32, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- E-mail sent Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 20:19, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Got it. Many thanks. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Since PHG is continuing to disrupt the GA nom (and has escalated to making personal attacks), I have filed an AE request to extend the topic ban, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Request concerning Per Honor et Gloria. As you are his mentor of record, I am letting you know in case you would like to comment. --Elonka 22:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Since the AE thread was not the proper venue, a request for the extension of the topic ban has been filed here. --Elonka 07:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Angus, will you please respond? As I was worried about, PHG is once again making coatrack articles. Timurid relations with Europe actually got on DYK, and today he just created Ruad expedition. This really has to stop. --Elonka 14:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- Angus since you've still been editing, could we get some kind of an update here? Do you at least have an idea when you believe you'll be making a statement? In the meantime, you may want to read PHG's latest contribution is now accusing Elonka of personal attacks and disruption. I had hoped your discussions could move toward resolving this issue, but PHG's stance seems to have worsened rather than improved. Shell babelfish 14:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
- I am puzzling over this still. I sent an email to CHL which I suggested he could pass on to the arbcom mailing list. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:32, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hey Angus, I hate to be a bother, but we're now running up on 22 days since the opening of this request with no comment from you. I'm sure its not a simple situation, but some kind of update would be appreciated since discussion is stalled waiting for PHG's mentor's take on the situation. Shell babelfish 08:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your RfA Support
Angusmclellan - Thanks for your participation and support in my recent successful RfA. Your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.--Mike Cline (talk) 09:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Alod
I came across the word 'alod' as a type of medieval tenure. It is not in Wiktionary, and in Wikipedia it redirects (for a reason I do not understand) to a comedy website called 'Something Awful'. I found in a Domesday glossary http://www.britainexpress.com/History/domesday-terms.htm that it means freehold land. I think it would be worth creating a (stub) article for it, but I am not sure how to create one when the word already redirects, and whether it belongs in Wikipedia or Wiktionary. Can you advise? Dudley Miles (talk) 18:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. I think alod may have been a more common early medieval spelling. Googling "alod" with "Domesday" gives 2000 hits compared with 1000 for "allod", and googling the spellings with "Anglo Saxon" gives a majority of 1000 to 850 for alod. I have added a reference to the Domesday spelling to the article on allodial title and changed the alod redirection page to a disambiguation one.Dudley Miles (talk) 13:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Proposal to re-name de Clare Article
It seems crazy to me - the whole idea. But whatever your opinion, would you please weigh in on this discussion? Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 15 The category is entitled Category: House of Clare. Thanks Mugginsx (talk) 21:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry I misunderstood the purpose of the discussion but I still think the major contributors have a right to give their opinion on anything to do with articles they have invested time and effort on. As another administrator stated, he was disappointed that we were not encouraged at the forum. Anyway, I always seem to be saying thanks, so I'll do it again. Thanks for getting involved. Mugginsx (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Angus
Wow! that's a great offer. Thank you so much! At present I am recovering from rotator cuff surgery ===soooo painful, consequently, I cannot do too much on Wiki except for a few minutes at a time, but I will take you up on your very generous offer! As I said on my talk page, I follow your work and I find it to be very scholarly. That's not flattery, just the truth! That's why I wanted you to put your opinion to that request. Now, I am going to retire, take my pain pill and hopefully enjoy a little time without pain! Thanks! Mugginsx (talk) 22:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Florence of Worcester to John of Worcester?
Hey there. I have come to realize after looking through Florence of Worcester and it redirected to John of Worcester I note that they are two people and this is noted in my sources where I note down Florence ([5], [6], [7] etc.) May I ask for the reason why Florence is redirected to John? I guess the obvious being that there is not enough to make an article out of Florence but I didn't think it would be usual for such a redirect to occur (since they are two different people), understandably they worked on the same text. Kind regards.Calaka (talk) 12:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Having snooped around a bit more I can see that this: [8] is similar to John's article although it doesn't look bad in of itself. Perhaps more info has arisen and both articles can be expanded to include more info about each individual?Calaka (talk) 12:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- As the article on John says, the current view is that it was he who wrote the Chronicon. It seemed (and seems) to me that there's no reason to have a separate article on Florence as the article on John covers him. I'm not sure that there's anything more can be said about Florence, but I'm not really an expert. If things do stay as they are, then the history of the two articles should be merged. Such a merge is one of the few processes that can't easily be undone, so it would probably be good to get some discussion of it beforehand. The best way to get more opinions is posting a discussion on the talk page (and maybe at Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle Ages too). Make sense? Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for comments and offer to help. Please see my talk page when you have time for a couple of examples of issues I would like advice about. Comment here or my page to suit you Jniech (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Nelson Antonio Denis (Photos)
Angus,
I noticed you assisted the Nelson Antonio Denis page by placing the appropriate OTRS Pending tag on top of a photo (the fourth photo).
Permissions have been sent to OTRS for all the other photos, but an editor keeps ignoring (and often removing) the OTRS Pending notice on them...then tagging them for deletion, as if the OTRS Pending notice had never existed.
Could you take a look at it, when you get a chance? Otherwise this situation will just continue.
Thank you,
KHamsun (talk) 09:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
de Clare
Due to many uncited statements in the article, I have restructured the introductory paragraph. Would you check it out when you get a chance? Thanks Mugginsx (talk) 14:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Final discussion for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
- Proposal to Close This RfC
- Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy
Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 02:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Request
Hello Angus, how are you? I see that you have been very busy. The thing is that I believe that there are several images whose problems have been taken care of at Wikipedia:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Images with problems and it wouldn't look right if I closed the discussions. Therefore I think that you could do the right thing with the following in the list: File:Rafael Carrion .jpg, File:Antonio S. Pedreira.JPG, File:DeVillard.jpg, File:Manuel Zeno Gandia.JPG, File:Mercedes Negron Munoz.JPG, File:Luis Llorens Torres.JPG and File:Corretjer.jpg. Take care. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:02, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Annals of Ulster citation template
Hi Angus! I was toying with the "accessdate" in the template, when all of a sudden I saw words I couldn't remember putting down, hehe. That was an odd experience, just for a sec there. You're quite right about the s.a./entry method, which is probably the most sensible thing to do, even if the specific references usually occur in the footnotes rather than the References/Primary sources section. Cavila (talk) 22:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
- Btw, now that I have your attention, maybe I ought to explain that I've been considering creating more of these auxiliary tools for sources that get frequently cited. It does not seem to be very common (yet) to build such templates (consistency of style being one possible issue), but if they make the life of an editor a little easier, why not? Any thoughts? Suggestions? Cavila (talk) 22:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. I am a hapless cut and paster and a hopeless typist. Anything that cuts down on my typngi mtsiakes is all to the good. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:31, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Angus. By the way, do you have smelling salts for Tharky? GoodDay (talk) 22:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
- Smelling salts? No, I rather think you were right the first time. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
- I lost my fight at the Mary I of Scotland article, now moved to Mary, Queen of Scots. The old status quo in me, has wore out. GoodDay (talk) 23:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Please give a reason for why you reverted File:Lillehammer 1994 Winter Olympics logo.svg for File:1994 wolympics logo.png, or start the deletion request. --Svgalbertian (talk) 00:49, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 45#SVG conversions and non-free content, again. The non-free content rationale on the SVG versions is plainly inaccurate on at least three counts: the entire logo is not being used; the logo is being misrepresented; the logo is inherently not low resolution. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- Please link to such discussions when making changes, perhaps add links to the talk pages of each file. --Svgalbertian (talk) 01:16, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- I take your point, but much as I'd like to say "Yes" I'd be lying if I did. Even if I did it tomorrow, I'd have forgotten it by the next time I came across one. You shouldn't read this anti-SVG-logo stuff as being a criticism of anyone involved. Anyone who has seen my efforts knows that I'm hopeless at anything graphical, whether it's on a computer or not. I am very appreciative of the skill and effort that went into these. If I knew where the best place to leave a note about not SVG-ing non-free stuff was, I'd do it, so as to save anyone from effectively wasting their valuable talents on something which really isn't worth doing. If you know where such a message should go, please do tell me. Regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- I figured that is why you made the edit, and I actually agree with you. I was just concerned that the lack of traceability to your edits would prevent getting the proper people involved, but now I can see that they are involved. As for the bigger problem, SVG images of logos should only come from official vector sources, e.g. PDFs from the company’s website. Even popular sites like brandsoftheworld.com often have the same user created content that should be avoided. Perhaps a new warning should be added to Category:Fairuse images that should be in SVG format. --Svgalbertian (talk) 02:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Three separate users now, (Feydey, you, me) have removed fair use images for depicting Selena from Selena discography. You cautioned User:AJona1992 about this [9]. Today, (first this, then this) he placed another fair use image File:SelenaLive!tour.jpg, lacking any rationale for the image to be there (failing WP:NFCC #10c) and as you noted in your warning to him failing WP:NFCC #8. I've removed the image, but this won't stop him. --Hammersoft (talk)
Bonjour!
Bonjour! Vous avez un nouveau message sur Wikipédia, L'encyclopédie libre. DinDraithou (talk) 06:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Feel free to rename this if it happens another is more popular in Scottish scholarship. DinDraithou (talk) 06:23, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
- So I've written about all I can confidently. The rest should be up to you and your Scottish colleagues here. I may try to mention Cathal mac Finguine. DinDraithou (talk) 14:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
- Fraser says House of Wrguist. I can't remember what, if anything, it may have been called elsewhere. I have the suspicion that the answer is "". Nicholas Evans might save the day! Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
- Oh good! I was worried my little obsession with posting notes on your talk page and getting no response might turn me crazy. I need to find something else to do. We had several feet of record-breaking snow not too long ago and I still feel whited out. DinDraithou (talk) 21:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom#Requested move
- I have reverted the closure. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
de Clare
There is currently a discussion as to when the coat of arms started to be used in the family and how it and if it should be displayed. Since you are well-read on the subject, perhaps you would care to join the discussion. Mugginsx (talk) 10:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Are the reference sections too long? Fergananim (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Moving Dublin around
Hi Angus, seems like administrative assistance is required here. Could you do take care of it? Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Glad to help. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
Went to Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange. Thanks for the information and the offer of help. It is rare to get such an offer and I appreciate it very much! Mugginsx (talk) 14:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Laudabiliter
Hi, I've been away for a bit; imho the controversy can be described as historical.Red Hurley (talk) 09:09, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know, ArbCom is moving this matter to the front-burner, and will likely consider some sort of motion in the near future. Cool Hand Luke 14:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Article title
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Article title. DrKiernan (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})
Have need your help
Hello!
I have create Shum Gora. Co-administrator of Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project have several picture of site sent from actual caretaker of site and wish to upload. I have spoke to him. I saying need to know with what license. May he upload or must caretaker who actually take picture? Can you recommend choice for license? They're English much better than mine, so not worry.
Thanking you! DinDraithou (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hello. A release of the pictures through WP:OTRS is simplest (even if it doesn't look like it). Anyone can upload them, just put the caretaker's name in as the author and after uploading add the template {{OTRS Pending}}. Then ask the caretaker to send an email something like the one at Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. The URL can be a link to the picture(s) on Wikipedia. The CC attribution/share-alike license ({{CC-BY-SA-3.0}}) is the most common one. So the email would look like:
- ===================================================
- I hereby affirm that I, (INSERT NAME HERE) am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of (INSERT URLs FOR THE PICTURES UPLOADED HERE).
- I agree to publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0".
- I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.
- I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be attributed to me.
- I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
- [SENDER'S NAME AND DETAILS] (to allow future verification of authenticity) <== NAME & ADDRESS
- [SENDER'S AUTHORITY] (Are you the copyright-holder, director, appointed representative of, etc.) <== COPYRIGHT-HOLDER
- [DATE] <== DATE
- ===================================================
- Does that make sense? Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Brian Boru. Ireland's greatest king?
Hi Angus, hope you don't mind me using you as my private book-reviewer... I'm considering buying Máire Ní Mhaonaigh book "Brian Boru. Ireland's greatest king?" - seems you've read it. Is it any good? Does it add useful information besides what Duffy writes in the ONDB article?
I hope the removal of Brunnhilde et al here wasn't too insensitive to the finer points of wikiguidelines btw... Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- It's a Tempus/Sutton/History Press/whatever-they-are-called-this-week book, so it is aimed at a wider audience than, for example, Downham's book. Not that it is a lightweight popular book, but it is a book and not a doctoral thesis turned into a book. She adds a fair bit of background and on-the-one-hand and on-the-other-hand to what's in Duffy's piece. For once the title is appropriate as she spends a lot of time and space on Brian's posthumous reputation. Her answer to the question posed in the title, as if you couldn't guess, is "probably". Is it absolutely unmissable? No, but it is quite a good book that will tell you a great deal about Brian although it doesn't go that far into the historical context.
- Poor Brunhilde! Angus McLellan (Talk) 02:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Laudabiliter
The debate itself is outdated, but some people might seek it out so IMHO better to have it in there - or maybe on a separate linked article? Lots of sources in wiki are outdated, see Creationism.Red Hurley (talk) 11:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Historical map of Ireland for Ireland 800–1169
I'm currently trying to expand/fix Ireland 800–1169, and I'm looking for a better map than File:Ireland_early_peoples_and_politics.gif showing "all" the various subdivisions/ people - the problem with the linked .gif file is that it's unreadable in all but full size. I left a request at the Graphics lab for for fixing the gif-map, but I was wondering if you know of any existing maps here - if not as detailed then at least indicating the major peoples.
Any other input to this project I'm undertaking is very much welcome - no rush, I'll probably be stuck with this for the next year or so :) Finn Rindahl (talk) 15:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Angus, forget that map thingy - not really needed pluss I've had a look around and we do not have a better map with this amount of detail, and reducing the amount of detail isn't really a good idea. Are you still using the same e-mail address as half a year ago? If you do, forget about the question I asked you per mail a while ago as well - someone else has provided me with what I asked about. Hope all is well with you, best regards Finn Rindahl (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Please reverse the deletion, and restore a larger version -- if not the previous version, then at least one large enough to compare contrast and appreciate the different faces of the different characters.
As discussed at WT:NFC, and on the file talk page, the reduced version has been reduced too far, it now no longer achieves the purpose intended. Jheald (talk) 09:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- You noted at File talk:Asterix - Cast.png that deletion review had reversed such decisions in the past. A solution suggests itself. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Motions regarding Per Honor et Gloria
Per motions at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment:
1) PHG's mentorship is renewed
- For the next year:
- Per Honor et Gloria (talk · contribs) is required to use sources that are in English and widely available.
- Per Honor et Gloria may also use sources in French that are widely available—if a special language mentor fluent in French is appointed. The special language mentors selected must be approved by the Arbitration Committee. Mentors shall ensure that Wikipedia's verifiability policy on foreign language sources is followed—that quality English sources and reliably-published translations will be used in preference to foreign language sources and original translations. When Per Honor et Gloria uses sources in languages other than English, he is required to notify his mentor of their use.
- and
- Per Honor et Gloria is required to use a mentor to assist with sourcing the articles that he edits. The mentors selected must be approved by the Arbitration Committee. In case of doubt raised by another user in respect of a source, citation, or translation provided by Per Honor et Gloria, the mentors' views shall be followed instead of those of Per Honor et Gloria.
- Angusmclellan (talk · contribs) is thanked by the committee for serving admirably as PHG's mentor, and it is hoped that he will continue to serve in that capacity.
2) PHG's topic ban is renewed
- ArbCom renews the topic ban from the PHG arbitration. Per Honor et Gloria (talk · contribs) is prohibited from editing articles relating to the Mongol Empire, the Crusades, intersections between Crusader states and the Mongol Empire, and Hellenistic India—all broadly defined. This topic ban will last for a period of one year. He is permitted to make suggestions on talk pages, provided that he interacts with other editors in a civil fashion.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Help please
Hi. Could you have a look at this file when you have a minute please? The file was nominated for deletion on 10 March; the issue has dragged on for 21 days now - well over the 7 days recommended. Some one closed the discussion as 'Keep', but as it was a non-admin closure some one is not accepting that decision. If you could help out by looking at the discussion and making a decision that would be very helpful. Thanks in advance. Jack1956 (talk) 18:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
The file File:Chinese_Division_Table.png was nominated for deletion as it was replaced with wikitext in the article Suanpan. After the file was nominated for deletion, an editor User:Nanami Kamimura added the image to the article Soroban. We have discussed this edit and come to the conclusion that wikitext would be better than the image as was done on Suanpan. However, we later reached a newer consensus that the wikitext should not be included on Soroban because Japanese don't use the table in question. So now that the image has no use and has been replaced with wikitext in the only article it originally resided in per Template:ShouldBeText, should we reconsider its deletion eligibility? Chrismiceli (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
"British Isles" question
Angus, sorry to bother you with this but I figured it's something you would know. I'm aware that there are editors who regard "British Isles" as an offensive term, but as far as I'm aware this is a minority opinion. I know there have been multiple Arbcom discussions of Ireland, including related nomenclature; is there any ruling on the use of "British Isles"? My question is prompted by a recent edit to Cnut the Great, changing "British Isles" to "Britain and Ireland". In most cases that's probably fine, but I wouldn't like to see the term "British Isles" rooted out from every single article via this substitution. Any guidance you can point me at from Arbcom (or your own thoughts on the topic) would be very helpful. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 11:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, no, unfortunately, there's no helpful guidance. There is the failed/rejected Wikipedia:British Isles proposal. And the moribund Wikipedia:British Isles Terminology task force. But that's probably it. There are arbitration cases which touched on the matter, the famine one mentions the dispute for example, but there's no remedy that I know of. As you say, in some cases "[Great] Britain and Ireland" conveys the same meaning, or even a more precise one, but there are lots of cases where "British Isles" (all of them, including the littler ones) is what's wanted. As it happened, the change has been reverted. The MOPE edit summaries usually end up attracting unfavourable attention. If you happen to see any problems in this regard, please do let me know. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
- Can't say I'm too surprised. At least I learned a new acronym; "MOPE" is a good one. Reading the rejected proposals did at least give me a sense for when "British Isles" is likely to be a good choice. I'm getting mildly interested in some of the prehistoric Britain articles, and if I end up editing them it seems likely it would be useful as it is a geographical, rather than political, term. Thanks for the help and the offer of more help; I'll call on you if I need advice. Mike Christie (talk) 23:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Sechnall, Secundinus
Hi Angus, sorry to bother you again, but I'd like to submit a request at WP:RM, which is to rename a saint who's been moved relatively recently to his modern Irish name "Saint Seachnall". In secondary literature, he's no doubt commonly referred to as either Secundinus or Sechnall, but I can't decide which is preferable. Any suggestions? Cavila (talk) 12:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
- I've only found a mention in a couple of books: Mac Shamhrain's Island of Saint Patrick uses Sechnall; the RIA history and Ireland before the Normans use Secundinus. Neither the Oxford nor Penguin dictionaries of Saints have an entry, neither does the index to Byrne's Irish Kings and High Kings, which seems odd. I'll have a look at some others over the weekend. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
- Also Secundinus in Ó Cróinín's Early Medieval Ireland. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- And in Charles-Edwards' Early Christian Ireland, so together with A New History of Ireland that's already three standard works of fairly recent date. It may still be a close race but the more material I dig up (Dumville, Ludwig Bieler, etc.), the more I'm inclined to think that his native name "Secundinus" is a tad more common (it's possible, of course, that things depend a little on the subject at hand, the historical personage or the later Patrician tradition, but any such discussion would have to deal with roughly the same source material and the same political phenomena). Anyhow, I first need to decide on other things before I go ahead with this. An alternative option would be to merge the articles on Auxilius and Secundinus into the stub for poor old Palladius, but that would require more work than I have the time for right now (plus I really need to sort my priorities, Wikipedia-wise, having abandoned this and promised to work on this). Tbc I guess. Cavila (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- Walsh's A New Dictionary of Saints: East and West has him Secundinus (p. 537). Ealdgyth - Talk 15:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks (belatedly). I've gone ahead (also belatedly) and proposed to have the article moved to "Secundinus". Cavila (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
- Walsh's A New Dictionary of Saints: East and West has him Secundinus (p. 537). Ealdgyth - Talk 15:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
File:Grand slam bomb.jpg
The "description" field on Wikipedia says where I got File:Grand slam bomb.jpg from: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Grand_slam.jpg so I if you want to trace it further you will need to ask there. -- PBS (talk) 22:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Not ONE-WAY
Thanks for dropping in. Actually, here is the related guideline: "Fringe theories should be mentioned in the text of other articles only if independent reliable sources connect the topics in a serious and prominent way." The full guideline is here: [[10]]
In regards to the edits in question, I have mentioned to Tom that he may be tunnel-visioning on a very narrow definition of the one-way guideline. As you can see from the quote above "No mention" is not the case. (It's not as if I have gone through all 37 (38?) Shakespeare Plays and inserted a story about Oxford that Oxfordians believe is connected to the play in question. THAT would be abuse of the one-way guideline.) What we have here are properly referenced edits that do indeed have a factual connection to the topics at hand:
- In the case of the Chronology article, there are numerous mainstream references to the chronology and how it affects the authorship issue (I have supplied 2!), as well as the fact that there has always been even greater debate within Stratfordian circles regarding so called "early" or "late" plays. The connection is clear, does not create undue weight or a coatrack.
- It's an obvious connection to be made: the article speculates on who the author writing under the pen-name "Pasquill" actually was, it mentions several candidates including newer scholarship, and one of those candidates just also happens to be the leading alternate candidate for the works of Shakespeare. The additions hardly create undue weight, nor the appearance of a wp:coatrack. The one-way restriction just does not apply.
In any case, yes a third (or fourth) opinion never hurts! Thanks again. Smatprt (talk) 18:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Your closing comment, "FoP applies", ignores that this is not a permanent structure, which is required and was mentioned in the discussion. Why then close without commenting on this? Regards Hekerui (talk) 20:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- In what respect is it not permanent? Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:24, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- It's an exhibition, not a permanent fixture, this is why PhilKnight reverted his earlier close. Hekerui (talk) 20:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- It would have been helpful had someone left a note to that effect. I spent some time pondering whether it was in a "public place" (since the photograph seems to be taken in the open air in natural light I assumed that it was), but little considering its permanence. Not none though. I did check the Von der Schulenburg Stiftung site and couldn't find any exhibition mentioned at the Jewish Museum. Oh well, I'll delete it. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- It's an exhibition, not a permanent fixture, this is why PhilKnight reverted his earlier close. Hekerui (talk) 20:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Concerning Dirk Jan Struik's photograph
I have now adjusted the copyright statement of the above-mentioned photograph, whereby its replicate on the Commons will have to be removed. My earlier copyright statement dated from a time when I was not very familiar with copyright statements: since I have a personal copy of the KNAW report from which I have taken the photograph, and since I had made the photograph in its present form myself, at the time I believed that these made me the copyright holder of the photograph. Incidentally, KNAW allows use of its published material provided that they are properly cited, which is the case here. --BF 22:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- You are most welcome! I also thank you for your kind response. --BF 23:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Deletion review as comments have been addressed
Deletion review for Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 April 13#File:Chinese Division Table.png
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 April 13#File:Chinese Division Table.png. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Chrismiceli (talk) 01:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Lim Biow Chuan
I've found credible sources for this wiki entry. They are from SPH Stomp and Channelnewsasia. Both are reputable Singapore media. The other is from Malaysian Star Newspaper, one of the main English newspaper in Malaysia. Hope it's acceptable Ahnan (talk) 16:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- Better sourcing fixes much of the problem, but please also look at the "Criticism and praise" section of the WP:BLP policy page. In short, "Controversy" or "Criticism" sections are often a problem, especially when combined with issues of "undue weight" (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight. The question - I have no idea as to the answer - would be whether this event is really significant in Lim's life. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- It really depends on how widely reported it was, and for how long. The Neo thing seems to be set to run for a while, but coverage of Lim's foot-in-mouth problems seem to have died out. I can't speak to Singaporean politicians, but the ones here are forever saying stupid things which get in the paper for a day or two and are then forgotten. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
New request
[11] Best regards Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 20:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- I am not at all sure that this is a good idea. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Recent revert
Hi. I just left this at the article but wanted to leave it hear as well: "I need to point out to Angusmclellan that according to your edit summary, you referred to "adding" the material. This material has been in the article for quite some time and was never challenged or controversial. What is going on here is the deletion of consensus material. You also are under the impression that the references are "anti-Stratfordian". This is incorrect. The sources are all independent and all mainstream, which brings them into compliance with the requirements. I believe I am following the policy correctly." I am assuming good faith here and I was hoping that you would see that since you were mistaken about this, and were not aware that material had been in the long time "consensus version" of the article, that you would see that your edit [[12]] was inappropriate. Would you consider self-reverting and letting the discussion come to a resolution as to whether it is best to leave, improve or delete the material in question? Smatprt (talk) 02:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as a "consensus version" of a non-FA article. Tom Reedy (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, it has been challenged now, no? And consensus can change, so they say. The trouble with making a dispute visible, in my experience anyway, is that is more likely to attract people who disagree with you than not. Those who agree will just nod and carry on. Those who disagree will probably head on over to make their disagreement known by word or deed. As you saw. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree! Tom - please see [[13]]. This is what I was referring to. When an edit is made and is not challenged, it represents the new consensus. Of course it can be challenged later with an attempt to build a new consensus. But right now there are 3 editors arguing for deletion and 3 editors arguing for keeping the status quo. Obviously, there is nothing even approaching a consensus to make this change (in the case, the deletion being proposed). As far as Tom's "There is no such thing as a "consensus version" of a non-FA article" sometimes I have to wonder if you just make this stuff up!. Smatprt (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- Unless you think a consensus changes every minute, my statement stands. And you need to read that entire guide all the way down, especially this: "Edit wars, such as repeatedly inserting the same content when other contributors are rejecting it, lead to page protection and suspension of your ability to edit rather than improvements to the page."
- And one comment from two uninvolved editors does not equal "3 editors arguing for deletion and 3 editors arguing for keeping the status quo". Tom Reedy (talk) 14:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Accidental deletion
I've reinserted sections etc on Roman Catholic Diocese of Ossory, which I'm sure you accidentally deleted them when edited the history section. :) Scrivener-uki (talk) 17:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- Good catch. Something weird happened here. Thanks very much. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Broun, "Alba", p. 258, note 95
Hi Angus, you just added a ref to this at Picts, I can't seem to find it in the listed references. Could you add it please, best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 21:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'll send you a copy. It's thrilling stuff. OK, maybe not. I still didn't send you those post-Brian kings. Apologies! I'll get that done shortly. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- Never mind those post Clontarf guys - you probably missed my post above on this page somewhere but I've found myself a new dealer, so it's been taken care of. All the best, Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- Lucky you! Cavila has much better sources than me. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
- Never mind those post Clontarf guys - you probably missed my post above on this page somewhere but I've found myself a new dealer, so it's been taken care of. All the best, Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Chicago montage image
Why did you remove this image? All of the images were free-use! -- mcshadypl TC 15:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
- Seriously, you never even discussed this on the article's Talk page. All of the images were free-use, and you didn't even give us an opportunity to defend the fact. -- mcshadypl TC 15:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
- Hello. Unfortunately it wasn't a free image. There was a discussion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2010 March 14#File:CityChicagoMontage.jpg. It included File:Crown fountain.jpg, but freedom of panorama in the United States (see commons:Commons:Freedom of panorama#United States) doesn't apply to artworks, only buildings, so that that picture wasn't free and neither was the collage. A free collage could be made replacing the Crown Fountain with something else, or just missing it out, which seems to be what has been done. Hope this makes sense, Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Wulfhere -- opinion needed
Angus, could you take a look at Talk:Wulfhere and give me an opinion on the map? It's going to be today's featured article later today, and you're my go-to person for A-S questions. (And any talk page watchers with an interest in Anglo-Saxon history, please chip in too.) Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 10:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Request
[14] Per Honor et Gloria ✍ 13:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)