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:If you consider advice to stop making things worse for yourself as 'intimidation' I suggest you consider what writing bigoted personal attacks on journalists looks like. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump#top|talk]]) 21:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC) |
:If you consider advice to stop making things worse for yourself as 'intimidation' I suggest you consider what writing bigoted personal attacks on journalists looks like. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump#top|talk]]) 21:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::I am afraid you response shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Once again I ask you stop giving me "advices" in '''edit summaries'''. It violates guidelines for writing '''edit summaries'''. I consider calling my comment "bigoted personal attack" a PA against me. On a side note, if I feel as reading your response or responding to it, I will, please to not add talkback templates to my talk page. Please have a nice day.--[[User:Mbz1|Mbz1]] ([[User talk:Mbz1|talk]]) 21:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC) |
::I am afraid you response shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Once again I ask you stop giving me "advices" in '''edit summaries'''. It violates guidelines for writing '''edit summaries'''. I consider calling my comment "bigoted personal attack" a PA against me. On a side note, if I feel as reading your response or responding to it, I will, please to not add talkback templates to my talk page. Please have a nice day.--[[User:Mbz1|Mbz1]] ([[User talk:Mbz1|talk]]) 21:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::You can consider my remarks about you however you like. Your comments on the article talk page about the Palestinian journalist were a gross violation of Wikipedia policy, so I'd suggest you shut the **** up. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump#top|talk]]) 21:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC) |
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The search goes on, and some things I have found
Hi, Andy. I should have supposed you were British for your specialty is to bother Argentinians. The book was not what I expected, but I'm searching for sources all the time. I give you one here, where it provides information and some statistics on people who self-identified as "argentinos blancos". As our relationship is in such good terms, I won't help you with the language difference, find yourself a translator. Ah BTW, time runs the same direction here in the southern hemisphere, which now happens to be much warmer than yours.--Pablozeta (talk) 06:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, on the subject of 'bothering Argentines' I was one of the minority at the time of the Malvinas/Falklands nonsense to oppose the entire thing, on the basis that it suited the ruling elite on both sides of the Atlantic to stir up trouble and divert the proles from domestic concerns. Still, you mustn't let awkward facts get in the way of convenient stereotypes, must you? AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
It is good to know that we have at least certain opinions in common. Anyway, my opinion took shape years after the event, for I was only eleven when the War broke out -I'm forty now-. You must be at least 15 years older than me. Did you take a look at the source I showed you?--Pablozeta (talk) 11:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Infobox deletion
Dear Sir:
Please stop deleting the infobox from the "White Argentine" article. I've noticed that your beef is only with white people from Argentina, and not, for instance, white Brazilians, White Chileans, White Americans, etc. Your believing that the group does not exist is merely subjective, and constitutes patent nonsense (much like my wishing that grumps and curmudgeos - as you proudly call yourself - did not exist either). There's a very good rule against that.
As always, live...and let live.
Take care, 98.166.201.254 (talk) 19:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Read WP:V, WP:SYN, WP:RS and WP:BLP, and then debate the issue on the article talk page. Until you provide reliable evidence that "White Argentine" is an ethnicity widely sell-assigned by a significant proportion of the supposed members of such an alleged 'ethnicity', I will continue to delete any infobox that suggests it is, as a violation of Wikipedia policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Andy:
- As you know, many academic texts wtitten outside the United States will interchange the word "white" for "European", and all the example provided, if you bother to read them, deal with the central role Europeans played in the Argentine identity. Your claims that this well-referenced article violates reliability and verifiability so much that its very existence is unwarranted is analogous to the flat earth paradox said to have, at least once, been used by an editor or two to disrupt Wikipedia.
- You insist on playing the devil's advocate with this particular group (and not with articles on White Brazilians, White Cubans, or White South Africans, for instance), and seem to think that, by attrition only, everyone else will simply give up. Just remember that the White Argentine article will not be deleted just as no similar article should be, however biased one thinks it may or may not be. I invite you to try the same chicanery on articles dealing with other white Latin Americans (God help you!).
- If this is aproblem of semantics, I might support you in moving the article to "European Argentine" (pending consensus), but make no mistake: This article will remain unless and until all entries on the white communities elsewhere are deleted, and it will continue to have an illustrated, referenced infobox such as what you might see for any similar entry pertaining to anywhere else in the world. As you are the one pushing for its deletion, it is you who should provide well-sourced, compelling reasons to do so.
- This notwithstanding, I look forward to the chance to work with you at some other opportunity.
- All the best, Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Since you have completely ignored my central point, that you must find evidence for a self-asserted 'white Argentine' ethnicity, and not addressed the very important point regarding WP:BLP violations at all, I am now going to remove the disputed infobox. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on White Argentine. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing.
- Cordially, Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Utter hypocrisy. Your last revert has an edit summary that makes no attempt whatsoever to discuss the issues regarding WP:BLP and WP:V I have raised. If I didn't consider it infantile behaviour to post an edit-warring template on the page of someone with whom I was already debating, I'd reply in kind. I'll clearly have to raise the gross violation of WP:BLP elsewhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#White_Argentine. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Further to this, can you clarify whether the posting made by IP 98.166.201.254 was made by you? I note that this IP editor frequently contributes to similar articles to you, and would point out that if it is you, you appear to have already violated the 3RR rule. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
BLP issue of interest to you
Hi Andy. In the past you've expressed significant concern about applying Jewish ethnicity/religion categories to articles, citing WP:BLP as the issue. A similar issue has arisen at Esther Shapira; it has also been raised here on BLP/N. Perhaps you'd like to look at it? Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry
Sorry if I interrupt you, but proselytizing is allowed on Wikipedia? The text is in Spanish [1], from Pablozeta to different Spaniards users [2], calling them to form a bloc to request a change in policy to allow the articles on "white" people Letina America (in Argentina, Mexico and Colombia), have the status ethnic group.--GiovBag (talk) 23:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Go Troll Yourself
"Go troll elsewhere" you say to me on an article talk page. Same back to you + I'll call you a Wikipedia:Ownership of articles offender too. Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 01:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks and no problem. I apologized to Errant[3] last week. Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 04:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
In appreciation of everything
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You have been identified as a valued contributor and your efforts are appreciated. We are honored to present you with the Valued Contributor Award and we thank you for donating your time, expertise and effort to Wikipedia. Keep up the good work. Thanks. (more details) |
Just wanted to say thank for a bunch of stuff you've done all accross Wikipedia. I appreciate you being here, helping and being the voice of reason in many different places. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H3O+) 11:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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And another one
Valued Contributor Award | ||
You have been identified as a valued contributor and your efforts are appreciated. We are honored to present you with the Valued Contributor Award and we thank you for donating your time, expertise and effort to Wikipedia. Keep up the good work. Thanks. (more details) |
I assume you know that I hand these out every time I am thankful that a person is here at Wikipedia, right? So here is another one. You really do make Wikipedia a better place and I hope you remian a contributor for many years. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H3O+) 02:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- So presumably if I thank you for this one, I get another one? This could get complicated... AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have a vision... I see Andy's talk page completely covered with thank you messages and awards. Just kidding. I often enjoy reading what you have to say at different places and completely agree with your sentiments. I think sometimes the situations here at Wikipedia require somebody to be blunt and to the point and you fulfill that role perfectly. Therefore, you are an important part of the community. I do beieve there is a need for many different types of personalities here at Wikipedia in order to have a well-balanced encyclopedia. My personality type is often far too verbose and so my message gets lost in all my words (like now), so I am glad to have you here and hope you keep doing a great job. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H3O+) 08:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Please stop
Please stop writing edit summaries to intimidate me as you did here. With accordance of guidelines for edit summaries that states "Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content or to express opinions of the other users involved.".--Mbz1 (talk) 21:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- If you consider advice to stop making things worse for yourself as 'intimidation' I suggest you consider what writing bigoted personal attacks on journalists looks like. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I am afraid you response shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Once again I ask you stop giving me "advices" in edit summaries. It violates guidelines for writing edit summaries. I consider calling my comment "bigoted personal attack" a PA against me. On a side note, if I feel as reading your response or responding to it, I will, please to not add talkback templates to my talk page. Please have a nice day.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- You can consider my remarks about you however you like. Your comments on the article talk page about the Palestinian journalist were a gross violation of Wikipedia policy, so I'd suggest you shut the **** up. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I am afraid you response shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Once again I ask you stop giving me "advices" in edit summaries. It violates guidelines for writing edit summaries. I consider calling my comment "bigoted personal attack" a PA against me. On a side note, if I feel as reading your response or responding to it, I will, please to not add talkback templates to my talk page. Please have a nice day.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)