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::In any case, I don't want to offend the guy but this is starting to exhaust everybody's patience. I already tied to reason with him and the experience really makes me want to walk away from this, I'm glad to se you're all reaching the same decision. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:DIREKTOR|<font color="DimGray">DIREKTOR</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DIREKTOR|<font color="Gray">TALK</font>]])</sup></font> 00:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
::In any case, I don't want to offend the guy but this is starting to exhaust everybody's patience. I already tied to reason with him and the experience really makes me want to walk away from this, I'm glad to se you're all reaching the same decision. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">[[User:DIREKTOR|<font color="DimGray">DIREKTOR</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DIREKTOR|<font color="Gray">TALK</font>]])</sup></font> 00:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Those of us who spend a lot of time trying to improve Balkan-related articles face a lot of shit from nationalists and grudge-bearers of every kind. Regarding the articles I've worked on, there are just a few people that I implicitly trust as being non-POV (DIREKTOR, you and Zen spring to mind, and I would like to mention Kubura as well but for the silly sock-stirring nonsense about Kirker). Rjecina is definitely ''not'' someone I see as non-POV. I don't see much positive stuff in his/her edit history. [[User:AlasdairGreen27|AlasdairGreen27]] ([[User talk:AlasdairGreen27#top|talk]]) 01:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
Those of us who spend a lot of time trying to improve Balkan-related articles face a lot of shit from nationalists and grudge-bearers of every kind. Regarding the articles I've worked on, there are just a few people that I implicitly trust as being non-POV (DIREKTOR, you and Zen spring to mind, and I would like to mention Kubura as well but for the silly sock-stirring nonsense about Kirker). Rjecina is definitely ''not'' someone I see as non-POV. I don't see much positive stuff in his/her edit history. [[User:AlasdairGreen27|AlasdairGreen27]] ([[User talk:AlasdairGreen27#top|talk]]) 01:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Italian Empire related AfD == |
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Hi there - input would be appreciated at this Italian Empire related AfD [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Italian_Empire_(entity,_1936%E2%80%931943)]. Thanks <span style="font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">[[User:The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick|<font color="red">'''The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick'''</font>]]<sup> [[User talk:The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick|<font color="blue">'''t'''</font>]]</sup></span> 00:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Non-free use question
I have a question and I thought you might be able to help me. I've just uploaded a screenshot of Google Maps. I was wondering if I could upload af higher resolution screenshot, and if yes, at what resolution? Thanks Guy0307 (talk) :)
Non English place names
Hi there, I read what you put on my talk page, and I see your point, but I'd also like to explain my reasoning. In some cases, I do agree that mentioning a non-English name in the beginning is a good solution to the problem you mentioned. However, I still do not understand why the majority places in Dalmatia and Istria and the islands must have Italian names when there is little reason for it. I speak of places like Biskupija, the Kornati archipelago and so on. I am also puzzled at why every single island must have the Italian name for it, especially since this has been initiated by an anonymous IP whose motives have raised my suspicions. Best. --Jesuislafete (talk) 19:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- I can see your reasoning, and I agree with it, but I think that the wider issue is more important in that we need a standardised system of rules and policy so that for example an article about Rijeka does not have to say Rijeka/Fiume every time. There has been so much of that shit it is unbelieveable. Wiki has many Italian nationalists that want to give equal status to Italian names so that all the articles are kind of dual named. This would obviously be ridiculous; the best way to avoid it is to say "Italian name once, only once, at the start, then the modern English name throughout". A part of this is that we have to be consistent and not remove Italian names from articles, as this would be POV. We need to be firm, fair and consistent. If there is an Italian (or other language) name, mention it once, just once, at the beginning, then we're done with it. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 00:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
- I understand, especially since the edit wars are getting out of hand. however, I feel it is important not to cater to ridiculous 'demands' (for want of a better word). I can see why they may want to put Italian on the islands, but I fail to see the reasoning behind Biskupija, Sinj and other places in Zagora. --Jesuislafete (talk) 05:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Canvassing and mud throwing
See this message [1], sent by user Jr.. Using the expression of "La Banda Sloveno-croata" (Croat-Slovenian gang). Etiquetting.
Of course, you were mentioned too ("kid sloveno" AlasdairGreen27... ed inventarsi ogni possibile falsitá su utenze fantasma contro di noi.", translation: "inventing every possible falsification about ghost user against us").
The author of this message says that his blog is some Brunodam's blog (this might suggest that the author is Brunodam, but someone could pretend and write this kind of message in order to damage his reputation; however, this should draw our attention). Kubura (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Poreč
It's true that in western Istria, tables are bilingual. But officially Poreč is Poreč. No Parenzo. An Italian minority's suggestion about bilingual official names for a few of the towns was rejected in 2003 [2]. Zenanarh (talk) 10:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry Alas, I was wrong. This document rejects jurisdiction of Croatian constitution for officializing of the bilingual names for a few towns in Istria. Responsibility is on the local statute. I've missed that part. And the Statute of Istrian county did it in 2006, document given by IP in Talk:Poreč. I didn't read it well, my fault. Now many beers go to you. Zenanarh (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with Image:Bale (grb).gif
Thank you for uploading Image:Bale (grb).gif. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. J Milburn (talk) 17:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- There's no image copyright tag explaining the copyright status of the image. If you add one, you're welcome to remove the notice. J Milburn (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, technically, no, but I apologise- I should have noticed that you had explained it. J Milburn (talk) 18:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- I honestly have no idea, I can't read the permission page you linked to. What license is it under? Public domain? Creative Commons? GFDL? J Milburn (talk) 18:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Not enough- images must be either public domain or free. If there is only permission for Wikipedia to use the media, then others are not able to use it, which is our aim- creating an encyclopedia that others can freely use for whatever purpose they wish. J Milburn (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but the copyright page is quite clear that content can not be used for commercial purposes, which means that it is not 'free' by Wikipedia's definition. I will delete it now. Sorry about that- if I can be of any help in the future, feel free to contact me. J Milburn (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Not enough- images must be either public domain or free. If there is only permission for Wikipedia to use the media, then others are not able to use it, which is our aim- creating an encyclopedia that others can freely use for whatever purpose they wish. J Milburn (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- I honestly have no idea, I can't read the permission page you linked to. What license is it under? Public domain? Creative Commons? GFDL? J Milburn (talk) 18:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, technically, no, but I apologise- I should have noticed that you had explained it. J Milburn (talk) 18:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Filipović
Hi, Alasdair. Could you have a look at the discussion on Talk:Miroslav Filipović. I'd appreciate your input. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
afd of Political society
Hi. As a contributor to the first afd of this article you might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political society (2nd nomination) andy (talk) 23:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Generalmesse Return
Have a look at Bendiksen63, ITALONY and IP 24.20.169.90... Pretty obvious who it is... especially as the two registered users use Paolo Caccia Dominioni de Sillavengo book Alamein 1933-1962: An Italian Story as source, which by "chance" was a favourite source for Generalmesse. ITALONY and the IP are also pretty obviously the same person: ITALONY edit and the IP addition. BTW: the source he uses is a British Egyptian Philately and Edmund Hall the writer of the source material an collector of Egyptian stamps! not a historian qualified in any way to judge the WWII events of North Africa... My question is: what do we do??? --noclador (talk) 10:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I should have known...
Hi Alasdair. Our pal PIO is stirring up trouble again, this time in the Pula article. I believe he is now pushing to rename the article into Pola/Pula or something like that. Have a look. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
PIO
Alasdair, could you give me a link to where PIO admits he's the annoying IP? If I remember correctly it was on your talkpage... I'll report the annoying POV-pusher and see if I can't get him blocked or at least the pages semi-protected from his nonsense. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- What? Of course he is. Its plain obvious. He keeps saying he's "not PIO" but says nothing about "Luigi". Its him, and he even said so. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
It's Bruno :-)
I was wondering all the time if you were right from the beginning that Romaioi is Bruno is Generlamesse is Capitanocorelli is... well, what is a typical comment of Romaioi? it's long, it is full of wrong accusations and it's twisting a lot of facts... so what are typical Bruno comments: a classic Bruno comment... And what is typical about Romaiois comments... right - he revisits them and changes them multiple times; just like - guess who! :-) --noclador (talk) 14:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Today's IP is 100% definitely Bruno. So, these attacks on you by Bruno seem to possibly, perhaps tie Bruno to Generalmesse or Romaioi, but I'm not sure. Strange though, I agree... :-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 14:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure it's him. As I understood from reading some Bruno discussions he had a habit of registering socks wherever he went... so I believe that he registered the various socks on a business trip to Australia (which would also explain, why Romaiois favourite time to edit is 4pm to 3am Perth time - or 7am to 6pm Broomfield time) also: if Bruno is so incensed with me today, but I never before had anything to do with him... so, where does this anger come from? also: Romaioi is the name with which the Roman settlers in the Balcans described themselves after the partition of the Roman empire... so... who is so much interested in these people?? The more I think about it the surer I am: Romaioi = another sock of Bruno. --noclador (talk) 15:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Possibly. I can offer you these IP addresses in Atlanta that, like today's, were definitely Bruno. Special:Contributions/65.3.224.112 and Special:Contributions/72.153.151.45. There are lots of others. He seems to be there about every 3-4 weeks. I haven't got time now to dig out any others but I will have in the next day or two. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 15:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure it's him. As I understood from reading some Bruno discussions he had a habit of registering socks wherever he went... so I believe that he registered the various socks on a business trip to Australia (which would also explain, why Romaiois favourite time to edit is 4pm to 3am Perth time - or 7am to 6pm Broomfield time) also: if Bruno is so incensed with me today, but I never before had anything to do with him... so, where does this anger come from? also: Romaioi is the name with which the Roman settlers in the Balcans described themselves after the partition of the Roman empire... so... who is so much interested in these people?? The more I think about it the surer I am: Romaioi = another sock of Bruno. --noclador (talk) 15:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Today's IP is 100% definitely Bruno. So, these attacks on you by Bruno seem to possibly, perhaps tie Bruno to Generalmesse or Romaioi, but I'm not sure. Strange though, I agree... :-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 14:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I reported Generalmesses new socks: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Generalmesse (2nd) --noclador (talk) 08:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Rab concentration camp
Alasdair, there's currently an RfC ongoing about Elonka (talk · contribs) (see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Elonka). Some problems with the Rab concentration camp article have come up for discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Elonka#Rab concentration camp. As you were heavily involved in that dispute, you might have a view on the current discussion. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Weird image...
Hey Alasdair, since all esuli are on ferragosto, I finally have time to direct my attention to less significant matters such as images and the like. I've noticed some weird image placement on the Yugoslav Front of World War II article. The "World War II partition of Yugoslavia" image is floating around the start of the page, you wouldn't happen to know why? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yep, it's because it was left aligned. Left aligned images are usually screwed up. I've fixed it. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Strange, so it can't be left or it'll be screwy? I'm just trying to solve the mystery, might be something I don't know... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Every time I've tried a left aligned image it's been the same shit. A software problem I guess. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Jesus, do you think maybe all the optanti go off on ferragosto together? I hope not. Miserable bastards that they are. You'd hardly return to work after a fortnight of that shit feeling relaxed, refreshed and ready for whatever the boss has in store. Now I really am starting to feel sorry for them :-(( AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Don't ask me, the only thing I know is that all of Italy is over here, if all these guys stayed we'd have to rename Split to "Citta di Spalato" :P --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- A thoroughly good idea. I suggest you get out there with your can of paint and start rewriting the road signs immediately. That, finally, will stop the interminable moaning, whining, grumbling and complaining. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 00:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Wouldn't count on it, they'll be moving on to Zagabria next... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I thought you might like to know that I've rewritten and expanded this article. Your views would be appreciated (on the article talk page, please). -- ChrisO (talk) 20:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Pax
Thanks for information.... Because I am not everyday on wiki can you please next 2 days ask checkuser Thatcher for check (and block). See this or you can inform administrator User:Wknight94--Rjecina (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Exhausting and frustrating
Its like banging your head against a brick wall sometimes. At this point, I think it might be easier to let Rjecina continue to object and try to get administrative actions, as continuing this fruitless (and often very hard for me to decipher) discussion seems pointless. He can try and get administrators to help him, they'll tell him it's a content dispute, and eventually he'll realize that the consensus on the page is against him and hopefully let it go. AniMate 23:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
- Briiliant. I've been dying to say something like that for some time. AniMate 00:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know what to say, orwhat to think. If he wasn't moderate in the past I'd say he's behaving like a typical nationalist. I think constant conflict with Serb nationalist socks may have polarized his views. LoL, the same thing that happened to Croatia as a nation :P
- In any case, I don't want to offend the guy but this is starting to exhaust everybody's patience. I already tied to reason with him and the experience really makes me want to walk away from this, I'm glad to se you're all reaching the same decision. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Those of us who spend a lot of time trying to improve Balkan-related articles face a lot of shit from nationalists and grudge-bearers of every kind. Regarding the articles I've worked on, there are just a few people that I implicitly trust as being non-POV (DIREKTOR, you and Zen spring to mind, and I would like to mention Kubura as well but for the silly sock-stirring nonsense about Kirker). Rjecina is definitely not someone I see as non-POV. I don't see much positive stuff in his/her edit history. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi there - input would be appreciated at this Italian Empire related AfD [3]. Thanks The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 00:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)