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::I appreciate your vigilance, but I don't feel as if in responding you've honored the spirt of the admin guidelines and talk user guidelines. If I erred in my edits on the very first day I joined, it was because I made them before I was able to read the relevant guidelines, as you would be able to see from the relevant posting times compared to message opening times.[[User:Scholar of Record|Scholar of Record]] ([[User talk:Scholar of Record|talk]]) 17:51, 3 October 2016 (UTC) Before I read your guidelines and understood how things worked another editor wrote me conveying the same but in a way that I felt was much more in keeping with behavior expected of admins. Is there anywhere I can go to further raise concerns?Thanks |
::I appreciate your vigilance, but I don't feel as if in responding you've honored the spirt of the admin guidelines and talk user guidelines. If I erred in my edits on the very first day I joined, it was because I made them before I was able to read the relevant guidelines, as you would be able to see from the relevant posting times compared to message opening times.[[User:Scholar of Record|Scholar of Record]] ([[User talk:Scholar of Record|talk]]) 17:51, 3 October 2016 (UTC) Before I read your guidelines and understood how things worked another editor wrote me conveying the same but in a way that I felt was much more in keeping with behavior expected of admins. Is there anywhere I can go to further raise concerns?Thanks |
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:::{{ping|Scholar of Record}}I've moved your post up here, and it would help if you would stay in this section when you make future comments. Just post right below mine. I should note that I am not an administrator. I am an editor, just as you are—I've just been around a little longer. If you feel I've wronged you personally in some way, I'm happy to discuss it. If you want someone to review my actions, you can open up a thread at [[WP:ANI]] or comment in the one that I already made about your edits. I will say, however, that I have tried hard to be patient here. What I'm understanding, though, is that you don't really like what I'm saying. I hope that you stay here and edit productively, I really do. But I think you need to consider why you're here. The goal of WIkipedia is to build an encyclopedia. If your goal is different from that (say, to memorialize/honor your relatives or to increase the exposure and citation of a certain author's books), then this isn't the right place for you. [[User talk:Agtx|<span style="color:#8B008B">'''agt'''</span><span style="color:#000000">x</span>]] 22:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC) |
:::{{ping|Scholar of Record}}I've moved your post up here, and it would help if you would stay in this section when you make future comments. Just post right below mine. I should note that I am not an administrator. I am an editor, just as you are—I've just been around a little longer. If you feel I've wronged you personally in some way, I'm happy to discuss it. If you want someone to review my actions, you can open up a thread at [[WP:ANI]] or comment in the one that I already made about your edits. I will say, however, that I have tried hard to be patient here. What I'm understanding, though, is that you don't really like what I'm saying. I hope that you stay here and edit productively, I really do. But I think you need to consider why you're here. The goal of WIkipedia is to build an encyclopedia. If your goal is different from that (say, to memorialize/honor your relatives or to increase the exposure and citation of a certain author's books), then this isn't the right place for you. [[User talk:Agtx|<span style="color:#8B008B">'''agt'''</span><span |
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::::::@Scholar of Record You may try taking your issue with this particular editor to Dispute Resolution as others have had to do. That might be your only option to leave your edits udisturbed. it may take some time, bur it may be the only course of action available to you. Good luck. |
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== Morla Gorrondona == |
== Morla Gorrondona == |
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anti Catholicism in America
You don't think calling Protestants paranoid, after what happened in the inquisitions, biased. I will no longer be contributing to wikipedia ,as I can see you have an agenda of your own.
- @Felixpappilardi098: I have responded to your edits on talk:Anti-Catholicism in the United States
KYE Systems
I could offer more sites and reports that corroborate the evidence but I can't be fucked to spend hours learning this shit.
78.173.58.21 comments
Hey, first of all the turkish cassualties wich are mentiont on the page aint the cassualties that happend during the independence war. These are cassualties that happen form the first balkan wwar and world war 1 thats why I and some people before me removed it. Second, i dont understand why you removed the greek civil cassualties. These are cassualties that happend during the independence war. You also removed a part of the armenian cassualties.
I hope that you understand why I changed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.173.58.21 (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2015 UTC
Undoing changes in Deflation Article.
Few things 1. Removal of "speculation" tag. Why? Paragraph is clearly a speculative statement and original research:
- Economists generally believe that deflation is a problem in a modern economy because...*
No sources that support that statement. Link is bogus - and doesn't confirm statement.
2. Removal of
- Opposing opinion is also widespread among economists:*
which is immediately supported by link to opinion of economist, Philipp Bagus. Who wrote a book and papers on subject.
3. Currently "Deflationary spiral" chapter is misleading. I changed it to: *A deflationary spiral is an imaginable situation*
I added relevant RS link to study done by economists Atkeson and Kehoe.
- According to economic study done by Atkeson and Kehoe there is no statistically significant connection between depression and deflation*
Can you please elaborate on why you twice undid those edits? Hamdui24 (talk) 04:10, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Hamdui24: 1) The statement is not speculative, although I'll admit that it could use a better citation. I've added a citation to The Economist that does a better job.
- 2) Note that the both cites to the sentence you say is speculative are to articles that discuss the opinion of economists. Your link is the opinion of a specific economist. Those are different. One is your extrapolation from a primary source, and the other is reporting from a secondary source.
- 3) As I said on the talk page, reporting what this article says might be ok, as long as you don't try to characterize it. That said, I don't know enough about the topic to know if it's sufficiently mainstream research to be included. agtx 04:20, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
- 1. Economist citation doesn't say anything about opinion of "economists". Neither about opinion of single economist. That is editorial from "Economists" - one source. It also doesn't contain claim about what "Economists generally believe". I would agree if you put quotes around "Economist".
Not to mention that summary of "Economist" article is some original research on on top of journal article. I will put tag dubious there, until it sufficiently clarified. Hamdui24 (talk) 04:59, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Hamdui24: I'm not sure what you mean by put quotes around economist? Are they scare quotes? Do you mean that you do not consider the people who think that to be economists? If that's the case, that's not really how Wikipedia articles are written. The topic of the cited article is—and I'm quoting—"Why do economists so dread falling prices?" It then proceeds to talk about a "common explanation." In other words, the article describes what economists generally believe. That's not to say there aren't economists who disagree, but perhaps having a look at WP:DUE will help clarify why the sentence is still appropriate. agtx 02:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
IP fringe edits
Thanks for the note. Given that the IP editor is new, I likely should have used the undo function rather than rollback — I did leave a note on the IP editor's talk page, however. Best wishes --Neutralitytalk 02:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
List of Largest Banks
I ask for a consensus of the Wikipedia Administrators (including Jimbo Wales) regarding my edits. All I am doing is taking the figures given in Chinese Yuan, and using an online currency converter that has the current currency rate to convert that figure to U.S. Dollars. 75.187.180.89 (talk) 02:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Studio 71 edit
It isn't Libel... it's true. They have filed many false claims. Just because the truth hurts doesn't mean that they should be protected from it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JesterKing (talk • contribs) 05:41, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- @JesterKing: I don't know if it's true or not. What I do know is 1) a YouTube video is not a reliable source and 2) you can't accuse someone of committing a felony (which, frankly, what you're accusing them of likely is not) on Wikipedia without a really reliable source. agtx 05:43, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Red Shirts (Southern United States)
The entry incorrectly calls the Red Shirts "white supremacist" paramilitary groups. This is incorrect however, due to the fact that there were blacks in many of the Red Shirt groups. Here is just one account: <Drago, Edmund L. (1998). Hurrah for Hampton!: Black Red Shirts in South Carolina during Reconstruction. University of Arkansas Press. ISBN 1-55728-541-1.>
A more historically accurate qualifier would be "Democrat" paramilitary groups, as these organizations were formed to insure the election of Democratic candidates in local and state elections.
KAvin (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)KAvinKAvin (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
As have I. So, the incorrect label of "white supremacist" stays because you did a review on a piece of a book, and that agrees with what another guy, who admitedly hasn't read the book either, says, so that is your basis for leaving incorrect information on this page?? That and maybe it doesn't fit nicely with how YOU believe groups in the Post WBTS South should be catergorized and labled??? The fact is alot of blacks in different Red Shirt groups across the South were "card carrying" members with equal member rights, same as white members. That one fact in itself should be enough to leave my edit alone, as it is incorrect and is not needed in the definition of what the Red Shirts were.
KAvin (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)KAvinKAvin (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- Just letting you know I turned this over to dispute resolution, as I am required to do. Here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Red_Shirts_.2528Southern_United_States.2529.23Red_Shirts_.28Southern_United_States.29
KAvin (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Donald Trump Endorsements
My being included in this seems rather unfair. I stopped once I received a notice, while the IP user continued to edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus.savage.0 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- It does look like you may have gotten the notice around the same time as you did the last revert. I'll add that to the discussion, but nevertheless, you did violate the rule. agtx 19:58, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- I had no intent of engaging in a so-called "edit war". If I did clearly violate the rule, I apologize. Still, my actions were without malice.
Re: revert of profanity
Hello, I am aware of WP:BOWDLERIZE. There was a conflict between to Wiki rules - the one you have mentioned and WP:GRATUITOUS. It states that "Offensive material should be used only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available.". In my opinion the entire exact quotation, as used in the article, is not necessary to make it revelant and informative. I have considered WP:AGF, but finally I have decided to revert changes of that IP user and change the content of the section to make it clear without unnecessary occurrence of direct speech. Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 21:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Tymon.r: I appreciate your looking into it further. In any event, I do not think it was an appropriate use of standard rollback with only a template message to the IP. I understand tools like Huggle make it possible to go very fast when reverting, so I might suggest taking a little more time when looking at edits. agtx 21:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
- I agree I could use other, custom message to the user as situation was not the standard rollback case by WP:ROLLBACK. While making quick decision in Huggle I had to distinguish if it is done in good faith or appears just to make the site's content more offensive. Taking into account WP:AGF, I reached the conclusion it should be reverted as it doesn't improve the article in anyway. I have fixed that in my recent edit. Thank you message, I appreciate your tips. Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 22:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I have to disagree with you about declining CSD of this redirect. The same author has created three more - W T Wallace, W.T. Wallace and WT Wallace. You have called WP:CHEAP rule arguing the page should not be removed. However, remember redirects are sometimes costly, especially when they cause a mess or are just obviously not needed. In my opinion the name of subject is so popular and the subject itself is so not significant, that keeping redirects to the article could be a reason for the problems with creation of a new page and the general downgrade of order on Wikipedia - for me that justifies using WP:SPEEDY and asking for immediate, stressing that regardless of that what I said before - these redirects are just not useful at all. I have started RFD. Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 22:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Tymon.r: It appears from the sources cited that the subject actually did go by "W.T. Wallace." In that case, all of those redirects make perfect sense, and I see no reason not to have them. I'll post the same at the RFD. agtx 22:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Winery link edit, addition, accidental removal.
I think you may have accidentally removed the entire section for wineries. I reverted your action on this. All the best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:8100:4A:F041:FF99:52CE:2181 (talk) 04:11, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Scholar of Record
Hello, Agtx. I am new to Wikipedia, and have read the guidelines you sent, thank you. In including the name you deleted in, for example, the entry for well-known Iowans, I am submitting a purely factual statement. Please let me know if you need additional citations, referrals, or third-party documentation. Thanks. Scholar of Record (talk) 03:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Scholar of Record: I understand that you're new, and I'm glad you read the guidelines. However, just because a statement happens to be true doesn't mean that it belongs on Wikipedia. Every single one of your edits has added a book or article by the same person, often in places where it's only tangentially related. If your goal here is to promote that author, then it's not going to work out. If you're interested in adding meaningful content, then I suggest that you start by making some edits that don't have to do with Mr. Jack. agtx 03:32, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
If one is an author or scholar of record or a leading authority on the subjects one is editing, what is the best way to reference one's work without seeming promotional? A Further Readings section or footnote including bibliographic data? Scholar of Record (talk) 03:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Scholar of Record: The best way is not to do it. Otherwise, you can have a look at WP:SELFCITE. You are allowed to cite yourself, but not in a manner that is excessive or promotional. Going through articles and looking for ways that you can stretch the subject in order to be able to cite your work would be considered excessive. Mentioning the name of the author of a book in the text of an article when the identity of the author has no relevance to the subject would be promotional. Adding an Amazon link where one can purchase the book is definitely promotional. As I said, if you're only here to look for ways to promote a certain author's books, then that's not going to work out. agtx 03:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Scholar of Record: I should add that if you are indeed such an authority, then you likely to know of many other sources you can cite for the same propositions. I'd recommend citing those other sources, and letting other people cite you. agtx 03:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Talkback
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Merinakutas (talk) 06:43, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Return
Pardon if I offended anyone, I was just saying that a vote was marked by a personal subject's posture (saying this as a way to alert the community and think about the mentality of those who do this type of claim). Att. 177.182.217.143 (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Agtx,
Scholar of Record
I understand your position, though I'm beginning to feel as if Wikipedia, and its editors, don't have much appreciation or respect for local knowledge or fame. For example, I list my great-grandfather as a well-known person from the home township because he wrote a nationally known book. To an anonymous content editor sitting somewhere in Texas or New York, this may seem like only so much promoting of a family or a family name. But what if your family *is* one of a handful of pioneering families, and deserving of mention in their little corner of the world and beyond it? And who will promote our own forgotten history here if not we, its citizens? When I enter my grandfather's name as a literary figure from our township, with citation, it hurts to see his name removed by an anonymous editor. Don't grandparents who achieved great things deserve mention, if accompanied by proper documentation,Scholar of Record (talk) 03:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC) in the Wikipedia page devoted to their township..their six mile by six mile corner of the earth? I certainly think so.
- @Scholar of Record: I'm not unsympathetic to your stated desire, but let's look at how your edits appear to the rest of the world. This one doesn't contain anyone's great-grandfather. Neither does this one. Nor this one nor this one nor this one nor this one. What it looks like is that you are making edits that all promote Zachary Jack. Even the ones that do reference someone's great-grandfather somehow end up focusing on Zachary Jack. If you've got independent, reliable sources that demonstrate that a great-grandfather is relevant to an article's topic, then it may well make sense to add them. However, if your goal is to promote Zachary Jack's work, then you can't do that here. agtx 14:43, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Scholar of Record (talk) 15:09, 3 October 2016 (UTC)Ag tx,
Several of the edits I made try to include great-grandfather and grandson, as you see. Both are included in the Authors Collection and Special Collections at their state university; both are documented. It is not uncommon for their work to be viewed side by side by scholars in the field. If I include one without the other, I am doing a disservice to both of them, who come from the same county and township. If the great-grandfather were alive, he would include the great-grandson, I am certain. We stand side by side in our successes and our failures in this part of the world. I understand your position, but I would hope you would reconsider the removal, at least, of our names from our town and our township history. I would also ask, out of respect, that you remove specific names from your public posts. It is important to me to respect your anonymity in this way, using only your chosen screen name to address you and to refer to your edits, and I hope you will do the same for those you edit and remove mention of proper names in our discussion.
Thanking you.
- If you'll note, I very carefully did not write or imply that you are Zachary Jack, and I don't know (or care) if you are. I commented on the topics of your edits to Wikipedia, which is, in fact, Zachary Jack. agtx 15:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Scholar of Record: I did make one edit above to remove something that could have so implied. agtx 15:16, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
- Agtx,
- I appreciate your vigilance, but I don't feel as if in responding you've honored the spirt of the admin guidelines and talk user guidelines. If I erred in my edits on the very first day I joined, it was because I made them before I was able to read the relevant guidelines, as you would be able to see from the relevant posting times compared to message opening times.Scholar of Record (talk) 17:51, 3 October 2016 (UTC) Before I read your guidelines and understood how things worked another editor wrote me conveying the same but in a way that I felt was much more in keeping with behavior expected of admins. Is there anywhere I can go to further raise concerns?Thanks
- @Scholar of Record:I've moved your post up here, and it would help if you would stay in this section when you make future comments. Just post right below mine. I should note that I am not an administrator. I am an editor, just as you are—I've just been around a little longer. If you feel I've wronged you personally in some way, I'm happy to discuss it. If you want someone to review my actions, you can open up a thread at WP:ANI or comment in the one that I already made about your edits. I will say, however, that I have tried hard to be patient here. What I'm understanding, though, is that you don't really like what I'm saying. I hope that you stay here and edit productively, I really do. But I think you need to consider why you're here. The goal of WIkipedia is to build an encyclopedia. If your goal is different from that (say, to memorialize/honor your relatives or to increase the exposure and citation of a certain author's books), then this isn't the right place for you. agtx 22:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Scholar of Record You may try taking your issue with this particular editor to Dispute Resolution as others have had to do. That might be your only option to leave your edits udisturbed. it may take some time, bur it may be the only course of action available to you. Good luck.
KAvin (talk) 07:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)KAvinKAvin (talk) 07:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Morla Gorrondona
I have added a source for the tidbit of info I have on this actress, hopefully enough to have the deletion box taken down? Deicey (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)Deicey