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::::That is ''one'' trial while dozens are mentioned in the article. Furthermore, very significant problems regarding the source for the one trial have been explained on talk. If evidence showed that acupuncture was consistently more helpful than sham treatments it would be part of mainstream medicine—the three naysayers are simply reflecting the real world. Perhaps in a decade or two the situation will change and acupuncture will be a mainstream treatment—when that happens the article will reflect the new mainstream situation. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2017 (UTC) |
::::That is ''one'' trial while dozens are mentioned in the article. Furthermore, very significant problems regarding the source for the one trial have been explained on talk. If evidence showed that acupuncture was consistently more helpful than sham treatments it would be part of mainstream medicine—the three naysayers are simply reflecting the real world. Perhaps in a decade or two the situation will change and acupuncture will be a mainstream treatment—when that happens the article will reflect the new mainstream situation. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2017 (UTC) |
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Your signature "TriumvirateProtean" suggests that you are actually three people, not one. If so, you are probably not aware that there is a rule against that: [[WP:SHAREDACCOUNT]]. If this is a shared account, you should use three different accounts instead to avoid a ban. If it is not, sorry I brought it up. --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 10:09, 9 February 2017 (UTC) |
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Copyright violation in Healthcare medicine institute
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I take issue with "unquestionably copyright infringement". Actually, no infringement whatsoever ocurred. The CEO of the company gave me the right to post.
I think I may not know enough about Wikipedia to contribute. I seem to need to learn more about the system as not to offend the bots and will not contribute until such a time that I learn more about referencing and identification of white hat material. The bots have caused some trouble unessarily. I understand, but the No Follow policy should invalidate the penalty box concept.
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May 2013
Your recent editing history at Acupuncture shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. TippyGoomba (talk) 05:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I have followed your discussions at Acupuncture, thought I would give you my 2 cents....feel free to delete if you do not like my advice. Please also see my comment here at the acupuncture talk page. Wikipedia policy dictates that the lead should summarize the body of the article. Most of your edits seem to be only to the lead. If you are so inclined to improve the acupuncture article, I would suggest updating the body of the article first with any research that is discussed in relevant secondary sources. The body of the article here currently only mentions that there is no physical correlates with acupuncture points! Thus, the lead is currently a good summary of this. I have listed a bunch of secondary sources on the talk page that discuss this topic and discuss some preliminary research that suggests differences along meridians, etc. If there is anything worth being incorporated into the body of the article, then it should be done first and the lead can be modified afterwards to reflect this. If you approach the lead first, it is hard to get consensus and is not consistent with policy. Best regards Puhlaa (talk) 20:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you feel so inclined, here are some secondary sources that could be used to add relevant text to this section of body of the article:
- Electrical PropertiesofAcupuncture Points and Meridians: A Systematic Review
- Electrical Characterization of Acupuncture Points: Technical Issues and Challenges Ahn 2007
- Characterizing Acupuncture Stimuli Using Brain Imaging with fMRI - A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Literature Huang et al 2012
- How do acupuncture and moxibustion act? - Focusing on the progress in Japanese acupuncture research Kawakita et al. 2006
- Neuroanatomical basis of acupuncture treatment for some common illnesses Cheng 2009
Puhlaa (talk) 20:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Your message
Hi, just wanted to let you know I replied to your message on my talk page. Also, please check your email. --Middle 8 (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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As an aside, Wikipedia's rules for editors who may be paid to edit or who may have other conflicts of interest have been updated in recent years. If you are an acupuncturist, or if you work for a company which provides materials, training, or other services to acupuncturists, you should definitely review Wikipedia's rules regarding conflicts of interest (especially with respect to necessary disclosures and recommended approaches to editing). TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:04, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Edit warring
Your recent editing history at Acupuncture shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
Thinks have changed since 2014 when you last edited Acupuncture. It may not be clear from the notices at the top of Talk:Acupuncture (or from the notice just above on this page), but discretionary sanctions means edits like the second and third of the following are not permitted.
- 03:38, 9 February 2017 (first edit)
- 04:16, 9 February 2017 (repeat)
- 04:31, 9 February 2017 (repeat)
Johnuniq (talk) 04:47, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
- I suggest a third party resolution. The biased omission of valid data obfuscates the facts.--TriumvirateProtean (talk) 04:51, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to be officious and disagreeable, but please be aware the WP:CANVASS means that an editor should not attempt to gather support from perceived allies, so permalink and diff and diff are not advisable. By the way, the last of those concerns an editor who is unable to discuss acupuncture at any page on Wikipedia (see here and search for any user names of interest).
- Content disputes are resolved by dispute resolution (WP:DR). In essence, that means focused discussion on the article talk page for an extended period (at least a week). Such discussion should progress—stonewalling by repeating a point without responding to issues raised will not be productive. Following such discussion, it is reasonable to ask for other opinions at any relevant WP:WikiProject (using a neutral notice which asks for input).
- However, it might be simpler to acknowledge the fundamental hurdle—any medical procedure which was known to be more effective than placebos or sham treatments would be part of mainstream medicine. Articles at Wikipedia will always reflect mainstream sources. Johnuniq (talk) 06:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
- The research that was removed demonstrated that acupuncture is more effective than sham and placebos.[1]One by one, I addressed concerns about the research in talk prior to making a change on the article page. I suggest that others weigh in on the research to build greater consensus rather than relying on three naysayers to all acupuncture to remove valid science. --TriumvirateProtean (talk) 07:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
- That is one trial while dozens are mentioned in the article. Furthermore, very significant problems regarding the source for the one trial have been explained on talk. If evidence showed that acupuncture was consistently more helpful than sham treatments it would be part of mainstream medicine—the three naysayers are simply reflecting the real world. Perhaps in a decade or two the situation will change and acupuncture will be a mainstream treatment—when that happens the article will reflect the new mainstream situation. Johnuniq (talk) 09:09, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
- The research that was removed demonstrated that acupuncture is more effective than sham and placebos.[1]One by one, I addressed concerns about the research in talk prior to making a change on the article page. I suggest that others weigh in on the research to build greater consensus rather than relying on three naysayers to all acupuncture to remove valid science. --TriumvirateProtean (talk) 07:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
References
- ^ MacPherson, H; Vickers, A; Bland, M; Torgerson, D; Corbett, M; Spackman, E; Saramago, P; Woods, B; Weatherly, H; Sculpher, M; Manca, A; Richmond, S; Hopton, A; Eldred, J; Watt, I (January 2017). "Acupuncture for chronic pain and depression in primary care: a programme of research". PMID 28121095.
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about this - that user is topic banned and cannot respond... or rather if they do, they will probably be indefinitely blocked. I suggest you self-revert before anyone replies (it is OK to remove it, if and only if no one replies. See WP:TPG) Jytdog (talk) 10:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Please read the above guideline and reconsider the posts you have made here and here and here. Jytdog (talk) 10:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)