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==Edits of Presidents of the Generalitat of Catalonia articles== |
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Hi! Some of your edits in the different articles about the Presidents of the Generalitat of Catalonia are unconsistent or do not respect [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] (or even are blatantly against some sources of the Generalitat itself, such as [http://www.gencat.cat/sacdocs/PRE/1609.pdf this]), so these have been reverted. Likewise, this has been done for edits which did not comply with [[MOS:DATEFORMAT]] or which removed valid links added by other users without any attempt of explanation or justification. You should engage in discussion at the proper talk pages instead as per [[WP:BRD]] to seek [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] for your edits, rather than proceed to wild-reverting everyone, so as to prevent engaging in [[WP:EDITWAR|edit warring]]. Thank you. <span style="background-color:#318CE7;">'''[[User:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">Impru20</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 07:10, 19 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Reply here: Your refer to digital newspapers and Generalitat trying to modify history. The Generality was founded in 1931 during the second Spanish republic. Prior to that there was the General Council and Priest were elected by the King. All ancient texts refer to these priests as deputies, no presidents. |
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If Generalitat is trying to change their history, very well, but this is a open source of knowledge, not a politicians website. |
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:You provide no sources to back up your claims, whereas several sources disproving your claims have been shown to you. Wikipedia is not a place [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS|to right great wrongs]], and if you intend to add encyclopedic content, you should be expected to back it up with sources. Also, if you are reverting others, you should at least explain why you're doing so, which you have failed to do. You've engaged in edit warring and violated the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]], despite a warning to you to refrain from engaging in such a behaviour and enter into talk to seek consensus instead. As a result, you've been reported at [[WP:AN/EW]]. <span style="background-color:#318CE7;">'''[[User:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">Impru20</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 07:25, 19 May 2018 (UTC) |
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I will get back with some sources for next modifications but is common knowledge that there were no presidents from XIV to XVIII -> http://heraldicacatalana.blogspot.hk/2011/12/la-diputacion-del-general.html |
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What will be next? Catalonia has an older democracy than the US... Generalitat is renumbering ecclesiastics deputies as presidents to construct a different past and origins. Wikipedia should be for enlightening people, not to institutions manipulate them. |
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:Your own provided source explicitly refers to [[Berenguer de Cruïlles]] as the "first President of the Generalitat" (it says: {{tq|''La Diputación la presidía uno de los diputados eclesiásticos, considerado Presidente de la Generalitat, siendo el primero Berenguer de Cruïlles, obispo de Gerona (...)''}}), and does not support your claim (much to the contrary, actually). <span style="background-color:#318CE7;">'''[[User:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">Impru20</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 07:49, 19 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:You have also added [http://www.abc.es/historia/abci-gran-mentira-historica-131-presidentes-generalitat-nuevo-mantra-nacionalismo-catalan-201805160155_noticia.html this source] to one of your edit summaries, but that's an opinion article from a single person in a newspaper, not an academic or encyclopedic source, as others which have been provided. <span style="background-color:#318CE7;">'''[[User:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">Impru20</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 07:53, 19 May 2018 (UTC) |
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As you mention, that is a blog and describes being considered. The truth is that the General Council it was not a government or did not have such functions. It was rather a Commission of the Catalan Courts. Refer as president to these deputies as if they were commander in chief and making a link with current presidents is quite an exercise of historical manipulation. |
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http://www.abc.es/historia/abci-gran-mentira-historica-131-presidentes-generalitat-nuevo-mantra-nacionalismo-catalan-201805160155_noticia.html |
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:[[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS|Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs]]. Aside from the presented sources, even within ABC's has been acknowledged in the past that the number of Presidents of the Generalitat date back to 1359 ([http://www.abc.es/20101223/espana/rc-artur-presidente-numero-generalitat-201012230911.html reference]). It's obvious that we should follow reliable sources, and that one person in a newspaper does write that he does not think there were 130 Presidents before Torra does not mean that this is not a widely acknowledged fact by the sources. You seem to confuse the meaning of "President of the Generalitat" with that of the current office, but that does not mean others did not bear such a label and/or consideration, even with different functions and powers, and refuse to take in consideration all other sources which disprove you. Anyway, you should have engaged in such a talk before engaging in edit warring by imposing your particular views in Wikipedia, even after being advised not to do so. You've been reported where needed. <span style="background-color:#318CE7;">'''[[User:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">Impru20</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 08:22, 19 May 2018 (UTC) |
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== Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion == |
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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring]] regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]]. <!--Template:An3-notice--> Thank you. <span style="background-color:#318CE7;">'''[[User:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">Impru20</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Impru20|<span style="color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 07:20, 19 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:Per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=842143099&oldid=842134409 my comment in the edit warring report] you are risking a block. Consider responding to the complaint. Thank you, [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 14:40, 20 May 2018 (UTC) |
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