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Your username
Hi. Further to the ANI report but not really worth mentioning there, because your username makes use of a non-standard character it appears to many of our editors as simply a box (the default 'missing character' symbol in most character sets). Rendering it correctly requires editors to have the correct non-latin character set installed on their computers, which many don't. For that reason we recommend including some latin characters in your signature; see WP:SIG#NL. There's no need to change your username or anything but making this small change to your signature as a courtesy to other editors would be much appreciated. Thank you, EyeSerenetalk 10:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Your username and signature (again)
Hi. Please be aware of a couple of things about your account name.
- Many/most other editors won't have a clue as to how to say your username. I gather that it's a Tibetan character, but the overwhelming majority of users here have no familiarity at all with the Tibetan script, and to them your username will look like a meaningless little squiggle. Not only that, but many users don't have Tibetan fonts installed on their computers, so they won't even see a meaningless squiggle — instead, they'll see a box with Unicode numbers that are so tiny as to be illegible. Wikipedia's user name policy does permit names with non-Latin characters, but users with such names are strongly advised to customize their signatures so that their talk page entries will include something in Latin characters. See WP:CUSTOMSIG for information on how to customize your signature in your account preferences; if you need help with this, let me know and I'll be happy to assist.
- Per WP:SIGLINK, signatures are supposed to include "at least one internal link to your user page, user talk page, or contributions page.... The lack of such a link is widely viewed as obstructive." You recently edited at least one of your talk page posts (see here) to remove all of these links; this is inappropriate, and you would be strongly advised not to do this in the future. — Richwales 03:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, appreciate your attempt to restore this article. If you put it back in as RM will support it. On another subject, do you know where WP:CAPS for dynasty names is discussed? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:28, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- Have not got any discussion reply, but per Tang Dynasty it should probably be restored to Hồng Bàng Dynasty. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- The admin may not have realised that he was actually supporting an undiscussed controversial move when he reverted your revert, but all the same so many pages are affected it's probably best to do using the WP:RM template on the article's Talk page.
- Nguyễn Dynasty, Triệu Dynasty need restoring.
- Lê Dynasty, Ngô Dynasty, Trần Dynasty, Hồ dynasty, Mạc dynasty, Early Lê dynasty, Đinh Dynasty, Ngô dynasty, Later Trần dynasty were not moved. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Your user name again
It is a square. I know other squares so I can't tell you apart. Would you please be so kind as to fix this? Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- It's not a square on my home PC, it's a Tibetan Yig Mgo caret. But on my work PC it's a square like on Anna's. Here's a suggestion, why not put "(Yig Mgo)" or something in the signature after the mark so users like Anna can tell apart.? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Near homonyms
Hi, do you know of any others? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:43, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi
- We must restore the article's name to Lê Hiển Tông, and for the link Le Hien Tong, we need to make a disambiguation page similar to Phan Thanh Hung. ༆ (talk) 02:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, :) Yes, I know, I agree, but unfortunately you'll have to first talk to some other Vietnamese editors, for example User talk:Grenouille vert who is also in favour of restoring Vietnamese names (in fact it was due to Grenouille vert's complaint at Talk:Cần Thơ/Archive 1 that I looked into these moves in the first place and posted RMs restoring them). But I'm not doing any more on my own. Sorry. If editors complain, but then don't take part in the WP:RM process then it leaves editors who do, like myself, very exposed to personal abuse from the small but noisy and aggressive "anti-foreign names" group on en.wp. The difference is very clear when you compare Talk:Dominik Halmosi (where some Czech names had to be restored) to any Vietnam RM on the RM list. You see in the Talk:Dominik Halmosi how the accents were almost as complicated as Vietnamese, but everybody supported - that isn't because no English-speaking editors are xenophobic to Czech names (some are!), it's because of building consensus.
- Another thing, I hate to say it again, but the several messages above from helpful nice editors (I recognise all of those names as helpful nice editors, the nasty ones won't come and try and help) your signature looks like "□" to 50% of editors, and a meaningless squiggle ༆, to the other 49.999% Even I didn't recognise it when I first saw it, even though I've been in a Tibetan lamasery and seen that marking on a scroll. I actually made the yig mgo article in your honour, because I was quite amused by it, and thought it pretty cool, and if ॐ can have an article, why not ༆.
- However... an admin reading a vote on a RM or RfC by someone signed "□" is likely to just ignore their voice. They think "well if this guy can't be bothered to follow the rules with at leat "□ name" or "༆ name", why the hell should I count their vote? ... Some people don't like my name either in ictu oculi, but using a Latin name allows me to use the same name on German and Italian wikipedia without being "British/American". Please really think about changing your signature settings to read ༆ yig mgo chat to me or something. Because you make good edits and have a lot of sensible things to say, it's a shame to be known as "□". Do you know how to change it?
- Take care, I enjoy talking to you. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:23, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Yig Mgo, could you return to Talk:Buôn Ma Thuột city and confirm that Buôn Ma Thuột with Vietnamese but minus "city" is okay? I think it's clear but someone could misread :) .. Thanks! In ictu oculi (talk) 06:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Near homonyms
Thanks, I have added it on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Vietnamese). Good luck! In ictu oculi (talk) 23:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- I asked you a question there. What do you think? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Re your message
on my Talk page. I responded and asked you a question at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese). Cheers! In ictu oculi (talk) 02:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
For your information
It appears that User:Kauffner has initiated a Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/༆ without informing you. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- I think it is time for a topic ban, no more moves of Vietnamese articles by Kauffner, as long as he does not follow the higher level consensus. I am not a fan of the diacritics, I would vote for removing them. But this should be done by some central discussion. Hopping in and moving articles around may waste a lot of time. And was is really ugly is his arrogant answer to Dr. Blofeld Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vietnam#Capitalization for province names : "Any other requests while you are handing out assignments? I'll hurry right up and put them on my "to do" list. Kauffner (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)". .... NVanMinh (talk) 20:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- I think Seyðisfjörður should be renamed too. NVanMinh (talk) 21:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
- YigMgo old chap, FYI User talk:Yunshui kindly restored your move back to status at A Lưới District. And thanks for creating redirects for my new articles. I really appreciate your work. If you have time please check Vietnamese mythology for mistakes. Thanks!! In ictu oculi (talk) 14:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
How can we go back to the pre-Kauffner status if you are not voting at Talk:An_Giang_province#Requested_move. I think it is consensus of the VIET project to revert to uppercase? It's now over a year that Kauffner had his way. And I thought he would reversion, but on the vote page he again did not show support undoing what he did back in 2011. He knows about the opposition to since "21:24, 11 October 2011". ... NVanMinh (talk) 04:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
You recently created {{History of Israel}} but we already have a template that covers that {{History of Palestine}}. ("Palestine" in this context refers to the region, not the Palestinian territories) and aside from the "Topics" and "Related" sections their covering the same peace of land, and in their present forums almost any article that should be on one should also be on the other. Would you be opposed to merging them? Still otherwise good job. Your template does a much better job at covering the history of the region then {{History of Palestine}} does. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Fixed
Hi, I fixed up the Religion in Vietnam lead with atheism as state religion first as per your request, please take a look. The disparity in the pie chart seems mainly caused by that US institute counting 45% ancestor worship and traditional beliefs as religion, wheras officially that 45% are non-believers. It's a bit of a grey area...
Second question: What do you think is better title chữ nho or chữ Hán? To my mind chữ Hán can still include Japanese and Chinese, but chữ nho is clearly Vietnamese-only, and is what Lonely Planet uses. Do you have any view? Cheers! In ictu oculi (talk) 08:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, Thanks for your quick reply~!. Do you think it should be capitalized? I see some sources like Nghiên cứu Huế Volume 5 - Page 85 Trung tâm nghiên cứu Hué̂ - 2003 with "Từ mười hay mười hai tuổi, các em ấy bắt đầu giúp việc cha xú, đồng thời phải học chữ nho và một ít chữ Latinh," but it's very inconsistent: "nho giáo", "Nho học", "nhà nho", "chữ Nho" ... etc. In English the trend is not to capitalize, like Lonely Planet Vietnam 10 - Page 522 2009 "Both writing systems were in use until the 20th century – official business and scholarship was conducted in chữ nho, while chữ nôm was used for popular literature. The Latin-based quốc ngữ script, widely used since WWI, was developed in ..." but English isn't consistent either. Which do you think? Is there anyone on vi.wp who is an expert? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- Seems like HoangKid and Cheers were slightly in favour of chữ nho/Nho over chữ Hán but not strongly neither am I despite Lonely Planet and the grammars. Incidently I created Institute of Hán-Nôm Studies, do you think the hyphen is required in English?
- As regards Hong Bang dynasty, I agree it's an article that needs jpgs. But the problem is from where. The admin DAJF was just very helpful on the subject of DVD/CD covers but all of those vide/Youtube Hong Bang sources would fail free use - because the article is about the real Hong Bang dynasty. I don't see what we can do, appart maybe from appealing on vi.wp for a vi.wp user to visit a museum and take a digital camera?
- Oh, and out of interest Wikipedia:WikiProject Vietnam/Article alerts has a discussion on category for American Vietnamese actors. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:29, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry (ashamed of en.wp frankly) to tell you - but Kauffner has again made an SPI accuation, and again failed to notify you. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Blocked for sockpuppetry
༆ (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Wikipedia allows a user to have more than one account. I use the 2 accounts separately like 2 different persons. I don't use both accounts support each other in a same page. What rule did I violate? Last year, admin User:EyeSerene knew about my other account but he/she didn't block me because I didn't violate multi-account rule.
Decline reason:
If you have multiple accounts, you must disclose them publicly, even if you are not editing in the same area with them. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 09:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
There is one other thing. Blocks are supposed be used to prevent disruption, not as a punishment. How exactly is this block preventing disruption, what disruption is there that ༆ would have done over the next two weeks that this block will prevent? Maybe there's something I'm missing here, but it seems purely punitive to me. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:58, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I'd still like to know what purpose this block is supposed to serve, i.e. how is it supposed to prevent disruption? Is there some reason to believe that ༆ will use this account to disrupt WP over the next two weeks? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 14:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC)