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Now, as you can see, he did an extensive job of proving your similarities wrong. i would also like to point out that if you go to the palm muting article, it says the technique is most commonly found in thrash, speed and death metal. also, what you said on the SoaD talk page about BYOB and its verses ''everybodys going to the party.....'' being pop-like, those lines are metaphorical. the party is the war, dancing in the desert and blowing up the sunshine is like dropping bombs and going to war in iraq. BYOB stands for bring your own bombs. so i feel that the info box should be limited to alternative metal and the various influences link, and maybe experimental rock due to the different genres and elements they have brought into their music. [[User:Dissectional|Dissectional]] 04:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC) |
Now, as you can see, he did an extensive job of proving your similarities wrong. i would also like to point out that if you go to the palm muting article, it says the technique is most commonly found in thrash, speed and death metal. also, what you said on the SoaD talk page about BYOB and its verses ''everybodys going to the party.....'' being pop-like, those lines are metaphorical. the party is the war, dancing in the desert and blowing up the sunshine is like dropping bombs and going to war in iraq. BYOB stands for bring your own bombs. so i feel that the info box should be limited to alternative metal and the various influences link, and maybe experimental rock due to the different genres and elements they have brought into their music. [[User:Dissectional|Dissectional]] 04:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC) |
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::Hi. Thank you for sending me this message. I have nothing to add to my comments on System of a Down and the [[nu metal]] musical genre, and this is for the simple reason that this will never end. However, I think I will comment on the [[WP:CIVIL|uncivility]] of the Wikipedian who wrote those counter-arguments. Calling my arguments stupid, I can accept. But the user goes on to call me names! This goes against [[WP:CIVIL]], which is an [[WP:PG|Official Policy]] adopted by the Wikipeedia Community. These comments show an incredible amount of immaturity. Finally, the user threatens to harm another article's quality ([[Tool]]) to make a point. If this threat was to be put into execution, it would sound pretty much like something that would go against [[WP:POINT|Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point]], a well known [[:Category:Wikipedia behavioral guidelines|behavioral guideline]] in the Wikipedia Community. The user you describe ([[User:Revan ltrl]]) has had previous disputes with Wikipedians. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mezzanine_%28album%29&diff=prev&oldid=145247861 Here], the user does not take into consideration another user's point of view and does not attempt to reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus|Consensus]] as the Official Wikipedia Policy suggests. The user ends his message with "fuck you", and I don't think I really need to explain how uncivil that is. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Radiohead&diff=prev&oldid=133890941 Here], the user chooses to edit right away before trying to discuss what could be a very important part of the article. He/She claims "we all know" as if ''everyone'' agreed with him/her. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:System_of_a_Down&diff=prev&oldid=150237757 Here], the user claims "It IS the turntables that makes nu-metal nu-metal!", which is factually incorrect (see the [[Nu metal]] article). I'm not going to review all of the user's contributions because I honestly have better to do with my time, but so far, I think that this user's way of editing isn't the worst way to get into trouble. |
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April 2007
Dan Donegan
Nice job with Dan Donegan. Just thought I'd give you some appreciation as your edit summary kind of indicated that you were worried someone would consider you a vandal. :) Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
welcome
THANKS for the welcome message. LizzyNoir 15:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Les Légions Noires
Hey. I noticed that you have moved Les Legions Noires to Les Légions Noires through cut and paste. I agree about the renaming, but it should be done through the move function, to preserve edit history for convenience and GFDL reasons. Since it requires an admin action, I suggest that you list it at WP:RM#Uncontroversial proposals. Thanks, Prolog 17:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Alternative music and sources
As part of the Alternative music WikiProject, we're gathering a list of sources on this page. Could you take a look and perhaps add any written references you have access to? Thanks! CloudNine 10:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey
Hey Romaine! It is indeed I, Ustad Abdul Muhib. Hope you're doing well. I got to watch what I edit on wikipedia, now that my students are looking at some of my work! :-)
No, I miss Morocco a good deal, and all of you :-) Yes, I heard that a number of staff are leaving, but some are staying too. I was actually involved in picking the new bio text, and we were all quite excited about the one you are using this year- I only wish I could have stayed around to use it. As for Yemen, no, I have felt that I need to put that off for awhile, and get over there one day in the future, insha'allah. So for now I'm still in Seattle. Hope all is well with you?
I'm doing admin work for United Way right now; perhaps I'll teach in the future, but I'm not sure when next I'll make it back to Morocco. I had not heard about the planet- missed reading about it- so thank you very much for pointing it out to me!
What?
Hey, I just had a question.
Why do you hate disturbed, system, linkin park, and korn? I think they are effing great. just wanted to know why.
Sacrublood 216.87.243.242 17:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
sorry for not signing
Лёха Фурсов: Sacrublood 17:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to VandalProof!
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Zouavman Le Zouave! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Ale_Jrbtalk 17:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Alternative music WikiProject newsletter
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May 2007
Korn
I can understand why you removed Dirge form Korn's genre list, but why acoustic? Acoustic has become apart of Korn and their live perfomences and I believe it should be listed. Also the Fantômas have no relation to Korn, other than Terry Bozzio who toured with Fantômas for less than one tour. The Fantômas should be removed and I also believe Otep should be removed because Rob Patterson was never an offical member and never helped Korn write any music.
ROSALES 27 05:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well I guess you're right about the "acoustic" part. My apologies. I guess I'll remove Fantômas from the list of associated bands as well, unless someone did it before me. I don't know about OTEP so I will probably discuss it on the discussion page. Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 09:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
AWB regexps
I added some parentheses to your heavy metal addition to AWB Typo fixes. If you have a $1 in the replacement text, it corresponds to the text captured by the first set of parentheses in the match. AWB's own replacement section has the capability to test your regexps for you, which you should use before adding them to the Typo list, just to be sure they work. Yours at least compiled; some additions (missing a closing parenthesis usually) generate an error when AWB loads them. Cheers! -- JHunterJ 13:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Dude
dude just wondering if you hate disturbed so much why edit it so much?GuyDoe 23:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I haven't edited it in a while actually. ^^ The reason why I edited that page was because I felt like there was a neutrality issue, where the reader was simply told they were metal, when many people disagree with that judgement. I am often asked why I edit articles with subjects I don't like, and my answer is generally the same: I try to keep my opinions out of the way when I edit something. By editing the article, I am editing Wikipedia, not the subject of the article. If I messed up the article about Disturbed, for example, it would mess up Wikipedia, not the band. And since I love Wikipedia, I try not to do anything stupid. Hope that helps. Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 06:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
that makes sence. how did you come to read the article in the first placeGuyDoe 21:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well I had heard their stuff before, and I had heard of them quite a bit, so at some point I was like "let's see what the Disturbed article says", and I ended up there. ^^ Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 06:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thanksGuyDoe 20:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
System of a Down
its about system being called nu metal. i feel that maybe their first album had some similarities with nu metal, but even then, they still were missing a lot of nu metals main traits, ie. rapping, turntables, more personal lyrical themes. with all of that being different, i find it hard for system to be classified as nu metal. also, i think there sound has changed a lot. its more melodic and is no where near nu metal. i think that since there sound has evolved so much that nu metal shouldn't really be brought up. basically, the only reason they were classified as nu metal in the first place is because they came up around that time. if you compare them with bands like limp bizkit, korn, even slipknot, they don't sound the same at all really. also, you said they have a nu metal fan base. soad is my favourite band, and i don't listen to nu metal at all. my fav bands include Tool, The Mars Volta, Opeth and RATM(even though they include rapping). i know it may be easy to find sources saying they are nu metal, but its only because they came up around the nu metal boom and people just thought "all the other metal out right now is nu metal, so these guys are no different". hopefully you can see why most soad fans agree that they aren't nu metal. i agree with you that they aren't really avant-garde metal though. at least we agree on something ;). 74.124.28.243 21:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for leaving me a message on my talk page (it's always pleasant to get mail ^^). I have read your arguments and I wish to just give you some things to think about. You say that since they sound different from Slipknot and Limp Bizkit, they must not be nu metal. But do Slipknot and Limp Bizkit sound much alike? I think that SoaD's sound is as different from Slipknot's as Limp Bizkit is different from Slipknot. You also say that sources state they are nu metal because they popped up at the same time as Korn & other nu metal bands. I disagree. I classified them as nu metal from the first moment I heard their album (their first one), and I didn't even know they were around during the nu metal boom. If other people like me (there are many) classify them as nu metal because of their sound, then it's not because of the time period. I feel that the article is fine as it is. The genre dispute section is made for the purpose of informing the reader of the debate, and so far, I think it's doing an okay job at it. Anyways, by time is running out! ^^ Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 21:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
how do you see system of a down as unintelligent music? just wondering.74.124.28.243 22:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Dragan
Hi ZLZ, I notice that you have created a sub-page about your band at User:Zouavman Le Zouave/Dragan. Wikipedia is not a web hosting service, and the page appears to fall afoul of this policy. From WP:NOT - "Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they may be used only to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. If you are looking to make a personal webpage or blog, please make use of one of the many free providers on the Internet." Standard practice is to have a link to an external site from your webpage rather than use Wikipedia to promote or showcase your own company, band, invention etc. If you could check out WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site I think you'll agree. The "soft landing" to this would be to redirect the page to your userpage, and include a quick mention and link (I play in a band called Dragan which you can check out at somespace.com/dragan" would be fine). Presenting userpages as Wikipedia articles, complete with bluelinks to userpages, redlinks to your friends, article infoboxes, WP:MOS formatting etc. is especially frowned upon. Also, your sub page at User:Zouavman Le Zouave/Stuff appears to contain nothing that could not appropriately be condensed or discarded and included on your userpage. It's fine to have a "workspace" type sub-page, but much of the information here really strays into blog/myspace territory.
Please don't take this as anything other than a routine policy matter, or see it as negatively related to our current conversation at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of avant-garde metal musical groups. You're clearly a dedicated Wikipedian with great taste in music :) Deiz talk 12:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hey mate, thanks for warning me. Yes I did create that subpage, but is it really a problem? I mean, should we really propose it for deletion? I've been keeping this page for quite a while, it hasn't been a problem... I don't know. Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 22:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hi again, thanks for getting back to me.. Alas, they're against policy and really have to go... as noted above, I recommend you redirect both pages to your userpage and think carefully about what is appropriate on your userpage and how to present it... I'm not dying to take this to MfD but it could end up there. Deiz talk 02:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I put them as speedy deletion to speed up the process ^^. Yeah Ido is a pretty wonderful language. Too bad so few people actually speak it fluently. I've created some pages on the Ido Wikipedia, but my lack of vocabulary makes it hard :p Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 13:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Bungle
Awesome, thanks for taking a look, I look forward to your comments or any changes you think might improve the article. Mr Bungle 06:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
June 2007
Your sandbox
During recent changes patrol I noticed this. I like the template, it looks good. Navou 16:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks :) I'm hoping to make a more professional looking userpage. ^^ Glad you like it! Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 16:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
golden rule
I removed an entry from the Golden Rule disamb page intentionally and the edit summary explained why I removed it. Did you revert it without checking the edit summary? Are you disagreeing with the accuracy of the removal? Please actually examine changes before reverting them, if you didn't. I'm going to unrevert, on the theory that the revert was an accident; if you disagree with the change, revert again if you must, but please discuss the issue at Talk:Golden Rule. In general, one should not use rollback tools like VP for reversions of this type (see WP:REVERT).
75.62.6.237 23:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I can live with you know not knowing a thing about Alfred Deller (that requires education and musical taste) but your comments on the Talk are seriously wrong. First, the article very clearly is not a stub; second, the editors you are arguing with are vastly more experienced than you are. Please endeavour to acquire a clue. Guy (Help!) 18:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- I see this is a widespread problem. You need to read articles before rating them, or simply leave the rating blank and not edit war if people change ratings. It's pretty arbitrary anyway. Guy (Help!) 20:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Please oh please
Can you not use that new sig. Its huge, unwieldy and very hard to read. Thanks. ViridaeTalk 07:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- No offense but WP:SIG does not seem to forbid that. I do not use any images or templates, and my signature doesn't take much space in the editing box. I will make it smaller but I will keep the font, if you don't mind. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 10:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, good. :) I would just like to point out that other users have much bigger signatures and that mine really isn't a problem. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 10:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
hey, man!!
Sorry i took so long in getting back to you about ur message. Thanx for ur very lengthy and informative comment :-). However, I just think the label nu metal is just used to label bands they don't like. Maybe we should just create a new name for Disturbed like music... How about disturbed metal? The reason I like Disturbed, Korn, and System of a Down, is cause I can actually hear the words when they sing, and understand what they are talking about, as opposed to music like Slipknot (Though I have nothing against them ;). I like loud, fast music that u can drive like a maniac to, or get in a fight with... Tell me, when you hear Down with Sickness, don't you just want to get in a fight with someone, or do some crazy s@#t?
But that's just my personal opinion. I have nothing against u dude, I just don't like that label.
Get back to me!!
Лёха Фурсов: Sacrublood 16:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Old Friends from Young Years
i see u edited this albums page, do u have a copy of this album>?
- No, I do not have a copy of this album. The edit I made was simply a capitalization correction that I have made on many articles. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 10:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Ratings without recommendations
Dear Zouavman Le Zouave,
Please do not install boxes rating biography articles without first reading them carefully and making suggestions for improvement. If you use a bot to produce these boxes indiscriminately, you're not accomplishing anything, other than to annoy your fellow editors.
Sincerely, Opus33 17:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Slander, external links, and inappropiate sources
Hello Zouave, I've recently noticed that you have been reverting a series of my edits claiming them as vandalism. I think we both know that my edits were not vandalism, and calling them so is slander. While you may disagree with my edits this does not warrant you the right to call them vandalism.
In my edit summaries I have explained why I removed those external links and sources, but just in case you haven't been reading them, do read WP:EL and WP:RS. Metal-archives.com is not a reliable source since it is user edited. It can be used as a source of opinion, but not to source something claimed as a fact. Also, if an article already has enough content or external links, there is no need to spam the page with unnecessary links. --Leon Sword 21:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Help Desk Assignment
I was looking over the help desk, and couldn't find any posts from you on there. I'm looking forward to awarding you a barnstar when you reach 200 users helped. To get you started, I'm posting a question there about the assessment drive. The Transhumanist 02:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for your concern. In fact, I have not yet helped anyone. The help desks and reference desks that I could possibly help in were in my watchlist for a while, but several things came in my way. First, there was the assessment drive, which took a lot of my time and attention, and most importantly, I did not have access to the internet for about two weeks. Therefore, I could not contribute to Wikipedia as much (apart from some little apparitions during my free time at school). Now, my internet is back, and I am not spending too much time on the assessment drive, so I will see if I can help any users on the help desks and other pages. However, I will probably not reach 200 users helped after a long time. My point is to see how I can help users, not trying desperately to get a barnstar. ^^ Thanks a lot for reminding me! ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 12:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
July 2007
Service award
Just to let you know, you qualify for this. This award is strictly based on how long you have been on Wikipedia and your edit count. Congrats! --BrokenSphere 23:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Talk:The Weather Channel (United States)
Could you please explain why you placed the {{WPBiography}} template on this page? I don't see how it qualifies as a biography. --Spring Rubber 00:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Oh I see what I did. I did a mistake; sorry, my bad. Let me explain to you. I often go in the Category:Unassessed biography articles to assess articles for the Biography WikiProject. The category lists talk pages of articles who have not been assessed yet. One of those talk pages was that of an article that redirected to The Weather Channel (United States), so when I made my assessment, the template went on The Weather Channel talk page, and not on the talk page of the redirect page. When I noticed that the talk page I thought that I assessed was that of a redirect page, I put a speedy deletion template on the redirect page talk page, but did not think that my assessment could have gone on the wrong talk page. I have now reverted my erroneous edit. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks a lot for warning me! :) ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 02:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Sandbox
It's quite humorous that you left me a warning message telling me to use the sandbox for test edits, when the page I edited was a sandbox page. Everyone is free to edit and/or blank sandbox pages, since their purpose is just test edits. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, and I mean no offense by this, you are wrong. WP:BLANK esplains it all. Notice that it says "no blank pages" which makes no distinction between encyclopedic and non-encyclopedic content. The sandbox is used for test edits, yes. The sandbox subpages, not necessarily. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- For the simple reason which is that they are not the same page. It's as simple as that. I have never labeled your contributions as vandalism, at least as of now. Leave the page as it is. If the page gets deleted through the MfD, then so be it. But until then, leave it as it is. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- Therefore I am free to revert your edits. It can be a very useless waste of time. ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Smile
Mallcore
Would you like the content through email or would you like me to paste it to a subpage of your userpage? Natalie 16:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for sending me this message. I think that sending the content through email would be best. My email is [email removed] com. (please erase the email from the talk page after you have sent it). Thanks a lot! ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 17:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Boo
Quite a rise you took on since i last came by. Ever thought about applying for adminship? :) ~ | twsx | talkcont | 13:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Hey there!
- Thanks for the message. :) I would not mind being administrator, but I do not think I am quite ready for the whole nomination process; I have a lot to improve on. I will maybe go through some admin coaching, but it's only a vague idea in my mind at this stage. Plus, I do not quite feel I need the administrative privileges at this point to improve my work on Wikipedia. However, this may change in a couple of months. ^^
- Zouavman Le Zouave 16:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Alright. :) If you ever feel you're ready, and you don't happen to have a more credible user (shouldn't be hard to find though), tell me, i'd nominate you. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 18:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
August 2007
Reply
I blocked him before I started reverting. :)
—Kurykh 19:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
System of a Down and Nu Metal
I have read some of your comments both on the SoaD talk page, as well as other user pages, and i still feel they are not a Nu Metal band. I would also like to point out that you mention SoaD labeling themselves as a metal band, but in reality they don't beleive they are a metal band, which is cited in the band's article. I think User:Revan made some good points responding to your thoughts of why you think SoaD fits Nu Metal. He's a little rude at times, though.^^ Here is what he said:
I read the similarities that guy did between nu-metal and SOAD. First of all, I laughed out loud while reading them, your point being as shallow as glass, ignorant and plain stupid. What the hell are you trying to do, you little wiki-nerd. I HAVE AN IDEA! Why don't we compare another band to the nerd's genre-definitions. Like... TOOL! Yea, let's turn Tool into a nu-metal band! Hm.. 'motivating a crowd to move with the beat'. Check. On the song 'Vicarious' singer Maynard James Keenan repeatedly sings with a raised fist (lyrics being generally angsty and somewhat hostile) 'why can't we just admit it, why can't we just admit it' with a very, very catchy 5/4 guitar/bass/drum-pattern in the background. I sure get motivated to move with the beat. Nu-metal!
Hm.. Guitarists making use of liberal palm muting. Man, If you tried to make yourself look like a fool, you succeeded. ALL OF METAL USE PALM MUTING!! Then, according to you, all metal bands in the world should be called nu-metal! Has it ever occured to you that maybe, uh, a band called, like, BLACK SABBATH influenced some metal bands in the world with that technique? You might as well say, like, 'Nu-metal makes use of distortioned guitars, whereas SOAD is a nu-metal band'. And Tool too, making more than just a liberal use of it. Check!
Hm.. First of all, B.Y.O.B. is dropped C#, a tuning which Tony Iommi used on 1972's genre-defining masterpiece 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath'. Tool also have dropped guitars. And probably EVERY FUCKING METAL BAND IN THE WORLD! Not every, but you get my point. Once again making a fool out of yourself. Check! Hm.. Yea, solos. Tool guitarist Adam Jones does even fewer solos than Daron Malakian, which basically (according to you) makes Adam more nu-metal than Daron. You claim that the solos that are there don't emphasize on technicality and that most metal bands do that in general. Once again, making yourself look like a fool. I suspect your metal-knowledge doesn't reach any further than Iron Maiden's 'Belly of the Beast' or Sabbath's 'Paranoid'. Have you even hard Daron's solo on 'Lonely Day'? That's a hell of a technichal performance, if you ask me. Much more technically difficult than Adam's solo on 'Jambi'. Hell, it's going real good for Tool here! Check!
Hm.. 'Nu metal bands often feature aggressive vocals that range from melodic singing akin to pop and rock, guttural screaming and shouting from various forms of metal, hardcore punk, and rapping'. You say that the link between the VERBAL DECORATIONS on 'Chop Suey' should be considered. I'm turning you into a retard, sorry, but when one relies that much on a stupid article and with, obviously, no knowledge at all, it's hard to avoid. Tool will have no problem with this one. The 'rapping' and guttural screaming on 'Ticks & Leeches' is, like, nu-metal. Not to mention the contrasts between soft vocals and pure screaming on 'The Grudge'. Not to mention the 'rapping' on 'Rosetta Stoned'!! Geez, this covers a hell of alot bands. Nine Inch Nails! Nu-metal?? Nu-metal! Hm.. Yea, the song structure thing. The only 'nu-metal characteristic' (lol) that Tool ain't THAT big part of.. But we can't forget the verses on 'The Pot' and the many different verses and choruses on 'The Patient', 'Parabola', 'Ticks & Leeches' and the title song 'Lateralus' from 'Lateralus. In case you didn't know, man, verses and choruses existed a hundred years ago and your point weighs as much as helium. Geez, it's barely worth commenting.
Hm.. 'It is generally louder in the instrumental parts and the choruses than in the verses'. FOR FUCK'S SAKE! IS THIS ALL YOU GOT?! Oh man.. what a big genius you are, it's louder in the chorus than in the verse... Yea, wikipedia deals with absolutes, didn't you know? Hmm.. so to prove Tool also does this. Listen to the title song on 'Lateralus', you'll hear that the chorus is louder than the verse.
Hm.. Yea, Serj Tankian's work with other artists, nu-metal artists and hip hop artists. THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED. WHAT A BAND MEMBER DOES OUTSIDE THE BAND DOESN'T MATTER! Did you know that Serj also've worked with Tool? In your case, that's a CLEAR proof to add 'progressive metal' to SOAD's infobox. Saul Williams did guest vocals on Nine Inch Nail's latest album, let's call Trent Reznor a hip hopper!
'Now with all these similarities between System of a Down and the nu metal sound and scene, I think that it is more than legitimate that nu metal remains in the infobox while progressive metal departs it'. Well, I object. I object as hell! These so called 'similarities' are as cheap as Bush is intelligent. If you all are okay with this, I'll go right away and add 'nu-metal' on Tool's infobox. Because what the fool did was stupid as hell, pure incompetence, relying on a stupid, shallow article. What we all know is that SOAD is an organic band with organic sounds. Their sounds and atmospheres don't recall the studio over-production that flourish Nu-metal, SOAD's atmosphere recall politics and action, in the name of themes, and influences from armeninan, greek and world music, pure creative freedom, in the name of music. As far as Mezmerize/Hypnotize go, they're a hell lot of more prog metal, than their previous albums are nu-metal, which they are not.Revan ltrl 23:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Now, as you can see, he did an extensive job of proving your similarities wrong. i would also like to point out that if you go to the palm muting article, it says the technique is most commonly found in thrash, speed and death metal. also, what you said on the SoaD talk page about BYOB and its verses everybodys going to the party..... being pop-like, those lines are metaphorical. the party is the war, dancing in the desert and blowing up the sunshine is like dropping bombs and going to war in iraq. BYOB stands for bring your own bombs. so i feel that the info box should be limited to alternative metal and the various influences link, and maybe experimental rock due to the different genres and elements they have brought into their music. Dissectional 04:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hi. Thank you for sending me this message. I have nothing to add to my comments on System of a Down and the nu metal musical genre, and this is for the simple reason that this will never end. However, I think I will comment on the uncivility of the Wikipedian who wrote those counter-arguments. Calling my arguments stupid, I can accept. But the user goes on to call me names! This goes against WP:CIVIL, which is an Official Policy adopted by the Wikipeedia Community. These comments show an incredible amount of immaturity. Finally, the user threatens to harm another article's quality (Tool) to make a point. If this threat was to be put into execution, it would sound pretty much like something that would go against Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, a well known behavioral guideline in the Wikipedia Community. The user you describe (User:Revan ltrl) has had previous disputes with Wikipedians. Here, the user does not take into consideration another user's point of view and does not attempt to reach Consensus as the Official Wikipedia Policy suggests. The user ends his message with "fuck you", and I don't think I really need to explain how uncivil that is. Here, the user chooses to edit right away before trying to discuss what could be a very important part of the article. He/She claims "we all know" as if everyone agreed with him/her. Here, the user claims "It IS the turntables that makes nu-metal nu-metal!", which is factually incorrect (see the Nu metal article). I'm not going to review all of the user's contributions because I honestly have better to do with my time, but so far, I think that this user's way of editing isn't the worst way to get into trouble.
- Anyways, have a nice time editing!
Zouavman Le Zouave 05:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)