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IN REMOVING TALK PAGE ACCESS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT GROW UP AND UNBOCK ME I DID NOT CONTINUE WITH THE THREATS BUT YOU DID MY DEAR UNBLOCK MY TALK PAGE AND THEN APPLOGOISE FOR HUMAN RIGHT INFRINGMENT |
Revision as of 13:09, 13 March 2013
Maitre d' Invitation
Hohoho!!!
By the way, get well soon (or if you've already gotten well, enjoy the hols!)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonkers The Clown (talk • contribs) 04:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Pratyya Ghosh
First draft ready
Hey, Yunshui! The first draft of your request is ready for testing; check it out at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/userHistory.js. Let me know what you think. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, it is a total replacement for ale_jrb's original userhist script (most of the code is actually the same), so be sure to remove that script before trying this one out. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- That is SO AWESOME! Pretty much exactly what we need. I've tried it on a couple of pages now and it works like a dream. A whole bunch of lecturers are going to be very grateful to you - as am I. Yunshui 雲水 23:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- Heh, I'm glad you like it. Just a minor point, though: you don't have to copy the entire script over to your common.js page; you can just write
importScript("User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/userHistory.js");
, and it'll do the hard work for you. Keeps your js pages a bit neater, and you get updates automatically. No big deal, though. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)- But... all the pretty colours...
- Hey, I've also realised this is going to be really handy for anti-vandal work and general admin stuff; having all a user's edits to a page in one place will make reviewing histories a hell of a lot quicker, especially on my laggy machine. Yunshui 雲水 23:36, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- I know, the pretty colors are nice, but then you don't get the nifty new feature that I just added, which lets you hide and re-show the diff display at will after loading it the first time, through just clicking the button again. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've changed it now. Still very excited about putting this to use. Yunshui 雲水 08:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally (and this a case in point as to why you should never do anything for anybody, ever), is there a way to adjust it so that the Inspect Edit button is available in the general history, as well as the segregated one? Yunshui 雲水 08:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Aaaand that was the other thing I'd figure you would ask for. It's actually not as easy as it sounds; right now, the script catches the new lines as they're being created and adds the buttons as they go by, but with the standard history screen, we have to find them and get information out of them after the fact. Should still be possible (and not too difficult), so I'll work on it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:06, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Well don't herniate yourself in the process; since you've already given me a magical flying horse it seems a bit churlish for me to complain that it isn't a unicorn. What we have now is already a hugely useful tool (and the addition of Inspect Edit to the general history wouldn't be of any use to WEP instructors, so it's extraneous to the original design brief). Yunshui 雲水 14:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, it turned out to be really easy; Mediawiki turned out to have exactly the information I needed, for a change. Refreshing change of pace. The new script is at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/generalHistory.js; importScript as usual. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Well don't herniate yourself in the process; since you've already given me a magical flying horse it seems a bit churlish for me to complain that it isn't a unicorn. What we have now is already a hugely useful tool (and the addition of Inspect Edit to the general history wouldn't be of any use to WEP instructors, so it's extraneous to the original design brief). Yunshui 雲水 14:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Aaaand that was the other thing I'd figure you would ask for. It's actually not as easy as it sounds; right now, the script catches the new lines as they're being created and adds the buttons as they go by, but with the standard history screen, we have to find them and get information out of them after the fact. Should still be possible (and not too difficult), so I'll work on it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:06, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally (and this a case in point as to why you should never do anything for anybody, ever), is there a way to adjust it so that the Inspect Edit button is available in the general history, as well as the segregated one? Yunshui 雲水 08:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've changed it now. Still very excited about putting this to use. Yunshui 雲水 08:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- I know, the pretty colors are nice, but then you don't get the nifty new feature that I just added, which lets you hide and re-show the diff display at will after loading it the first time, through just clicking the button again. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Heh, I'm glad you like it. Just a minor point, though: you don't have to copy the entire script over to your common.js page; you can just write
- That is SO AWESOME! Pretty much exactly what we need. I've tried it on a couple of pages now and it works like a dream. A whole bunch of lecturers are going to be very grateful to you - as am I. Yunshui 雲水 23:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- Dude. That is the creepiest unicorn I've ever seen. How many people has that one impaled on his horn and devoured (and apparently used their blood as eyedrops?) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Those medieval beastiaries didn't mess about; a unicorn to them was basically a pointy horse with anger management issues... Yunshui 雲水 14:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Unicorns have a bit of a thing for those eyedrops --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Those medieval beastiaries didn't mess about; a unicorn to them was basically a pointy horse with anger management issues... Yunshui 雲水 14:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Writ Keeper, this is really cool! I have two suggestions that might make it more useful for instructors trying to grade their students' contributions. First, a way to expand all the diffs at once, instead of having to click on "inspect" for each one. Second, add a link that would appear next to each article listed in the Students table on a course page, which links directly to the isolated contributions by that student to the article. I don't know how tough either of those would be to add, but I think between the two of them, those features would make it a tool that a lot of instructors would want to use.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hey, Sage! Having them all click together was the original idea, but requesting that many diffs at once is an expensive server call; I've been advised that one at a time (and there's a synchronization lock to make sure one request can't start while another is running), so I'd rather not do that idea. I'll take a look at your other suggestion, but in the meantime, this might help: User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/contribsHistory.js. It's the same as above, but it now works on a user's contributions. I figured three's a charm. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Awesome! The third one will certainly be useful for instructors too. I think I'll make a screencast showing how to install and use these for reviewing student contribution. Let me know if want to implement suggestion 2 or not, when you get a chance. (If so, I'll wait until then to make the screencast.)--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm gonna give it a shot. Should be done by the end of the day. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Well, to my surprise, the functionality needed to do this was already built into Ale jrb's script; since I based userHistory.js off of that, it's already ready to go. It's just a question of adding the right buttons to the table. Basically, the buttons need to link to this url:
/w/index.php?title=(whatever the page name is)&action=history&isolate=(whatever the user's name is)
. Both of those values need to be URL encoded, which can be done with a substed magic word. Do you know how I'd add a button like that, or at least where to go to do it? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I don't, but I'll ask Jeroen (the extension developer). If the necessary hooks aren't there now, we could probably add them.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 16:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Awesome! The third one will certainly be useful for instructors too. I think I'll make a screencast showing how to install and use these for reviewing student contribution. Let me know if want to implement suggestion 2 or not, when you get a chance. (If so, I'll wait until then to make the screencast.)--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Yunshui et al., UI question: I'm finding the button style I used to be a bit big and clunky. Are y'all finding the same? I'm considering changing it to a bracketed-link type deal, similar to the rollback links provided by the rollback permissions and Twinkle. Thoughts? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:59, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- For regularly editors who are using these scripts as just another addition to their toolkit, yeah, the big buttons are out of place. I think they are just right, though, for instructors who are going in with the very specific purpose of looking at a whole lot of edits using one of these scripts.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, that makes sense; I'll try to create an opt-in system for shrinking the UI then. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, done. The scripts will appear with the normal button by default, but if you add the line
inlineDiffSmallUI = true;
into your common.js file (or whatever .js file you're importing the scripts into), it'll switch to a Twinkle-like [inspect diff] kind of look (and will also switch to the more jargon-y "diff" rather than "edit"; slightly more precise, but slightly more confusing to a newbie). Thoughts? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Sweet. I'll try the 'diff' version.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- New versions! I've actually made two: one extends this to the watchlist and the recentchanges page; the other is a consolidated version of all four scripts except for the original history filter one; I'd recommend removing the generalHistory and contribsHistory and replacing them with User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/commonHistory.js, as it's a bit cleaner and more standardized. The smallui thing still works, and you still need the userHistory.js script if you want the history filter. Let me know what y'all think! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 04:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- (ping) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Introduction for Theater History from 1642 (Spring '13)
Yunshui,
Hello.
I am a student editor from Brooklyn College Theater History from 1642 (Spring '13).
I am introducing myself as part of the initial wikipedia assignment.
Cheers,
Bufoamer (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I too am introducing myself... I'm Eric Parness. Hello!
--Eparness (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello Yunshui-
I am here to introduce myself; My name is Emily Blumenauer and I am in Professor Hughes History class. I will most likely be needing a lot of your help managing this wikipedia process!
Thank you
Emily BlumenauerEmilyBlume (talk) 18:40, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I am Changdae. Nice to meet you. I am also in this class.
Changdae — Preceding unsigned comment added by Changdaey (talk • contribs) 23:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui!
My name is Slava. I'm in Theater History class. Sorry for introducing myself a little bit late. I would like to participate in Wikipedia project. Thanks.Iaroslavny (talk) 02:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi guys, and welcome aboard. I think (if I've got the time difference right) that you're probably in class as I write this, and since I'm off to bed now you won't hear from me again for a bit. However, to assuage your (especially Emily's!) fears; don't worry: editing is not that hard (as some of you have already discovered), you cannot possibly break Wikipedia, and any mistakes you might make can easily be fixed. The vast majority of this sites 18-million or so editors are nice, helpful, friendly people, and we're ready to offer you whatever assistance you might need. Enjoy your class, and happy editing! Yunshui 雲水 23:35, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Sergio Michel - Sock Puppet Investigation
Just wanted to let you know that there is an error in the write up for the sock puppet investigation page for user Auggie Paoli.
My username appears under "Suspected Sockpuppets" on the above Sockpuppet Investigation page. My username is lumped in with other accounts that are "hell bent on preserving the page" when in reality I was the one that inserted the speedy deletion tag and edited the entry so it would adhere to wikipedia's reliable sources guidelines and removing irrelevant information.
It's possible that my username was lumped in because I was making edits to the page. So to reiterate, I inserted the speedy deletion tags, so I am not sure why I am listed as a user that is trying to preserve the existence of that wikipedia entry.
Cheers,
- If I was in error, then I apologise. When a new account appears and uses their very first edits to repeatedly add speedy deletion tags to an already disputed article, it tends to sound a number of alarm bells. Firstly, CSD is a relatively arcane area of Wikipedia, and new editors don't usually know about it - it's not unheard of for an editor's earliest contributions to be speedy deletion tags, but it's exceedingly rare. Secondly, prior to your tagging a number of single-purpose accounts had protested the deletion of earlier versions of the page - for you to show up very shortly after I had informed Lilly4613 that I was not deleting the article looks rather suspicious; given the drama already surrounding the page, it was not inconceivable that Lilly4613/AuggiePaoli/Sergio Michel had created a new account with which to propose their chosen article for deletion, in order to continue the argument and further escalate the article's notoriety. This is not an unheard of occurrence, especially with Wikipedia subjects seeking to boost their online profile.
- Once again, if I am mistaken and you are not working in concert with Michel of his fanbase, then I wholeheartedly apologise. The investigation has cleared you of sockpuppetry, so you have no cause for further concern on this front. Yunshui 雲水 08:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Possible advertising
Going through the new user list and I came across User:THE_SHOW_MAKERS. The content on the user page seems to suggest that this account is only going to be used for promotional purposes. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 19:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'd just like to second this, ask for a db-blahblahwhateverthecodeis SD of it and a stern warning :) gwickwiretalkedits 22:33, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- I mentioned this on the help desk to try to lighten Yunshui's load a bit. ;) --76.189.111.199 (talk) 01:24, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Update: an admin just deleted the account. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 01:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Removal of red link at Vegas (TV series)
Yunshui, an editor redlinked an actor's name, Michael Wiseman, in Vegas (TV series) yesterday. After researching the actor's background, I felt the red link was totally appropriate. However, another editor removed the red link a few minutes later.[1] I added it back citing WP:REDLINK and, in particular, WP:REDDEAL, which says "a red link should be allowed to remain in an article if it links to a term that could plausibly sustain an article". This actor currently not only has a significant role on this major TV program, which is not in dispute, I discovered that he has also acted in 65 other TV shows, per this great source I found. Therefore, it is clearly "plausible" that he could sustain an article. In fact, I think it is probable. Also, the red link for this actor currently links to five other articles.[2] So I added back the red link and gave a full edit summary pointing out these facts. The editor who first removed it did not add it back after reading my edit summary, which made me happy. However, another editor, Rusted_AutoParts ignored the edit summary and policy, and removed the red link two times; his only reason is that the red link is "unsightly",[3] which I explained is certainly not a valid reason and, most importantly, is contrary to the policy. I have not added the red link back because I do not want to get in an edit war over this. If my thinking is wrong on this matter, please let me know. But if not, can you please help to get that red link restored? Thank you. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 22:09, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- I hope Yunshui hasn't retired! :P --76.189.111.199 (talk) 22:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- Not retired, just not often around at weekends... Whilst I agree with your position regarding the above issue, I think the simplest solution would be to just knock together an article and bluelink the guy. Sourcing's a pain, due to the multiple other Michael Wisemans out there, but I reckon I can throw up a stub later on today, based on what I've found so far. Give me a few hours and I'll get it sorted. Yunshui 雲水 08:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Here you go: Michael Wiseman. Link it up, and feel free to expand it as you see fit. Yunshui 雲水 08:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Wow. You are an amazing administrator. I honestly can't believe you took the time to do that in order to resolve this matter. I'm very impressed and appreciative. Thank you so much, Yunshui. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 15:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Update: I've expanded the Wiseman article. :) --76.189.111.199 (talk) 17:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
hi
Does an edit like this require a revision delete? --LemonTwinkle 10:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I reckon that counts as "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material that has no encyclopedic or project value". I've deleted the revisions, and blocked the user for good measure - possibly a little heavy-handed, but no-one making that sort of edit is likely to be here for any constructive purpose. Thanks for waving the flag. Yunshui 雲水 10:23, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- For future reference, is there an official page where I can request revision deletes? --LemonTwinkle 10:24, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- A decision was taken fairly early on not to have a central page for such requests (it would serve to publicise the offending edits). Most admins will consider it if asked, and there's a specific list of Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests you can choose from. Yunshui 雲水 10:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The best South Park episode
You recently speedily deleted The best South Park episode under criterion R3, but that criterion is explicitly for "Recently created redirects...". The best South Park episode redirect was created in March 2011, which is not recent by any reasonable interpretation (it is usually taken to mean younger than a couple of weeks).
Given that the redirect was tagged for G11, for which it was eligible (although I personally wouldn't have deleted it under that criterion doing so is well within judgement) your choice of such an obviously incorrect rationale is baffling. Thryduulf (talk) 10:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Whoops - yes, good point. I guess I assumed that such a blatantly inappropriate redirect must have been a recent creation, so didn't check the history as I usually would. If you want me to reinstate it and re-delete under G11 instead (I felt that was a bit of a stretch, myself), I'm happy to do so; just say the word. Otherwise, I'm happy to IAR and leave it be if you are. Yunshui 雲水 10:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Yoga pronunciation issue
Hi! I've replied to your post [here]. Kindly address! Thanks a ton! --therash09 (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
re: Speedy deletion of Jonas Samuelle
Hi Yunshui! I notice that you have deleted Jonas Samuelle for violating A7. I agree that the article in its previous form needed to be more thorough but I believe that Jonas Samuelle meets the notability requirements. His books have been reviewed on at least a few reliable web sites. Vasily Kafanov, a famous artist who has worked with The Smashing Pumpkins, did the illustration on his first book. I would like an opportunity to improve the article. Would you be willing to provisionally restore it for me?
Jikbag (talk) 23:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- I hate to break it to you, but your idea of what constitutes a reliable website is in considerable conflict with Wikipedia's (none of the links you've provided meet the reliable source guideline). Even if they were reliable sources, they would be insufficient to attest to Samuelle's suitability for inclusion - notability is not inherited, so coverage of his book does not equate to coverage of him (nor does a loose association with a moderately famous artist), and a first-person interview is self-evidently not an independent source. However, I'm willing to assume that you may have other sources that would suffice to meet the inclusion guidelines, so I'll restore the page to your userspace; you can find it at User:Jikbag/Jonas Samuelle. Please don't return it to mainspace until you have a bare minimum of two reliable (i.e. not blogs), independent (i.e. not interviews) sources that discuss Sammuelle (separately from his book) in some depth. Yunshui 雲水 08:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Forgotten Password
Hi Yunshui,
Sorry to bug you, but I may have forgotten the password for my account, Kevin12xd. I can provide you with the hash key on my Userpage if you need it. Any ideas as to what I could do? Cheers, 174.114.129.113 (talk) 00:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the essay about Vandalism
I really appreciated your advice in the essay. I already knew a lot of the ideas and am using them daily. What I really am confused about though, is how to report vandalism to Cluebot NG as I often see False positive? Report it Thanks Cluebot in the reason for your edit entry. I have tried but the Report it part ends up being highlighted in red and I don't think I've actually reported an example. I hope you can reply soon I now have you on my watchlist. Thanks again. Jodosma (talk) 08:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Jodosma. I'm glad the information was helpful. You don't actually report vandalism to ClueBot; it's an automated script that detects vandalism and reverts it - you can think of ClueBot as a very single-minded fellow editor whose only interest is antivandalism (or, if you're more technically minded, see here). You can report false positives - instances where ClueBot has made a mistake and reverted a genuine edit - to the page User:ClueBot NG/FalsePositives, but there's no need to report vandalism to the bot. It finds plenty of that by itself (I seem to recall seeing a statistic somewhere that claimed ClueBot dealt with about 70% of all the vandalism on Wikipedia!). Yunshui 雲水 08:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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Request
Hello Yunshui, if you can remember some months back you declined my auto patrolled request because I didn't have references to many articles which I created. Now, I have improved and added references to most of the articles which I have created til now. However, there are also few articles which I don't have references since it's very hard to find for those because they are films which are released in the past (before 1990) and for those there are no sources to be found. Many of the articles I have created til now have yet not been marked as reviewed/auto patrolled. Since I create(d) many articles and also that many articles which are yet to be reviewed so I believe that auto reviewer is the best option for me to solve the article problems.
I hope you will consider my request. If you believe that I will misuse the right, then you can anytime revoke that. Thanks Torreslfchero (talk) 10:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Torreslfchero. I do appreciate your addition of further sources to some of your older articles. However, I'm sorry to say that I'm not willing to grant the autopatrolled right based on your current creations. Having reviewed some of your more recent work, it seems that you are basically creating short articles from a template, with very little content beyond cast lists and a few basic facts; there really isn't enough to establish your understanding of content policies based on those I've looked at. In addition, those sources I've seen are weak, to say the least: IMDb and GoMolo, both of which you frequently use, are definitely not reliable sources, and I'm less than certain about the merits of sites like BollywoodHungama and Planet Bollywood, though those at least look as though they might be acceptable. Furthemore, if you can't find sources for a film then you shouldn't be writing an article on it at all, since it clearly wouldn't meet the inclusion guidelines.
- If you want to post a new request at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled then I will not dissuade you, and I'll leave it for another admin to deal with so you can at least get a second opinion. This is no reflection on your other editorial capabilities (I note that you're an excellent anti-vandalism patroller, and your CSD log is exemplary), but I can't see sufficient evidence to suppport granting autopatrolled at this time. Don't sweat it - autopatrolled doesn't really have any benefits for those who have it, it's really a tool for the page patrollers. Yunshui 雲水 10:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback, I will take that in mind. Torreslfchero (talk) 10:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Draw your attention to Ani
You were previously invovled with this editor I believe I have uncovered another sock of this user which we didn't catch before and upon return from block he started recreating articles previously deleted via afd. [[4]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Already spotted it (his talkpage is on my watchlist, so I saw the SPI notification you posted there). I'll swing by and take a look in a few minutes if no-one else gets there first. Yunshui 雲水 10:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Recreated and tagged again. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of BriefCam
Hi Yunshui,
You have deleted the page BriefCam.
I would respectfully request that you restore this page for the following reasons:
1. Many, many other comparable companies in this industry have Wikipedia entries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Commercial_computer_vision_systems
2. The BriefCam company employs a technology that is exclusive to it. Other companies do not have such technologies, yet they are listed.
3. The entry was non-promotional and non-marketing in nature, and followed the examples of other companies.
Any help or guidelines that you can offer so that the page will meet Wikipedia standards will be gratefully accepted.
Sincerely,
Rachelneim (Rachelneim (talk) 12:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)).
- The main problem with the page was that it contained no suggestion that the company is notable. You will need to add references to significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources in order for the page to be accepted. I've recreated it and moved it to your userspace so that you can continue to work on it; the new page location is User:Rachelneim/BriefCam. I'll add a userdraft template to the top of the page which contains a link to submit the page to Articles for Creation; once you've added appropriate sources, you can use this to request a review and get the article moved to mainspace. As an addendum, the existence and content of other articles has no bearing on the BriefCam page (it's a common enough argument that we even have a specific guideline advising editors not to use it when contesting deletion; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Yunshui 雲水 12:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Talkback
Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at WilliamH's talk page.
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Question on policy
Hey Yunshui, I posted a question over on User:JohnCD's talk page here: User talk:JohnCD#Question on Policy. I see you're currently involved having deleted some of the material in question and given the user a warning. If you would, could you chime in with an answer? Cabe6403 (Talk•Sign) 14:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui. I am writing to you after reading these comments[5] posted by User:PrimalHawaii on the talk page of Henry E. Emerson, a retired U.S. Army three-star general. Although I certainly understand his passion and anger - and I'll explain why in a moment - I feel that his continued inappropriate editing and behavior needs to be addressed by someone with your high level of experience and professionalism. Please allow me to give you a brief summary of this situation and what brought him to Wikipedia a few days ago, so that it will put things into context for you.
In January and early February, two editors started adding content to the article about Emerson's alleged death and and date of birth. This was the edit that started it. Then, this edit and several others followed. As I will explain, this was a huge case of mistaken identity that were based on terrible, unreliable sources.
On February 11, PrimalHawaii came to Wikpedia and identified himself as a personal family friend of Emerson named Rev. Joed Miller, such as he did in this post at the help desk. He removed the death content and started posting long, angry messages directly into the article, claiming that Emerson is alive and that the sources were for a different Emerson. He was absolutely right. The sources were horrendous and contained absolutely no evidence that they were about the same Emerson. Although the way Primal/Joed was handling the matter was highly inappropriate, several editors inexplicably kept adding back the unreliably-sourced death and birth content, and started issuing warnings to the editor. While I agree the warnings were warranted, the editors were completely ignoring that the fact that the sources about Emerson's alleged death were bogus. The editors focused solely on Primal's bad behavior, but ignored the glaring content problem.
Finally, after seeing Primal's help desk post, I and a few other editors came to the article to see what was going on. We immediately started to resolve the matter and get the erroneous death and date of birth content removed from the article. A few of us apologized to Primal for the errors that were made by the other editors, but also explained to him the proper way of expressing his concerns. I posted these comments on the article's talk page to express my feelings on the matter. Since then, a small group of editors have been working to improve the article. However, instead of being thankful to the editors who have helped him, Primal is continuing his inappropriate rage, even at them, as in his most recent comments[6], which I pointed out at the start of this message.
I have no idea what to say to Primal to get him to stop his inappropriate editing, and that's why I'm turning to you for help. My hunch is that a very experienced, respected editor and administrator like yourself should reply to his most recent outburst and set him straight on how editing this encylopedia works. And why lashing out, especially at those who have done nothing but help him, is inappropriate. I hope you can help. He apparently believes that every editor is bad and, most importantly, totally misunderstands the rules of appropriate behavior and adding content to the encylopedia. I couldn't think of a better person to deal with this situation than you. Sorry to bother you with this Yunshui, but thank you. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 18:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Judging from his most recent comment Primal appears to have calmed down somewhat - now that he's finally getting some more considered help, his frustration seems to be lessening. I've left him a message offering my assistance as well, and apologising for the difficulties he's had; I suspect the inappropriate editing will cease of its own accord as he realises that there are other editors willing to lend a hand. Thanks for bringing it up; it's always regrettable when new editors who have genuinely positive contributions to make are stamped on and scared off. Yunshui 雲水 08:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- You're a good guy. I really appreciate your calm, reasoned professionalism. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Autosomal dominant cerebellar ataxia
Hey Yunshui, I left a comment of the talk page for Autosomal dominant cerebellar ataxia saying that work was in progress to upgrade the stub. You left a comment to (add course assignment template). Do you want me to add a link to the Neurobio class page so people can see what we're doing? Egreaga (talk) 04:00, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Egreaga. There's no real need to add a link to the course itself - the template is there to alert editors to the fact that the article may see some major editing by students, so that they aren't surprised when a hitherto-hardly touched article suddenly sees a massive influx of edits by new editors (which can often be a sign that something's very wrong). It doesn't really matter which course is involved.
- Incidentally, if you want me to check your proposed changes for Wikipedia-compliance (I don't know much about neurobiology, but I'm pretty au fait with what can and can't go into an article), I'm very happy to look over them in a sandbox before you add them to the page. Just write up your proposed alterations/additions at User:Egreaga/sandbox and ask me to take a look. Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 07:56, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Adoption
Hello Yunshui, if you have time, I was wondering if you could adopt me via Adopt-a-user. (I'm a newbie to wikipedia) Leafboy222 (talk) 20:03, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
reply to your kind message
Aloha-
Thank you for your kind reply and offer of assistence. Yes it was quite a strange few days with being threatened, called names and having my private email address hit by well over a 100 emails first requesting that I give out the Generals personal email and home address by someone claiming to be a reporter but whom i wasable to track down as a person who was making accusations against the Generals character on another blog site but who apparently is also a Wikiperdian.
I was not very kind to the person when they approached me with the vague reprter thing and refused to grant them their request then Boom i was just immediately attacked in Wikipedia. And it was for items that if you could get my very 1st postings you would see that I did reference them as well as sign them but they were all cut up and deleted in piece then rebuilt and put together into what appeared were one message but in reality were chunks of multiple postings put to gether and sent in as one.
It was bizarre and I did not take kindly to tht sort of childlike behaviour so I openly told the people involved by replying to the messages they sent me which once again were obvious setups to get me to reply on the mainpage by simply replyingto them. I had NO clue what they were up to until much later when they started saying I was posting on the mainpage but that was "only " after Canoe 1967 stepped up and told them to stop. I do have alot of information worth sharing from my life but will be very wary of using Wikipedia to do so. It may appear that I have learned how to use Wikipedia but truthfully memorizing legal precednts are much easier than trying to figure out the ways of wiki. You see when a new person steps in to make a change they are not knowledgable in the many rules an regulations and all the people who are in some contest to become "historian ofthe Year". To me by offering rewards you are truly creating a "comflict of interests", far moreso than by trying to ban friends and family of people being bio'd in Wiki. I have found out that when ever there is a carrot at the end of the rope that people will become very territorial to the point of actually thinking that by winning such an award will somehow justify their lives.
Myself I just wanted to post the truth, the General will be dead soon enough. I know the kind of pain being listed as dead can be as my Godmother here in Hawaii was listed as dead on the front page of the newspaper once and it caused her many problems for the last few years of her life.
These people in here were playing a game in trying to twist and turn things to make it appear that I came here and atacked them when in fact I was simply making a correction and they were the aggressors and I truly thought they were bots due to the fact that in my mind only a computer would refuse to accept a fact not a real person !
Again thank you and I can Not promise that I will make no more mistakes I just hope that they are met with a bot of empathy for being an old fart who doesn't know these things.
My friends and I (including everyone involved) have watched this grow and watched as these people simply lied, changed things and refused to even LOOK at the Generals personal Military Biography which in itself alone made every single corrrection that the page needed within the first paragraph yet these people "flat out refused to look at it.." instead placing all their efforts into trying to manipulate facts to make me look as badly as they do.
Have a wonderful day.
Best regards,
Rev. Joed 99.197.80.106 (talk) 03:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Unblock
Good call. An optimist on the run! 09:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Cheers. I feel rather guilty for not doing it several days ago, to be honest. Yunshui 雲水 09:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- From what I've seen even when you don't completely agree with my particular view of what should happen you are thoughtful about your admin actions and your responses are very measured. I think these are the marks of a good admin. Keep up your good work. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Re:
I understand. But I was under the impression that blatant 3RR violations resulted in blocks or warnings, even if one is right and has sources. And in this case the sources are wrong and the user is only editing there to harass me. elvenscout742 (talk) 12:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- I see that Lukeno94 has stepped in whilst I was offline and removed the offending content - I disagree with the decision (see my comments at the AFD discussion), but although we don't see eye-to-eye on the content I sympathise completely with the harrassment; even if the IP editors is making (what I believe to be) correct additions, doing so aggressively to provoke an edit war with an editor he's previously been in dispute with is deeply inappropriate. You find yourself in a difficult position here, harassment from a user with access to such a wide range of disposable IPs is difficult to deal with. I'm giving some though to the best option for proceeding, but no clear solution immediately presents itself. Yunshui 雲水 13:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- After some thought, I've concluded that I simply don't know enough to be able to come up with a constructive solution. I've asked Dennis Brown to take a look, since he's someone I trust to know the ins-and-outs of such situations well enough to give good advice. Yunshui 雲水 14:02, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. And I should say that while we still do not agree on the content, I express my warm gratitude for your time and effort in this matter. Personally I don't care all that much about the article in question: if my AfD doesn't go the way I voted, Wikipedia won't be any worse off as long as the non-deleted article points out the facts as found in Japanese dictionaries, as well as the opinions of western writers. What really bothered me was that the user in question followed me there and reverted me, and his/her activities over the past few weeks have been limited to this, and while he/she can check all of my user contributions, the constantly shifting IP numbers have prevented me from adequately defending myself. Thank you again, and good editing! elvenscout742 (talk) 15:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- (By the way, completely unrelated, but I hope I have not given the impression that I am anything but a squealing fanboy for Lafcadio Hearn. My being an Irishman in Japan, who loves old Japanese tales, should be enough, but check the revision histories of the articles Lafcadio Hearn, Kaidan and Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things if you need further evidence of my "good faith" in this matter. :P elvenscout742 (talk) 15:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC) )
Peer Review
Hi Yunshui. Mind giving some input at this peer review? Thank you. ☯ Bonkers The Clown 卐 Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'll take a look, but can't promise a considered response for a few days. (In the interim, you might want to reconsider your current sig display - I know it's a Buddhist symbol, but swastikas are likely to cause some consternation among other editors). Yunshui 雲水 14:11, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- And I know too. (By the way its also a legitimate Chinese word and a Hindu symbol too) Alright then. Heck, why is everyone so fussed up over swastikas? They embody peace, not Holocaust or anything-Nazi. And I very much believe Hitler's variant was slanted. But anyways, okay. ☯ Bonkers The Clown 卐 Nonsensical Babble ☯ 14:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- And thanks for taking a look. Now, how's this for a change. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 14:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Just my two cents, being German...it is all a matter of context; the use of the swastika by the Nazis was perverted, and so was their use of Richard Wagners music, and that is what we are stuck with; I know it is a symbol of peace, but still seeing it gives me a jolt everytime. So thank you for taking it out of your signature. Lectonar (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- b(^_^)d
- Totally agree with you on all the above, Bonkers - trouble is that swastikas, despite a gradual rehabilitation in the last couple of decades, still scream "Nazi!" to a lot of people, whether slanted or not. My concern is that having one in your signature might lead other editors to make (entirely false) assumptions about you, which could be detrimental to you having a comfortable editing experience here. Now if we could only reclaim the toothbrush moustache... Yunshui 雲水 14:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, another thing Hitler has perverted. (Chaplin looks far better with it.) fascism is so against my faith. Thanks much for the advice. Something partially related (or not): I had no idea Albert Einstein was an actor? best, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 14:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Adoption
Hi Yunshui, I created the page at User:Leafboy222/Adoption page. WHat I would like to do on wikipedia is I would like to fight vandalism on this site. Leafboy222 (talk) 16:11, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks
I want to thank you for your quick response to my request for IPBE. You Don't have to respond back to this comment I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your help. TucsonDavidU.S.A. 14:05, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Yoga pronunciation issue
Moved from Talk:Main Page
No clue how it got there, but get there it did — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler)
- Thanks a lot PinkAmpers for bringing it back! I don't understand what happened. I've never known that page! There must have been an accident, an inadvertent mistake. Thanks again! therash09
- There are various glitches in the MediaWiki software that just use the Main Page as a default. (Try clicking [[::]] or #, for example.) Might've been one of them. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:14, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui! I've added content on Yoga Talk page, regarding the matter. Kindly address! --therash09 (talk) 17:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
- Replied there. Yunshui 雲水 08:06, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thankyou so much for continuing with the discussion, even though it may be appearing irrelevant to you. I am very grateful to you for your support! I've posted a very long content this time and am hoping that you'll go through it. I'll try not making long posts hereafter, and have therefore explained the most part in this post itself! --therash09 (talk) 19:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- Posted again! --therash09 (talk) 16:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Yunshui! Kindly give your views on my latest posts. I have posted another reference that you may want to have a look at. --therash09 (talk) 05:46, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi! Posted there! Thanks a lot for your efforts all through, mate! :) --therash09 (talk) 22:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Another possible advert only account.
Once again, I have stumbled across what appears to be another advertising account in my quest to bring new users to the Teahouse. User:Cittadini created Cittadini Linens. The similarity between the user name and the name of the company would suggest, to me anyway, that this account is only going to be used for advertising. Incidentally, is there anywhere were I can report these sorts of accounts? Best regards. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 15:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- For blatant vanispamcruftisment, AIV is the best place to go. This is still a sandbox article, but it certainly doesn't look promising; I'll drop the user a warning and keep an eye on their future edits. Yunshui 雲水 15:06, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Ambassador and MEDRS
Hello there! I was wondering about Education Program:Marquette University/Neurobiology (Spring 2013), and to what extent the professor is aware of WP:MEDRS (also per WP:AFSE). The professor seems to have picked out many articles that fall within the scope of MEDRS, so I wanted to check with you. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 16:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- That's an odd coincidence; I was just a moment ago emailing her on that very topic. I'm going to be taking a cursory glance over the students' proposed sources this week, but would hugely appreciate the assistance of an editor more experienced with medical sources looking over them too - was that the sound of you volunteering, Biosthmors? If so, you'd be doing us a great favour... Yunshui 雲水 22:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- Great! One easy (but not fullproof) way to check is with PMID numbers. PMID 20124539, when you click to see publication types says review. Recent reviews are a great WP:MEDRS. I can help further. Email me? Biosthmors (talk) 02:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Unblock
FYI: I have unblocked User talk:UCRealEstatePR to CHU following what seem to me satisfactory assurances on his talk page. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charles T. Kresge
You deleted a page on Charles T. Kresge, the discoverer of MCM-41 mesoporous silicas for obvious copyright infringement. The page pointed to contains a biography of Kresge that bears only some resemblence to the page I created and was likely sourced from the same chronological data that I used: his CV. I suggest that this was done in error, that I did not in any way copy the page in question. Furthermore, the copyright that appears on the page clearly cannot extend to information Kresge submitted about himself. I will happily get a letter from him granting permission, if necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 02:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- You're right, the original source is clearly Kresge's PIRE-ECCI bio. I've removed the most blatant copyright violation once again, although I've left the rest of the draft intact; you cannot copy a chunk of text, change a few words here and there, and claim it as your own work. That's close paraphrasing, and is regarded as a copyright violation. Suggesting that you did not copy the page is, to put it bluntly, disingenuous; the sentence order, phrasing and wording were near-identical. You can use the biography as a source for information (subject to certain restrictions), but not as a source for text. Yunshui 雲水 08:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
You are missing my point: the material is from Kresge's own bio that he provided me. It is not correctly copyrighted by the sites that you are referencing. Likely the same information he provided to all. I have corrected errors on the bio, but the key accomplishments in chronological order are not as you suggest a disingneous rehashing of the content of other sites. They are a use of the primary work with the authors permission. Even in that case, I have removed and re-edited the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 14:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Unless off-wiki text content has been publicly released under a CC-BY-SA, GFDL or similar free licence, it cannot be used on Wikipedia, paraphrased or otherwise. Kresge may well have given you permission to use the bio, but in order for its text to be acceptable here, it would need to either be clearly labelled with an appropriate free licence in its original location, or released under such a licence in an email to Wikipedia's permissions team. Your word that he says it's okay is, I'm sorry to say, simply not sufficient (and this presumes Kresge wrote the text himself, if he didn't, he most likely does not own the copyright and hence couldn't release it under a suitable licence even if he wanted to). Yunshui 雲水 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I have the original text written my him that he supplied, just as I supply my bio when I give a talk. I assure you he owns the copyright. I believe that I have sufficiently changed and CORRECTED the bio (which erroneously reported the number of issued patents and publications). I will make one more attempt to appease you but see that restating a chronology of awards and service where over 75% of the words are the names of organization, awards or journals is going to look similar no matter how many times it is rewritten. I will also request he send the email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 03:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't see instructions on the page you referenced for a release declaration of copyright for printed material. What heading should I choose and how do I reference it to this discussion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 03:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delayed response, I missed your reply here. If you don't intend to use the text (the lists of awards etc. are, as you say, pretty much impossible to replicate in any other way and so fall outside the boundaries of copyright) then there isn't a problem to address - rewriting his biography, as you have done, is a perfectly adequate solution, and is arguably more desirable anyway. The full instructions for releasing copyrighted materials for Wikipedia's use are here, but I think your edits have fixed the issue already. Yunshui 雲水 11:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally, there's no problem with using the bio as a source (as long as there are other independent sources supporting the article as well), and it doesn't need to be released for that purpose. Copyright only becomes an issue if the text in the article closely matches that of the biography. Yunshui 雲水 11:33, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I take it from your reply that I have now fixed the page to your satisfaction. It still has the pending notice on it. Is there still another reviewer that needs to OK it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 15:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
NATASHA DUARTE
If the reason given for deletion was G11:
Your article read like an attempt to promote or advertise the subject. Wikipedia is not a promotional medium. If the text of your submission would not have seemed out of place on the subject's CV, website or press releases, it was probably inappropriately promotional. You may also have included inappropriate external links to the subject's website(s). It's possible that you are the subject of the article, or that you work for or otherwise have a close connection to it. Before resubmitting the article, you should read the following: Words to watch, Don't write an autobiography, Advertising, Conflict of interest guidelines and Wikipedia is not a soapbox.
You deleted my page NATASHA DUARTE reason above. How does Delta Goodrem, Selena Gomez, Justin Biener create their pages - is that not a biography too. My daughter is a POP sansation in Australia and I just wanted to create a page like Delta Goodrem etc. Please help me.
Could you please delete my page in its entirety so that when people search they dont see this page is nominated to be deleted, its embarrassing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natashaduarte (talk • contribs) 09:20, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Cabe6403 has already given you a slew of good advice in response to your message on his page; there isn't much I can add. In brief, Wikipedia is not here to help you further your daughter's career. Delta Goodrem, Selena Gomez, Justin Beiber etc. did not create their pages - pages were created about them as a result of them being internationally famous celebrities, who have been the subject of considerable coverage in multiple press sources, books and magazines. Such pages are encyclopedia entries, not a means of promotion.
- If Natasha meets the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO, she might be worth having an article on - you, however, are evidently far to close to the subject to create such an article objectively, and so you should leave it to other editors to write it. You can make a request for an article at this page. Yunshui 雲水 09:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Congrats... You helped keep Teahouse an awesome, welcoming, safe, and helpful place!
Hey Yunshui. Just wanted to make sure you saw this response to one of your answers:
- Thanks a lot Yunshui 雲水, that was a fast answer! I'm glad to read words from real people, I always thought Wiki was about writing and reading alone. :)
The impact you're having in the Teahouse is just awesome. Can't thank you enough.
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Congrats on achieving the rank of Veteran Editor IV! Kevin12xd (contribs) 00:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Thomas Steinbacher
Why did you delete my page on Thomas Steinbacher, man... I can't type and do all the research in like 3 minutes. The guy is a businessman (the CEO of a multi-million dollar company), entrepreneur and the owner of a pro cycling team (Team Graner-Stradalli). I was just about to add some stuff about his charity work and wham! the page was gone. Do I need to write the whole thing offline and then upload only when it is complete. Come on... I thought Wikipedia was all about gradual improvements, but I can't even get the page started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garysims (talk • contribs) 13:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- I deleted it under A7, since it didn't make any case for the gentleman in question being important or significant. I'll restore it to your userspace for you so that you can carry on working on it. Bear in mind that you'll need to add multiple, reliable, independent sources containing significant coverage of the subject before it can be returned to article space. I'll userfy it at User:Garysims/Thomas Steinbacher; expect to see that link turn blue in a few moments... Yunshui 雲水 13:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks... How do I get it out of userspace once it is more complete with sources etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garysims (talk • contribs) 13:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- One of two ways - I would suggest using the "Finished? Submit the page" link in the template I've added at the top; this will list the page at Articles for creation, where a reviewer will check it over before moving it into mainspace. Alternatively, you can move it yourself via the move tool, but this runs the risk of seeing it deleted again if you haven't made sufficient improvements.
- If you like, you can ask me to check it over and move it for you, to save you waiting on the (usually backlogged) Articles for creation process; just leave me a note on this page. Yunshui 雲水 13:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Barnstar
Thanks you for the barnstar![7] It felt nice to be recognized. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Teahouse Birthday
Hi Yunshui! We are having some birthday celebrations as Teahouse turns 1 year-old next week. As one of the most active and passionate hosts we have, I was wondering if you might reflect a bit on your experience at the Teahouse and how you view its role in the community. I'd love to have your responses to any of these questions, possibly for a Wikimedia Foundation blog post which will run on the big day.
- How did you find the Teahouse? What were your first impressions?
- What do you like best about the atmosphere at the Teahouse?
- What experience, interaction, guest, or host stands out for you as a highlight?
- How has the Teahouse enabled you to empower other editors?
- What do you hope for the Teahouse as she continues to grow up?
Thanks so much for your awesome contributions to the project. Really a pleasure to see. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 20:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
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Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JoshuSasori for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:43, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Obviously you aren't under investigation yourself. Just I mentioned your name in my comment and I figured I should let you know. If you want to post a comment I'm sure it would be welcome! elvenscout742 (talk) 01:43, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
WOuld you please comment?
So we have COI and paid editing issues, [[8]]. I requested page protection due to Katie Fisher being a PR worker for Bill Browder and whitewashing the article or adding straight POV edits [[9]]. If you note the use of the word we and a simple google check [[10]] shows this. I unfortunately think that blocking this editor will not solve the problem as another meat/sock will just pop up but comments and opinions would be very helpful. I'm not sure exactly why they think I have any connection to the subject other then the fact I'd like a neutral article [[11]]. I guess they neglected to look at my userpage, or even my contribs lol. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:21, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Looks to me like you've pretty much nailed it as regards the POV editing and meatpuppetry. I do, however, share some of Katiefisher's concerns with regards to the Criminal charges section - as a non-Russian speaker I can't really assess the sources, but the claims made need to be very soundly sourced to comply with WP:BLP: I would normally expect to see sentence-by-sentence citations for a section like this, rather than end-of-paragraph ones. There ought to be English-language equivalents given the profile of the case, and they would tend to be preferred per WP:SOURCEACCESS. There's also some slightly dubious wording in the first couple of paragraphs of that section: "sophisticated tax evasion schemes", "tremendous tax breaks", "may have bribed" and so on.
- More importantly, as far as I can tell, Browder has never actually been convicted of a crime; per WP:BLPCRIME, therefore, this section accounts for a far higher proportion of the article than it should. At most, there should be a few lines noting the charges in as neutral a manner as possible and possibly covering Magnitsky's imprisonment and death. If Browder is convicted, then the section can be expanded, but Wikipedia's standard practice is to downplay criminal charges against living people until a conviction is secured. Yunshui 雲水 09:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Normally you're right, The only reason why it is there now is the face that it is covered in two centuries. This is also why I brought this to ANI to make sure it is presented nuetrally, I left that particular page for a while because my temperament sometimes get the better of me but I would note that other editors have now engaged in attempting to pare it down to size[[12]]. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Request to unblock accounts
I, Sunny Singh (DAV), read your E-mail, but I am still confused why someone is not unblocking the accounts of users from this computer. I have already mentioned everything clearly, then, what is the problem ? I (on the behalf me and other users from this computer) want you to unblock our accounts as soon as possible. Thank you from me and others users. 106.212.108.159 (talk) 10:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- I've asked you a couple of times for clarification, but since you didn't respond, I closed the email ticket. Since your account is still blocked for sockpuppetry, your message above constitutes block evasion, and I have blocked the IP accordingly. You may email me or use the UTRS system again to request an unblock, or do so on your talkpage, but you will need to address the following issues:
- Your abuse of multiple accounts (User:Sunnysinghthebaba and User:Sunny Singh (DAV)).
- Whether multiple users are active on the User:Sunny Singh (DAV) account.
- What IP address or range you wish to be unblocked, and why.
- Which other user accounts you believe to be affected.
- Yunshui 雲水 10:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Alex Goot Deletion
Hello, I recently sent in a request to have a page belonging to an artist I represent named Alex Goot reinstated, you were the most recent editor to flag and remove the article so I wanted to forward my request along to you in hopes of maybe expediting the process. I appreciate your time, and look forward to resolving this issue. Please see below for original message
"Hello, I represent an artist named Alex Goot, owner and primary contributor to the very popular Youtube.com/Gootmusic channel. In addition to accumulating almost 1 million subscribers on YouTube, holding several top 100 spots on Worldwide channel ranking lists, Alex has helped to launch the careers of several other artists and groups whose wikipedia pages have been deemed relevant. Alex has also won an MTV award for his videos (see http://www.mtv.com/photos/o-music-awards/1662701/6080293/photo.jhtml#6080293 ) and was recently nominated for a Streamy award for best Original song (http://www.streamys.org/nominees-winners/3rd-annual-nominees/ ). Alex is constantly on the road, and sells out venues across the world. We'd like to request that Alexs Wikipedia page be restored, being included in Wikipedia is a point of pride for artists like alex, and we feel that we owe it to ourselves and to Alexs fans to get his page reinstated. Thank you very much, if you have any additional questions or require any information on my end feel free to contact me at thank you" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeferri (talk • contribs) 19:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- I have never edited nor performed any administrative actions on the page Alex Goot, so I've no idea why you're bringing this to me. Since it was deleted via consensus at a community discussion, you will need to file a request at the deletion review board in order to get the article reinstated. Yunshui 雲水 21:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
DegenFarang
In addition to telling you to suck him, DegenFarang's IP address left this psycho message on my talk page. Please also block his IP, and if you have the admin ability, hide that message. 2005 (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Done. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. 2005 (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Cheers Writ. 2005, that looks a hell of a lot like a real-world threat to me; if you're at all concerned, you can contact emergency@wikimedia.org - the Foundation will offer its full support should you choose to report the incident to your local police. Yunshui 雲水 08:04, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- That's a different IP to the one Degen used when telling me to self fornicate here, btw. Given the above, I don't fancy his chances of ever being able to edit the encyclopaedia again. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- And this from the editor who considered "get a life" to be the height of incivility... Yunshui 雲水 09:21, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the emergency info. Fortunately the person knows less than he thinks he knows. FYI, just to make it more odd, a simple google search reveals the person uses the same alias on websites (and gets barred on them), and his real name is easy to find. So making public threats like this makes any police work a snap. 2005 (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Oops - thank you
Hi Yunshui. Thanks for deleting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madura Station (2nd nomination). I blame WP:TWINKLE/Server lag/The Illuminati for the addition of a duplicate AfD. It can't possibly have been a mistake on my part - after all, I've got 30K+ edits. <whispers>Truth is, it was a newbie mistake on my part. I should have known much better. This is just between you and me, OK?</whispers><--Shirt58 (talk) 08:55, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Your secret is safe with me. On receipt of an appropriate "gift", of course... Yunshui 雲水 09:18, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui. This guy that we both blocked yesterday is requesting an unblock. Could you pass by their talk page and explain why you indeffed them? (It seems like it was a good call btw, I was feeling lenient for some reason) SmartSE (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi SmartSE. I've left a note at their talkpage - basically, they suggested an intent to continue promotional editing in their UTRS request. Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 07:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
CheckUser
Hello,
I just became curious about it from reading the conversations on User_talk:Ajayupai95 and I am curious as to how CheckUser functions. On wiki, we seem to be applying it almost like it is the Supreme Court, implying it is very accurate. But how accurate is it really? And are there any other ways to figure out who is a sock, and who is not?
Secondly, this user is the third user I have found in recent times (after User:Greatuser and Wolfie13 [Am forgetting the exact name]) who was blocked for being a sock; and were just trying to be constructive while using their current account. Which is curious because our immediate response is to indef-block them, and all they want is to try to be constructive. Does it signal some draconianism in our rules to you?
Cheers,
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
[Talkback pls]
- Checkuser is... pretty damn accurate; generally they are able to narrow down contributions to an individual device (rather than an IP), so you can be pretty certain that if a checkuser says two accounts are confirmed as related, that means they were created from the same computer. It's not perfect, and can be fooled; for this reason we consider behavioural evidence quite carefully at SPI. More often than not, it's the behaviour that rings alarm bells: checkuser is just the formal confirmation. It's entirely possible and permissible to block obvious sockpuppets without submitting them to the checkuser process.
- As to whether our rules are too draconian, that's a longer debate. I'd say that if someone has had their account blocked or heavily warned for, say, disruption or vandalism, then creating another account is a pretty bad-faith move. We have an unblock process if someone wants to start editing constructively; circumventing the process through sockpuppetry is purely disruptive - it peverts the intended course of appeal and evades scrutiny.
- It's a moot point, really. If I go to a swimming pool which has clear "No running" signs all around, and if I run around the pool and continue running even after being repeatedly asked to stop, I would expect the lifeguards to chuck me out. Wikipedia's the same: there are rules governing the use of the website, and people who repeatedly flout those rules are removed. Whether the rules are "just" or not is immaterial; if you want to edit here, you obey the site's terms and conditions, just like everywhere else in life. Yunshui 雲水 08:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Unresolved help desk issue
Hi Yunshui. :) I just wanted to make you aware of this unresolved issue at the help desk initiated by Guy Macon. I thought perhaps you might be interested in giving your input. Have a wonderful weekend. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:17, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, that's heated. Can't see the issue, myself (if you find an uncited link with a citation on the linked page (and you think lists should be fully cited) just copy the citation across. Jeez). I've got other stuff to deal with today, but I might swing by and offer an opinion if I think of anything constructive to say. Thanks for the suggestion. Yunshui 雲水 08:14, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Jigai, Oda, and Dennis
Hi,
Your contributions at the Tea house and at many other places are pretty awesome. I saw your Jigai comment on somebody's talk page, somebody came to my talk page to do some "grave-dancing", I've just seen your comment on Dennis's talk page, and independently I commented on something else at the bottom of Talk:Yūji Oda. I find it difficult to connect the dots. LittleBen (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- A little more investigation suggests that one user was annoyed at his articles being moved by another editor without any discussion, when the editor that made the moves had not contributed to the articles in any way, examples: Talk:Ryoko Nakano, Talk:Kindai Eiga Kyokai, Taboo (the current name) moved to Gohatto (no longer available). It's unfortunate to see silly arguments spiral out of control and result in people being blocked. Lack of civility is bad, but so is polite interference with another user's work. One of the users admitted that he had already had problems in the poetry area that had resulted in an interaction ban, and so he had moved into the film area. LittleBen (talk) 15:32, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- LBW: Grow the hell up, please. Those articles didn't "belong" to JoshuSasori. Please see WP:OWN. I have contributed far more to Wikipedia than JoshuSasori and all his sockpuppets combined, and probably more than you as well. Please stop assuming bad faith on my part. There has been no "grave-dancing". You have continued to make personal attacks against me, and insinuate that by bringing JoshuSasori's abusive behaviour to the attention of the Wikipedia community I have done something wrong. PLEASE STOP THIS RIGHT NOW OR I WILL HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. I am sick to death of JoshuSasori and his sockpuppets hounding me for the last two months. My first interaction with him was on Talk:Ryo Kase where he started making personal attacks against me for questioning his arguments on an RM. He then started trying to alter MOSJ and made more personal attacks against me and other users there. Please see User:Elvenscout742/JoshuSasori rebuttal for a more detailed account of the early history of our dispute, and STOP THIS MADNESS NOW. elvenscout742 (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- Additionally, please everyone note that Gohatto was moved by an administrator after a month of sitting in RM, in which everyone but JoshuSasori supported the move. JoshuSasori also had never "worked on" the page. He remove a couple of macrons about three days before I RMed the page, and then opposed the move on bogus grounds, making constant personal attacks against me while doing it. PLEASE STOP THIS RIGHT THE HELL NOW, or I will be forced to take this to ANI. elvenscout742 (talk) 02:00, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Elvenscout, I have no idea what this issue is about (and don't really care to be honest), but why are you shouting at the top of your lungs (all caps and bolding) and making threats? Relax, my friend. You are violating WP:SHOUT. If you believe someone is disruptively editing, then report it at the appropriate noticeboard. I don't know you, but I see that you just got off a block a few weeks ago and I don't want to see you getting banned again. You should go enjoy a bowl of ice cream or watch a good movie. That'll cheer you up. ;) In any case, Yunshui is an extremely calm person and all this rage on his talk page wouldn't be good for him. Haha. So if you feel the need to continuing screaming, you should do it on your own talk page, not someone else's. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- I apologize for WP:SHOUTING. I am just getting very tired of the above user making veiled personal attacks against me. He is trying to re-write the history of what happened between me and JoshuSasori, a user who has been harassing me for over two months (through sockpuppets, since his main account got blocked in January for making real-world threats). LittleBenW agrees with JoshuSasori on the use of diacritics in Japanese articles, and disagrees with me. This is why he has spent the last week or so going around numerous places claiming that in fact JS is a martyred saint and I am the one who harassed him to the point where he had to call me names and threaten me (and call about a half-dozen admins names too). Ironically, all of this is in violation of a topic-ban LBW is under -- he is currently blocked for having made several dozen edits relating to diacritics during this time. When I offered him peace, he made another veiled personal attack, implying that it was my fault JoshuSasori got blocked twice (check his talk pages and subpages for the phrase "it takes two to tango"). Honestly I am not really interested in discussing these personal attacks anymore, since the current topic ban should keep him from harassing me anymore. (He has made somewhat WP:POINTy-looking comments on unrelated discussions about hyphens, etc., but given that he is obviously opposing me solely because of my stance on diacritics the ban should keep him at bay.) elvenscout742 (talk) 01:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Additionally, I need to clarify this for the record: while LBW is currently under a block for a consistent pattern of disruptive behaviour, I was briefly blocked for purely technical reasons. I unknowingly violated an "interaction ban" by accidentally editing the same page as a disruptive editor. When I appealed the ban Yunshui and numerous others unanimously voted to lift my ban, and place that disruptive editor under a broad topic ban and interaction ban as a result of gaming the system by getting me blocked. I really don't want to ever mention that editor again, but having a block on my record will apparently force me to describe the events surrounding my entirely technical block that was not placed on me for being disruptive. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Elvenscout, I have no doubt that your only intentions are to help improve the project, and I commend and thank you for that. However, it is very important to realize that there will always be editors who you believe to be very disruptive or just generally annoying. Therefore, you should never allow your interactions with them cause you to post raging comments on talk pages or other discussion forums, especially the talk pages of other editors. Just stay relaxed, cite policies and guidelines, and then, if it becomes necessary, calmly report or discuss the matter at the appropriate place. If an editor has truly done something wrong, the diffs will prove it. So there's never any need to shout. It will certainly not make your case any stronger; in fact, it can cause other editors to focus on your behavior instead of the issue at hand. I believe the reason Yunshui has earned such a great reputation is because he's always so calm, friendly, and professional in his dealings with other editors. Even the difficult ones! ;) It isn't easy sometimes, but it's the best way to go... for your health, your happiness, your editing, and your wikireputation. So I hope you will please relax and make editing on Wikipedia an enjoyable experience for yourself. I wish you all the best. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 07:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- The above is pretty sound advice, I don't have much to add. I realise that you're pretty frustrated, Elvenscout, but as I've said before, just about everyone in WikiProject Japan knows about the JoshuSasori issue. I think it's safe to say that the majority of us (even those, like me, that don't always agree with you) are sympathetic, and so you don't need to mount an elaborate defence every time the events are raised. Stay calm, rise above, etc. etc. Going into every discussion with your kabuto strapped on is not going to encourage polite and collegial debate: you'll just end up getting into fights.
- LBW, don't poke the bear. If you disagree with Elvenscout over the use of diacritics (or anything else), that's what you discuss with them, not their interactions with other editors. Comment on the content, not the contributor; you should know this by now. Yunshui 雲水 08:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yunshui, Anon, thank you for you sound advice. I will try to implement it from now on. (And for the record, LBW is not allowed discuss diacritics with me or anyone else. I realized a bit late that every single interaction I had had with him was blatant TBAN violation.) 聖 (会話/投稿記録) 08:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC) (formerly known as Elvenscout742)
WEP
Hi Yunshui, thanks for the reference to WEP but I checked with my institution (Sciences Po) and since this is experimental they rather not have me do this project under their name, at least this year. Hopefully I'll set a precedent and in a year or two a proper Sciences Po Educational Project can be set up. Thanks, RobertK Prods (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- There are definite risks to editing outside the WEP - even if you choose not to be part of it, I'd strongly recommend you get your students to take the student training course before they start editing. I've seen poorly-thought out education projects turn into disasters in the past, with students having their work deleted and even having their accounts blocked because the professor in charge wasn't sufficiently aware of what Wikipedia is and how it works. I'm not for a moment suggesting that your course is poorly-planned or that it won't be a success, but since your course structure hasn't been posted or vetted by a WEP ambassador, it's impossible to say how well it will work.
- If you need help, you're welcome to post here; I'd be happy to offer what assistance I can. Yunshui 雲水 08:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Robert. I'm another ambassador and I was just going to point out that you're strongly encouraged to run a WP:Course page at minimum. =) The one I ran last semester as an ambassador is at User:Biosthmors/Intro Neuro. I have developed a template you can copy/paste/adapt to User:RobertK Prods/Course page, for example, at User:Biosthmors/Course page. How else could Yunshui and I be of assistance to you? Also see WP:AFSE, which links to some relevant WP:Training. Biosthmors (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
WikiProject Cleanup
Hello, Yunshui.
You are invited to join WikiProject Cleanup, a WikiProject and resource for Wikipedia cleanup listings, information and discussion.
To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Talk page access of blocked editor 71.226.19.183
A few days ago, you blocked User:71.226.19.183 for 3 months. He or she is now abusing his or her Talk page access. Can you please block that access, too? Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Rollback
Hi Yunshui, I respect your decision not to give me rollbacker rights on the grounds im not experienced enough with antivandalism, but if you don't mind if I am deemed not experienced enough how does someone like this (User:Jackson Peebles) qualify? With less than 100 edits to the mainspace I dont see how he managed to gain antivandalism experience superior to my own. Again, I respect your decision and im not trying to sound all upset or anything, just wondering, Thanks! ★★RetroLord★★ 10:17, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't grant Jackson Peebles' request (I believe it was Wifione, so you may want to ask them for clarification). Jackson does have over 400 edits in total, many of which are to his CVUA course - whilst CVUA isn't a shortcut to rollback, completion of the course is often factored in to an admin's decision. Please be aware that rollback really isn't that special (you pretty much get it for "free" with Twinkle anyway), and lack of it has no bearing on the quality of your contributions (which, to the GA field in particular, are generally excellent). If you really want to use the tool (for Huggle or STiki, say), it's not that hard to obtain: just concentrate on using Twinkle to revert vandalism for a couple of days and you'll rack up enough edits to demonstrate competence easily. Yunshui 雲水 10:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification then, much appreciated. ★★RetroLord★★ 10:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Request
Thanks for blocking the vandal Athomasm. Can you also please delete this? It was also created by him. ~ satellizer ~~ talk ~ 10:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Help (yet again!)
Hello Yunshui,
I'm not too sure if I've done the right thing or made matters worse and/or more complicated! I've been trying to help this new editor and noticed they had an AfC declined. When s/he left a message on my talk page last night, I felt they were becoming confused with talk pages and trying to rectify problems with the submission (I was certainly confused when I looked at the page here!) so I took the initiative of jumping in and creating a new sandbox with a cleaner copy of their proposed article in it.
If you get the chance, would you mind making sure what I've done is okay? Is there a better way I could have done it? as always, I'm pestering one of the busiest people around but that's what happens when you are so patient! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:35, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- There's a little bit of attribution squiffiness as a result, but that can be handled (at present, if someone was to move the sandbox page into article space it would be you, not Final4one, who would be credited with its creation, creating a copyright violation). The fix is fairly simple, fortunately: all you need to do is copy-and-paste (not move) the sandbox content back into the AFC, overwriting the content that's already there (you should leave the declined submission templates and the comments at the top, though. The resulting page history will show you making your changes, but will retain attribution to Final4one for their edits.
- I'd suggest you ask Final4one if they're happy with this, and assuming they are, go ahead and make the change. There are still a number of problems with the sandbox version (Wikipedia articles used as sources, some duplicated refs, the sourcing generally isn't fabulous), but that's all fixable at the AFC draft. Generally it's not a great idea to have both a sandbox and an AFC on the go simultaneously, since it can cause confusion in the attribution of the final article (not to mention bewildering the writer and any editors trying to review the page!), so in future I'd suggest editing the AFC directly after consulting with its creator.
- Thank you for helping out a new user; always good to see them getting a hand! Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 10:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Yunshui - as soon as I pressed the save button I had the sinking feeling I had got it wrong. I have now asked for the new page I wrongly created to be speedy deleted (using the {{db-user}} template) and amended the talk page messages. I hope I haven't now made it even worse! (Wow, as I'm typing this it has already been deleted!) Sorry for being a pain.....
- I did try the reflinks tool a couple of weeks ago but ended up just manually updating the bare URLs instead! I also have ProveIt loaded but again, my mind doesn't seem to work in tandem with it! Just plain laziness on my part - it feels quicker for me to type up the refs than trying to come to grips with shiny new tools! SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:28, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Problem solved, then! I know that sinking feeling only too well - usually I get it just after deleting a page. There's nothing more embarrassing than two consecutive log entries showing one has confidently deleted and then sheepishly restored a page in the same thirty-second window...
- It took me ages to get used to using ProveIt, Refsegregator, Reflinks etc. and I still do most of my referencing "by hand", so to speak. The one automate ref tool I do use pretty regularly is the Google Books converter; that's an incredibly useful bit of kit (so much so that I made a userbox for it to make it more accessible from my userpage). Yunshui 雲水 12:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Now that is a really nifty piece of kit.....sneaks around the back and surreptitiously copies user box for it... SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
payingtoomuch.com
Hi there,
I created a page for payingtoomuch.com but it was promptly deleted. I understand that I need to put in reference material (Which I have). Did try to do this but I struggled to get the links formatted correctly and was looking for someone to help me with this.
I was adding this page because the website is comparable to the other uk price comparison websites listed in this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_comparison_service and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Price_comparison_services.
Can you give me any advice on how to improve this article so that it does not get deleted in the future?
Thank you
Nial — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nialdavies (talk • contribs) 14:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- You will need to add references to multiple, reliable, independent sources that cover the subject in some depth. The website itself and those of other companies run by Mr Ward are insufficiently independent; what you need are newpaper articles and reviews (not press releases), coverage in books, reviews by major players in the field such as Martin Lewis and so on. I'll restore the article to your userspace for you to work on; you can find it at User:Nialdavies/Payingtoomuch.com. Yunshui 雲水 14:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, FYI moneysaving expert is owned by moneysupermarket so it cant really be called independent. Thanks though, I'll work on it, hopefully I can get the references formatted correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nialdavies (talk • contribs) 15:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Sania Nishtar
Would you be so kind as to restore Sania Nishtar into my userspace (preferably User:Mar4d/Sania Nishtar) so that I may work on it and fix the issues? As far as I remember, the original version of the article was in good shape and had no copyright issues and the other mess that generally came along later. If it is not possible to restore the article to my userspace for some reason, could you at least tell me the categories which the article was categorised into? That would be helpful. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 16:26, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Email
Hello, Yunshui. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Notability opinion.
Can you look at this company Felda Global Ventures Holdings and give an opinion on their notability. There is a link on the talkpage to regarding notability but teh link doesn't seem to help it's case much as this seems to be routine coverage. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:05, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Definitely not a candidate for A7 (being the second largest public share offering in the world is a pretty clear claim to significance). A lot of the sources in Brian's link look like press releases, but I think there's still enough there to scrape past WP:CORP. I wouldn't like to speculate on the result of an AFD, it could easily go either way depending on who showed up to !vote - those arguing deletion would point to the paucity of independent press coverage and the high proportion of press releases, those arguing Keep would claim there's sufficient coverage. I'd probably be a weak keep !vote, myself. Their current fall from grace ([13]) suggests there'll be more media coverage in future, so I suspect that this article could well have some traction in the coming months.
- No harm in sending it to AFD if you wish; as I say, it could go either way. Were it my decision, I probably wouldn't bother, but I've no objection if you feel it's appropriate. Yunshui 雲水 09:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- That's why I was asking, thanks! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:44, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Essays at AfD
Didn't mean too, but sure is getting interesting. Lol, Yunshui versus Amadscientist, 2013. Doesn't hurt to debate once in a while, yeah? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Reads like a close fight to me. So, you're the proposition and he's the opposition? Good, continue the points. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- I think WP:PGL is a good read. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- You know, A
materialmadscientist and I aren't two beetles that you can put in a bottle and shake to make them fight... Yunshui 雲水 11:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- and to be pedantic... He's amadscientist. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Cos... You are human, aren't you? I meant, could you continue the "debate" here, like you suggested. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'd certainly prefer that, the Teahouse really isn't the place to hold such a discussion. No comment on the accusation of "human". Woof. Yunshui 雲水 11:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed. I was thinking this is an interesting topic to ask an admin. Funny, to think a male non-human sells books, is an atheist, practices martial arts and parents two kids.[14] And yes, playing Go. My favorite too. Pity I'm a human who's allergic to dogs. :D Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:35, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Well, since you asked an admin (and since I'm not at the Teahouse, and can therefore give my own opinion):
My take is that the usual hierarchy of rules (policies trump guidelines, guidelines outrank information pages, infopages are better than Wikipedia essays, WP essays overrule user essays) is a bit of a simplistic way to view the system. In a deletion discussion, for example, it's common for the overarching deletion reason to be an appeal to either WP:NOTE (guideline) or WP:NOT (policy), and the discussion comes down to whether or not the article meets one of those two rulings. During that discussion, though, there may be numerous specifics which are better addressed by appeal to essays, since NOTE and NOT are, by their very nature, highly generalised. Thus we have pages like WP:MANOTE or WP:GHITS, which, whilst not policies themselves, serve to elucidate and specify certain aspects of the general rules. Depending on the circumstances, these may be more or less relevent to the discussion than the actual policies themselves.
Having said that, I'm totally in agreement with AMS that simply linking to these wikiacronyms is not an appropriate arguments - if you think a subject fails WP:MANOTE, your deletion !vote needs to explain why you think he or she doesn't meet those criteria. Yunshui 雲水 11:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, thanks; I am more enlightened now. You seem very learned on essays I myself have not heard of till today. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Though AMS seems to have gone MIA. Conceded his case, I guess? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- He may have just concluded that it wasn't worth following up; it's a pretty minor disagreement in the grand scheme of things. It's also important to note that this isn't a case of one of us being right and the other wrong - we have differing opinions on the interpretation of the rules, and neither one of us is necessarily correct. AMS is a well-tenured editor, and I respect his opinion, as well as his right to disagree with me - he can assess AFDs his way and I mine, and the world will continue on its axis without noticing... Yunshui 雲水 12:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
The Complete Works of William Shakespeare
I saw your comment at User talk:Theaterproject2013 regarding The Taming of the Shrew, may want to have a look at User talk:Tha Taming of the Shrew, I am not quite sure what is going on here, or if you had sorted if there was a class project of sorts going on. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:23, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- I haven't been able to establish that it's a class project, but the appearance of User:Tha Taming... certainly makes it look that way. I'll have a skim through Special:ActiveUsers and see if I can spot any more badly-spelled Shakespeare from the last day or two, and I've asked WikiProject Shakespeare to keep their eyes peeled. Yunshui 雲水 07:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
The Teahouse Turns One!
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Article deletion
Hi, you deleted an article created on John Thuo who is an aspirant for parliamentary elections in Kenya. See http://iebc.or.ke/index.php/media-center/press-releases/item/nominated-candidates-for-the-4th-march-2013?category_id=7
please let me know if this is sufficient justification for the person to have a wikipedia entry other than what is available at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_National_Assembly_elections_in_Nairobi,_2013
If this seems ok, kindly restore the page.
- Hi Anon547. I'm afraid that simply being a candidate is not sufficient grounds for a WIkipedia article. You might want to have a look at the specific notability requirements for politicians. Yunshui 雲水 09:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Unblock
Fine by me - can you do the honours as I'm on a smartphone at present, which makes it fiddly?! Thanks, BencherliteTalk 11:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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You took down my page :(
Hi there Yunshui, i now know why you took down my page after reading your "did i delete your page" but i wasn't familiar with the rules, and i didn't get a warning so i couldn't change the page so it would fit the rules. It is a page about a tale with describes a fictive person, i my self haven't wrote the tale but i've got permission to write a resume of the tale and some background on the story.
also how do i move the page to the danish site? i really wish to do so.
thank you
2ballerog1pat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2ballerog1pat (talk • contribs) 12:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Nonsensical fictional reimaginings of history are not suitable content for Wikipedia. I sincerely doubt such contributions will be welcomed at the Danish Wikipedia either, but you're welcome to create an account there and ask them; the Danish version can be found here. Yunshui 雲水 12:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Ismail obuli
I can certainly understand the reasons for declining my CSD A7 nomination; what I'm concerned now is that the author has blanked the article - does this qualify for G7? - hmssolent\Let's convene My patrols 13:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
You deleted my page
Hello Yunshui, I created a page for the Christopher Miles film "Fire from Olympia" and then wrote the content to go on it. Before I had finished writing (less than ten minutes) it you had deleted it. I admire your diligence but I can't type that fast! Adrian MCS 13:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manor Cottage Studios (talk • contribs)
- Hi Adrian. The content you'd posted was literally just a restatement of the page's title. If you'd like to work on the article at a more leisurely pace, I'd suggest you start by creating it in a subpage of your userspace - there's a link at the very top of your screen marked "Sandbox", which will create just such a working space for you. Build your article there, and then move it into the main encyclopedia once it's got enough content and sources to survive. Yunshui 雲水 14:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree that was the only content Yunshui for only ten minutes and I contested the rapid delete warning saying that the main body would be there in less than ten minutes but what I had written has also gone, is there no way I can retrieve my work?MCS 14:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manor Cottage Studios (talk • contribs)
- I have checked, but I'm afraid it does not appear to have been saved anywhere - your only deleted contributions (which I'm aware you can't view) are your one edit to create the page and your contest of the deletion on the talkpage, and it doesn't appear in your live contributions. Yunshui 雲水 14:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Being that the username is a marketing firm, I have reservations about teh article they were trying to create and believe it was more then likely a marketing article. I could be wrong but we do seem to have a username issue as well. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- I know; I've already warned him. Serious COI issues at Christopher Miles, as well. Manor Cottage Studios, you need to file a change of username request pretty sharpish if you want to continue editing. Yunshui 雲水 14:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Before I saw this conversation, I had blocked this account as a clear role account for this marketing company. I used a softerblock which invites them to set up a new individual account, and reiterated WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI, but we maybe need an entry at COI/N to get some neutral eyes on the articles they are editing. JohnCD (talk) 14:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- I gave some thought to doing that myself instead of warning them, but it seemed a bit churlish when we were already having a discussion. Editing pattern does suggest some fairly unrepentant COI editing, so if they return then I agree that it might be worth COI/Ning both Christopher Miles and possibly some related pages. Yunshui 雲水 14:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- That is to say, it would have seemed churlish coming from me - I've no quibble at all with your block, John! Yunshui 雲水 14:36, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Good cause they are now editing as an anon IP, blatantly obvious [[15]]. Seems to indicate promotion only for sure. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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Oops
Seems we both originally misinterpreted what was going on here. Unblock might be in order. Cheers! SpitfireTally-ho! 15:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Mm; I have to say, I'm undecided. There are evidently more issues than the username violation at stake, and the decision to immediately return to editing the same article as an IP smacks of serious IDIDNTHEARTHAT to me. Unblocking is technically the right thing to do, but this might be a case of IAR; on balance, Wikipedia seems to me to be better served by leaving the block in place. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though. Yunshui 雲水 15:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Edit summaries like [[16]] this tells me they are not here to build an encyclopedia whatever the username. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- My response at User_talk:Spitfire#Manor_Cottage_Studios should cover this. Pasting here:
- "That's another matter - you can't block a user or an IP address for block evasion of a username block: that's definitive. It seems fairly obvious that John was aware of the COI problems when he set the block, but he decided it was not yet enough to justify a COI/spam block, and instead did a username block.
- To then use this username block as cover for shuffling aside a problematic editor would be unacceptable. If you want to get the user blocked for spam/COI issues, that needs to be done via the proper procedures."
- Cheers, SpitfireTally-ho! 15:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oo-er, I see John was actually not especially aware of it until after setting the block - main thrust of my point remains the same, though. SpitfireTally-ho! 15:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- I'm still very much not convinced it's the right thing to do (or rather, it's the right thing to do, but may well not be the best thing to do), but okay; I'll unblock the IP. Then I'm off for the weekend; if it all goes horribly wrong before Monday, blame Spitfire! Yunshui 雲水 15:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Cheers, appreciate it! If things go wrong, I'll volunteer myself to the village stocks. (in seriousness, though, I'm happy this way, even if the user actually commits a (hard) blockable offense and is then blocked, that's preferable to me over blocking them before they commit it on a (albeit very strongly founded) suspicion that they will). SpitfireTally-ho! 15:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- If this makes a difference [[17]] the first block should have been the harder block anyways. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:19, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Not necessarily possible to say whether AIV would have done a harder block or not. Evidently at least one admin, John, reviewed the case and decided that a soft block was the best option - the fact that you also filed an AIV case doesn't really overrule that... you're welcome to take the matter to AN/I or another appropriate venue to petition for a ban/harder block. SpitfireTally-ho! 15:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I really think that Yunshui hit it on the head that this is one of those that goes either way. I feel strongly about any paid editing, which being a marketing firm is. I think that by ignoring this we just let them go about their business on the sly. Granted this could be happening at any number of pages but when we know what's going on I think there is a duty to stop it. I've asked JohnCD to comment here, if three admin agree no need for me to block fish at AN. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- This is fine by me. If John agrees that a block for the COI/spam is appropriate, I have no objection. I can fully appreciate that such action may be appropriate. Sorry for being a bit of a stickler here: I just see a lot of cases where a somewhat problematic but not actually blockable user receives a username softblock, and is then incorrectly accused of block evasion and sockpuppetery when they follow the instructions on their block notice to create a new account / continue editing - it is very important that the username block doesn't have any impact on future blocks either for behavioural issues or socking issues. SpitfireTally-ho! 15:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- I considered a hardblock, but edits like this show that the user is being perfectly open and is (at least in his view) trying to correct BLP errors rather than to promote and (like most newbies) doesn't understand our rules. I have told him about BESTCOI and BLP/H, and have advised the IP to set up an individual account with which there can be a dialogue. If he is prepared to do that and comply with BESTCOI, I don't think we have a problem, though a COI/N entry to get more eyes on his pages would help. JohnCD (talk) 16:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Sanity
Just wondering, but you do remember that you have the pretty shiny buttons too right? Just was wondering, if there's some other reason feel free to just not answer :) gwickwiretalkediting 23:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've commented on the AFD, so I'm involved. Don't worry, all my shiny buttons are still fully intact! Yunshui 雲水 23:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Works for me (although, I don't know how involved that is, but I won't argue). Just didn't want you to have misplaced your buttons into the wrong hands (i.e. canvassededitor#1294). /me couldn't survive if Yunshui lost their buttons, who would I go to to get automatic no-questions-asked completely POV and OWN violating page protection and deletion?! for humor lackers, that was what's called a joke. gwickwiretalkediting 00:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Kira discussion and investogation
Hi I see you requested an ip check on my username . I fear I will lose access to Wikipedia if one if the ip checkers think I caused the chaos on Kira's delete discussion. While I did write the article, I never thought it would cause such a massive dispute so if you have any advice let me know Siabaf (talk), —Preceding undated comment added 00:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
- If you aren't the same user as the disruptive IPs, you have nothing to worry about - checkuser's been approved for the case, meaning that they'll be able to tell whether it's you or not. And, as I stated at the SPI, if it's "not", then I apologise for bringing you into it. Yunshui 雲水 01:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Regarding Premsutra Deletion
Hello sir,
I created a page called as Prem sutra and it got deleted because of some reason. Can you please let me know what could be the precautions i should take in order to avoid deletion in future.
Regards,
Samir K. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samirkamble (talk • contribs)
- I see you have recreated the page; at least this time it's clear that the subject is a film (the previous incarnation appeared to be about a person, whom it now seems was a character in the film). However, I have still found it necessary to nominate the article for deletion; I hunted for sources to see whether it meets our inclusion requirements for films and it does not appear to do so. You may contest the deletion (there's a note on your talkpage explaining how), but the most effective way to do so would be to provide suitable sources; see this page to get an idea of what you need. Yunshui 雲水 10:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
My pages are for a University Assignment.
Hey, I know that these pages aren't exact;y up to a professional standard but I'm just putting them out there to show that I have tarted the assignment process.
Please don't delete me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seth Fasnacht-Conn (talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- "More to come" isn't just "not up to standard"; it's not even a stub-class article. As I said on your talkpage; if you want to show that you've started the process, please do your work outside the main article space, using your sandbox. Yunshui 雲水 10:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Delcining my Article
Hi Yunshui,
I will attempt to re write the article on Marylebone High Estate Agents, if there are any further problems could you message me so that I can make amendments.
Kind regards
Elliot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliotchaytor (talk • contribs)
- Please don't. Wikipedia only hosts articles about notable subjects, and simply being the only estate agent on a particular high street isn't in any way a claim to notability. If you persist in adding information about Marylebone High Estate Agents - especially if you keep adding links to their website - your account may well end up blocked for promotional editing. Please take a few minutes to read the notability guidelines linked to above (you might want to look at the specific guideline for companies, as well), and consider writing an article about a subject that meets those requirements instead. Yunshui 雲水 08:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Talkback
Thank you for your help, I am still new to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xluckycharmx (talk • contribs) 21:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, ok.
Hey, sorry about any misunderstandings, I was literally just playing around with Wikipedia and didn't really know what was happening.
That's how I learn.
But whatever, enough ramblings.
(Seth Fasnacht-Conn (talk) 21:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC))
Deletion of Trashness
Hi, I have been informed that you have deleted the page on Trashness. I found the blog much interesting and I also agree I may have written it in a bit way of advertising. I apologize for that. Is there any way I can make the page back with appropriate citations and references. I seriously need some help from you. Hope you would find a solution to my problem soon.
Thanks,
Aminuddinshroff (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- The appropriate content guideline is WP:WEB. If Trashness has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself, or has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization, then we can have an article on it. If not, the website doesn't meet our requirements for inclusion. Since the article gave no suggestion that either criterion was met, I removed it. Yunshui 雲水 23:00, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- I think I forgot to cite this source in the article, it just went out of my mind. Will this link work for the article to be cited or reliable : http://www.soletopia.com/2012/10/faces-of-trashness-interviewing-amin-eftegarie-maarten-van-damme/ ! Kindly, renew the article and make it get published as I find it genuine enough. Hoping you will reply asap ! Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 23:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- It's an interview - hence a primary source - in what as far as I can tell is a fashion blog with bells on; no editorial oversight that I can see, but at least content doesn't seem to be user-submitted. It might meet WP:RS, but it's not sufficient to attest to notability. However, in the interests of general peace and goodwill to all men, I'll userfy the page for you: I'd suggest that you put it through AFC once you've brought it up to code. Yunshui 雲水 07:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for the kind help. I have created the article under AFC, and I am waiting for the review. I, henceforth request to consider the page and make it certified for wikipedia asap. It says, it will take a week time, looks too much for me. I hope you will understand the curiosity I have got for making the article go live. Since, you considered it, please do make the process happen as soon as possible. Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Deletion of Sigma Team
Why did you delete it again? I'm re-edit it and leave it open, so that the people will understand the Russian-based company.
Rabbitgentleman (talk) 13:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- The Sigma Team page was deleted as the result of a community discussion; if you want the page recreated, you will have to file a case at Deletion Review. The page cannot be recreated without either overturning the deletion decision or addressing the concerns raised there in a new version of the article. Yunshui 雲水 13:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Violation, vandalism
Hi there,
This user is vandalizing a lot of pages. Probably he wants to be administrator and thinks he's right. Look how many he removed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Werieth
I was pissed off because he was removing also all the posters here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_in_UFC
And I saw that he did before here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_in_K-1_Events
I look forward to hearing from you. Please reply me here. This user deserves a ban. He doesn't bring anything than violations. I see he was also threatening users.
Regards,
Păduchele (Păduchele|talk) 09:55, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- I haven't checked all Werieth's edits, but those file removals I did look at seemed valid. At most, he's guilty of being a bit over-hasty and bot-like in his edits, and needs to slow down and discuss some of these removals, but I see nothing in his work worthy of anything more than a mild rebuke (which I see Bushranger has already delivered). Whilst I appreciate your frustration, adminshopping and aggressive e-mails are not the appropriate way to deal with the issue - I note, for example, that you haven't made any attempt to discuss this on Werieth's talkpage. Talk to him about his (IMHO, valid, if hasty) image removals, and try to comprehend that you yourself may actually be in the wrong on this. From your contributions, it looks as though your understanding of the fair use policy could use some improvement; you may want to start by reviweing the content of that page. Yunshui 雲水 09:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- The problem was resolved. Thank you. You are wise administrator.
Regards,
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Păduchele (talk • contribs) 14:53, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
Autopatrolled
Hi Yunshui, I asked you a while back about user rights and couldn't think of anyone else to ask this question too, so I hope you don't mind.
I see that the autopatrolled page states 50 pages created as a suggested guideline for autopatrolled, as I have created about 40 GA review talk page aswell as 40ish more IP talk pages for vandalism warnings, do you think I would be eligible for these rights? I ask so that I can reduce the workload on new pgae patrollers, without the embarrasment of having my claim rejected over at request for permissions. So, in your opinion, would it be appropriate for me to apply for these rights? Thanks★★RetroLord★★ 09:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- Give me a few minutes to poke through your edits and I'll get back to you. Yunshui 雲水 09:38, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- Well that was easy. Unless the toolserver's lying to me (which it might well be, tempermental bugger that it is) I can't see that you've created any articles at all yet. GA review and talkpages don't take up much (if any) time at RPP, so we generally only grant autopatrolled for prolific article creators. Whilst your GA work shows that you have a pretty good knowledge of the content requirements and could certainly count towards an AP rights request, at present there's no visible need for you to have the right - if you aren't churning out articles, you aren't really contributing to the load on RPP. I'd save yourself the trouble of applying until you have at least 20-30 article creations under your belt; until then, I can't see any admin thinking it worthwhile. Hope that's helpful. Yunshui 雲水 09:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok thanks for that, much appreciated ★★RetroLord★★ 09:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for adopting me. I look forward to seeing you participate in my future RfA! Kevin12xd (contribs) 02:17, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Rheem DRV
Yunshui, there is a DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 March 8 regarding your article deletion edit here. Jreferee (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification. I'd have restored it (at least to userspace) on request, but since they seem determined to go through the most convoluted channel possible (why not WP:UND?) I wash my hands of the matter. Yunshui 雲水 07:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Speedy deletions (aside from CSD G7 and some G6 cases) are outside the scope of WP:REFUND. However, the DRV nominator should have discussed the issue with you first. FWIW I would have declined the speedy because the NASCAR sponsorship is an indication of IoS. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Appreciate your thoughts, Ron. I gave some thought to whether sponsoring a NASCAR driver was sufficiently significant to decline an A7, but whilst Kevin Harvick is notable, companies that give him money are two a penny; I don't feel that the sponsorship deal is any indicator of noteworthiness. Still, opinions differ; it looks as though the consensus is headed towards an overturn, so I guess the article will be back up soon enough. Yunshui 雲水 13:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Page Creation
I want to write an article about a school but the school has no website, please tell me that still I can create article of school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.221.125 (talk) 09:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it is a secondary school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.220.238 (talk) 09:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy
Hello Sir!,
I want to make wikipedia a better place. I want to get training for Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy program and I want to get training from you. Please tell me your decision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Farhaking. As a rule, we don't usually take CVUA trainees on until they have over 200 edits under their belt; editors with fewer edits tend to have insufficient experience of Wikipedia to be able to undertake the training without making too many mistakes. Whilst your enthusiasm is appreciated, might I suggest that you start out by just doing some basic editing - fix spelling errors, locate sources, add bits of information here and there and so on. I'd be happy to take you on as a CVUA trainee once you're clearly familiar with Wikipedia's processes; and content creation is far better for Wikipedia than anti-vandalism! All the best, Yunshui 雲水 09:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks you so much, I am going to get some more experience of editing wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Another question, I am a new user, will you adopt me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
edit HCL Technologies
Sorry for that one.What do you mean by constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhiyanes (talk • contribs) 11:46, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- With this edit, you posted speculative, derogatory comments about both a living person and a company. This is in direct contravention of Wikipedia's neutrality policy, and is not permitted. Kindly don't add such content again. If you want to comment on business affairs, start a blog or a YouTube channel. Yunshui 雲水 11:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for that again.I don't knew it.I've edited now.Please check it once and tell me if I have to edit again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhiyanes (talk • contribs) 12:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- No. You can't simply revert the same non-neutral text back into the article. If you persist, you will be blocked. I suggest you post to Talk:HCL Technologies with a redrafted version of your text, and request input from other editors. Yunshui 雲水 12:40, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Re:Image uploads
Sorry Yunshui, but I didn't know that it was a violation! Jeremy asked me a couple of months ago that if I wanted to upload some images, I would have to let him know and I would have to give him the images that he wanted me to upload! I didn't know. ChicagoWiz 21:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- I even have the proof that he gave me permission! ChicagoWiz 21:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- It's okay, I'm not going to slap a block on you without considerable prior warning - call this a shot across the bows, if you like. It's pretty evident, however, that you still don't get Wikipedia's image use policy; anything that's licensed for non-commercial reuse only, or that forbids derivative works, is not suitable for re-release under Wikipedia's own CC-BY-SA licence. Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with image copyright here knows this. Until you can demonstrate a clear understanding of the relevant policies, you need to steer clear of file uploads, by proxy or directly. Yunshui 雲水 21:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Searching for sources.
Hi Yun
I was just reading over your user page and I noticed you said you create whatever takes your fancy (obviously as long as it meets the rules) well I've decided I'm going to try my hand at an article in similar fashion. My focus will be on 'Operation Blackout' from Club Penguin which was an event which broke player records for CP, unfortunately I've ran a check and the first 20 pages (I actually went this far) of Google results are either fan websites or YouTube videos of how to beat a / all of the parts as well as one post from CP's Website. Where would you suggest I look next for sources? MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 02:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- My usual go-to sites for sources are Google Books, Google News and (to a lesser extent) Google Scholar, with diversions to HighBeam Research (paid access) from time to time. I've run the search string "operation blackout" + "club penguin" on all of these, though, including archives, and come up with nothing - I'd say there's a very strong likelihood that it doesn't meet the inclusion guidelines. Sorry to rain on your parade; you might have an easier time of it writing about a different topic. Yunshui 雲水 07:59, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
References
If there is a university or any educational institute article on wikipedia, should I add references from its own website? Farhajking (talk) 09:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- Generally it's best practice to avoid using information taken directly from the subject of an article, unless the information cited is pretty basic and uncontroversial. You could, for example, use a university's website as a source for student numbers or date of establishment, but not for something like the successes of its student debating society or its awards for research. Secondary sources are nearly always preferable. A link to the university's website (usually in the infobox at the top of the page) is usually appropriate, but the article should be primarily concerned with information that doesn't stem directly from the university itself. Does that make things any clearer? Yunshui 雲水 07:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
SPI clerk
Hi! If you would like, I can take you on as a trainee SPI clerk.
You should read the instructions for administrators, instructions for clerks, sock puppetry policy (make note of the legitimate versus illegitimate uses of sockpuppets), WMF privacy policy, and the checkuser policy.
We generally coordinate work via the IRC channel #wikipedia-en-spi connect, and, although it isn't critical, it can be a big help when explaining things. WP:SPI lists the open cases so you can find them, and User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js is a helpful little script you might want to add to your js page to assist with clerking cases.
Additionally, you may find that adding importScriptURI('http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-markblocked.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
to your js page to mark blocked users is helpful in determining which sockpuppets have been blocked already.
Be aware that you will likely end up dealing with sockpuppetting long-term abusers who will try to out you on various sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica.
If you're still interested, I'll add your name to the clerk list. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- I couldn't ask for a better mentor. Let's do it.
- I'm afraid I don't do IRC (for several reasons), so you'll have to make do with my geologically slow response time - my talkpage and email both get checked pretty regularly, though. Thanks for the script suggestions, I'll whack them in my .js page. Look forward to working with you. Yunshui 雲水 08:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- Alright then! I've added your name to the clerks list. Good luck, and feel free to poke me on my talk page or via email if you have any questions! Reaper Eternal (talk) 10:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Yunshui,
I'm sorry, I was a bit rude to you earlier today without meaning to be. I've undeleted this article, which you deleted after an AFD last year, because the tour has now started and there are evidently now reliable sources discussing it. The deletion rationales at AFD basically boiled down to CRYSTAL and no RS, both of which no longer apply, and it was fairly clear to me that everyone at the AFD recognized that there would be an article here as soon as the tour actually started. I think the undeletion is uncontroversial, so I just did it rather than make them go thru DRV, but I just realized I didn't check in with you about it first, which I should have. Sorry about that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- No offense taken, Floq - no offense even noticed, in fact. I seem to recall (I haven't checked) that my closing statement said something along the lines of "this can be recreated any time there are sufficient sources", so you have my pre-emptive blessing, as it were! I appreciate you letting me know, but I've no problem whatsoever seein the article recreated; I'd have done the same thing if I'd known. Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 07:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Sockpuppet
Can you review [[18]] one of our friends is back and there is at least two socks. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- Jeb5000's already blocked; Jebbey is possible, but pretty stale (no edits for the last three months); I don't reckon checkuser's going to be worth it on that one. Not enough for me to think it worth blocking outright, unless you're seeing something I'm not. Yunshui 雲水 08:05, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- I understand it was stale, one of the clerks has actually found two additional socks and has endorsed the request as the socking goes back at least to the month of December and it is highly likely that there are others out there ;). I figured I'd involve you since you were invovled in the last block but we;ll see what else shakes out. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Moved
Ho hum. Up to you whether you want to re-restore it or ignore it. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Talkback
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McDoyle massacre
Thanks for deleting the hoax; suspect perpetrator may have done others under different names (outside Australia where I am unlikely to look). IP address check, perhaps? Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- Not from me I'm afraid; I don't have a checkuser hat. Fishing expeditions aren't really mandated by the CU policy, but you could always ask one of these guys if they'd be willing to take a look. Yunshui 雲水 09:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Glenda Cloughley
Hi,
You requested speedy deletion of the wikipedia article I made on Glenda Cloughley.
The reason for creating the page in the first place is that Glenda Cloughley wrote the music that was sung at Australia (and quite possibly the world's) first flash mob.
On March 18 2003, in protest over the Government's decision to enter the war in Iraq 150 women entered Parliament House in Canberra, scattered and then at a signal, sang a song written for the occasion by Glenda Cloughley and Judith Clingan [18]. The incident made national television and radio news.
The flash mob in Parliament House has become an important part of the history of the Australian Parliament House, as reflected in their own website http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/RP0708/08rp29
The repercussions of the concert were multiple and Australia wide. The next time some of the women from this original group sang in Parliament House, they were forbidden to sing any songs relating to personal or political freedoms', Chorus complied with the ban and used purple scarves to gag words of songs relating to ‘personal or political freedoms' This action received national media coverage. The Department head and Speaker of the House, Neil Andrew, said a mistake had been made and that such a restriction would not be made in future. This was a significant incident in the ongoing issue of freedom of speech in Australia.
Glenda Cloughley's contributions as a composer have made important contributions to Australia both culturally and politically and deserve recognition in Wikipedia.
The article I began was a stub, and would be developed further, but I hope you will agree, deserves to be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiriel (talk • contribs) 01:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- Okay; I've restored it in your userspace at User:Kiriel/Glenda Cloughley. There are a few problems with the page besides the notability issue - we do not host articles on people who are only known in the context a single event, and full song lyrics should not be quoted in articles. Assuming that you can show Cloughey is notable for more the just the protest mentioned above, though, and provide sources backing up that claim, the article can be kept. Yunshui 雲水 07:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution
Wikipedia:WikiProject Conflict Resolution.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- This looks like an interesting and probably much needed project. I'll give it some thought. Out of curiosity, how do you see this project dovetailing/overlapping with WP:DRN and WP:3O - what can we do with this new project that isn't already covered by the pre-existing DR process? Yunshui 雲水 09:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- This is geared towards coduct/conflict that may or may not involve content. Could be for more than three editors to encourage WP:3O be used first and clear content disputes would be refered to WP:DRN in the same basic way DR/N refers disputes of sources to the RS noticeboard etc.--Amadscientist (talk) 10:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- So a bit like a rebooted WP:WQA (no bad thing, IMHO) which could also serve as a clearing house for disputes requiring specific boards (eg. WP:COIN, WP:DRN etc.)? That sounds like a project I could get behind. It might also take some of the pressure off ANI, which would be a bonus. Do you have a particular conflict resolution process in mind (noticeboard, disputation templates, multi-signatory agreement etc)? I realise that it's a work in process, so I don't expect you to turn out fully-formed solutions; just curious as to how you see it developing. And yeah, having given it a bit of cogitation, I reckon I'm in. Yunshui 雲水 10:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- Different in that this is not for assistance when you begin to have a civility issue, but for conflicts that have reached some further criteria like DR/N does, such as having an extensive discussion we would require the same and that it be a dispute that is or has now become, mainly conduct and conflict. I want to avoid civility itself as a standard, but mayber "severe and extensive incivility".--Amadscientist (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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