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Hello {{u|BlackJack}}. I am enjoying editing. Thanks for the note and for asking. On the point of the batting hand, please take the lead and edit it whichever way you think is correct. I just put my view and have no experience on what is correct. [[User:Xender Lourdes|Xender Lourdes]] ([[User talk:Xender Lourdes#top|talk]]) 11:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC) |
Hello {{u|BlackJack}}. I am enjoying editing. Thanks for the note and for asking. On the point of the batting hand, please take the lead and edit it whichever way you think is correct. I just put my view and have no experience on what is correct. [[User:Xender Lourdes|Xender Lourdes]] ([[User talk:Xender Lourdes#top|talk]]) 11:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:It's one of those cases where both methods are correct. On balance, I think I agree with your edit summary that what is unknown should be left out until it is known. :-) <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 11:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC) |
:It's one of those cases where both methods are correct. On balance, I think I agree with your edit summary that what is unknown should be left out until it is known. :-) <b>[[User:BlackJack|Jack]] | <sup><i>[[User talk:BlackJack|talk page]]</i></sup></b> 11:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC) |
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Thank you SSTflyer. I will enjoy the tea. Xender Lourdes (talk) 12:58, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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Hi. It's great that you're filling in so many of the missing Australian first-class cricketers. On dates, the convention in the US is to put Month/day/year, but in most of the rest of the world (UK, Australia, India etc) it's common practice to put Day/month/year (or DMY), which is neater because it avoids the need for a comma. You seem to have used the shorthand version inside the infobox on your latest cricketer successfully: the df=yes tag merely confirms that you want the day to come first, not the month. I think if the tag isn't there, it defaults to the US way of doing things, which wouldn't be right for cricketers. Like quite a lot of WP, this has probably been copied into the Infobox cricketer template from some other source, probably of American origin, and has been modified to fit the local circumstances. Cheers. Johnlp (talk) 18:49, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Johnlp, though am not sure how the stuff inside "{{}}"" works, it looks good and I thank you for making me learn this. Although I am not Australian, my very close friend is, and that's one reason for my interest in Australian cricketers of yore. I saw the articles you have created and wooooooooooh..... that list is so impressive. I am still learning and it is quite interesting. I also feel good adding these articles in the format that Wikipedia wants, without breaking the software and code inside the articles. Your explaining things is so helpful. Thank you. Xender Lourdes (talk) 05:11, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the Barnstar: it's very kind of you. One of the things I've found here over the years is that you don't have to know how something works to be able to make it work. So we all take advantage of short-cuts like the dates routines. The thought that this is really a collaborative effort is one of the best things about WP. Kind regards. Johnlp (talk) 09:45, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- PS. I don't really do article reviewing: there are cricket editors such as User:Harrias who get involved with that kind of thing and maybe you could approach him, though I know he said he was rather busy currently. Johnlp (talk) 09:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. I will talk to User Harrias. Xender Lourdes (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- PS. I don't really do article reviewing: there are cricket editors such as User:Harrias who get involved with that kind of thing and maybe you could approach him, though I know he said he was rather busy currently. Johnlp (talk) 09:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
I notice you added a reference to S. Perera (Old Cambrians cricketer) (Janashakthi Book of Sri Lanka Cricket, 1832-1996). I don't have access to that book; are you able to say what it says about Perera? StAnselm (talk) 16:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello StAnselm. The book only gives a scorecard of a pre 1990 cricket match. I am not able to make a definite claim on that that the person listed is the same person. Therefore I would remove the same. I hope that is alright with you. Xender Lourdes (talk) 18:28, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Nice expansion work on the article, Xender. Thank you. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Lugnuts. I don't know if this matters but you were the person whose work introduced me to how to format Australian cricketers. I was creating some Spanish artists' articles and was seeing the new page review list when I saw your articles and decided to copy the format. Thank you for your unknown support. Xender Lourdes (talk) 10:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hello, Xender. Welcome to WP and pleased to see that you are helping us at WP:CRIC. I know you are aware of the controversy and, indeed, contention that this article has given rise to. The fundamental issue is still being debated, at both WT:CRIC and WT:NSPORTS. You are of course welcome to take part in those discussions if you wish.
- Given that opponents of the Perera article objected to the sparse information found in CricketArchive (CA) and ESPNcricinfo (CI), WP:CRIC decided to try and obtain extra source info direct from Sri Lanka. As far as I know, the only lead anyone had was a contact that I still have from my past membership of the Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians (ACS). This gentleman worked in Sri Lanka for a number of years at the turn of the century and he is very keen on its cricket. I contacted him to see if he could help and, unfortunately, we got our wires crossed about a limited edition handbook which the ACS published in 2005 and a new edition that is a work in progress. We cannot use works in progress as sources: they must be published. There was a needless and overheated argument about this issue, which should never have even become an issue as it was merely a question about the date of publication that needed an answer.
- That was a few weeks ago and I have not been active since then but, in the meantime, the question has been answered by my ACS contact. Although he was not a member of the ACS in 2005 when the handbook was published, he has been advised by another member that it was published, a limited edition as always. A new edition is proposed but no idea if or when that may be published too. Okay, so this is second- and even third-hand information but the ACS as an organisation is an impeccable source. As such, I believe we should use the information to improve the article but, of course, if someone should eventually discover that the information is incorrect, then we will amend it accordingly as we would any other article. I'm sure you appreciate that there is no difficulty there and that we can only work with what we believe to be correct.
- The published edition was called "Sri Lankan Cricketers" (ACS, 2005) and was complementary to other handbooks called "First-class cricket matches played in Sri Lanka" (this was published in 1987 when SL was still a new full ICC member) and an annual series called "Sri Lanka first-class matches in (ccyy)" which covered many years through the 1990s and 2000s. I'm told that the player handbook confirms Perera's name (Suresh) and date of birth (5 June 1970), plus the fact that he was an off spinner and other details as per CA and CI. It does not, however, say if he was RHB or LHB. I might add, given concerns expressed at the AfD about the reliability of CA and CI, that my ACS contacts have checked the scorecard information in CA and CI against their own versions and have verified it. Where CA and CI have evidently gone wrong on this occasion is that they think Perera is two players, given the seven-year gap between his two matches. They are not perfect, neither are we, but one shared mistake does not reduce their reputations or reliability. They are substantial sources who have for once got some detail incorrect, but fortunately the ACS information provides a fallback if we choose to use it.
- I think it is fair to say that you know a good deal more about Sri Lankan cricket than I do, so I am putting this evidence before you. If you think the article should be amended, given the ACS input which is admittedly third-hand, then please go ahead. If you think we should set it aside, then I will concur. It is a difficult point given the views of the article's opponents and I think we need to be in agreement ourselves. I should mention that the article needs to be renamed in any case and moved to, for example, Suresh Perera (cricketer, born 1970). That is to disambiguate him from the Test player of the same name.
- Take your time to think this over and if I can help you with anything in WP:CRIC or anything re the site as a whole, feel free to drop me a line. Thanks very much. All the best for 2016. Jack | talk page 08:16, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello Jack. Thank you for giving me the information written above. Let me put forward that I am a fresh editor here and do not feel confident of giving off an impression that tells otherwise. I saw the number of articles you and others have created on Wikipedia and also the years that you have been here. I am nothing compared to that. I surely do not have more knowledge about cricketers than you do. In fact I would have very less knowledge about the same. I am a singer not a sportsperson and I am doing my final studies in social sciences. The only reason I am interested in editing Australian cricketers' pages is because my close friend is Australian and he follows cricket. I edit when I have free time as I gain quite extraordinary learning from this place. And the people are really helpful here. I saw the Perera article while visiting the contributions page of an editor Johnlp who had helped me and guided me a lot a few days back. I will try to find out sources from my university library or from other places about the cricketer and try to help. But I cannot promise anything more. Thank you for writing to me. Sorry to disappoint you. Xender Lourdes (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
- Quite all right, Xender. You are very modest. I'm sure you will be a fine editor, though. If you need any help with anything about cricket coverage, just write to WT:CRIC or one of the members like John, Tintin or myself. Thanks very much. Jack | talk page 17:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
- I will do that. Thank you for the support extended. Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi, can you please expand the name of the first reference which now reads just "Rose, T. (2006)" Tintin 16:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Sí Mr. Tintin. I will do that. Xender Lourdes (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
- Merci Tintin 12:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Unknown batting hand
This is one of those little bugbears we unfortunately have because there are a couple of editors who insist on stating that the batting hand is unknown if the sources don't record it. One of them uses the phrase "unknown handedness". It is common among sources discussing early players that RHB/LHB is not given. I have an open mind on the point and am happy for it to be there or for it not to be there. I agree we will leave it out in Perera's case because the article is a bone of contention.
I hope you are enjoying CRIC. Keep up the good work. All the best. Jack | talk page 11:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello BlackJack. I am enjoying editing. Thanks for the note and for asking. On the point of the batting hand, please take the lead and edit it whichever way you think is correct. I just put my view and have no experience on what is correct. Xender Lourdes (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
- It's one of those cases where both methods are correct. On balance, I think I agree with your edit summary that what is unknown should be left out until it is known. :-) Jack | talk page 11:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)