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As you said the social status should be introduced in the first sentence, and the social status of Nairs were that of a martial nobility, that is mentioned. Sudra is the varna for slaves/labourers, most Nairs were untouchable to the higher(in caste system) Namboothiris however they were never slaves/labourers to any one. So for precisely your reason labeling them Sudra in the first line is misleading. I merely added that Ezhavas were Dalits in the first line because it made the most sense as a synonymous term to "progressive" which is not a very descriptive word. The whole thing can be moved from the first line of the article if people or an administrator agrees in the Ezhava article. [[User:B Nambiar|B Nambiar]] 10:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
As you said the social status should be introduced in the first sentence, and the social status of Nairs were that of a martial nobility, that is mentioned. Sudra is the varna for slaves/labourers, most Nairs were untouchable to the higher(in caste system) Namboothiris however they were never slaves/labourers to any one. So for precisely your reason labeling them Sudra in the first line is misleading. I merely added that Ezhavas were Dalits in the first line because it made the most sense as a synonymous term to "progressive" which is not a very descriptive word. The whole thing can be moved from the first line of the article if people or an administrator agrees in the Ezhava article. [[User:B Nambiar|B Nambiar]] 10:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
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I merely moved the sources you idiot I didn't revert the third time. [[User:B Nambiar|B Nambiar]] 11:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Welcome to wikipedia and Nair article changes.
First of all the fact that Nairs are Sudras in the Hindu caste system introduced by the Namboothiri Brahmins is mentioned in the article and does not need to be mentioned in the first line as it gives a misleading impression of the Nair profession historically, that is as people of Kerala know, the rulers and martial nobility. Some Nairs were elevated into kshatriya hood such as my own ancestor Chirakkal Nileshwaram Raja, known to our family as having taking the hiranyangarbha ceremony to be elevated into rightful Kshtariya status so Nairs are not all Sudras either(also Samanthan Kshatriyas are not Sudras and are Nairs). Nairs dominated Kerala in terms of influence in pre-Brahmin Kerala and less so to an extent post-Brahmin and then minimally after the Land Reforms Act. The article doesn't really have peacock terms as the Nairs did have a much stronger hold on Kerala than other high castes did in other states of India. The fact just so happens that Nairs had a glorious past. If there are peacock terms identify each one in the talk page and they shall be corrected. The Sudra mention in the first line I do not agree with as it is mentioned later in the article. I will remove this edit and if you have a problem we can take it up with an administrator. Also the article is of a good quality, better then the Ezhava article at least, and it does not need cleaning up, please discuss in the talk page before editing the main article, we are working to remove the uncited claims and POV.Cheers.B Nambiar 08:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
As you said the social status should be introduced in the first sentence, and the social status of Nairs were that of a martial nobility, that is mentioned. Sudra is the varna for slaves/labourers, most Nairs were untouchable to the higher(in caste system) Namboothiris however they were never slaves/labourers to any one. So for precisely your reason labeling them Sudra in the first line is misleading. I merely added that Ezhavas were Dalits in the first line because it made the most sense as a synonymous term to "progressive" which is not a very descriptive word. The whole thing can be moved from the first line of the article if people or an administrator agrees in the Ezhava article. B Nambiar 10:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I merely moved the sources you idiot I didn't revert the third time. B Nambiar 11:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)