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:::::NFCC is based on yet stricter than fair use, as it must be per the overarching resolution at [[wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy]], so the motivations are necessarily based on the (case) law regarding fair use. As I've said previously, everyone else seems to be of the opinion that it clearly does not violate the policies, but if you feel that the policies are ambiguous or otherwise need to be changed, go for it. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney#top|talk]]) 20:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC) |
:::::NFCC is based on yet stricter than fair use, as it must be per the overarching resolution at [[wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy]], so the motivations are necessarily based on the (case) law regarding fair use. As I've said previously, everyone else seems to be of the opinion that it clearly does not violate the policies, but if you feel that the policies are ambiguous or otherwise need to be changed, go for it. [[User:VernoWhitney|VernoWhitney]] ([[User talk:VernoWhitney#top|talk]]) 20:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC) |
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Hi, again. I am currently editing right now. I was just wondering if I should include storylines about the seven teams. e.g.:
- Amy and Dan Cahill: Amy and Dan Cahill (from Boston, USA) are the protago....................In the third book, they formed an alliance with The Kabras.
I was just asking if I should do that for I did the same thing on Mission, Fictional Non-Cahill, and Non-Fictional characters. e.g.:
- Theo Cotter: Theo Vale-Cotter (from Cairo, Egypt) is Hillary Vale's son. He is an archaeologist and Egyptologist who helped Amy and Dan Cahill recover the third Sakhet in the fourth book. However, he tried to steal it from them later with his aunt.
I would appreciate your reply.-- FDJoshua22 (talk)04:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
- You'll have to take this as just my opinion, since I've never actually written about fiction on a scale like this before. That said, I don't see a problem with including storylines in the character list you're working, although I do think most of the emphasis for storylines should be included in the character section for each individual novel (and it may very well be easier for you to do the work all in one place and then only the relevant tidbits are copied to each book's article). VernoWhitney (talk) 04:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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The Sewer Cover Barnstar
The Sewer Cover Barnstar | ||
You have been awarded the Sewer Cover Barnstar because you can read through anything. You don’t know the meaning of attention deficit disorder, laugh in the face of boredom, and are wasting your talents if you don’t become a patent examiner. |
Verno, thank you very much for toughing through the Sewer Cover Barnstar challenge. Thanks also for the kind words (I think that your page might very well be the most interesting essay, or whatever you want to call it, that I've come across on Wikipedia) you left on my talk page telling me of your accomplishment. You have rightfully earned your place as a member of a very exclusive club: those who have toughed out the challenge by wading through four entire articles of date-related trivia. This club is populated exclusively by those who can tough through abject boredom and prevail using nothing but shear willpower. Greg L (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Copyright violation
Hello! I added information about political issues on Adam Kokesh's wiki page that you recently deleted. I also added the photo of him. I have permission from Adam Kokesh to add any information about him (within Wikipedia guidelines of course). Additionally, he was one who gave me the photo to use. Given this information, my additions are not copyright violations because the owner of the reworded information gave me permission.Libertybrewcity (talk) 02:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, we can't simply take you at your word, we need somewhat more rigorous evidence. You should follow the steps at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials and send/forward an email in order to verify permission. Until your permission is verified, the material should remain removed as a copyright issue. The email should also include permission for the image, or it may also be removed as a copyright problem. Judging from the notice left by another editor about a copyright issue on Rand Paul, I recommend you follow the steps to document permission for all copyrighted content you may have previously uploaded. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. VernoWhitney (talk)
- Hey VernoWhitney, I received email permission from Adam Kokesh and his campaign. Will I receive an acceptance email response, or am I allowed to continue editing the page. I can forward you the email if you would like. Thank you.Libertybrewcity (talk) 00:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- You should forward the email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org and they will verify it and get back to you. VernoWhitney (talk) 01:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hey VernoWhitney, I received email permission from Adam Kokesh and his campaign. Will I receive an acceptance email response, or am I allowed to continue editing the page. I can forward you the email if you would like. Thank you.Libertybrewcity (talk) 00:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
OTRS pending tag
Re the OTRS pending tag - I see that the page is still blanked. How long should it take for the OTRS people to resolve this issue given that the required quthorisation has been submitted to them via email? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meeslow (talk • contribs) 11:13, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry about the delay; normally it would have already been unblanked but it just so happens that the three admins who usually handle the copyright permission work are all busy or on vacation at the moment. I'll remind someone else who has access to the email system that there's a backlog and see if they can stop by, but I'm afraid there may still be a delay, as there are still some outstanding permission issues going back to May 7th and your page was made on the 14th. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
about pietroporcinai.net
Hello dear wikipedia administrator,
I'm writing to you about the Pietro_Porcinai page, to be sure you can verify the ownersip of the site-wikipedia page contents.
> whois pietroporcinai.net Administrative Contact:
Francesco Canessa (makevoid@gmail.com)
...etc...
that actually it's me, that's the email that I used to register my account on wikipedia, and I already sent an email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org:
Dear wikipedia support,
we, Francesco Canessa and Paola Porcinai (pporcinai@gmail.com), owners of the site http://pietroporcinai.net wish to donate the page text coming from http://pietroporcinai.net/pages/biography to wikipedia, for the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Porcinai with CC-BY-SA-3 license.
Thank you
Can you remove that ugly page?
Thank you,
Francesco —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.69.161 (talk) 18:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- Blankening sounds quite stupid since there already is an OTRS permission number for that web site OTRS#2007032510012681. The article on it.wiki is already credited. You en.wikipedians blind? Dunno. :P Sailko (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not blind, I'm merely aware that an OTRS ticket number is not a permission number. The it.wiki article is tagged as having permission, but it was not placed by an OTRS member, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take it at face value and asked an OTRS member to double-check it. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- I understand then... just make sure you will take care of tags later. sorry --Sailko (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- No problem. We will remove the tags as soon as we can. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- I understand then... just make sure you will take care of tags later. sorry --Sailko (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not blind, I'm merely aware that an OTRS ticket number is not a permission number. The it.wiki article is tagged as having permission, but it was not placed by an OTRS member, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take it at face value and asked an OTRS member to double-check it. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Bot development
Hi. I was wondering if you're set up for bot development and if I could help in any way. I haven't done any bot work yet, but I write templates and scripts locally on a mw:TurnKey MediaWiki (mw:Software bundles) running in VirtualBox. Flatscan (talk) 04:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- I apprciate the offer, but for now at least I think I'm good. I got some basic code running this evening to login and query via the mw:API, so once I add some error resolving code in I should be ready to start trials for tasks #1 and #2 by the end of next week. I haven't run my own wiki server in a couple of years, so if I need one for some more in-depth testing, I'll let you know. Thanks. VernoWhitney (talk) 04:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Tom Papania
I'm puzzled as to why you flag up the Tom Papania article as a copyright infringement when the website you say it's copied from clearly states, “Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Papania"”. — Hebrides (talk) 19:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Apparently it was too early for me this morning, my mistake. Thank you for catching it. I'll fix it now (and of course, tag it as G4 per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Papania). VernoWhitney (talk) 19:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) * (edit conflict) Hi. This one caught my eye and intrigued me enough that I had to take a look. :) Even though Verno may have missed the notice, it actually is a copyvio of our contributors, as the article was deleted following AfD. Without the history, we can't host the article. When I run into cases like this following WP:PROD, I simply restore the history, but after an AfD we can't do that without violating community consensus. It either needs to be speedily deleted via WP:CSD#G4 or, if the new version addresses the problems that led to deletion, the history needs to be restored. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
A triple thank you!!!
I wanted to acknowledge my appreciation for the way you handled my 2 article move screw-ups. I have moved several articles in the past using the old WP format where the "Move" tab is right there with the "Edit" tab. Because the new format doesn't have a "Move" tab, I improvised with 2 botched cut and paste jobs. Although I do my best to make all of my edits in good faith, many who post on my talk page do not seem to make that assumption. Of all of the people who have given me feedback on my talk page, you have been the most diplomatic and ultimately helpful. I'm comfortably back to using the old WP format with your instructions. I know there are "Barnstar Awards" that users can give to others, but I've never delved that deeply into WP. Whatever award a relatively novice user like me can give to you, I would like to acknowledge for you. IMO, you are an excellent ambassador for Wikipedia!!! Cheers, OccamzRazor (talk) 01:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- OK, I think I may have figured out how to post an award. Hopefully this works. OccamzRazor (talk) 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
The Special Barnstar | ||
For exceptional diplomacy and assistance of a novice who botched 2 attempted page moves. OccamzRazor (talk) 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC) |
- Thank you very much! I'm glad I could help out. If you ever have any questions or anything else I could help with, feel free to ask. VernoWhitney (talk) 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Patricia Brooks
Hi again. I have a question about Patricia Brooks, which you marked as clean at WP:Suspected copyright violations/2010-05-25. This rewrite looks like WP:Close paraphrasing to me, but I'm not sure. Would you take another look? Thanks. Flatscan (talk) 03:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- You're absolutely right. Apparently I just assumed that DGG actually cleaned it, although now that I think of it this isn't the first time I've seen that problem with his rewrites. I'll blank that article and go back and double-check SCV and see if I've done that elsewhere. Thanks for the catch! VernoWhitney (talk) 11:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- Current stubbified version contains no copyvio, and is adequately sourced for notability. Needs expansion, but that does not mean I have to do it personally. My general practice is to make the minimum rewrite to avoid blatant copyvio, and stop at that point. Sometimes I may miscalculate , as I seem to have done here. DGG ( talk ) 21:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if it came off like I was denigrating your work. I really do appreciate it when you take the time to clean an article like that, I was just in a rush to get ready for a trip to the relatives this past weekend and wasn't thinking of how others could take my meaning. We all make mistakes with copyright work (especially paraphrasing), which is why it's good that there's more than one person looking at each article. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- Current stubbified version contains no copyvio, and is adequately sourced for notability. Needs expansion, but that does not mean I have to do it personally. My general practice is to make the minimum rewrite to avoid blatant copyvio, and stop at that point. Sometimes I may miscalculate , as I seem to have done here. DGG ( talk ) 21:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I did some formatting cleanup. Once I get more confident, I'll do more work (blanking or stubbing) on my own. Flatscan (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Re:File:LazerBrody.png
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x3 + Thanks :o) Redthoreau -- (talk) 06:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Closing discussion of File:Portal2-testchamber.jpg at WP:NFR
I noticed you closed the discussion of File:Portal2-testchamber.jpg, etc. at WP:NFR (the closing of which, by the way, I agree with). However, I noticed that when you closed the discussion you didn't replace the {{Non-free review}} template that are on the image pages with {{Non-free reviewed}}, as mentioned in the WP:NFR header. I am curious, is there a reason you did not do this? —RP88 (talk) 18:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- I got distracted by work and forgot. Fixing that now. Thanks for the reminder. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- And thanks for fixing the links. I didn't realize that those weren't automatically linked. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- No problem, you're the one doing all the hard work. From what I've seen being a Wikipedia Admin would try the patience of a saint. —RP88 (talk) 19:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm flattered, but I suppose I should point at that I'm not an admin. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- Oops, sorry about that. I misread the "This user is not a Admin" userbox on your user page, somehow overlooking the not. —RP88 (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- No worries. It's the first time I've been mistaken for an admin by a regular, so I got a kick out of it. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- Oops, sorry about that. I misread the "This user is not a Admin" userbox on your user page, somehow overlooking the not. —RP88 (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm flattered, but I suppose I should point at that I'm not an admin. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- No problem, you're the one doing all the hard work. From what I've seen being a Wikipedia Admin would try the patience of a saint. —RP88 (talk) 19:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- And thanks for fixing the links. I didn't realize that those weren't automatically linked. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
He has picked up the stick again and unclosed the discussion. 81.149.171.5 (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. Let's try this one again. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't close discussions you are involved in, and the fact your last response suggests you don't understand what I'm saying doesn't help either.--Vaypertrail (talk) 19:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- If there was any hint that consensus wasn't formed I wouldn't have. Don't forum shop everywhere when every single other editor involved disagrees with you and you've been repeatedly told why. The answer's not going to change. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
You still don't understand, the agreement between the publisher and author does matter as the original source of the image is the publisher. If I pay Warner Bros. $50,000 for exclusive prerelease movie screens to place on my website to attract visitors, the last thing I expect is Wikipedia to copy them onto their website days later. And putting an image through IFD then NFR isn't forum shopping.--Vaypertrail (talk) 20:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- If you don't expect that then you don't understand fair use. The original source is the copyright holder, it can not be otherwise in this situation. And putting it through IFD, three editors and NFR all for the same argument is. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- +2 failed attempts to speedy the images. Rehevkor ✉ 20:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ah yes, forgot those. Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- +2 failed attempts to speedy the images. Rehevkor ✉ 20:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- The three editors got involved themselves, I didn't go asking them. Tagging images for speedy deletion is not forum shopping, read WP:FORUMSHOP again. If this acceptable under fair use, how about removing "Respect for commercial opportunities." from WP:NFC then?--Vaypertrail (talk) 20:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not going to argue forum shopping with you if don't see it, but I will address your other point. If copying of commercial content was entirely unacceptable then we would have no fair use and we may as well just use commons for all of the images (which I imagine would sit well with User:Hammersoft, but that's beside the point). WP:NFCC#2 (in conjunction with WP:NFCC#3) is intended to, for example, prevent someone from uploading a photo which is otherwise being sold commercially (as with a press photo, or an artistic photograph) in sufficient quality to reduce the copyright holder's income. See Fair use#Effect upon work's value. If you feel that the policy needs revamping, feel free to head on over to WT:NFC and propose the change and we can file an RfC and really get some community input on it. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- I thought it clearly violated your own policies, I wasn't expecting to get in a fully fledged fair use legality debate.--Vaypertrail (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- NFCC is based on yet stricter than fair use, as it must be per the overarching resolution at wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy, so the motivations are necessarily based on the (case) law regarding fair use. As I've said previously, everyone else seems to be of the opinion that it clearly does not violate the policies, but if you feel that the policies are ambiguous or otherwise need to be changed, go for it. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- I thought it clearly violated your own policies, I wasn't expecting to get in a fully fledged fair use legality debate.--Vaypertrail (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not going to argue forum shopping with you if don't see it, but I will address your other point. If copying of commercial content was entirely unacceptable then we would have no fair use and we may as well just use commons for all of the images (which I imagine would sit well with User:Hammersoft, but that's beside the point). WP:NFCC#2 (in conjunction with WP:NFCC#3) is intended to, for example, prevent someone from uploading a photo which is otherwise being sold commercially (as with a press photo, or an artistic photograph) in sufficient quality to reduce the copyright holder's income. See Fair use#Effect upon work's value. If you feel that the policy needs revamping, feel free to head on over to WT:NFC and propose the change and we can file an RfC and really get some community input on it. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- The three editors got involved themselves, I didn't go asking them. Tagging images for speedy deletion is not forum shopping, read WP:FORUMSHOP again. If this acceptable under fair use, how about removing "Respect for commercial opportunities." from WP:NFC then?--Vaypertrail (talk) 20:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Because I felt like it. —RP88 (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
George Poe
Can you make the changes that you are suggesting at the article to the cite format so that it links to the image of the article? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- OK, so sadly I discovered that it's more complicated than just substituting the template. What I ended up doing was just copying the citation that {{cite news}} generates and manually re-adding the wikilinks where appropriate. Kind of a pain, but I'm willing to help out and convert more citations like this if you'd like. Since the references shouldn't change very often, the ease of updating the citations doesn't really matter. I'm still fiddling with the template to see if it will let me somehow sneak a [[File:]] link into the url. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- Aha! I found a better way - just ignore the url= parameter and then set title=[[:Image:Poe_1908May29.gif|Smother Small Dog To See it Revived. Successful Demonstration of an Artificial Respiration Machine Cheered in Brooklyn. Women in the Audience, But Most of Those Present Were Physicians. The Dog, Gathered in from the Street, Wagged Its Tail.]] VernoWhitney (talk) 21:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- And User:RP88 beat me to fixing the article. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
- Aha! I found a better way - just ignore the url= parameter and then set title=[[:Image:Poe_1908May29.gif|Smother Small Dog To See it Revived. Successful Demonstration of an Artificial Respiration Machine Cheered in Brooklyn. Women in the Audience, But Most of Those Present Were Physicians. The Dog, Gathered in from the Street, Wagged Its Tail.]] VernoWhitney (talk) 21:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Help
hi you were helpful on my NHCAN page even though it was deleted you were still helpful! So I figure you would be the person to go to for this.I posted the start of an article and it got deleted. So I am trying to get it set up off line so it is more factual. Using an online paper and gov documents ect to show it is history in the making. it meets all the criteria of A Government watch dog group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Government_watchdog_groups_in_the_United_States. It is coming along fine and I have alot of proof ect...which is what I was told was wrong with the article. But as I am trying to be a good wiki adder, I just notice that external links are not good. So the question is, are news articles and government doc's include in that? if so how do I post the referring info? (format?) And also is there a place to create the article before it is up for review so I can make sure that the format I am using is working?? I don't want to put it up only to be bit by a delete brownie point editor. Thank you for your patience and help. --Happypixie (talk) 02:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, so the first thing to remember (and the reason I noticed the article before), is that you can't use previously published work unless the copyright has been donated by following the steps in Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Now, assuming that's out of the way: the reason it was deleted last time was because there was no indication of notability. In particular, what you should be looking for is Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), which lays out the guidelines of what an article should have to show that the organization is notable. I've started a very short draft article in your userspace where you can work on the article and get it established without worrying about it being deleted at User:Happypixie/NHCAN (New Haven Citizens Action Network). Hopefully that works for you. I'll keep an eye on it, but if you have any further questions, feel free to ask. VernoWhitney (talk) 03:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
THANK YOU!!!! big hugs! I will transfer what I have, over tomorrow. --Happypixie (talk) 03:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Please cease your harrassing of productive editors
Please dont furhter harrass productive editors who have already been attacked by gangs of ill meaning socks and their enablers, as you have just tried to do with editor RAN. FeydHuxtable (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Please don't assume I'm harassing productive editors when I point out a legitimate area of concern that I feel needs exploration away from the drama and partisanship of FfD. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Trigger-happy much? VernoWhitney (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- I would second FeydHuxtable's concerns. On the face of it, it looks like harassment will result, whatever the intentions. At a minimum the timing is unfortunate. I see the argument that this time it's different, but does every editor now pile on and haul Richard Arthur Norton into a forum of their choosing to try to resolve this once and for all? - Wikidemon (talk) 14:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- I appreciate that the timing may be unfortunate, but as I said on his talk page I feel that I was obligated to make a record of it in an appropriate place under our copyright policy. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, and I posted to WP:CCI so that "cool headed experienced administrators" could decide how to handle it. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- So you're saying that you realize it's unfortunate but you're doing it anyway. That's more or less the definition of "intentional", and harassment is the result. - Wikidemon (talk) 14:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- If you want to word it that way, yes, my attempt to properly enforce the copyright policy is intentional, but I'm sorry if people use it as an excuse for further harassment. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- The report itself accomplishes harassment and is of questionable propriety. Content policy basis is not the issue here. This editor has been subjected to dozens of bad faith deletion nominations in the past several days, including repeated nominations from stalkers and sockpuppets. When you add yet another report, it doesn't mitigate the vexation to say that you regret the result. - Wikidemon (talk) 14:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Feel free to stop repeating yourself about stalkers and sockpuppets, unless you are intending to insinuate that I am one or the other. As far as vexation goes, I'm not quite sure what to tell you if you find copyright irritating. As far as the report itself being harassment, If you feel that way then I'm afraid that's the way it goes. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Huh? That makes no sense at all. Could you please address my points instead of making up silly rhetorical accusations? Your report seems inappropriate and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it, vis-a-vis whether or not it should be speedily closed. - Wikidemon (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, let's see:
- You said "The report itself accomplishes harassment and is of questionable propriety." I said "As far as the report itself being harassment, If you feel that way then I'm afraid that's the way it goes." Looking at wikt:harassment, yes, it is an additional "criticism" if you will, but it was not intended to pester or annoy, so depending on your interpretation I can see how you could consider it harassment. I felt obligated to do so, however, in line with policy which is based on legality and which I feel is an issue regardless of whatever other drama has been unfolding.
- You said "This editor has been subjected to dozens of bad faith deletion nominations in the past several days, including repeated nominations from stalkers and sockpuppets" (after a similar statement here). I said "Feel free to stop repeating yourself about stalkers and sockpuppets, unless you are intending to insinuate that I am one or the other." The repeated mention of them in conversations involving my actions is beginning to seem to me like an attempt to associate me with them, which I do not appreciate. I do note that FeydHuxtable began the conversation that way, so maybe you were merely repeating their sentiments, but it is unwelcome no matter the reason.
- You said "When you add yet another report, it doesn't mitigate the vexation to say that you regret the result." I said "As far as vexation goes, I'm not quite sure what to tell you if you find copyright irritating." I suppose I was interpreting vexation as simply the emotional response to being irritated at something, and I've already explained why I felt it should be done despite the (apparently inevitable) reactions. If you were instead using vexation as a synonym for the act of harassment then my same response applies as above; while annoying it appears to me to have been necessary.
- Does that help to clarify my response? VernoWhitney (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, let's see:
- Huh? That makes no sense at all. Could you please address my points instead of making up silly rhetorical accusations? Your report seems inappropriate and I'm trying to get to the bottom of it, vis-a-vis whether or not it should be speedily closed. - Wikidemon (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Feel free to stop repeating yourself about stalkers and sockpuppets, unless you are intending to insinuate that I am one or the other. As far as vexation goes, I'm not quite sure what to tell you if you find copyright irritating. As far as the report itself being harassment, If you feel that way then I'm afraid that's the way it goes. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- The report itself accomplishes harassment and is of questionable propriety. Content policy basis is not the issue here. This editor has been subjected to dozens of bad faith deletion nominations in the past several days, including repeated nominations from stalkers and sockpuppets. When you add yet another report, it doesn't mitigate the vexation to say that you regret the result. - Wikidemon (talk) 14:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- If you want to word it that way, yes, my attempt to properly enforce the copyright policy is intentional, but I'm sorry if people use it as an excuse for further harassment. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- So you're saying that you realize it's unfortunate but you're doing it anyway. That's more or less the definition of "intentional", and harassment is the result. - Wikidemon (talk) 14:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)